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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Mister E on June 05, 2011, 10:22:35 AM
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In today's Sunday Times, the poisonous Liddle makes yet more disparaging remarks about our club - all done weaved within the sort of rampant speculation that's been evidernt on here during the past week or so.
"the man on a white charger racing towards Villa Park might be Steve McClaren, with his gelaming new teeth and sudden acquisition of a Brummie accent. The Villa faithful may cleave to the hope that it might be Carlo Ancelotti but I cannot see why he would want to go there.
"As things stand, you would not bet on Villa finsihing higher than Fulham next season, whoever ends up in charge; they still look oddly uncompelling and there are likely to be more notable dpeartures from the club this summer than arrivals. If Martin O'Neill can't hoist them into the top four, who can?"
I don't mind people having a view on the Villa - blimey, I'm hardly in a position to sensor anything! nor would I want to - but he seems to trot out his snidey, insidious stuff every week, feeding the careworn myths about MON and using all the belittling tools and undermining drivel employed by DOL in his 'prime'.
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It seems to have escaped his attention that despite MON's heroics at Villa, he STILL hasn't managed to find gainful employment and only seems to be linked to, for want of a better word, shit vacancies.
My guess: 3 and a half feet.
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The problem is, he is not likely to be proved wrong. Since MON joined, indeed departed, the top 4, even 5 or 6 now, have pulled further away from the rest (Thanks in part to MON himself).
Could always point out to Liddle the distinct lack of top clubs fighting over his services.
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I will cry when MON is put in charge of any of the sky teams and is rubbing shoulders with Europe's elite or he actually gets anther job in the PL and makes them into Barca till than I am OK.
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He contradicts himself by saying the job is oddly uncompelling but then goes on to hero worship o'neill, for whom the job was plenty compelling.
If I'd known we'd have to spend the following years being told we were never worthy if him I would never have wanted MON in the first place.
As for that stuff about fulham, it is beyond ridicule.
Liddle really is a witless bell end.
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Rod Liddle is a knob but he's only articulating a widely held view. The manner of his departure has clouded our views but until we get a manger who can improve on what MON did it will be the accepted wisdom.
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Rod Liddle is a knob but he's only articulating a widely held view.
So who are these opinion formers?
Ah, that'll be Rod Liddle and his mates.
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Rod Liddle is a knob but he's only articulating a widely held view. The manner of his departure has clouded our views but until we get a manger who can improve on what MON did it will be the accepted wisdom.
I agree - I have had several conversations with people up here who have the misconception that MON was a version of the Second Coming.
The irritating bit is that RL seems to devote a part of his column every week to Villa-bashing. Which is a little odd coming from a Millwall fan ... unless it's simply an obsession about the colours we wear.
I suppose snidey-ness is the new "insightful journalism" of our age.
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Can fool all of the people some of the time.....
I wonder if MON himself has come to recognise his limitations and that, at best, he is no more than the thinking mans Sam Allardyce.
Perhaps that's why he is taking his time, he has got to pick a club where he has a good chance of improving the team, and the expectations are not too high, otherwise he is going to be found out.
Purely my opinion of course.
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Two pints of lager has'nt been the same since he left.
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A decent journalist would find out the truth about why MON really left and write a decent article.
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Rod Liddle is part of the metropolitan, middle class media set who love to lecture us on morals and society, yet go behind their wife's backs, shaggin anything they can.
They have no clue about our club and consequently have lazy, ill informed opinions and can f**k off as far as i am concerned.
He is also a Millwall fan - maybe he should look at his own club (and there's plenty to look at there!) before criticising others.
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Not too far because his Rod is Liddle.
Twat.
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A decent journalist would find out the truth about why MON really left and write a decent article.
this...
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
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A decent journalist would find out the truth about why MON really left and write a decent article.
I don't think it's that easy or straightforward. For starters, how many people other than Villa/MON fans are interested in why he left? It could be good space filler if it's some kind of wonderful conspiracy theory.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
No, it's because he's another of the metroplitan media pack who can't understand how their mate could be dumped by ungrateful Aston Villa.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
No, it's because he's another of the metroplitan media pack who can't understand how their mate could be dumped by ungrateful Aston Villa.
