Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2011, 11:10:05 AM
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Oscar time for me.
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Some of your posts have been good in the last 12 months but I don't think any of them deserve an award.
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It'll be a turkey.
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I'm going for Dusty Carpet.... never been beaten
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For work reasons, I hate the Cheltenham -> Grand National period.
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If Tim the Villan is reading this....
Don't go for a curry in Liverpool the week after the Grand National as the meat is sourced from Beechers Brook.
I hear that one year at the Toxteh Tandoori they found a horses ear in the Chicken Madras.
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Oscar time for me.
The Councillor is running?
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Form Horse Age/Wgt Owner Trainer/Probable Jockey
1) P1-P000 DON'T PUSH IT (IRE) 11-11-10 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill/Tony McCoy
2) 04-3226 TIDAL BAY (IRE) 10-11-09 Andrea & Graham Wylie Howard Johnson/Brian Hughes
3) 211-524 WHAT A FRIEND 8-11-06 Ged Mason & Sir Alex Ferguson Paul Nicholls/Daryl Jacob
4) 1B-0044 VIC VENTURI (IRE) 11-11-06 Seamus Dunne Dessie Hughes IRE/Andrew Lynch
5) U62/1-31 MAJESTIC CONCORDE (IRE) 8-11-05 Dr Ronan Lambe Dermot Weld IRE/Mr Robbie McNamara
6) 42F14 OR NOIR DE SOMOZA (FR) 9-11-05 Filsal Stadeg Racing David Pipe/Tom Scudamore
7) 1F24-41 DOONEYS GATE (IRE) 10-11-04 Jackie Mullins Willie Mullins IRE/Mr Patrick Mullins
8) 14-2F44 BIG FELLA THANKS 9-11-01 Crossed Fingers Partnership Ferdy Murphy/Graham Lee
9) 205-244 THE TOTHER ONE (IRE) 10-11-00 Graham Roach Paul Nicholls/Mr Ryan Mahon
10) 111-112 BALLABRIGGS (IRE) 10-11-00 Trevor Hemmings Donald McCain/Jason Maguire
11) 3133-21 THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 10-10-13 Susannah Ricci Willie Mullins IRE/Ruby Walsh
12) 20P-F50 NICHE MARKET (IRE) 10-10-13 Graham Regan Paul Nicholls/Harry Skelton
13) 121-001 SILVER BY NATURE 9-10-12 Geoff Brown Lucinda Russell/Peter Buchanan
14) 0BP-500 BACKSTAGE (FR) 9-10-12 MPR & Capranny Syndicate Gordon Elliott IRE/Paul Carberry
15) 11-053F CHIEF DAN GEORGE (IRE) 11-10-12 Maurice Chapman Jimmy Moffatt/Paddy Aspell
16) 4-56242 CALGARY BAY (IRE) 8-10-10 Camilla Radford Henrietta Knight/Hadden Frost
17) 2P-2536 KILLYGLEN (IRE) 9-10-10 David McCammon Stuart Crawford IRE/Robert Power
18) 152-263 OSCAR TIME (IRE) 10-10-09 Robert Waley-Cohen/Sir Martin & S Broughton Martin Lynch IRE/ Mr Sam Waley-Cohen
19) 10-1131 QUINZ (FR) 7-10-08 Andrew Cohen Philip Hobbs/Richard Johnson
20) 500423 NORTHERN ALLIANCE (IRE) 10-10-08 Irish Rover Syndicate Tony Martin IRE/Barry Geraghty
21) 2212-42 BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE (IRE) 8-10-08 Noel Glynn Noel Glynn IRE/Davy Russell
22) 000-06P COMPLY OR DIE (IRE) 12-10-08 David Johnson David Pipe/Timmy Murphy
23) F-FF25P QUOLIBET (FR) 7-10-08 J P McManus Jonjo O’Neill/Mark Walsh
24) 1FP10P GRAND SLAM HERO (IRE) 10-10-07 Walters Plant Hire Ltd Nigel Twiston-Davies/Aidan Coleman
25) 6/454-P6 ROLL ALONG (IRE) 11-10-07 Bryan & Philippa Burrough Nigel Twiston-Davies/Wayne Hutchinson
