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Title: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: olaftab on May 11, 2011, 10:43:36 PM
There are two types of relegations in the PL now. One is the normal  bottom 3  relegated to the Championship. The other and more damaging, as there is no parachute payment, is the relegation from the top 4 and therefore out of the Champions League.
This had a devastating impact on Leeds. Everton  "survived" because they got knocked out almost before it started so they  were not affected by the TV money. Spurs had a very good run and here is hoping that they go the way Leeds did. (not sure if that is me being evil but so what!)
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Smoke on May 11, 2011, 10:46:14 PM
I think spurs bank balance has done very well out of the champs league, they didnt over spend to get there and didnt over spend once they did get there.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2011, 10:48:31 PM
Levy is very shrewd with finances. They would have made a a fair bit of money from their run this year and the big sponsorship deals they got off the back of it. It will be interesting to see what type of players they can attract in the summer and if the likes of Van Der Vaart and Bale will stay put.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 11, 2011, 10:54:00 PM
They might have to sell a few players to pay for a new stadium. With Man City pretty much guaranteed top four now they have the lure of the Champions League and can sign anyone, and Liverpool resurgent, they might have to settle for a few years scrapping for a Europa League place and maybe a cup. They won't be anywhere near relegation though, sadly.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: TheSandman on May 11, 2011, 10:56:58 PM
They are too smart, sadly.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2011, 11:05:48 PM
There's nothing at all to suggest Spurs will suffer the fate of Leeds.

I will say, though, that I reckon there's going to be an "after the Lord Mayor's show" feel to their season next year. No particular reasoning behind this, I just have a feeling they're going to have a much tougher season.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 11, 2011, 11:11:17 PM
If Spurs, or anyone else without the financial backing of Citeh, gets into the CL and then doesn't budget for not being in it the following year then they deserve everything they get.
It won't happen to Spuds though, they have enough talent to survive in the top half even if Bale, err, bales.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 11, 2011, 11:12:25 PM
They hardly over stretched themselves compared to Leeds.  VDV being probably the only big signing and that was a cheap fee, relatively speaking.

Even if a big name does leave (Modric, Bale, VDV) then they're likely to make a profit and the reduced number of (big) games will mean the reduced talent of the squad will not effect them too much.

I am certainly not expecting them to implode any time soon.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 11, 2011, 11:16:25 PM
There's nothing at all to suggest Spurs will suffer the fate of Leeds.

I will say, though, that I reckon there's going to be an "after the Lord Mayor's show" feel to their season next year. No particular reasoning behind this, I just have a feeling they're going to have a much tougher season.

There is a risk of that.  For that reason I can see them cashing in on a few of the bigger names, the ones who feel they are too good to not be in the Chumps League (VDV) and therefore might not be fully committed.  They'll promote a few of the younger players, Sandro, Walker (?), Rose and, as a result, the hunger will return to the squad.

Bastards.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 11, 2011, 11:17:06 PM
Don't see them having too many problems other than reducing their 40 man squad.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Pete3206 on May 11, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
They have done brilliantly in the last 2 years. Qualifying for the CL and getting to the last 8, whilst remaining a top 6 side.

Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2011, 11:52:01 PM
They are Darren Bent short of the top 4 again this year. I think Bale and Modric will go for big fees this summer, and maybe Huddlestone - just a hunch now Sandro is looking better.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2011, 11:58:06 PM
Don't see them having too many problems other than reducing their 40 man squad.

40 man squad? Crikey.

I bet their wage bill is enormous

*pulls up deckchair, opens bag of popcorn*
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Colhint on May 12, 2011, 12:02:41 AM
will they qualify for europe at all?
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 12, 2011, 12:14:52 AM
Don't see them having too many problems other than reducing their 40 man squad.

40 man squad? Crikey.

I bet their wage bill is enormous

*pulls up deckchair, opens bag of popcorn*

What kind of a freak eats popcorn in a deckchair? ;-)
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Chipsticks on May 12, 2011, 12:16:56 AM
will they qualify for europe at all?

Aslong as Man City win the FA cup the Europa League places will go to 5th and 6th, however if Stoke overcome them it will be only 5th place, and most likely Liverpool.

Please do correct me if I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2011, 12:17:58 AM
Don't see them having too many problems other than reducing their 40 man squad.

40 man squad? Crikey.

I bet their wage bill is enormous

*pulls up deckchair, opens bag of popcorn*

What kind of a freak eats popcorn in a deckchair? ;-)

It's been a long, long day. You know it's all a bit odd when you come to the football forum from OT for a break.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Colhint on May 12, 2011, 12:24:40 AM
couldn't agree more paul , how are ya
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 12, 2011, 12:27:44 AM
will they qualify for europe at all?

