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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dr Butler on May 12, 2011, 08:58:00 AM
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2358275,00.html
He is saying all the right things.
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Fantastic News :)
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All the players say the right things but their actions on the pitch dont correlate.
Anyway thanks DJ Stew for saying your going to stay, even though you still have 2 years left on your contract and we pay you 60K a week.
These footballers are such martyrs
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All the players say the right things but their actions on the pitch dont correlate.
Anyway thanks DJ Stew for saying your going to stay, even though you still have 2 years left on your contract and we pay you 60K a week.
These footballers are such martyrs
We all need some good news, so when one of our better players is saying things like this then I'm happy.
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The Doc
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Players have been spouting rubbish all season and where has it got us?
We need to try harder
We are all focused for the next game
yawn yawn yawn
Same old rhetoric same shit results
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The key to our better players staying with the club is the management situation.
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Let's hope he does stay i for one would over the moon if he does.
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Players have been spouting rubbish all season and where has it got us?
We need to try harder
We are all focused for the next game
yawn yawn yawn
Same old rhetoric same shit results
Downing has backed it up more than most with his performances on the pitch . Bit harsh to lump him in the the Petrovs and Dunnes.
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Players have been spouting rubbish all season and where has it got us?
We need to try harder
We are all focused for the next game
yawn yawn yawn
Same old rhetoric same shit results
Yawn!
Our best player this season who has been subject to transfer speculation for weeks tells us that he's happy and wants to say and you find a way to turn it into a negative.
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I'm not particularly Downings biggest fan but I do recognise that he has been one of our better players this season - the best of a shit bunch.
But, I will be happy if he signs a new contract and stays, not only because he can be a decent player, but more importantly because the message it sends out.
At least it says to our fans and other teams the covet our payers, that we are not totally shit. We are still a club and name that some are proud to be associated with.
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Players have been spouting rubbish all season and where has it got us?
We need to try harder
We are all focused for the next game
yawn yawn yawn
Same old rhetoric same shit results
Yawn!
Our best player this season who has been subject to transfer speculation for weeks tells us that he's happy and wants to say and you find a way to turn it into a negative.
Are we meant to jump for joy because our "best" player who in the scheme of things has been average this season tells us he is happy to stay at VP even though he is paid 60K per week and has two years left to run on his current contract?
We are meant to be grateful because a player wants to stay with us.
Fuck me the whole thing needs to be reversed
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Players have been spouting rubbish all season and where has it got us?
We need to try harder
We are all focused for the next game
yawn yawn yawn
Same old rhetoric same shit results
Yawn!
Our best player this season who has been subject to transfer speculation for weeks tells us that he's happy and wants to say and you find a way to turn it into a negative.
Indeed.
Downing has won me over with his consistent displays this season. He's the one player who we can truly say has practiced what he preaches. If the rest don't there isn't much he can do about it. I'm glad he's sticking round for the long term.
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Good news indeed.
Now to start looking for a replacement for Young.
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Good news indeed.
Now to start looking for a replacement for Young.
We've already got Young's replacement in Allbrighton. Better end product, without the on-field tantrums and the snood!
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Good news indeed.
Now to start looking for a replacement for Young.
We've already got Young's replacement in Allbrighton. Better end product, without the on-field tantrums and the snood!
Slightly different player in my view.
However, Ash's replacement needs to be a player to play centrally either behind or alongside Bent. That's not Marc, but it might be Fabian Delph.
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Good news indeed.
Now to start looking for a replacement for Young.
We've already got Young's replacement in Allbrighton. Better end product, without the on-field tantrums and the snood!
Albrighton is a good prospect who has had a handful of good games for us but he's got a way to go to be considered as a full time replacement for Young.
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Good news indeed.
Now to start looking for a replacement for Young.
We've already got Young's replacement in Allbrighton. Better end product, without the on-field tantrums and the snood!
Albrighton is a good prospect who has had a handful of good games for us but he's got a way to go to be considered as a full time replacement for Young.
Especially after last Saturday, he was bloody awful.
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Downing has backed it up more than most with his performances on the pitch . Bit harsh to lump him in the the Petrovs and Dunnes.
Harsh to lump Petrov with Dunne, when Petrov has been out of the team for a large chunk of the season - performances, and results, with him in the middle have generally been better IMO.
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Sign Downing up & give him the armband. (unless we sign a better option).
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In the Wigan game there was one passage when Downing had moved inside with the ball looking for a lay off, Heskey,Bent and one other Villa player were standing less than a couple of feet apart giving a good impression of Roman statues. Downing is one player that is always moving into space, we need a few more like him.
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Alright Polyanna!
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Albrighton could and in my opinion will be a replacement for Young, at least in the respect that he will be a first choice winger. You have to remember this is his first season of regular senior football and he has done fantastically well. I've been a big fan of his for a while now. Sometimes he tries too hard and gets in a tiz, he's so desperate to do well. I like that.