26) 0/144/P3- STATE OF PLAY 11-10-06 William & Angela Rucker Evan Williams/Paul Moloney
27) 11-11P5 KING FONTAINE (IRE) 8-10-06 Trevor Hemmings Malcolm Jefferson/Denis O’Regan
28) U-3431U IN COMPLIANCE (IRE) 11-10-05 Westerly Breeze Syndicate Dessie Hughes IRE/Leighton Aspell
29) 005P-1P HELLO BUD (IRE) 13-10-05 Seamus Murphy Nigel Twiston-Davies/Sam Twiston-Davies
30) P/00-11P WEST END ROCKER (IRE) 9-10-05 Barry Winfield & Tim Leadbeater Alan King/Robert Thornton
31) 200010 SANTA'S SON (IRE) 11-10-05 Douglas Pryde & Jim Beaumont Howard Johnson/Jamie Moore
32) C21-046 BLUESEA CRACKER (IRE) 9-10-04 J P McManus James Motherway IRE/Andrew McNamara
33) 01050 THAT'S RHYTHM (FR) 11-10-04 Don't Tell Henry Martin Todhunter/James Reveley
34) P2/111/-0 SURFACE TO AIR 10-10-04 Tim Urry Chris Bealby/Tom Messenger
35) P-234PP PIRAYA (FR) 8-10-04 Terry Neill David Pipe/Johnny Farrelly
36) 6F-0P5P CAN'T BUY TIME (IRE) 9-10-04 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill/Richie McLernon
37) 0-30563 CHARACTER BUILDING (IRE) 11-10-04 Patricia Thompson John Quinn/Miss Nina Carberry
38) 15/1P/-52 ORNAIS (FR) 9-10-04 The Stewart Family Paul Nicholls/Nick Scholfield
39) U2U-0P2 ARBOR SUPREME (IRE) 9-10-03 J P McManus Willie Mullins IRE/David Casey
40) 013111- OUR MONTY (IRE) 8-10-03 Colland Sand & Gravel Ltd Willie Mullins IRE/Ms Katie Walsh
Reserves
41) P5U-42P ROYAL ROSA (FR) 12-10-03 Andrea & Graham Wylie Howard Johnson/Paul Gallagher
42) 313-011 SKIPPERS BRIG (IRE) 10-10-02 Ashleybank Investments Limited Nicky Richards/Dominic Elsworth
43) 210010 GOLDEN KITE (IRE) 9-10-02 Dr Anthony Calnan Adrian Maguire IRE/Shane Hassett
44) 006004 ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 10-10-02 Mr & Mrs Peter James Douglas Peter Bowen/???
I fancied Surface to Air a couple of years ago before he was injured. He had made mincemeat of successive 10lb handicap rises, winning 10 lengths each time including the Midlands National at Uttoxeter. They have given him a blow out over hurdles a few weeks ago. If he's fully fit, he could go well for a place at a big price.
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Ever wondered why Becher's Brook at Aintree is so named? In the 1839 race Captain Martin Becher was thrown from his horse at the notorious fence and took shelter in the small brook beneath it while the other riders jumped over. You can see the incident in the pic below.
(http://www.colorsport.co.uk/media/images/galleries/CAPT_BECHER_1839_GRAND_NATI.jpg)
Captain Becher (in yellow) sheltering in the brook, after being thrown off Conrad during the first Grand National in 1839. Becher reputedly waited for the other horses to negotiate the jump before remounting and setting off in persuit of the field, only to be thrown off again at the next brook. He later remarked that he "never realised how disgusting water tasted without the benefits of whisky". Although at the time considered to be the fourth running of the Grand Liverpool chase, the three races prior to the 1839 meet were relatively poorly organised and are now merely considered precursors to the National proper. Therefore Becher, who won the first meeting in 1836, was destined not to go down in history as a National winner, but instead has forever after given his name to the course's most famous, and perilous, obstacle.