Aslong as Man City win the FA cup the Europa League places will go to 5th and 6th, however if Stoke overcome them it will be only 5th place, and most likely Liverpool.

Please do correct me if I'm mistaken.

Consider yourself corrected. Stoke are in the Europa by virtue of Man City being in the Champions League
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 12, 2011, 12:31:04 AM
Don't see them having too many problems other than reducing their 40 man squad.

40 man squad? Crikey.

I bet their wage bill is enormous

*pulls up deckchair, opens bag of popcorn*

What kind of a freak eats popcorn in a deckchair? ;-)

It's been a long, long day. You know it's all a bit odd when you come to the football forum from OT for a break.

I don't trust myself to start posting in there on a regular basis, I'd get nothing done.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2011, 12:33:45 AM
Don't see them having too many problems other than reducing their 40 man squad.

40 man squad? Crikey.

I bet their wage bill is enormous

*pulls up deckchair, opens bag of popcorn*

What kind of a freak eats popcorn in a deckchair? ;-)

It's been a long, long day. You know it's all a bit odd when you come to the football forum from OT for a break.

I don't trust myself to start posting in there on a regular basis, I'd get nothing done.

It's 100 times as infuriating as anything that goes on in here. Really.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 12, 2011, 12:49:01 AM
Don't see them having too many problems other than reducing their 40 man squad.

40 man squad? Crikey.

I bet their wage bill is enormous

*pulls up deckchair, opens bag of popcorn*

What kind of a freak eats popcorn in a deckchair? ;-)

It's been a long, long day. You know it's all a bit odd when you come to the football forum from OT for a break.

I don't trust myself to start posting in there on a regular basis, I'd get nothing done.

It's 100 times as infuriating as anything that goes on in here. Really.


It all make sense now. The Spurs wage references are just downers from OT aren't they?
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: KevinGage on May 12, 2011, 12:49:09 AM
Spurs didn't bet the farm trying to chase it to the same degree that Leeds (and Newcastle to a certain extent) did.

Redknapp was still talking about sell to buy constraints this time last year (funny how the press didn't mention that in every Tottingham related article).
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 12, 2011, 12:55:48 AM
Now that the 4th CL place has become competitive with Liverpool, Spurs and Man City taking it in the last 3 season, is it time to consider a play-off for the last CL spot (or even 2). Maybe include the teams in the Europa league places and the FA Cup finalists?
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Colhint on May 12, 2011, 01:10:44 AM
you mean like an FA Cup without L'arse, scum and chav's
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: VillaSpen on May 12, 2011, 02:30:30 AM
Spurs have got to trim their squad. They've currently got loads out on loan (Keane, Dos Santos, Bentley, Walker and O'Hara to name but a few) and they're paying astronomical wages to players such as Woodgate and King who barely manage 20 appearances combined most seasons. Apparently King is on 75, 000 a week!
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: usav on May 12, 2011, 03:24:15 AM
There's nothing at all to suggest Spurs will suffer the fate of Leeds.

I will say, though, that I reckon there's going to be an "after the Lord Mayor's show" feel to their season next year. No particular reasoning behind this, I just have a feeling they're going to have a much tougher season.

I agree, although I thought that this year after last season!
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: bob on May 12, 2011, 05:50:52 AM
Well, they have only won one of the last 12/13, which has seemingly gone by without too many noticing. I don't think they've beaten any of the bottom four all season either.

Only 'Arry could get away with that without beng ripped apart in the papers.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 12, 2011, 08:08:03 AM
They wont do a Leeds, but they could do a Villa.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: darren woolley on May 12, 2011, 09:22:58 AM
The key will be in the summer when other teams will be hovering around there players will they be able to hold on to them knowing that they wont be able to offer them Champions League football next season.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 12, 2011, 09:31:08 AM
Well, they have only won one of the last 12/13, which has seemingly gone by without too many noticing. I don't think they've beaten any of the bottom four all season either.

Only 'Arry could get away with that without beng ripped apart in the papers.

The only mention I've seen of this ...what is in reality something of a collapse was a reference to it in the Fiver the other day.  There must be a rule in Journo land where only positive things can be said about Spurs regardless of how ordinary they have become.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: JJ-AV on May 12, 2011, 09:59:17 AM
Now that the 4th CL place has become competitive with Liverpool, Spurs and Man City taking it in the last 3 season, is it time to consider a play-off for the last CL spot (or even 2). Maybe include the teams in the Europa league places and the FA Cup finalists?

