Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on May 08, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
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It's all his fault (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/John-Carew-blames-Gerard-Houllier-for-forcing-him-out-of-Aston-Villa-article732930.html)
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“The reason why things were difficult at Aston Villa had nothing to do with the sport side."
Yes it was, you were putting zero/very little effort in and not scoring goals.
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Big mistake by GH. Just look at all the goals he's knocked in for stoke since he left and work out where we'd be now.
oh....
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“I still talk to the boys every two days – it was the right choice for me to go and play football somewhere else for at least a few months. We will see what happens.
I thought we'd cancelled the prick's contract?
Getting rid of this fucking waster is one of the best things GH has done since joining the club. With him on one side and Barry and Milner on the other, I hope Wembley implodes next weekend.
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Carew was scoring bucketloads of goals at the end of last season. It is nonsensical that we didn't persevere with him this season, even if his form at the start of the season dictated that he needed a period in the reserves.
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He's had it villadawg. Injuries, his lifestyle and his attitude have put paid to him.
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I'd rather have Darren Bent.
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Carew was scoring bucketloads of goals at the end of last season. It is nonsensical that we didn't persevere with him this season, even if his form at the start of the season dictated that he needed a period in the reserves.
I liked Carew, but I couldn't see what was possibly going to change with him this season.
Grief with the manager there may have been, but his performances this season were absolutely woeful. It's all very well saying you didn't get on with the manager, but hey, "the fans loved me" - so, if the fans loved you so much, why did you reward us with a sequence of the most uninspired, unbothered performances I've ever seen from a player in a Villa shirt?
Couldn't he have repaid a bit of that love by putting in a shift every now and then? Maybe if he had, there would be more sympathy for his gripes with Houllier.
His "performance" against Arsenal this season was the least motivated I have seen from a player of ours in a very long time. The first time he sprinted in that match was when he saw his number held up on the sideline, it was nothing short of disgraceful.
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I'd rather have Darren Bent.
All day long.
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Carew was scoring bucketloads of goals at the end of last season. It is nonsensical that we didn't persevere with him this season, even if his form at the start of the season dictated that he needed a period in the reserves.
I liked Carew, but I couldn't see what was possibly going to change with him this season.
Grief with the manager there may have been, but his performances this season were absolutely woeful. It's all very well saying you didn't get on with the manager, but hey, "the fans loved me" - so, if the fans loved you so much, why did you reward us with a sequence of the most uninspired, unbothered performances I've ever seen from a player in a Villa shirt?
Couldn't he have repaid a bit of that love by putting in a shift every now and then? Maybe if he had, there would be more sympathy for his gripes with Houllier.
His "performance" against Arsenal this season was the least motivated I have seen from a player of ours in a very long time. The first time he sprinted in that match was when he saw his number held up on the sideline, it was nothing short of disgraceful.
Hasn't he always had periods when he looked half-arsed?
If I remember correctly, his starts under Houllier were as lone striker against Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. I wouldn't have expected him to flourish in those circumstances and I wouldn't have been so quick to write him off.
It doesn't matter now but I don't buy into the theory that Carew was the only one at fault.
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Carew was scoring bucketloads of goals at the end of last season. It is nonsensical that we didn't persevere with him this season, even if his form at the start of the season dictated that he needed a period in the reserves.
I liked Carew, but I couldn't see what was possibly going to change with him this season.
Grief with the manager there may have been, but his performances this season were absolutely woeful. It's all very well saying you didn't get on with the manager, but hey, "the fans loved me" - so, if the fans loved you so much, why did you reward us with a sequence of the most uninspired, unbothered performances I've ever seen from a player in a Villa shirt?
Couldn't he have repaid a bit of that love by putting in a shift every now and then? Maybe if he had, there would be more sympathy for his gripes with Houllier.
His "performance" against Arsenal this season was the least motivated I have seen from a player of ours in a very long time. The first time he sprinted in that match was when he saw his number held up on the sideline, it was nothing short of disgraceful.
Hasn't he always had periods when he looked half-arsed?
If I remember correctly, his starts under Houllier were as lone striker against Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. I wouldn't have expected him to flourish in those circumstances and I wouldn't have been so quick to write him off.
It doesn't matter now but I don't buy into the theory that Carew was the only one at fault.
I too don't think Carew was the only one at fault, so I think you're right there.
My point was that it's all very well of Carew to point the finger at Houllier, but it is a bt laughable considering his own inability to give a shit this season.
Incidentally, re the games he started - what about the other ones? Why shouldn't be have given a shit in those, too? And why only look at the games he started under Houllier? What about the matches before that?
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"The big Norwegian centre forward will have the last laugh on Saturday when he walks out for an FA Cup Final with his new club Stoke."
Is he actually eligible to play ?
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"The big Norwegian centre forward will have the last laugh on Saturday when he walks out for an FA Cup Final with his new club Stoke."