Lovejoy is just living up to his namesake.
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"If Martin O'Neill can't hoist them into the top four, who can"
A better manager than Martin O'Neill perhaps? Ancelotti maybe. Benitez possibly.
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"If Martin O'Neill can't hoist them into the top four, who can"
A better manager than Martin O'Neill perhaps? Ancelotti maybe. Benitez possibly.
We just cannot compete with a club like Fulham though, whose manager has just walked out, who have no money to spend and a hundred games in pre-European qualification to cope with. Just tell me how we're meant to compete with that Risso, without O'Neill! Hmmm?!
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I know, I'm sorry. If I was Lerner, I'd just dissolve the company, sell the ground for redevelopment and we can all go and support somebody else. After having a giant of a man like O'Neill in charge, everything else just feels so flat.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
No, it's because he's another of the metroplitan media pack who can't understand how their mate could be dumped by ungrateful Aston Villa.
It's a bit of both really. The stuff about 'If O'Neill can't get them top 4 then who can?' is patently bollocks. Aside from the fact that there are plenty of better managers than O'Neill around, it was all he could do to get us top 6.
But the bit about Ancelotti not wanting to come here has already been articulated on H&V by some.
As for not betting on Villa finishing above Fulham, well I'm not a betting man and while we don't know who'll be in charge of either I wouldn't like to say. As things stand, I think Villa are a more attractive club than Fulham so should attract the better manager. Against that they do have European football to offer and it's still possible we can make a bad appointment.
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I think starting the season in three weeks will put people off Fulham.
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I think starting the season in three weeks will put people off Fulham.
Players yes; I doubt it would put off a manager who is currently out of work.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
(http://thefacepalmfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/026-godzilla.jpg)
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
No, it's because he's another of the metroplitan media pack who can't understand how their mate could be dumped by ungrateful Aston Villa.
It's a bit of both really. The stuff about 'If O'Neill can't get them top 4 then who can?' is patently bollocks. Aside from the fact that there are plenty of better managers than O'Neill around, it was all he could do to get us top 6.
But the bit about Ancelotti not wanting to come here has already been articulated on H&V by some.
As for not betting on Villa finishing above Fulham, well I'm not a betting man and while we don't know who'll be in charge of either I wouldn't like to say. As things stand, I think Villa are a more attractive club than Fulham so should attract the better manager. Against that they do have European football to offer and it's still possible we can make a bad appointment.
Agree.
The only bit of the article i strongly disagree with is the suggestion that no one could get us in the top 4. Moyes and Ancelotti might, Hughes would have a sliver of a chance. It's up to the club to prove the likes of him wrong on the general outlook he has of the Villa. The Bent signing was a step forward but more has to be done.
The McClaren comment was actually quite amusing.
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Ok, everyone take a second to think: which poster on this site knows *least* about the game of football?
Right...
Now I promise you, that useless, witless, trolling imbecile knows more about Villa and the game of football than Rod Liddle will ever know.
He is a middle-class impostor who is just winging it.
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Ok, everyone take a second to think: which poster on this site knows *least* about the game of football?
Right...
Now I promise you, that Lovejoy knows more about Villa and the game of football than Rod Liddle will ever know.
He is a middle-class impostor who is just winging it.
Agreed.
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I know we get wound up by the likes of Brazil, Savage, Tyldesley, Holt etc, but when we get upset at a newspaper journalist with no obvious football ties (and has held previous racist views), I think we can give Liddle's views the treatment it deserves.
Not all views about us are equal, and not all are worth getting apo over.
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I file him alongside Littlejohn, Clarkson, Laurie Penny, Alan Green; people in the media who hold views just in order to get a reaction.
Best ignored. Read the travel section.
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I file him alongside Littlejohn, Clarkson, Laurie Penny, Alan Green; people in the media who hold views just in order to get a reaction.
Best ignored. Read the travel section.
What, and buy the nob a one way ticket to Bangkok ?
The man's a fucking clown - and re.MON, he took us as far as he could, and he (MON) knew it.
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I would ignore Laurie Penny but sadly there is no travel section in the New Statesman. Maybe I'll have a go at the crossie.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
Or maybe we've a little pride in our club?
