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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Louzie0 on May 15, 2011, 07:18:54 PM
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Think it's for real this time R5 7.15pm
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A disastrous appointment. Couldn't have gone worse.
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A disastrous appointment. Couldn't have gone worse.
I suppose that depends on your perspective ;)
I do seem to recall some people suggesting him as a Villa manager. Yikes!!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1387357/Avram-Grant-sacked-West-Ham.html
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Oh, I wasn't referring to Grant, I was talking about the owners ;)
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Still - he's now available. Watch the H&Mc Out! thread. Someone will like him.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/9484432.stm
The video isn't good watching for West Ham fans but it's funny at the end. I think it's Brady's kid giving it to mum in a fit of rage.
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The way he was treated he would have walked even if he had kept them up I reckon. But I suppose this way they have to splash out several precious mil to pay off his contract. I wonder what he did at Portsmouth that made them think he was the right man for the job. Just hope they make a better decision when appointing his replacement (from my perspective, not theirs)
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Inevitable.
I wonder who'll be the next to try and work under Sullivan/Gold/Brady? Say what you like about Grant, but they've treated him shabbily.
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Still - he's now available. Watch the H&Mc Out! thread. Someone will like him.
heh. True. People were seriously suggesting Big Sam a while back so Grant's sure to be top of the list
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/9484432.stm
The video isn't good watching for West Ham fans but it's funny at the end. I think it's Brady's kid giving it to mum in a fit of rage.
I think she is saying "Don't tread on David" and him raging back that he couldn't see that far down.
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Inevitable.
I wonder who'll be the next to try and work under Sullivan/Gold/Brady? Say what you like about Grant, but they've treated him shabbily.
They have. I feel sorry for him.
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Inevitable.
I wonder who'll be the next to try and work under Sullivan/Gold/Brady? Say what you like about Grant, but they've treated him shabbily.
Mcleish may be available after next sunday.
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Knees up mother brown www.kumb.com..crashed/died/pulled the plug..oh dear
No knees up tonight then!
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West Ham official site:
The club can confirm that Avram Grant is no longer the manager of West Ham United.
First-team coach Kevin Keen will take charge of the team for the final home match of the season against Sunderland on Sunday 22 May.
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An incredibly bad managerial appointment by Gollivan there.
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Can't believe he's quit, but he can't have been sacked as Sullivan and Gold never, ever, ever sack managers do they. How very noble of him to fall on his sword.
Hopefully now he can forget about management and go back to trying to put one over Danger Mouse and Penfold.
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Inevitable.
I wonder who'll be the next to try and work under Sullivan/Gold/Brady? Say what you like about Grant, but they've treated him shabbily.
Mcleish may be available after next sunday.
He's got to be hoping he gets fired as opposed to wanting to work for those dodgy owners. Wonder how strong the brand will be in China for a Championship team. With 46 league games and early starts in the cups, they'll be out of europe quickly too.
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still think MON will end up there unless Celtic come calling. lets face it, he's not going to get a better offer otherwise he' wouldn't still be out of a job 9 months after leaving us
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/9484432.stm
The video isn't good watching for West Ham fans but it's funny at the end. I think it's Brady's kid giving it to mum in a fit of rage.
I think she is saying "Don't tread on David" and him raging back that he couldn't see that far down.
That kid just looked horrified to see that moon-faced munter standing behind him
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Treated like a mug by Gollivan, they would have been down months ago if he'd have walked at that point. Maybe O'Leary will be enticed by the porn kings.
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still think MON will end up there unless Celtic come calling. lets face it, he's not going to get a better offer otherwise he' wouldn't still be out of a job 9 months after leaving us
MON's not going to West Ham greg. He'd rightly want and deserve a PL job.
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D I Ca Ni o will be their new boss.
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Neil Warnock after QPR fuck him off
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still think MON will end up there unless Celtic come calling. lets face it, he's not going to get a better offer otherwise he' wouldn't still be out of a job 9 months after leaving us
MON's not going to West Ham greg. He'd rightly want and deserve a PL job.
you say that but who? he's not going to get one of the top jobs, so that leaves.......blackburn? QPR?
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Neil Warnock after QPR fuck him off
Now there's an O'Neill job if ever there was one.
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General Discussion page still 'unavailable' on KUMB.
Not pleasant reading there I suspect.
There but for the grace etc..
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MON to QPR... Just down the road from High Wycombe.