I love it when I find out little snippets of info like that and learn something new. For a start I thought it was Beeches Brook!
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im going for Creosote, it's good over fences :o
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I love National Hunt Racing but hate the national. The whole meeting has descended into a Ascot like fashion (of a sort) show where even the Aintree website describes the meeting as a "social event". I'm sick of seeing publicity seekers like Colleen Rooney parading about with as much interest in the racing as a pig has in a holiday brochure.
Behind all the bullshit, bluster and fake tan there is a quality race meeting taking place where, with the exception if the National, there are some cracking horses running. I shall have a punt on most races with the exception of the 4.15 on Saturday.
As my old man always says at this time of year: Grand National day in the bookies, like Christmas Day in the pub.
Give me Cheltenham any time.
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How about a H & V Grand National sweepstake, no money but just for the fun of it ?
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CALGARY BAY e/w for me.Just a heads up Paddy Power are paying the first six in the Masters.
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Going for V-NEC, heard its a nice jumper.
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Grand Slam Hero, 66/1 yesterday, if you like a each way bet, get on,
you can thank me later
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Can't stand horse racing, the National is the second biggest Springtime non event for me after the boat race...
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How about a H & V Grand National sweepstake, no money but just for the fun of it ?
How might we organise it?
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How about a H & V Grand National sweepstake, no money but just for the fun of it ?
How might we organise it?
Easy.
Right, I've randomized the horses on a document on my PC.
Pick a number between 1 & 44 (to include the reserves, tough if you don't get a runner) and I'll tell you which hoss you've got, I'll take the last one left unless someone pips me to it before I get chance to nick it.
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How about a H & V Grand National sweepstake, no money but just for the fun of it ?
How might we organise it?
Easy.
Right, I've randomized the horses on a document on my PC.
Pick a number between 1 & 44 (to include the reserves, tough if you don't get a runner) and I'll tell you which hoss you've got, I'll take the last one left unless someone pips me to it before I get chance to nick it.
That's exactly how I would have done it if I wasn't a lazy bastard. I'll take number 11 if you don't mind :-)
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Northern Alliance for me.
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I'll take #12. Or 15. Or 22 please Dave.
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8 please
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I'll have 7 please Mr Cooper.
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I'll take number 11 if you don't mind :-)
You get: Big Fella Thanks
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Northern Alliance for me.
Pick a fucking number between 1 & 44 you ******.
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I'll take #12. Or 15. Or 22 please Dave.
One number please
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8 please
Calgary Bay
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I'll have 7 please Mr Cooper.
Chief Dan George
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25 please.
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23 please.
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14
but I like Nina Carberry chances.
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15 ta!
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17
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25 please.
Don't Push It
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23 please.
Grand Slam Hero
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14
Ornais
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15 ta!
The T'other One
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17
State of Play
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Number 5 please.
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Dave.....Hit me with 33.
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Number 5 please.
Comply Or Die
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Dave.....Hit me with 33.
The Midnight Club
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Slight change of plan, no one has drawn a reserve yet so I've removed them, if your horse is pulled you'll get the reserve that comes in in it's place.
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Dave.....Hit me with 33.
The Midnight Club
:) Nice one, thats the 8/1 favourite :)
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I'll take #12. Or 15. Or 22 please Dave.
I've decide to take your first number, so you get:
Quolibet
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13 for me please
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Can I have Number 2 if nobody else has had it?
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Can I have 37 please?
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13 for me please
Can't Buy Time
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Can I have Number 2 if nobody else has had it?
Arbor Supreme
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Can I have 37 please?
Character Building
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Can I have 37 please?
Character Building
Nina Carberry - First woman to win the National?
Always worth a punt on her horses when she rides in England. She only bothers with best.