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Reminds me of Animal House:
"He can't do that to our pledges!"
"Only we can do that to our pledges!"
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
Or maybe we've a little pride in our club?
And we've more reason to than any other club in this land.
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Does anyone have a link to the article?
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How far is he up O'Neill's arse?
So far up that all he can see is Patrick Barclay's (Times) feet.
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Does anyone have a link to the article?
Fortunately The Times is behind a pay wall these days
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Does anyone have a link to the article?
Fortunately The Times is behind a pay wall these days
Built to keep Rod Liddle in, no doubt.
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I've added a poll.
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MON is good manager but not a great manager. He is not the Brian Clough of 2000.
I would like to line up all the football and celebrity media journalists, and Fifa officials and some referees in a big ship and then it can sink in middle of Atlantic ocean to an area a full of sharks.
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Never ceases to amaze me how a manager whose record with Leicester is perhaps most comparable with the likes of Allardyce at Bolton and McLaren at Boro, whose record in Scotland is little or no better than those of McNeill, Walter Smith and Strachan, and whose best at Villa was not as good as Moyes's with Everton, is somehow regarded by large sections of the English media as Cloughie mk II.
There are several good reasons why no top club has come in for O'Neill, it's mainly because they know he isn't anywhere near as good as he or his cronies think he is.
Ignore and file under lazy ill-informed journalism.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
(http://thefacepalmfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/026-godzilla.jpg)
I honestly don't understand what this means.
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Martin O'Neill is a bloody good manager, however what he did to us was unforgiveable, he left at a time to do maximum damage having done sod all in the transfer market and knowing nobody else would have time to do anything.
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"If Martin O'Neill can't hoist them into the top four, who can"
At a guess, Graham Taylor, Ron Atkinson and Brian Little, plus of course Ron Saunders. Not to mention Tony Barton whose two pieces of silverware were each worth more than any number of 4th place league finishes.
Our problem is that for each manager that has got us into the 'top 4' and/or won silverware, there has been another who has done little more than thrash the bank balance in the name of mediocrity, and we have now had more than a decade of that.
O'Neill is not a member of the first group. His achievements sit more readily alongside those of Gregory and O'Leary.
Either way, the argument will soon be settled when Liverpool and Chelsea settle their tug of war for O'Neil's services and he takes one or the other to a level that has always been beyond Aston Villa.
I bet Ferguson and Wenger were glad they had a certain amount of kudos in the bank when O'Neil suddenly opted to put himself on the job market.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
(http://thefacepalmfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/026-godzilla.jpg)
I honestly don't understand what this means.
(http://thefacepalmfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/064-godzilla.jpg)
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I file him alongside Littlejohn, Clarkson, Laurie Penny, Alan Green; people in the media who hold views just in order to get a reaction.
Best ignored. Read the travel section.
Absolutely, Damon.
It was really just the bit about "if not MON, then no-one". It's precisely because MON didn't get us into the top four with the money he spunked that commentators should be revisiting the assertion that he is in the same league as Clough and Ferguson (as some of them seem to think).
But I suppose I'm attributing these Sunday broadsheet writers with some level of intelligence, whereas they are they - as you said - merely to provoke responses. I know I should know betrer.
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This is a clip for RTE Sport from a few years ago when Liddle wrote a particurly nasty artice about Roy Keane (who has since become one of his favourite people along with MON for some reason). Skip to 8.12 to listen to what Eamon Dunphy thinks of Liddle :)
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Read the marriage section of Rod Liddle's wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Liddle
Judgement doesn't seem to be his strong point. I would take anything he says with a shovel of salt.
His political views are also quite special to say the least. Member of the labour party with right wing views in all the wrong places - bell end.
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Serious question - which manager would be able to get us top 4 at the moment? Listing managers who did it years ago when the top4 wasn't such a closed shop and many teams flitted in and out is clearly not comparible today with money bags teams at the top. MON with all Randy's money behind him couldn't quite crack it - with less investment its difficult to see us doing it again in the short term. in my opinion of course.
Cue another picture of Godzilla from mazrim to add to the debate.