He'll mature and become quite lethal over the next few years, I'm sure.
However, it's too much to completely rely on him right now and there needs to be viable alternatives to himself and Downing so we'll need at least one decent wide player coming in and possibly two.
I think players like N'Zogbia, Marveaux, Jarvis, Larrson, Chamberlain... possibly even Walcott (if Arsenal have a rethink) may be on the cards.
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Hopefully our players are learning from the Milner experience.
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Albrighton could and in my opinion will be a replacement for Young, at least in the respect that he will be a first choice winger. You have to remember this is his first season of regular senior football and he has done fantastically well. I've been a big fan of his for a while now. Sometimes he tries too hard and gets in a tiz, he's so desperate to do well. I like that.
He'll mature and become quite lethal over the next few years, I'm sure.
However, it's too much to completely rely on him right now and there needs to be viable alternatives to himself and Downing so we'll need at least one decent wide player coming in and possibly two.
I think players like N'Zogbia, Marveaux, Jarvis, Larrson, Chamberlain... possibly even Walcott (if Arsenal have a rethink) may be on the cards.
You're probably right but if funds are tight this is not top priority. Top priority, IMO, is for goalkeeping and defensive improvements. Next season may well be another transitional one, where the youff move from potential to realisation - the likes of Bannan, Clark, Weimann, Gardner, Hogg et al show whether they really can cut it at the top level. Having the defence and GK sorted - and having senior players like Downing, Bent, GA, LY and CC demonstrating leadership, commitment and expansive play - will enable us to transition effectively back toward a top 5-6 position and then onwards.
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Downing has always said that he's happy at Villa and he's grateful for us taking a huge gamble on him when he has injured. He isn't about to walk out, and he's only going if we get a mental offer. Even then I think we'd look to kep him as he's got the exact attitude if we are to recover from this season. He's a great role model.
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You're probably right but if funds are tight this is not top priority. Top priority, IMO, is for goalkeeping and defensive improvements. Next season may well be another transitional one, where the youff move from potential to realisation - the likes of Bannan, Clark, Weimann, Gardner, Hogg et al show whether they really can cut it at the top level. Having the defence and GK sorted - and having senior players like Downing, Bent, GA, LY and CC demonstrating leadership, commitment and expansive play - will enable us to transition effectively back toward a top 5-6 position and then onwards.
I agree.
We need to totally rebuild the spine of the side, so a new keeper, leader/organiser CB, and dominant midfielder and required. After that we need to look at the fullback positons and find two with attacking intent to keep up with the modern game. I might settle for 1 here and get another season of of Luke Young. Do that and we can cope with the likely departures (Dunne, NRC, Heskey, Warnock) with the kids getting more game time as they take their squad places. Only one who will need replacing is Ash Young, but with a good fee coming in for him that should hopefully more or less pay for itself. This will probably be the glamour signing of the summer, and a key indicator of what formation we'll play in 2011/2012, but won't do nearly as much to improve us as the other signings.
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I agree as well in terms of priority signings: I'd be happy with Albrighton and Downing as our starting wingers next season. We'd just need to add someone relatively cheap as back-up; maybe that's Larsson on a free, maybe it's the Blackburn lad Martin Olsson. Maybe - big maybe - if Wolves go down Jarvis is gettable for a reasonable amount. But we'd need someone to play wide because I don't who else we have in the reserves who can fill in, and we're light in those positions in the senior squad. And we can't expect Albrighton and Downing to each play the whole season.
As for Downing, I'm pleased: I didn't see him going anywhere this summer and was beginning to get concerned hearing speculation he might be moving on.
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Although not ideal, I could see Delph or Bannan filling in there if needed. Plus Ash's replacement may well be the type of striker/attacking midfielder who could also play wide if needed.
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It's not going to happen this way but apart from Downing, Bent, Gabby possibly and the kids I'm not overly bothered about who we keep from the current crop.
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Downing has backed it up more than most with his performances on the pitch . Bit harsh to lump him in the the Petrovs and Dunnes.
Harsh to lump Petrov with Dunne, when Petrov has been out of the team for a large chunk of the season - performances, and results, with him in the middle have generally been better IMO.
Well yeah - fair point. But would be harsh to lump me in with UsualSuspect in the lumping in stakes.
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Those are really positive comments from the best player of the season coming at a time when there is a lot of negativity and uncertainty around the club. Captaincy to go with the new contract?