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still think MON will end up there unless Celtic come calling. lets face it, he's not going to get a better offer otherwise he' wouldn't still be out of a job 9 months after leaving us
MON's not going to West Ham greg. He'd rightly want and deserve a PL job.
you say that but who? he's not going to get one of the top jobs, so that leaves.......blackburn? QPR?
something always comes up every season. Granted, I think the longer he leaves it the harder it's going to be, but you know there will be a team out there needing rebuilding at some point. If Moyes came to us, I bet there would be a decent chance he'd end up at Everton. Pardew isn't safe at Newcastle, so you just never know. The Celtic link will never go away off course so with them losing the title and the issues with Lennon he may just end up where he's loved.
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Bruce is looking increasingly unsteady at Sunderland...could be them or Newcastle that gets the benefit of O'Neill's wisdom.
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Page is back..must have been inundated with mourners posting.
Poyet, Hughton, Mclaren Allardyce suggestions for new Manager.
with O'Neill and Lambert as outsiders
Can't see MoN going there now.
Grant sacked in Tunnel before press interviews by Sullivan!?
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I do seem to recall some people suggesting him as a Villa manager. Yikes!!
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Grant did a good job at Pompey in very difficult circumstances. He got a team that went into administration to an FA Cup Final against all the odds, and kept them competetive in the league right to the end despite being forced to sell many of his best players in the January window.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/9484432.stm
The video isn't good watching for West Ham fans but it's funny at the end. I think it's Brady's kid giving it to mum in a fit of rage.
I think the poor lad's hacked off at having been made to go somewhere with his mom and worse still, made to wear a tie.
Listened to some of 6-0-6 tonight, and Alan Green was saying something about a discussion about the worst club owners, and the WH owners were high on the list.
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Classless bastards! Couldnt even wait until they got back to London.
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Yes. From Auntie:
BBC Sport chief football writer Phil McNulty was at the DW Stadium for the match.
He said: "Rumours started to gather pace that Avram Grant had been sacked even before he attended his post-match press conference. He was asked whether he had already lost his job and said 'I am not going to talk about myself'.
"Grant then disappeared and around 20 minutes later a West Ham spokesman returned to the press room to tell the waiting media that Avram Grant was no longer West Ham's manager and that Kevin Keen would take charge of their final game.
"Grant looked close to tears throughout he final media briefing as West Ham manager and it now appears he knew his fate was sealed even before he spoke about the result that had condemned West Ham to relegation."
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Grant did a good job at Pompey in very difficult circumstances. He got a team that went into administration to an FA Cup Final against all the odds, and kept them competetive in the league right to the end despite being forced to sell many of his best players in the January window.
He took Spam to a LC semi final and Chelski to a CL final as well. But he still hasn't won anything and has done nowt in the league really at any of the clubs he has been at. The most positive thing he has done in was ensure money in certain areas of specialist employ in Portsmouth
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Bruce is looking increasingly unsteady at Sunderland...could be them or Newcastle that gets the benefit of O'Neill's wisdom.
yep, that would be high on his list. Forgot about them, and he's always had an affection for the club and area. He'd also get solid backing from Quinn and in all fairness they have a excellent set up there already.
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Grant has 37 months left on his contract. So there goes the parachute payment for next season. There will be a fire sale/bring and buy at the club too. All played out at their new stadium in front of how many fans ?
It couldnt happen to nicer owners. No sympathy from me.
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Alan Curbishley, anyone?
(mostly so we don't get linked with him repeatedly as we almost certainly will do)
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Grant has 37 months left on his contract. So there goes the parachute payment for next season. There will be a fire sale/bring and buy at the club too. All played out at their new stadium in front of how many fans ?
It couldnt happen to nicer owners. No sympathy from me.
Gold will have to sell either his helicopter or a job lot of 12" Black Mambas. What a palaver.
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Classless bastards! Couldnt even wait until they got back to London.
I agree. Doug would wait then invite them round his house in Sutton to look at his prize roses in the garden.
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Kevin Keegan's in charge for the remainder of the season? I wonder if he'll last the rest of the campaign without resigning,
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Kevin Keegan's in charge for the remainder of the season? I wonder if he'll last the rest of the campaign without resigning,
Kevin Keen.
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I can just imagine Gollivan and Brady now. Sitting in their porn lair thinking of a way to get back in the good books of the Spammer fans. One of them will then have the idea of appointing a Wrist Ham legend as their new manager. Someone unemployed, therefore saving money and also with experience of managing in the Premier League, therefore the ideal candidate to bring them back up from the Championship.