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In today's Sunday Times, the poisonous Liddle makes yet more disparaging remarks about our club - all done weaved within the sort of rampant speculation that's been evidernt on here during the past week or so.
"the man on a white charger racing towards Villa Park might be Steve McClaren, with his gelaming new teeth and sudden acquisition of a Brummie accent. The Villa faithful may cleave to the hope that it might be Carlo Ancelotti but I cannot see why he would want to go there.
"As things stand, you would not bet on Villa finsihing higher than Fulham next season, whoever ends up in charge; they still look oddly uncompelling and there are likely to be more notable dpeartures from the club this summer than arrivals. If Martin O'Neill can't hoist them into the top four, who can?"
I don't mind people having a view on the Villa - blimey, I'm hardly in a position to sensor anything! nor would I want to - but he seems to trot out his snidey, insidious stuff every week, feeding the careworn myths about MON and using all the belittling tools and undermining drivel employed by DOL in his 'prime'.
The article reads somewhat different when you add in the opening paragraph where he talks about how Randy Lerner isn't the kind of Chairman to touch a "disloyal" manager like Mark Hughes with a bargepole and the beginning of the sentence that you missed from your quote where he says "And the terrible thought is that the man on a white charger racing toward Villa Park might be Steve McClaren...
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Rod should start his own MON fan club give pictures of both of them sharing an intimate moment together saying love always.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
Rod Liddle? Thought provoking and interesting. Fuck me.
You could argue he is right in this case (indeed I don't see us finishing in the top four any time soon) but thought provoking and interesting? The man is the journalistic equivalent of Mrs Overall. It is reactions he tries to provoke
rather than thoughts. He contradicts himself too. I remember him criticising O'Neill not so long ago. Indeed I recall people on here were cross about that too.
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Read the marriage section of Rod Liddle's wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Liddle
Judgement doesn't seem to be his strong point. I would take anything he says with a shovel of salt.
His political views are also quite special to say the least. Member of the labour party with right wing views in all the wrong places - bell end.
Associate editor of The Spectator, which is cased closed as far as I'm concerned. Collectively the biggest bunch of bellends I've ever had the misfortune to work with.
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A decent journalist would find out the truth about why MON really left and write a decent article.
It surprises me that I've seen no article with an angle that even vaguely sides with Villa/Randy over O'Neill's departure. One of them mentioned the wage bill on Sunday Supplement once, and was shouted down by that prick Holt. I thought Neil Moxley of the Daily Mail might have written an objective piece, he was never much of a MON fan, but if he has I haven't seen it.
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A decent journalist would find out the truth about why MON really left and write a decent article.
It surprises me that I've seen no article with an angle that even vaguely sides with Villa/Randy over O'Neill's departure. One of them mentioned the wage bill on Sunday Supplement once, and was shouted down by that prick Holt. I thought Neil Moxley of the Daily Mail might have written an objective piece, he was never much of a MON fan, but if he has I haven't seen it.
For the last 6 months or so, Moxley seems unable to write anything re AVFC which isn't sneering and contemptuous. A real about turn, as he wasn't previously that way.
re journos siding with the club, I remember (the excellent) Phil McNulty at the BBC being at least a bit balanced.
Holt is unbelievable. I understand it is possible to lie on the other side of the divide on the issue re MON, but he is pathologically unable to detach himself from his worship of the bloke. He was tweeting the other day that "surely all Villa fans would have MON back if they could" - I bet it never crossed his tiny mind that maybe, regardless of what we though of him before he left, a good many of us were sufficiently fucked off by the manner of his departure to not feel that way.
If this is what it's like for us having had MON leave us, and in circumstances which didn't reflect very well on him, even, then can you even begin to imagine what it would ever have been like had we sacked him?
oh, and one more think re Rod Liddle. When we signed Bent, I remember him being apoplectic with rage that we'd somehow single handedly invented the concept of attracting footballers to play for us by offering them a lot of money, but also ranting about how Sunderland were every bit as big a club as us, and it was a step down now, as Sunderland would be playing in Europe and we were fighting relegation.
Well, looking at the table, it didn't turn out quite that way. I get the impression that a lot of the stick we took over Bent was about the fact that, having told us that MON left because Randy slammed the brakes on the spending, he'd inconveniently gone and spent 25-30m or so in the January window, leaving them all looking like absolute mugs.