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its not cheered me up,
as i'm in a small minority that thinks he's vastly overated.
i watch him have one of his better games, where he does a few good things and we maybe score from one of his crosses, but still only a just above average performance,
then i come on here and read how he was Awesome this and Awesome that, and Superb the other, i just dont get it
i've seen some awesome players at Villa but he aint one of them
so i wont be bothered if he goes, not one bit, especially if he brings in some big money, but i cant see it, for all the talk of Liverpool wanting him, Dalglish wont spend big on the likes of Downing you can be sure of that
i know it goes against the grain, but thats the way i see it
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I agree with the above post , but I love a player that seems to love the club and hope he stays.. lets just get some better quality than the crap we have ..
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Downing has been quality this season, some people think if they don't play like Messi every week they are 'overrated'.
He has been by far our best player and does not have a big ego or an attitude.
If he extends his contract it will be a massive statement to our targets this summer along with having Bent here.
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He'll be our captain next season if Petrov leaves.
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He'll be our captain next season if Petrov leaves.
Personally I'd keep Stan at the club, as he seems to be a great influence on the team and young lads - but to make him secondary captain, with Downing as Captain.
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He'll be our captain next season if Petrov leaves.
Personally I'd keep Stan at the club, as he seems to be a great influence on the team and young lads - but to make him secondary captain, with Downing as Captain.
so he will last 30 mins instead of 60 ..
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He'll be our captain next season if Petrov leaves.
Personally I'd keep Stan at the club, as he seems to be a great influence on the team and young lads - but to make him secondary captain, with Downing as Captain.
so he will last 30 mins instead of 60 ..
Maybe just pay him for cup games or bring him on if we're defending a lead. But I'd definitely like to have him around for training and as a general influence of the younger lads.
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Or just get some cash for him and buy somebody who will be Captain.
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Downing has improved this season in terms of getting the ball, retaining and carrying the ball, his end product is still woefull.
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Downing has been better this season I admit, but if he went it wouldn't be a huge drama, as it won't be with Ash. Don't get me wrong, it would mean us having to find a decent winger to replace him, but I think N'Zogbia is that man.
TBH I'm more bothered about getting the manager issue sorted asap before we talk about players.
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Heis a bit of a wuss but has been our best player this year, it would have been very bad (and I guess it still could) if we lose him as well as A Young this summer.
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I don't agree that he's been our best player this year, and although I like him, there's something about him that I'm unconvinced about.
It's a bit vague, but he reminds of Carrick in that sense.
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I don't agree that he's been our best player this year, and although I like him, there's something about him that I'm unconvinced about.
It's a bit vague, but he reminds of Carrick in that sense.
You're on to something here. As much as I've grown to like him there is that something about him that holds him back. A bit like Barry was for us as well. I just have the feeling that when the chips are down Downing isn't the sort of player who will roll his sleeves up and drag us out of a mess. There's also the feeling I get that he could do more and often seems contented to have a 7 or 8 out of 10 game when with a bit more effort he could be a 9.
That aside he's still been our best player this season.
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Captain :'(
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its not cheered me up,
as i'm in a small minority that thinks he's vastly overated.
i watch him have one of his better games, where he does a few good things and we maybe score from one of his crosses, but still only a just above average performance,
then i come on here and read how he was Awesome this and Awesome that, and Superb the other, i just dont get it
i've seen some awesome players at Villa but he aint one of them
so i wont be bothered if he goes, not one bit, especially if he brings in some big money, but i cant see it, for all the talk of Liverpool wanting him, Dalglish wont spend big on the likes of Downing you can be sure of that
i know it goes against the grain, but thats the way i see it
Same as me
For me he always holds something back and when the chips are down goes missing along with the majority of the side.
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There are several fans who seem to have it in for Downing. But the majority clearly see he has been our player of the season. To his credit off the pitch he has stated he wants a new contract thus avoiding all the summer gossip etc Think the Downing Knockers should be looking at what Ashley Young has created in terms of unsettling our club .......
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There are several fans who seem to have it in for Downing. But the majority clearly see he has been our player of the season. To his credit off the pitch he has stated he wants a new contract thus avoiding all the summer gossip etc Think the Downing Knockers should be looking at what Ashley Young has created in terms of unsettling our club .......
I haven't got it in for him at all, I just don't think he's been as good as is made out.
And quite what it's got to do with Ashley Young, who has been and is our best player, I don't know.
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Lets be honest Downing had to improve on last season where he was by and large a disgrace.
He has been much improved this season but as with the rest of the side he has flattered to deceive so for me it's 6/7 out of ten.
However, the talk of making him captain or moving him into central midfield are in my opinion ridiculous.
people on facebook are actually calling him a legend
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Lets be honest Downing had to improve on last season where he was by and large a disgrace.
He has been much improved this season but as with the rest of the side he has flattered to deceive so for me it's 6/7 out of ten.
However, the talk of making him captain or moving him into central midfield are in my opinion ridiculous.
people on facebook are actually calling him a legend
I would hardly call him a disgrace for last season's showing and as for legend the word is all to readily used these days, I still feel he has been our best player overall this season and I am very pleased that he will hopefully sign a new contract.