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls. Children of all ages, may I present to you, the one and only - Mr Paul Ince
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I feel so bad for the west ham fans, well not really but having them as your owners is very depressing.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls. Children of all ages, may I present to you, the one and only - Mr Paul Ince
Please let this happen.
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The owners of that club really are a 'class act' aren't they ?
I wonder if Grant was allowed to travel back on the team coach or whether fuckers made him make his own way home.
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How to make friends by patronising the shit of them: Link to KUMB thread (http://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=131610). Poor sods.
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I have nothing but Sympathy with the Hammers fans. I did the moment those phallus-wrangling imbeciles darkened their doors. It's a proper club. Not the academy of football and they didnt win the world cup and they stole our kit, but a proper club nonetheless.
Still, I'm delighted that Tony Gale will taste his own tears today. The prick.
Oh and spawn of Miss Piggy is saying "Unhand me you sweaty, porcine, man-jawed demon-hag!"
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They've been an excellent club to watch, and though they do have a rather exalted view of themselves isn't that true of most football supporters. They've had a run of owners that show how lucky we are, and are stuck with this lot - who probably will get a decent manager in and have a track record of getting back up into the Premier League quickly, but at the cost of nearly all their dignity.
Their fan poll favourite is marginally Sam over O'Neill Though you have to wonder how desperate either would be to work for that crew).
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Just saw on the BBC gossip page that Mclaren is their new manager. Although the source is Talkshite (I know) it seems to be a definate as opposed to speculation. Anyone else heard any news on this?
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The owners of that club really are a 'class act' aren't they ?
I wonder if Grant was allowed to travel back on the team coach or whether fuckers made him make his own way home.
The players persuaded him to get on the coach as he offered to drive on his own, class act indeed.
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Grauniad
Steve McClaren rules himself out of West Ham job
• David Gold says club will take its time in finding new manager
• Paul Lambert wanted but unlikely to leave Carrow Road
Dominic Fifield
guardian.co.uk, Monday 16 May 2011 23.02 BST
West Ham United fear the depth of the crisis brought on by relegation to the Championship will thwart their pursuit of their preferred candidate, Norwich City's Paul Lambert, to replace Avram Grant at Upton Park. Their second-choice manager, the former England coach Steve McClaren, ruled himself out last night.
Grant was sacked in the tunnel at Wigan Athletic within minutes of the final whistle on Sunday, the 3-2 defeat having curtailed West Ham's six‑year stay in the top flight. The co‑owners, David Sullivan and David Gold, had drawn up a shortlist of potential successors in anticipation of the Israeli's departure at the end of the campaign, regardless of whether demotion was avoided, but must now appoint a manager charged with restoring them to the Premier League.
Although there is an acceptance that key players will leave, with the club's debts totalling some £80m and a further injection of £40m from the owners required just to cover the loss in cash flow, Gold and Sullivan remain committed to securing the best candidate possible to lead the team back to the elite at the first attempt. Lambert, a revelation at Norwich, whom he has propelled from League One to the Premier League in successive seasons, has emerged as their ambitious first choice, potentially working under a director of football at Upton Park.
It remains to be seen what level of funding the former Scotland international is granted to strengthen his squad at Carrow Road ahead of a daunting Premier League campaign. Even so West Ham may struggle to secure their man. Lambert is eager to experience the top division with Norwich and it is understood his instinct is to remain at the club – whose owners would be hostile to any approach for his services – which will prompt Gold and Sullivan to extend their search elsewhere.
McClaren, whose career has taken him from FC Twente in Holland to Wolfsburg since he was sacked as England manager in the autumn of 2007, would have represented a more experienced choice and was a candidate to succeed Gianfranco Zola at the Boleyn Ground a year ago. The 50-year-old is eager to return to work after being sacked at the Bundesliga club in February but favours holding out for a Premier League position.
"It is very flattering to be linked with a club of West Ham's size and historic stature, also one that has tremendous fans," he said. "However, at this moment in time I do not wish to be considered for the position. But I wish everybody at West Ham all the very best for the future."
Gold has described the appointment of the right manager as the board's "key requirement" and indicated the owners will take their time. "There's lot of work to do, enormous work, but, at the same time, we mustn't be rushed," he said. "This will be a very important appointment. You're choosing a manager good enough to get you out of the Championship and capable of continuing [in the Premier League] once you've achieved that. We're also preparing ourselves to move to a new stadium, something we've never done before. All these new challenges have to be addressed, so it's important we pick the right person."