Liddle is just moving down a sliding scale of clubs to suggest are as good as us. First Sunderland, now Fulham. If they hadn't gone down, I reckon he'd have run with one of those "the balance of power is shifting in the second city" bullshit articles about Small Heath over the summer.
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Did anyone read Liddle's article in the main body of the Sunday Times about FIFA freeloaders geting free access to Olympic tickets? How they will arrive in London, be wined and dined at five star hotels and be ferried to any Olympic event they want? It is a far more pointed and accurate article than his entry in the Sports section which has aroused passion in some Villa supporters. It seems he is allowed to criticise many sporting things but when it gets a bit close to home he is a 'bell end'.
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Surrey villain read my post again he is a bell end for a whole host of reasons, and not just because he is having a go at Villa.
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Google 'Rod Liddle racist' then make your mind up.
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I don't take that much notice what so called 'football media experts' write in their papers anymore. Let's face it, what do they know about football that a lot on here don't?
Let's take Oliver Holt for example, he writes for the Daily Mirror. There's not that much more to be said really?
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In today's Sunday Times, the poisonous Liddle makes yet more disparaging remarks about our club - all done weaved within the sort of rampant speculation that's been evidernt on here during the past week or so.
"the man on a white charger racing towards Villa Park might be Steve McClaren, with his gelaming new teeth and sudden acquisition of a Brummie accent. The Villa faithful may cleave to the hope that it might be Carlo Ancelotti but I cannot see why he would want to go there.
"As things stand, you would not bet on Villa finsihing higher than Fulham next season, whoever ends up in charge; they still look oddly uncompelling and there are likely to be more notable dpeartures from the club this summer than arrivals. If Martin O'Neill can't hoist them into the top four, who can?"
I don't mind people having a view on the Villa - blimey, I'm hardly in a position to sensor anything! nor would I want to - but he seems to trot out his snidey, insidious stuff every week, feeding the careworn myths about MON and using all the belittling tools and undermining drivel employed by DOL in his 'prime'.
The article reads somewhat different when you add in the opening paragraph where he talks about how Randy Lerner isn't the kind of Chairman to touch a "disloyal" manager like Mark Hughes with a bargepole and the beginning of the sentence that you missed from your quote where he says "And the terrible thought is that the man on a white charger racing toward Villa Park might be Steve McClaren...
I don't think that my selection of quotes, VD, really changes the point I was making about Liddle's general antagonsim toward us (if News International weren't a subscription-only website, I'd have copied the whole article rather than type in the bits that were directly relevant to the point I was making). And your addition of other comments made by 'The Rod' adds nothing.
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I don't take that much notice what so called 'football media experts' write in their papers anymore. Let's face it, what do they know about football that a lot on here don't?
I reckon that's true about so many different things. You can read articles or watch TV shows about lots of things you don't really know much about and feel better informed and educated, and think the writer has a real insight. Then an article or show appears on a subject which you personally have experience of or know a lot about, and it's then you realise how wrong they've got it. I suppose that's how they get away with writing such shit - the majority of their audience/readership are usually not experts on each particular subject.
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I don't think that my selection of quotes, VD, really changes the point I was making about Liddle's general antagonsim toward us (if News International weren't a subscription-only website, I'd have copied the whole article rather than type in the bits that were directly relevant to the point I was making). And your addition of other comments made by 'The Rod' adds nothing.
" The man on a white charger racing towards Villa Park might be Steve McClaren, with his gelaming new teeth and sudden acquisition of a Brummie accent..."
"...One suspects that he had been led to believe that Aston Villa were waiting with their knickers already around their ankles, panting for the sudden arrival of Hughes on a white charger. But, as it turned out, Randy Lerner wouldn't touch Sparky (nice) with a barge pole. If he could do that to Fulham, the Villa chairman will have been thinking, what would he do to us?
And the terrible thought is that the man on a white charger racing towards Villa Park might be Steve McClaren, with his gleaming new teeth and sudden acquisition of a Brummie accent..."
I agree it doesn't change the point you were trying to make but I think it reads quite differently. It's not a big deal.
