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Title: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: godzvilla on April 06, 2011, 03:39:19 AM


Got this from the BBC Gossip this morning ( D.Mirror story ) ......


Under-pressure Gerard Houllier has surprisingly turned to Glenn Roeder to help Aston Villa beat the drop.

Villa are just two points above the Premier League bottom three ahead of Sunday's crunch home game with Newcastle.

But Roeder's CV is littered with relegations after being sacked by Watford, West Ham and Norwich either before or after going down.

He left his last job in charge of the Canaries in January 2009 before they were eventually relegated to League One.

 But Villa manager Houllier has opted to give Roeder, 55, a scouting role and the ex-defender has become a regular at the club's training ground.

Roeder is spending his time watching Villa's forthcoming opponents and analysing their strengths and weaknesses.

He puts his information in a dossier for Houllier to then prepare Villa accordingly on the training ground.

Roeder has not yet got involved with any coaching at the club and that is not part of his mandate.
But assistant manager Gary McAllister's methods and out-spoken style have not endeared him to Villa's under-performing squad.



I,m suprised ( I guess I,m not really ! )  that none of the local rags  have picked up on the fact that Roeder has " become a regular at the club's training ground " . No doubt there will be a lot of ' between the lines ' speculation going on but I for one am not unhappy that he is helping out nor would I be too disappointed if he eventually replaced the hapless Garry Mac . For all his faults Roeder  is recognised as a good coach , despite being sacked by Newcastle he had a relatively good record there ........................Godzvilla!


Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Tucson Villain on April 06, 2011, 03:43:09 AM
Got to be bleedin' kidding.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on April 06, 2011, 03:44:37 AM
Gerard Houllier, Gary McAllister and Glenn Roeder.  Yuk.  What has happened to our club?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: *shellac* on April 06, 2011, 03:49:30 AM
From Despair to Where?

Soon we will be signing Dean Windass to partner Bent.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 06, 2011, 04:39:45 AM
cue uncontrolled hysteria from some that the walls of Villa are crumbling around us. Honestly, is this really a big deal?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: austin on April 06, 2011, 04:47:24 AM
yep roeder was a chronic failure as a coach and manager when what we need is winners.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 06, 2011, 05:50:04 AM
Personally I think half of the jobs in football are bollox. Directors of football, scout this, scout that.

Paying people gods knows how much to watch forthcoming opponents and preparing dossiers ? Dont managers and the senior coaching staff have TVs and subscriptions to Sky, ESPN etc ?

Clubs create and hand out posts to those out of work who have got bored on the golf course.
Modern football is like the Westminster village, a group of out of touch individuals providing work for each other so they can all pretend they are doing something useful. Most of it is just a form of networking where they spend their days talking rubbish and spouting platitudes to enable them all to keep their snout in the trough.

Pay me just £500 a week and my expenses and I will go round watching all the games. OK I dont have a deep tactical knowledge of football, but I bet if I just listen to the radio and TV too I can bullshit my way through and the dossier I present is no more and no less useful. As I say, its all bollox.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rancid custard on April 06, 2011, 06:16:53 AM
The thing is I wouldn't have much faith in his scouting reports, tactically he's not the sharpest tool in the shed and his win rate is a bit dire, this is the person who'll be giving Houllier dossiers on how to beat teams?!
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Apyadg on April 06, 2011, 06:29:52 AM
Personally I think half of the jobs in football are bollox. Directors of football, scout this, scout that.

Paying people gods knows how much to watch forthcoming opponents and preparing dossiers ? Dont managers and the senior coaching staff have TVs and subscriptions to Sky, ESPN etc ?

This might surprise you after a few years of O'Neill, but some teams have scouts actually leave Britain and look for players who aren't on Match of the Day every week.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 06, 2011, 06:58:07 AM
Personally I think half of the jobs in football are bollox. Directors of football, scout this, scout that.

Paying people gods knows how much to watch forthcoming opponents and preparing dossiers ? Dont managers and the senior coaching staff have TVs and subscriptions to Sky, ESPN etc ?

This might surprise you after a few years of O'Neill, but some teams have scouts actually leave Britain and look for players who aren't on Match of the Day every week.

I said half the jobs, I have no problem with a scouting network abroad. The report said he is specifically employed to watch upcoming opposition, the last time I checked (Rapid Vienna at home in August) we had no upcoming opposition in competitive games from teams abroad for the remainder of this season or for the foreseable future !
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Nev on April 06, 2011, 06:59:44 AM
I can only imagine the faces of the players if he appeared on the training ground, the word "success" is just not in his vocabulary.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: *shellac* on April 06, 2011, 07:01:12 AM
I can only imagine the faces of the players if he appeared on the training ground, the word "success" is just not in his vocabulary.
or "mid-table obscurity".
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Ian. on April 06, 2011, 07:06:47 AM
cue uncontrolled hysteria from some that the walls of Villa are crumbling around us. Honestly, is this really a big deal?
Uncontrolled hysteria? What you suggesting Toronto? Never in a million years would that happen on here.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: richard moore on April 06, 2011, 08:02:58 AM
Personally I think half of the jobs in football are bollox. Directors of football, scout this, scout that.