Then Paddy her brother is equally astute in picking out a good runner. Nina will stay out of trouble and should do well. CB can jump and has good form and stamina. strong E/w
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Can I have 34 please Dave ?
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Can I have 34 please Dave ?
Santa's Son
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many left Dave ?
if so, I will have the lowest number still available.
cheers
UTV
The Doc
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many left Dave ?
if so, I will have the lowest number still available.
Number 1 then!
Ballabriggs
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many left Dave ?
if so, I will have the lowest number still available.
Number 1 then!
Ballabriggs
cheers
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I'll take number 11 if you don't mind :-)
You get: Big Fella Thanks
Interesting, I hadn't really considered it. Was joint fav last year and looked to have a great chance 3 out before seeming to run out of steam. I'll throw a fiver on all the same.
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39 please!
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39 please!
Dooney's Gate
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Any numbers left Dave?
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Any numbers left Dave?
Loads.
3,4,6,9,10,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,24,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,35,36,38,40
Not really that popular this!
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Number 9 please.
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Number 9 please.
Niche Market
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No. 19 please
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No. 19 please
Bluesea Cracker
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18 please.
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18 please.
Silver By Nature
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27 please
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16 please
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No. 19 please
Thank you.
Bluesea Cracker
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May I have number 40 please, Dave?
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27 please
Our Monty
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16 please
Killyglen
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May I have number 40 please, Dave?
Oscar Time
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Numbers left:
3,4,6,16,17,20,21,22,24,26,28,29,30,31,32,35,36,38
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Thanks.
I see it comes with your recommendation! (sorry!)
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I mean RVB's
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31 please
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right who got this beauty ?
510-1131 QUINZ (FR) 7 10-08
Philip Hobbs Richard Johnson
Impressive winner of Racing Post Chase at Kempton in February. Owned by Birmingham City fan Andrew Cohen, who also had dual National runner-up Suny Bay. Stable had runner-up What's Up Boys in 2002 and are great at getting one ready for a big race. Statistics are against seven-year-old horses winning this race, however.
Rating: 8/10 Odds: 20-1
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I'll take number 21.
If there's any left over I'll have number 20 and number 4.
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Can I have 30 please.
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I'm betting on Razzle Subscriber - It's always first to the post.
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I'll have 6 if some still going
or Backstage if hasn't been taken..one of the Carberry's is due a win.
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31 please
Backstage
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I'll take number 21.
If there's any left over I'll have number 20 and number 4.
You can have all 3, I don't care!
Skippers Brig
Quinz
King Fontaine
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I'll have 6 if some still going
Majestic Concorde
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Numbers Left:
3,10,22,24,26,28,29,30,32,35,36,38
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3 please.
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3 please.
Becauseicouldntsee
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10 please
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Could dave clark five have 22 please.
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Thanks, sincerely, for my allocation but I still think
Character Building
Backstage
Silver by Nature
are better options.
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10 please
That's Rhythm
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Could dave clark five have 22 please.
In Compliance
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My bets:
Silver by Nature
Oscar Time
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38 please.
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38 please.
Or Noir de Somoza
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Bloody hell, game over at the first fence for me.
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Ironically, No 10 at the race won.
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Dr Butler wins the sweepstake.
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Well done Dr B.
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I got £19.50 back on a £1 e/w on the winner.
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Oscar time for me.
Thanks. Got a bit of money back. Made up for the losses on John e's tip.
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So how many horses died this year? My Grandad who loved his weekly flutters always ignored the Grand national as he called it the cruellest race around.
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Got first in the worksweep and second and third at the bookies. Won about £50ish. Good stuff.
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Nice of the BBC to avoid any unpleasant references in commentary to the poor horses that died and no mention on their 'sport' web site. Shame on them
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Nice of the BBC to avoid any unpleasant references in commentary to the poor horses that died and no mention on their 'sport' web site.
Wrong. Fifth paragraph.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/9451559.stm
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So how many horses died this year? My Grandad who loved his weekly flutters always ignored the Grand national as he called it the cruellest race around.