Yet managers such as Martin O'Neill, who was close to joining West Ham in January, or Sam Allardyce are unlikely to be interested in the position now that the club have slipped into the Championship. Gus Poyet, a revelation with Brighton this season, was unimpressed with the treatment afforded Zola, his former Chelsea team-mate, by the current regime at Upton Park last year.
Interest is retained in Chris Hughton, who steered Newcastle back to the Premier League impressively at the first attempt, and Watford's Malky Mackay. Sullivan and Gold will also continue to monitor with interest events at the newly promoted Queens Park Rangers over the next few weeks despite Neil Warnock's insistence over the weekend that he has been assured of his future at Loftus Road following a meeting with the QPR board.
Regardless of who is placed in charge, an exodus is expected among the playing staff – Grant used 35 players this season – with Tottenham Hotspur to lead the chase for the £10m midfielder Scott Parker and also likely to pursue the young centre-half James Tomkins. Bids are also anticipated for players such as Mark Noble, Robert Green, Thomas Hitzlsperger, Demba Ba and Carlton Cole, who has interested Newcastle United.
A number of first-team players – led by Matthew Upson and Danny Gabbidon – are out of contract as of 1 July and likely to move on. Grant, who had signed a four-year contract last summer, is expected to receive a seven-figure pay‑off. There remains the possibility he could remain in English football, potentially with a return as director of football at Chelsea, though Guus Hiddink is Roman Abramovich's first choice to fill the role soon to be vacated by the Hamburg-bound Frank Arnesen.
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Nobody wants to work with those monstrous freaks.
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They really are a class act (http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=125335)
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Lets be honest, Brady boasts all the class of a wank on a chip shop counter.
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What does the sadistic sheriff in The Unforgiven say before Clint Eastwood put a hole in his chest? I don't deserve this.
Avram Grant does not deserve this but Brady, Sullivan and Gold deserve it and more and worse.
That trio are the worst possible example of the wrong sort of people to run a football club. With their track record they will deservedly struggle to get any half decent, sane manager to watch over the empty prairie of the Olympic Stadium. There is only one person bad enough and stupid enough to take the job and I hope with all my heart he gets it. Savage.
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I would fucking love it if they lost the Olympic Stadium too!
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Martin-Lipton-s-Lunchtime-Read-Ham-fisted-Avram-Grant-sacking-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-West-Ham-s-David-Sullivan-David-Gold-and-Karren-Brady-article736936.html
Sums them up perfectly
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They really are a class act (http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=125335)
To be fair, if they had their children travelling with them and were approached by an inevitably angry supporter on the train then I can understand him being protective of his family.
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Martin-Lipton-s-Lunchtime-Read-Ham-fisted-Avram-Grant-sacking-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-West-Ham-s-David-Sullivan-David-Gold-and-Karren-Brady-article736936.html
Sums them up perfectly
As was said when they went there - they got away with a lot at Small Heath because the local press were in thrall to them fancy London folk, but a lot of national writers are 'Ammers and they're not 'Appy.
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Martin-Lipton-s-Lunchtime-Read-Ham-fisted-Avram-Grant-sacking-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-West-Ham-s-David-Sullivan-David-Gold-and-Karren-Brady-article736936.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Martin-Lipton-s-Lunchtime-Read-Ham-fisted-Avram-Grant-sacking-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-West-Ham-s-David-Sullivan-David-Gold-and-Karren-Brady-article736936.html)
Sums them up perfectly
As was said when they went there - they got away with a lot at Small Heath because the local press were in thrall to them fancy London folk, but a lot of national writers are 'Ammers and they're not 'Appy.
Ain't that the truth.
Martin Samuel is apoplectic with rage:
Avram Grant was hopeless but buck has to stop with Gold and Sullivan at West Ham (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1387752/Martin-Samuel-Avram-Grant-hopeless-buck-stop-Gold-Sullivan.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
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The Big Sam -
Not sure I could live in London. So much access to disease-ridden whores would worry me. My cock would be weeping like an orphan in no time.
I can reveal, however, that I did meet David Gold recently at his flat.
We didn't talk specifics. Just general football philosophies & ambitions. Then we watched two lesbians suck jelly out of their arseholes.
I showed him my thoughts on formations and tactics, using a perspex table with a big-titted blonde writhing underneath it & a bag of dildos.
Goldy seems like a good fella, though. Surprisingly sensitive about the situation in Syria. Then he joked about me becoming West Ham boss.