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Rod Liddle thinks he's an even pithier reincarnation of Samuel Johnson, when in fact he's a smug fool who's been trying to be contraversial since he got forced out of the BBC. He's a good example of the media eating itself and if he ever became aware of this 60+ comment thread devoted to his opinions, he'd wank himself into a coma.
I find his anti-Villa (or pro-O'Neill) bias bizarre but ultimately irrelevant.
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You can understand why MON appeals to certain sections of the press especially the broadsheet middle class hacks. The whole softly spoken persono he projects screams "i'm one of you" and obviously appeals to them more than the cliched ron-manager type. Not to mention the "he's practically a lawyer" myth. Fooled lots of people and fooled a lot on here. Even i was took in for a while until i started reading his written interviews in a Mick McCarthy voice and vice versa - Couldn't tell the difference - both the interviews and the style of football
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Let's take Oliver Holt for example, he writes for the Daily Mirror. There's not that much more to be said really?
Oh there is. He's a chubby faced, smarmy, clueless, whining, self important, arrogant, boring, childish, petty, sychophantic, retarded bastard spawn of Emily Bishop and should have been flushed down the shitter 30 seconds after he was conceived.
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You can understand why MON appeals to certain sections of the press especially the broadsheet middle class hacks. The whole softly spoken persono he projects screams "i'm one of you" and obviously appeals to them more than the cliched ron-manager type. Not to mention the "he's practically a lawyer" myth. Fooled lots of people and fooled a lot on here. Even i was took in for a while until i started reading his written interviews in a Mick McCarthy voice and vice versa - Couldn't tell the difference - both the interviews and the style of football
He's more Mike Bassett than Mick McCarthy, at least football wise. In fact whilst Mick is a blunt Yorkshireman who generally tells it as he sees it, Martin tends to speak in riddles. Maybe the press think he's deep and fail to realise he talks out of his arse. Still, good luck to him, it's worked for him until now.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
No, it's because he's another of the metroplitan media pack who can't understand how their mate could be dumped by ungrateful Aston Villa.
Dave, did we dump MON? Am out of the loop on a lot of stuff over here and have not heard or read an official version of the events of last summer. I thought the general concensus was that MON had walked...?
I'd love to know what actually happened between the Valencia friendly and the Monday evening when he resigned.
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I find his articles thought provoking and interesting. I think a lot of his comments hit the mark and frankly the negative reaction here is because often the truth hurts.
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You can understand why MON appeals to certain sections of the press especially the broadsheet middle class hacks. The whole softly spoken persono he projects screams "i'm one of you" and obviously appeals to them more than the cliched ron-manager type. Not to mention the "he's practically a lawyer" myth. Fooled lots of people and fooled a lot on here. Even i was took in for a while until i started reading his written interviews in a Mick McCarthy voice and vice versa - Couldn't tell the difference - both the interviews and the style of football
Spot on Greg.
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Let's take Oliver Holt for example, he writes for the Daily Mirror. There's not that much more to be said really?
Oh there is. He's a chubby faced, smarmy, clueless, whining, self important, arrogant, boring, childish, petty, sychophantic, retarded bastard spawn of Emily Bishop and should have been flushed down the shitter 30 seconds after he was conceived.
Not a fan, Maz?
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Not really mate, no.
The thought of uppercutting his head off into space is more appealing than it ought to be.
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You can understand why MON appeals to certain sections of the press especially the broadsheet middle class hacks. The whole softly spoken persono he projects screams "i'm one of you" and obviously appeals to them more than the cliched ron-manager type. Not to mention the "he's practically a lawyer" myth. Fooled lots of people and fooled a lot on here. Even i was took in for a while until i started reading his written interviews in a Mick McCarthy voice and vice versa - Couldn't tell the difference - both the interviews and the style of football
Spot on Greg.
Some people really need to find closure
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You can understand why MON appeals to certain sections of the press especially the broadsheet middle class hacks. The whole softly spoken persono he projects screams "i'm one of you" and obviously appeals to them more than the cliched ron-manager type. Not to mention the "he's practically a lawyer" myth. Fooled lots of people and fooled a lot on here. Even i was took in for a while until i started reading his written interviews in a Mick McCarthy voice and vice versa - Couldn't tell the difference - both the interviews and the style of football
Spot on Greg.