Downing for PM !!!!
UTV
The Doc
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There are several fans who seem to have it in for Downing. But the majority clearly see he has been our player of the season. To his credit off the pitch he has stated he wants a new contract thus avoiding all the summer gossip etc Think the Downing Knockers should be looking at what Ashley Young has created in terms of unsettling our club .......
I haven't got it in for him at all, I just don't think he's been as good as is made out.
And quite what it's got to do with Ashley Young, who has been and is our best player, I don't know.
Why i mentioned Ashley Young is because the "Downing knockers" are still having a go even though he has been voted player of the season and is enthusiastic about his future at Aston Villa. Yet Young has failed to confirm his future and caused uncertainty to the club and he hardly gets any stick. As for the best player at the club i would let him go before Bent anyday ......
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If you don't think Downing was shit last season then I don't know what else to say.
Quite frankly the only thing lacking from his game last season was a handbag.
oooohhh I dont want to go for that header at home to Arsenal because I may hurt myself on the post.
ooohhhh that nasty man might hurt me in a 50/50 challenge so I'll run off
He has said he wants to stay at Villa, fuck me every player should be saying "I love Villa" as playing for one of the most historic football clubs in the world and getting 60 grand a week for the privilege should guarantee that.
If Downing saying he wants to say gets us excited it shows have far we have come
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Lets be honest Downing had to improve on last season where he was by and large a disgrace.
He has been much improved this season but as with the rest of the side he has flattered to deceive so for me it's 6/7 out of ten.
However, the talk of making him captain or moving him into central midfield are in my opinion ridiculous.
people on facebook are actually calling him a legend
I don't think Downing has looked better because the rest of the team has been mainly shite, but I do think that in previous years he wouldn't even be mentioned in the POTY discussions after similar performances.
Good player worth about what we payed for him. Keep and get a few more of his level and we'll be a decent side again.
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its not cheered me up,
as i'm in a small minority that thinks he's vastly overated.
i watch him have one of his better games, where he does a few good things and we maybe score from one of his crosses, but still only a just above average performance,
then i come on here and read how he was Awesome this and Awesome that, and Superb the other, i just dont get it
i've seen some awesome players at Villa but he aint one of them
so i wont be bothered if he goes, not one bit, especially if he brings in some big money, but i cant see it, for all the talk of Liverpool wanting him, Dalglish wont spend big on the likes of Downing you can be sure of that
i know it goes against the grain, but thats the way i see it
appolagies for quoting my own quote here, but todays game against Arsenal typifies what i mean about the great Downing myth
i dont think he put a one decent ball in today i saw him waste loads of opportunities to cause problems for there defence but the best we ever got was a corner or throw in
yet on the post match thread, he's 8/10 its a joke,
and even those that admit he wasnt very clever today say 'but he was great in helping out the defence' i despair,
thats exactly what i mean about Downing, he was at best today ordinary and average, yet posters still think he was great, some even sugesting he was our best player,
no he wasnt , no where near, Bent ,Reo Coker, Walker, L Young, Friedel were all miles better,
but hey ho lets keep the great Downing band waggon rolling along
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Good player on the ball but he is a pansy and he's a professional footballer on 50k a week and he can't kick with his right foot.
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Downing was very poor today for me John too. I think he is vastly better than last season, but still has a fair number of crap games.
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Lets be honest Downing had to improve on last season where he was by and large a disgrace.
He has been much improved this season but as with the rest of the side he has flattered to deceive so for me it's 6/7 out of ten.
However, the talk of making him captain or moving him into central midfield are in my opinion ridiculous.
people on facebook are actually calling him a legend
I don't think Downing has looked better because the rest of the team has been mainly shite, but I do think that in previous years he wouldn't even be mentioned in the POTY discussions after similar performances.
Good player worth about what we payed for him. Keep and get a few more of his level and we'll be a decent side again.
That's my take on it too.
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Good player on the ball but he is a pansy and he's a professional footballer on 50k a week and he can't kick with his right foot.
That's nonsense. He's one of the few players we have who will fancy his chances shooting or crossing with either foot. I don't think I've ever seen Ash or Albrighton put crosses in with their left.
He's been our best player this season - mainly because he's looked more on the pace of the game and because for the first half of the season he chipped in with a few goals. Last season he was poor and I was seriously worried we'd been ripped off. But if he carries on the form of this year for the majority of a new contract then we'll have done very well on the deal.
But whoever is making the decisions has to remember he's a winger. We need to stop this mentality of moving widemen in to the attacking centre-mid role. If we want an attacking player to sit behind Bent then let's buy one.
How much do you reckon it would cost to get that fella from QPR?