Is he actually eligible to play ?
Yes
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I too don't think Carew was the only one at fault, so I think you're right there.
My point was that it's all very well of Carew to point the finger at Houllier, but it is a bt laughable considering his own inability to give a shit this season.
Incidentally, re the games he started - what about the other ones? Why shouldn't be have given a shit in those, too? And why only look at the games he started under Houllier? What about the matches before that?
I think we did pretty well in the games he started before Houllier took over.
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I'd rather have Darren Bent.
All day long.
But would rather have Carew than Heskey.
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I too don't think Carew was the only one at fault, so I think you're right there.
My point was that it's all very well of Carew to point the finger at Houllier, but it is a bt laughable considering his own inability to give a shit this season.
Incidentally, re the games he started - what about the other ones? Why shouldn't be have given a shit in those, too? And why only look at the games he started under Houllier? What about the matches before that?
I think we did pretty well in the games he started before Houllier took over.
Including Newcastle away?
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he was half-assed through the majority of MON's reign so i don't get this "only shit after GH took over" revisionism. Yes he scored goals when he was fit/could be bothered but as others have said with bent here now, he looks a very expensive luxury sub. Be interesting to see if Stoke sign him up this summer
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I am no Houllier fan but Carew can fcuk right off. At his best unplayable but what's the point in that ability, strength and potential star quality when you just can't be fucked to turn it on each week?
John, here's a tip. Those players you see on TV described as 'stars' have some ability but they also take the responsibility to appreciate their ability and seek to change every game they play in. Not just one in 10. I suspect Houllier knows that.
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I too don't think Carew was the only one at fault, so I think you're right there.
My point was that it's all very well of Carew to point the finger at Houllier, but it is a bt laughable considering his own inability to give a shit this season.
Incidentally, re the games he started - what about the other ones? Why shouldn't be have given a shit in those, too? And why only look at the games he started under Houllier? What about the matches before that?
I think we did pretty well in the games he started before Houllier took over.
Including Newcastle away?
His other 4 starts Pre-Houllier were wins over West Ham, Everton and Blackburn(LC) and Norway's Euro Championship qualifier win over Portugal. So yes, we did pretty well in the games Carew started, even if you include the Newcastle game.
I think people forget that we were doing OK in 5th place after our first 6 games of the season and yes I know Houllier was on the bench for the Wolves game.
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This half arsed line makes me laugh. We still have a squad full of that.
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This half arsed line makes me laugh. We still have a squad full of that.
well yes. But until we start shipping them out there's not much we can do. Hopefully someone will finally give MON a job and we can offload them to him...
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Hopefully someone will finally give MON a job and we can offload them to him...
Poor ol' MON must be pulling his newly thatched hair out. Just when Sunderland look like they'll come a knocking, the bastards go and win again. Yesterday they got the winner in the 93rd minute. Maybe he used up all his luck at the Villa.
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Hopefully someone will finally give MON a job and we can offload them to him...
Poor ol' MON must be pulling his newly thatched hair out. Just when Sunderland look like they'll come a knocking, the bastards go and win again. Yesterday they got the winner in the 93rd minute. Maybe he used up all his luck at the Villa.
He'll be at norwich come November. Their current manager seems to think he's MON already so why employ a cheap copy when you can have the genuine faux intellectual hoof merchant?
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It would be quite sweet if he went to Norwich after Lambert came to us.
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I'd like to see the new manager (yes, new manager, please) call all of the loanees back for the close season and take a look at the whole squad before deciding which are worthy of the 25 shirts. That would be Carew's chance to impress - the enmity between him and Houllier goes way back and I don't think he ever stood a chance with GH as manager whatever the circumstances - and if he doesn't, then let him go.
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I'd like to see the new manager (yes, new manager, please) call all of the loanees back for the close season and take a look at the whole squad before deciding which are worthy of the 25 shirts. That would be Carew's chance to impress - the enmity between him and Houllier goes way back and I don't think he ever stood a chance with GH as manager whatever the circumstances - and if he doesn't, then let him go.
Carew is out of contract
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I'd rather have Darren Bent.
All day long.
But would rather have Carew than Heskey.
All day long
Houllier's man management especially with the older players has been cataclysmic!!
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happy when we swapped him for baros but equally happy when he left. no love for the club.
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His other 4 starts Pre-Houllier were wins over West Ham, Everton and Blackburn(LC) and Norway's Euro Championship qualifier win over Portugal. So yes, we did pretty well in the games Carew started, even if you include the Newcastle game.
I think people forget that we were doing OK in 5th place after our first 6 games of the season and yes I know Houllier was on the bench for the Wolves game.
So you are including West Ham where Carew missed four sitters IIRC, Everton where we defended for most of the match and a Blackburn league game where we only scored because Carew was taken off for Heskey. And I don't even know why you are including a Norwegian match as they have no bearing on Villa or who is in charge. And as for the Newcastle match, Carew disappeared after 12 mins when he missed the pen.