Some people really need to find closure
Closure has been made, but Greg's comments were spot on and worthy of note.
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You can understand why MON appeals to certain sections of the press especially the broadsheet middle class hacks. The whole softly spoken persono he projects screams "i'm one of you" and obviously appeals to them more than the cliched ron-manager type. Not to mention the "he's practically a lawyer" myth. Fooled lots of people and fooled a lot on here. Even i was took in for a while until i started reading his written interviews in a Mick McCarthy voice and vice versa - Couldn't tell the difference - both the interviews and the style of football
He's more Mike Bassett than Mick McCarthy, at least football wise. In fact whilst Mick is a blunt Yorkshireman who generally tells it as he sees it, Martin tends to speak in riddles. Maybe the press think he's deep and fail to realise he talks out of his arse. Still, good luck to him, it's worked for him until now.
Don't get me wrong, I find McCarthy quite entertaining. Its just the "hey oop, I'm training me whippets" accent which to some parts of the media equates to being a bit thick, just like the media stereotype of anyone with a brummie accent is a borderline retard. MON had a smooth way about him in interviews, with the long pauses, the nice accent and the rhetorical questions he threw in all over the place, but faced with the evidence of his tactics and style of football during his villa reign there's precious little evidence of genius at work.
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Gregg we are nearly 3 Villa managers away from O'Neill - when you gonna let it go.
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Gregg we are nearly 3 Villa managers away from O'Neill - when you gonna let it go.
Where as you, no doubt, don't care about him at all i'm guessing...
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Gregg we are nearly 3 Villa managers away from O'Neill - when you gonna let it go.
Why should he be expected to let it go when he is commenting on a thread about MON and Aston Villa? Why should anybody be expected to let it go when the media quite clearly aren't yet?
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Gregg we are nearly 3 Villa managers away from O'Neill - when you gonna let it go.
Why should he be expected to let it go when he is commenting on a thread about MON and Aston Villa? Why should anybody be expected to let it go when the media quite clearly aren't yet?
"The media" involvement in this thread consisted of one single sentence in a 1000 word 1/4 page article, in a full Sunday Times broadsheet sports supplement. Poor old Gnasher writes more about MON in a day on the forums than the entire British media machine does in a week.
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But the telling line in this article is "if MON can't get Villa into the top 4 then who can". The thread title is also about MON. If you want to write a thousand comments on that in this thread then why shouldn't you?
If the thread was entitled "What formation do you think Ancelotti would play at Villa" and he was banging on about MON all through it then fair enough.
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Gregg we are nearly 3 Villa managers away from O'Neill - when you gonna let it go.
Where as you, no doubt, don't care about him at all i'm guessing...
No I love him Gregg just like you do, which is why I understand your hurt - but you've got to move on mate
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Surrey villain read my post again he is a bell end for a whole host of reasons, and not just because he is having a go at Villa.
I read your entries in Heroes & Villains and take them on face value. I don't need (or want) to know your life story.
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Surrey villain read my post again he is a bell end for a whole host of reasons, and not just because he is having a go at Villa.
I read your entries in Heroes & Villains and take them on face value. I don't need (or want) to know your life story.
By which I mean I don't need to know anything else about you to enjoy what you have written (or not).
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It seems to have escaped his attention that despite MON's heroics at Villa, he STILL hasn't managed to find gainful employment and only seems to be linked to, for want of a better word, shit vacancies.
My guess: 3 and a half feet.
To be fair finding gainful employment was not really possible until his tribunal was resolved
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I think Greg does us all a service by continuing to highlight the malevolent effect Martin O'Neill is still having on our club.
Look at today's Daily Mirror, hold your nose and turn to pages 68 and 69 written by Oliver Holt. Read his comment about Darren Bent "Missed an absolute sitter which would have won the game. Did not work hard enough either. Goal hanger."
That's it. The razor sharp intellect of the man who has himself described as Britain's Best Football Journalist and Football Editor. Goal hanger. It's what little kids in the school playground call each other.