I hate horse racing but particularly loathe the Grand National for this very reason.
Still, only two horses died this year....pretty good really as long as you had a nice day out or won some money
When's Wimbledon because I don't watch tennis for the other 52 weeks of the year either?
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There's no need to put the animals through this when you can have reasonable distances and fences and still have quality races such as this years Gold Cup. I am aware that horses can suffer fatal injury in standard races, but the make-up of the GN increases the risk significantly. Following a number of deaths at Cheltenham the course management re-sited the second last fence and this is continually reviewed resulting in a reduction in the fatality rate.
With the sport in something of a crisis and Racing For Change attempting to promote a more positive image for the sport, any good work is instantly undone by this unedifying spectacle.
The fences should be downsized and the distance reduced to 3 and half miles, and while we at it, ban the whip altogether.
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Oscar time for me.
thankyou very much. i had him each way on your advice....only doubled my money but damn i enjoyed the race because of his performance!
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I'm no expert in animal behaviour, but if the race is so cruel and the horses are only doing it under some form of duress, why do so many that fall/unseat their riders then carry on at full gallop, including jumping the fences?
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I'm no expert in animal behaviour, but if the race is so cruel and the horses are only doing it under some form of duress, why do so many that fall/unseat their riders then carry on at full gallop, including jumping the fences?
Because that is all they have known all their life.
I'm not against Horse racing per se but the GN fences are some of the tallest and widest in the sport and horses are more likely to fall and injure themselves on these then any other. And in this sport an injured horse is normally a dead horse as most owners will not want a horse that cannot race.
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I'm no expert in animal behaviour, but if the race is so cruel and the horses are only doing it under some form of duress, why do so many that fall/unseat their riders then carry on at full gallop, including jumping the fences?
They are trained to jump and it's generally accepted that they do "enjoy" racing although some will run around an obstacle rather than jump it, and some refuse to run altogether as had happened at Aintree earlier this week.
The size of the fences is the issue and the animal will attempt to jump having no comprehension of the danger. The distance is also a concern and it's notable how many horses are pulled up long before the final stages. The Gold Cup is just over 3 miles and the National is four and a half, and there is a marked difference in the condition of many horses at the end of each of those races.
On a side note, the winning jockey has recieved a ban for excessive use of the whip on Ballabrigs and it's not his first this season either.
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On a side note, the winning jockey has recieved a ban for excessive use of the whip on Ballabrigs and it's not his first this season either.
Is that why the horse wasn't rode into the winning ring? Too bloodied?
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I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but I believe if the whipping leaves the horse marked then the stewards will take action including reviewing the video.
After the horse has run its bollocks off for four miles I don't believe it deserves to be whipped at all, a view shared by my dad who loves his racing and bizarrely by John McCririck. The argument for the whip is that it helps control the horse but if you look back at yesterdays race it didn't appear that the jockey was doing anything of the sort.
Maguire dismounted so that they could douse the horse with water, there was the added factor of unusually high temperatures yesterday.
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Ballabriggs was dehydrated which is why Maguire jumped straight off to get some water on the horse.
The 2 horse deaths don't make good viewing especially for people who have not seen a race since this time last year.
How to make the race safer without taking away the uniqueness of the event is going to be tricky.
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Dr Butler wins the sweepstake.
Get in there........... I got first, second and fourth, cheers everyone !
UTV
the Doc
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I got first, as me and just about everybody else on the Isle of Man went for the Manx owned horse.
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Do Manx horses usually win by a short tail?
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Do Manx horses usually win by a short tail?
Arf! It's the extra leg that gives the advantage.
A bloke I know works for Trevor Hemmings managing his estate in the north of the island, and he and his wife got flown over to Aintree in Trevor's helicopter.
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I'd ban the "sport" tomorrow if I could. The only point in it, it seems to me, is purely for betting purposes. Surely there are other ways of gambling without killing horses unnecessarily. Flat racing I can just about tolerate, but the height of the fences in the National is a disgrace.