David Sullivan popped round at the end of the meeting. Strange man, in many ways. He's a lot more hardcore than Gold, for a start.
He had spunk all over his weird Communist hat and kept sniffing his fingers and muttering "she'll do for you, Sully. She'll do for you".
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Stupid feckers shouldn't have been so reactionary and sacked the dressing rooms favourite Zola last year, they are getting exactly what they deserve. LOLZ to use the kids phrase, or ROFLMAO. ROXOR!!
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Grant was a terrible manager and had to go. Aside from the fact that he is the most uninspiring man in the history of the world, or the fact that his tactical decisions were often completely baffling, he ultimately relegated us and had to go. The alternative was doing what we did with Roeder in 2003 and keeping him until we lost to Rotherham.
Still, Gold and Sullivan treated him badly. They should never have given the man a 4 year contract, which might have enabled them to sack him after the 5-0 humiliation at Newcastle in November instead of waiting to invoke the relegation clause that it now seems clear is in his contract.
As for replacements, I can't see us getting any of the names being bandied about by the press. O'Neill left you lot because of lack of cash to spend (apparently), so why would he come to us?
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All Gold and Sullivan want is the new stadium, so they can sell the old one and make millions from property development for their own pockets. Once done, they'll look for another owner for the club.
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Still, Gold and Sullivan treated him badly. They should never have given the man a 4 year contract, which might have enabled them to sack him after the 5-0 humiliation at Newcastle in November instead of waiting to invoke the relegation clause that it now seems clear is in his contract.
Relegation clause ?! They think of everything dont they or is this a standard clause in a lot of contracts ?
O'Neill left you lot because of lack of cash to spend (apparently), so why would he come to us?
We had money (see Darren Bent signing), but they didn't trust him with it. He left because he is a small minded old fashioned arse and he wont go to you as he wont work for boards like Gold and Sullivan in a million years.
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I'm sorry about what's happened Sendo. For your sake at least and all the decent Hammers fans.
There's going to be a lot of vitriol aimed at the Triumverate of smut over the coming months. You just have to hope they get the club back in shape to sell and then somehow be more selective with who they sell it to when they move on (and they will). Not a Chinese gobshite hairdresser pretending to be loaded for instance.
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All Gold and Sullivan want is the new stadium, so they can sell the old one and make millions from property development for their own pockets. Once done, they'll look for another owner for the club.
It's easy to say with hindsight but moving from Blues, when their council built super stadium failed to appear after years of trying, to go to a club and their first job was to announce that moving to a new stadium was their goal was spooky. It's like they hadn't left the Blues.
LIke you say, it's their modus operandi and I can't help wondering why and what's in it for them?
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For the Olympic Stadium to be used as a silo to bring Satan into the world of course.
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James Lawton's open letter to Sullivan (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-an-open-letter-to-west-ham-owner-action-speaks-so-much-louder-than-platitudes-2285052.html)
They've done that many cringeworthy things that I had forgotten about pornodwarf's open letter last year.
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All Gold and Sullivan want is the new stadium, so they can sell the old one and make millions from property development for their own pockets. Once done, they'll look for another owner for the club.
It's easy to say with hindsight but moving from Blues, when their council built super stadium failed to appear after years of trying, to go to a club and their first job was to announce that moving to a new stadium was their goal was spooky. It's like they hadn't left the Blues.
LIke you say, it's their modus operandi and I can't help wondering why and what's in it for them?
Mac's said as much as i wanted to say really. I can't help thinking that they knew there was a brand spanking new free stadium heading West Ham's way before they packed their bags at Blues.
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Martin-Lipton-s-Lunchtime-Read-Ham-fisted-Avram-Grant-sacking-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-West-Ham-s-David-Sullivan-David-Gold-and-Karren-Brady-article736936.html
Sums them up perfectly
Quite possibly the truest thing the Mirror has ever printed. An excellent article.
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London Evening Standard claim MON is the prime candidate for new WHU Manager. Di Canio also a contender.
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Prime candidate according to some at WHU maybe. Probably not according to MON.
That said, he must be concerned at the lack of interest in him since he's been out of the game. Sooner or later he might have to gamble on a Championship side.
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Inevitable.
I wonder who'll be the next to try and work under Sullivan/Gold/Brady? Say what you like about Grant, but they've treated him shabbily.
They have. I feel sorry for him.
I feel sorry for him the same way I felt sorry for Claudio Ranieri when Chelsea gave him the unceremonious prod. Both nice blokes, both deserved better treatment than they got.