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Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: olaftab on May 01, 2011, 10:11:23 PM

Title: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: olaftab on May 01, 2011, 10:11:23 PM
Sad to hear of Henry's death today at the age of 76.  Great boxer and a fantastic human being. Now days  heavy weight  sector is laughable Henry was around in the great era of boxing and  still to me  the greatest British boxer ever.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2011, 10:14:20 PM
However good he may have been as a boxer and whatever he was like as a man (I don't know about the latter so I can't comment), he probably did more than anyone to make boxing popular in Britain. 
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 01, 2011, 10:18:38 PM
However good he may have been as a boxer and whatever he was like as a man (I don't know about the latter so I can't comment), he probably did more than anyone to make boxing popular in Britain. 
Robbed twice as well.Against Clay the cheating sod,and the British title fight against Bugner.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2011, 10:20:37 PM
However good he may have been as a boxer and whatever he was like as a man (I don't know about the latter so I can't comment), he probably did more than anyone to make boxing popular in Britain. 
Robbed twice as well.Against Clay the cheating sod,and the British title fight against Bugner.

First one he wasn't robbed at all, second was a disputed decision but a long way off the robbery he claimed.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 01, 2011, 10:27:10 PM
However good he may have been as a boxer and whatever he was like as a man (I don't know about the latter so I can't comment), he probably did more than anyone to make boxing popular in Britain. 
Robbed twice as well.Against Clay the cheating sod,and the British title fight against Bugner.

First one he wasn't robbed at all, second was a disputed decision but a long way off the robbery he claimed.
However good he may have been as a boxer and whatever he was like as a man (I don't know about the latter so I can't comment), he probably did more than anyone to make boxing popular in Britain. 
Robbed twice as well.Against Clay the cheating sod,and the British title fight against Bugner.

First one he wasn't robbed at all, second was a disputed decision but a long way off the robbery he claimed.
The glove split by itself.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 01, 2011, 10:28:24 PM
A true legend in every sense of the world.

RIP
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2011, 10:32:33 PM
The glove split by itself.

It did - Harry Carpenter did a programme about it some years ago which showed that the glove was spilt during the round and the interval was something like 64 seconds.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: RodtheVillan on May 01, 2011, 10:35:35 PM
Some years ago, when asked who had hit him the hardest, Ali replied almost immediately  'Henry Cooper'.

One of our greatest ever sportsmen.

RIP
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 01, 2011, 10:36:13 PM
Here's a fact for you - his death means Margaret Thatcher is now the only living person from the Norwegian football rant.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: Bald Eagle on May 01, 2011, 10:42:25 PM
The glove split by itself.

It did - Harry Carpenter did a programme about it some years ago which showed that the glove was spilt during the round and the interval was something like 64 seconds.
I have recently read Reg Gutteridges book and he also stated that he noticed Alis glove was split in the previous round. "Our Enry" is a sad loss to those of us who can remember when the British Heaveyweight title was worth winning.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2011, 10:43:57 PM
RIP Sir Henry.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: Karlos96 on May 01, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
RIP Sir Henry a British boxing legend. With regards to the split glove I have just finished reading a book Muhammad Ali his life and times. In the book Angelo Dundee says that Ali split his glove in the first round near the thumb he spotted it and told him to keep his hand closed. Dundee then goes on to say after the fourth round while they were working on him in the corner he helped the split a little and made the ref aware of the torn glove. Dundee says he didn't know how much time it got them maybe a minute but it was enough, if they hadn't gotten the extra time he wasn't sure what would of happened.
Title: Re: Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 01, 2011, 11:34:13 PM
Here's a fact for you - his death means Margaret Thatcher is now the only living person from the Norwegian football rant.

That is a fantastic fact, one I am stealing immediately.
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: Bald Eagle on May 01, 2011, 11:55:13 PM
Here's a fact for you - his death means Margaret Thatcher is now the only living person from the Norwegian football rant.

That is a fantastic fact, one I am stealing immediately.
Lets hope that that fact doesent last too long.
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 02, 2011, 12:03:37 AM
RIP, a great boxer and from what I've been told, a top notch lad too.
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 02, 2011, 12:10:25 AM
RIP Sir Henry a British boxing legend. With regards to the split glove I have just finished reading a book Muhammad Ali his life and times. In the book Angelo Dundee says that Ali split his glove in the first round near the thumb he spotted it and told him to keep his hand closed. Dundee then goes on to say after the fourth round while they were working on him in the corner he helped the split a little and made the ref aware of the torn glove. Dundee says he didn't know how much time it got them maybe a minute but it was enough, if they hadn't gotten the extra time he wasn't sure what would of happened.

It was four seconds. Nice story, but untrue.
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: Karlos96 on May 02, 2011, 12:40:13 AM
I assume the part about helping the tear along is true because it was an interview with Dundee where he admitted doing it. I doubt it made that much difference because there were no spare gloves so Ali had to fight on with the torn gloves.
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 02, 2011, 12:44:35 AM
Dundee may have helped the tear a bit, but it made no real difference to the outcome of the fight. Henry could punch but he cut way too easily. Look at footgae of the rematch for some of the most horrific injuries you could ever imagine. 
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: Bald Eagle on May 02, 2011, 12:48:42 AM
I remember that fight. The blood was streaming down Henrys face and chest.
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: Karlos96 on May 02, 2011, 12:59:57 AM
I've saw the second fight that was always Coopers downfall he cut far too easily. I was just mentioning Dundee's side of the story as people always make out Ali cheated. Ali was by far the better boxer it would have been interesting though, if Henry had caught him a minute early in the fourth round because Ali was in trouble.
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: The Left Side on May 02, 2011, 02:29:51 AM
RIP Sir Henry
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: darren woolley on May 02, 2011, 10:52:14 AM
RIP Henry he was a good man and a great british boxer sad news to hear of his loss i just wish i was around to see some of his fights he seemed a really top man i just wish that there where more like Henry around today.
Title: Re: Sir Henry Cooper dead.
Post by: aev on May 07, 2011, 09:12:18 AM
On Sky they replayed the programme he did did with Dickie Davis. Cooper said that if he had landed the punch a little away from the ropes that helped break Ali's fall then he thinks the result may have been different.

Henry Cooper came across as an engaging, intelligent and caring person, which is I guess why so many people loved him.

As John Rawling wrote...."when asked to explain Henry's enduring popularity, I would explain that if he were to be offered £10,000 to make an after-dinner speech, and it clashed with an unpaid appearance at a boys' club when he had given his word that he would attend, Henry would unhesitatingly refuse the fat cheque and be there for the youngsters. He was a good boxer, but an outstanding man."

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