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When Carew joined he came as an idle troublesome bastard who played when he wanted and spent most of the season upsetting his manager and club.
He continued in the same style, only scoring goals against poorer clubs and usually only when he was in trouble with the manager and the club or the season was over.
Despite the desire for some to build him into a legend, to rewrite the facts, time and again he remains the same twat he was before he joined.
Next to Ireland, another 'Legend' in the making he remains top of my get rid list.
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His other 4 starts Pre-Houllier were wins over West Ham, Everton and Blackburn(LC) and Norway's Euro Championship qualifier win over Portugal. So yes, we did pretty well in the games Carew started, even if you include the Newcastle game.
I think people forget that we were doing OK in 5th place after our first 6 games of the season and yes I know Houllier was on the bench for the Wolves game.
So you are including West Ham where Carew missed four sitters IIRC, Everton where we defended for most of the match and a Blackburn league game where we only scored because Carew was taken off for Heskey. And I don't even know why you are including a Norwegian match as they have no bearing on Villa or who is in charge. And as for the Newcastle match, Carew disappeared after 12 mins when he missed the pen.
I'm including those games because I was asked about the games he started before Houllier took over. I'm sorry if 4 wins from 5 games started doesn't give you the answer you were hoping for.
If you want to insist that those games were won in spite of Carew it is up to you.
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I'd rather we'd kept Carew and got rid of Houllier, I'm sure the results would have been a lot better.
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His other 4 starts Pre-Houllier were wins over West Ham, Everton and Blackburn(LC) and Norway's Euro Championship qualifier win over Portugal. So yes, we did pretty well in the games Carew started, even if you include the Newcastle game.
I think people forget that we were doing OK in 5th place after our first 6 games of the season and yes I know Houllier was on the bench for the Wolves game.
So you are including West Ham where Carew missed four sitters IIRC, Everton where we defended for most of the match and a Blackburn league game where we only scored because Carew was taken off for Heskey. And I don't even know why you are including a Norwegian match as they have no bearing on Villa or who is in charge. And as for the Newcastle match, Carew disappeared after 12 mins when he missed the pen.
I'm including those games because I was asked about the games he started before Houllier took over. I'm sorry if 4 wins from 5 games started doesn't give you the answer you were hoping for.
If you want to insist that those games were won in spite of Carew it is up to you.
It's pretty hard to see how he made a convincing contribution to any of them, given Somniloquism's summary.
Do you think he did well for us this season? Really, honestly?
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What's a game for Norway got to do with the Villa though?
Are we going to include games for Bulgaria for Petrov or USA for Bradley too now?
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When Carew joined he came as an idle troublesome bastard who played when he wanted and spent most of the season upsetting his manager and club.
He continued in the same style, only scoring goals against poorer clubs and usually only when he was in trouble with the manager and the club or the season was over.
Despite the desire for some to build him into a legend, to rewrite the facts, time and again he remains the same twat he was before he joined.
Next to Ireland, another 'Legend' in the making he remains top of my get rid list.
You won't find any argument from me about sticking to the facts.
When it comes to Carew playing for Villa under Martin O'Neill, only Hitchens, Hately, Gray, Ford, Thompson, Platt and Dougan have a better post-war goals per game record. That's a fact.
So since I started watching Villa in the mid 70s, I've only seen 2 players with a better goalscoring record than John Carew had when playing for Martin O'Neill.
For me, that puts him a good deal closer to legend than twat.
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Didn't he hit the post twice against Blues?
I feel that feel always side with Houllier even though it's not just a case of one falling - Carew, Ireland, Warnock, Beye, Davies
When it happens several times, you have to wonder if the players have a point?
I feel GH has treated certain players very badly indeed.
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I think McAllister is a bigger problem than Houllier.
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I'd rather we'd kept Carew and got rid of Houllier, I'm sure the results would have been a lot better.
Possibly, but the results were crap really before Houllier started. I would much rather Bent now then Carew. The same deficiencies in play were there even before he arrived. Last minute goals scored against us, strikers not scoring, defenders not up to it.
I do reckon that if Houllier was not ill we would have got better from the last few matches as I agree with Leeg, it is more McAllister who is the issue. Even with his recent utterings in the press, he has shown to be a bigger tool then Gerrard has been this season.
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Carew has been better than many strikers for us, but that maybe says something about the standard of centre forward we have had in modern times. Questionable attitude, not consistant enough but unplayable on his (occasional) day, i think the time was right for him or Heskey to move on anyway. The manager obviously preffered Heskey. Houllier hasn't exactly covered himself in glory with building good working relationships with quite a few players, reading between the lines. Whoever is in charge next season, whether he's been popular with the fans or not, it would be a waste of time re signing him, and i hope he's played his last game for us.