I think it'll take a few more years of 'competition' before we can say that. It's a good idea and one I'd consider depending on how the next few years pan out.

The seeming 'one in, one out' of the top 4 could work one of two ways: 4 teams split off and it goes like it was before, it generally becomes more competitive and changes every year, or more likely: 2/3 teams get even further ahead of the team in fourth.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Concrete John on May 12, 2011, 09:59:20 AM
There's nothing at all to suggest Spurs will suffer the fate of Leeds.

I will say, though, that I reckon there's going to be an "after the Lord Mayor's show" feel to their season next year. No particular reasoning behind this, I just have a feeling they're going to have a much tougher season.

I agree, although I thought that this year after last season!

League wise I think they have, despite their good showing in the CL.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 12, 2011, 10:12:14 AM
There's nothing at all to suggest Spurs will suffer the fate of Leeds.

I will say, though, that I reckon there's going to be an "after the Lord Mayor's show" feel to their season next year. No particular reasoning behind this, I just have a feeling they're going to have a much tougher season.

I agree, although I thought that this year after last season!

League wise I think they have, despite their good showing in the CL.

It makes me want to cry when i look at that end of the table. We were on 58, 59, 64 points at this stage of the last 3 seasons.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Concrete John on May 12, 2011, 10:22:34 AM
It makes me want to cry when i look at that end of the table. We were on 58, 59, 64 points at this stage of the last 3 seasons.

The thing is though that this season the league has been much tighter, with the bottem clubs having more points and the top ones having less.  So even if we were playing to the level we were in those seasons, I doubt we'd have as many points.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2011, 04:44:13 PM
Spurs were the weakest of the teams that ended  up in top 4 last season and from now on ManShitty will be in there permanently whats left for rest of PL teams other than avoiding relegation to  the championship?
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: itbrvilla on May 13, 2011, 04:51:11 PM
The key will be in the summer when other teams will be hovering around there players will they be able to hold on to them knowing that they wont be able to offer them Champions League football next season.
They seam a lot better at us at selling for a profit instead of acting like a charity.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 13, 2011, 04:57:11 PM
The key will be in the summer when other teams will be hovering around there players will they be able to hold on to them knowing that they wont be able to offer them Champions League football next season.
They seam a lot better at us at selling for a profit instead of acting like a charity.
The thing that Spurs did very well was sell when a players stock was high. Now in the case of Barry we set our price at £18million and nobody came in for him. If we had then gone onto CL qualification it would have looked inspired, however we ended up selling for £12million. With Milner, I am pretty sure everybody thought at the time that we had bled Man City dry and it was an offer too good to turn down. With Young it will probably be something between £12-15million. If we had sold him when his stock was at its highest, I believe we would have comfortably achieved the £25million mark for him. However, we had no need to. I don't really see how you can say we act like a charity though.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
The key will be in the summer when other teams will be hovering around there players will they be able to hold on to them knowing that they wont be able to offer them Champions League football next season.
They seam a lot better at us at selling for a profit instead of acting like a charity.

As noted above they sell players when they are at their peak and also with more than 1 year left of their contract, just like we did with Milner (and not Barry ...Young).  It'll be a bitter pill to swallow but Villa need to start doing this as we're continually selling players when they are in the stronger bargaining position.  Of course, this assumes that the money will be reinvested in players.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2011, 11:57:40 PM
The reason Spurs won't go the way of Leeds is a major reason why they did qualify for the CL next season. Given that Man City would be that much stronger this year, Spurs did very well out of their run, but knew that they'd be foolish to blow a lot of money on staying in the top 4 especially if it didn't come off. They're not as consistent as Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal yet, and their squad isn't as deep. They couldn't compete financially with Man City so blowing 50m would have been a huge risk, and massive weight around their neck now had they done so.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: hawkeye on May 14, 2011, 12:47:08 AM
Spurs are miles ahead of us in terms of squad, direction and achievement.
They had a lot of injuries and Crouch,Defoe and Pavluchennko failed to deliver enough goals. The money they get for Bale will allow them to strengthen the squad. They will be chalenging for a top 4 place next season.
Title: Re: 5%Villa-Relegation...for Spurs
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 15, 2011, 06:01:45 AM
I wonder what spurs fans are saying, do you think they're being as rational as us - to paraphrase a fair few here we seem to be saying that it is good that they did not over stretch themselves - whereas most villa fans hate the thought of us selling a player at a profit or not buying x, y, z when we know our income is not sufficient to support such purchases.

I suppose it's easier when the emotion is removed.
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