Holt has had a vendetta going against Darren Bent for months. Why? Because Randy stumped up the money for Gerard to buy him but would not stump up the money for Martin O'Neill to buy Roy Keane or any of the other rubbish playing in Scotland O'Neill had the hots for.
Holt also slags off Downing for missing a very difficult chance in the dying seconds and also James Milner who carries the Holt Mark of Cain that he has never played for Manchester United but did play for Villa.
Ashley Young is singled out for eulogies of praise because he is shortly no longer going to be a Villa player.
Greg is to be applauded for keeping these manipulative and mischievous journalists under the magnifying glass like e coli bacteria.
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Good post Brian.
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Surrey Villain:
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--- Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 05, 2011, 06:40:39 PM ---Surrey villain read my post again he is a bell end for a whole host of reasons, and not just because he is having a go at Villa.
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I read your entries in Heroes & Villains and take them on face value. I don't need (or want) to know your life story.
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By which I mean I don't need to know anything else about you to enjoy what you have written (or not).
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Well I base my opinion on Rod Liddle on what he has wrote across a range of articles and things I have read about him. In my job I have to read a wide range of media. I'm afraid based on what I have read and what I know of him Rod Liddle is odious however if you 'enjoy' reading it go for it. I understand he has some full length books you may wish to delve into too.
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WTF?
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Rod Liddle could write that we are the greatest club in the world and that he has supported us since he was a boy and I'd still think he was a c**t.
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I had a geriatric moment and wrote that O'Neill wanted to sign Roy Keane and got the wrong name. It was of course Roy Orbison he wanted. Got knocked back anyway because he wanted to play in black home and away and was in fact dead.
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Surrey Villain:
--- Quote from: Surrey Villain on Today at 02:05:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 05, 2011, 06:40:39 PM ---Surrey villain read my post again he is a bell end for a whole host of reasons, and not just because he is having a go at Villa.
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I read your entries in Heroes & Villains and take them on face value. I don't need (or want) to know your life story.
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By which I mean I don't need to know anything else about you to enjoy what you have written (or not).
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Well I base my opinion on Rod Liddle on what he has wrote across a range of articles and things I have read about him. In my job I have to read a wide range of media. I'm afraid based on what I have read and what I know of him Rod Liddle is odious however if you 'enjoy' reading it go for it. I understand he has some full length books you may wish to delve into too.
No thanks, I clearly don't read enough.
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Rod Liddle could write that we are the greatest club in the world and that he has supported us since he was a boy and I'd still think he was a c**t.
Fair enough. I just enjoy some of his articles in the Sunday Times like the one this week about FIFA.
Perhaps I should read the Mirror so I can join in the vitriol against Oliver Holt, but then again maybe not.
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I had a geriatric moment and wrote that O'Neill wanted to sign Roy Keane and got the wrong name. It was of course Roy Orbison he wanted. Got knocked back anyway because he wanted to play in black home and away and was in fact dead.
Teehee.
Sorry this has become a SurreyVillain bashing post; not intended.
We all have a view on these things - having bought the ST for years (not really sure why any more!) I've become tired of reading snidey half-truths dressed up as amusing and cutting-edge satire a la Mr Liddle.
That's all.
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Holt doesn't even dress his as satire. He is simply a grade A ******, who writes utter nonsense to fit the agenda of himself and his mates.
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Had the misfortune to catch that Godawful Hold the Backpage -or whatever the latest reincarnation is- on Sky a few weeks back. Mention of Villa briefly pricked my interest. Before the pricks sitting around the table killed it.
Paul Smith whose work (outside of suits) I've never actually been aware of before came across as a horrid, horrid coked up* individual. Rob Beasley -a Brummie- referred to Chelsea as we and us and Woolnonono held this chimps tea party together with his usual style and grace.
I'm largely indifferent to Liddle, for the reasons Damon outlined. Was it he or Barclay that said Martin O'Neill is too good for football? That's world class arse licking. Almost as good as Oliver Holt's "I've never really regarded Aston Villa as a big club. But by the time David O'Leary has finished with them they will be."
They've backed the wrong horse so many times they remind me of Eddie Mush in A Bronx Tale. They should be afforded similar respect.
*I'm referring to the caffine heavy soft drink, obv.