Paying people gods knows how much to watch forthcoming opponents and preparing dossiers ? Dont managers and the senior coaching staff have TVs and subscriptions to Sky, ESPN etc ?

Clubs create and hand out posts to those out of work who have got bored on the golf course.
Modern football is like the Westminster village, a group of out of touch individuals providing work for each other so they can all pretend they are doing something useful. Most of it is just a form of networking where they spend their days talking rubbish and spouting platitudes to enable them all to keep their snout in the trough.

Pay me just £500 a week and my expenses and I will go round watching all the games. OK I dont have a deep tactical knowledge of football, but I bet if I just listen to the radio and TV too I can bullshit my way through and the dossier I present is no more and no less useful. As I say, its all bollox.

I agree totally, particularly after listening to Ray Wilkins last night - what a numpty, stating the bleedin' obvious over and over

I often think the same when I watch clips of teams training - they never look like they are doing anything more than knocking the ball around to each other and sharing jokes

I have stopped listening to any pre-, during, or post-match analysis of any sort. I sit down to watch a game as the teams come out, go to the loo at half time or do the washing up and turn off immediately the final whistle sounds. Works a treat!
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Matt C on April 06, 2011, 08:18:22 AM
Don't see the problem in him doing some scouting for us. 
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: *shellac* on April 06, 2011, 08:34:30 AM
Don't see the problem in him doing some scouting for us. 
I would prefer him doing some roadie works for Muse.  He might have a chance to get on stage & do some gigs.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Nev on April 06, 2011, 08:41:28 AM
Don't see the problem in him doing some scouting for us. 

When your in the position we're currently in, enlisting someone so readily indentified with failure is hardly a positive move.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2011, 09:52:21 AM
The only thing that ratty looking fucker will bring to the club is Weil's disease.

His CV is like a cesspit in word form.

How can they possibly take seriously his opinion on other teams?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: E I Adio on April 06, 2011, 09:58:24 AM

I have stopped listening to any pre-, during, or post-match analysis of any sort. I sit down to watch a game as the teams come out, go to the loo at half time or do the washing up and turn off immediately the final whistle sounds. Works a treat!

And I thought it was just me. (Not the washing up bit obviously)
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 06, 2011, 09:59:35 AM
I read the headline and thought we'd signed him up as emergency cover at centre half.

Not an appointment to set many pulses racing
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Villa'Zawg on April 06, 2011, 10:00:14 AM
Gerard hands copies of the dossier to the players and says "right lads, read that and then make sure you do the exact opposite of whatever Glen suggests.", that might work.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2011, 10:06:36 AM
Gerard hands copies of the dossier to the players and says "right lads, read that and then make sure you do the exact opposite of whatever Glen suggests.", that might work.
As a player you would have zero respect for what Roeder thinks, he couldn't organise a two car funeral.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: WikiVilla on April 06, 2011, 10:08:48 AM
My God, please tell me this is a wind up
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: supertom on April 06, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
Whenever I picture Glenn Roeder, I can't help but think of him as a poster child for erectile dysfunction. His middle name should be flaccid. Do I want him at the club? No. Is he gonna make things worse or better? I don't think he'll make any difference whatsoever.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 06, 2011, 10:15:33 AM
Quote
His middle name should be flaccid

It's Victor. Just checked
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Olneythelonely on April 06, 2011, 10:15:40 AM
He's scouting. He's not coaching, training or managing. Get a grip.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Merv on April 06, 2011, 10:24:01 AM
Hmmm, an experienced former player, coach and manager doing a bit of scouting for us? This has got disaster written all over it....  ;)
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: WikiVilla on April 06, 2011, 10:26:27 AM
His name is synonymous with failure and relegation. We need winners around the club, not losers
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Chris Smith on April 06, 2011, 10:32:02 AM
My God, please tell me this is a wind up

I thought that but no, it appears that people really have got their knickers in a twist over a relatively minor appointment.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2011, 10:33:16 AM
My God, please tell me this is a wind up

I thought that but no, it appears that people really have got their knickers in a twist over a relatively minor appointment.
Possibly because he's the football equivalent of the Grim Reaper.
His middle name is Victor, it should be Jonah.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 06, 2011, 10:36:02 AM
Roeder is a bit of a clown but watching a few games and telling us how the team likes to line up. Not a problem in my opinion
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: WikiVilla on April 06, 2011, 10:38:26 AM
what next Chris Kamara as Defensive coach
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2011, 10:39:35 AM
According to Wikipedia, horror novelist James Herbert is his agent.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: darren woolley on April 06, 2011, 10:39:59 AM
I must admit i am surprised by him being taken on board by us but let's wait and see if his scouting reports pay off.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: FatSam on April 06, 2011, 10:42:29 AM
His name is synonymous with failure and relegation. We need winners around the club, not losers

He did beat cancer.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: WikiVilla on April 06, 2011, 10:49:38 AM
Wasn't it a brain tumour ?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: FatSam on April 06, 2011, 10:59:15 AM
Wasn't it a brain tumour ?

A brain tumour is cancer.

Apologies - not sure if it was cancerous.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Chris Smith on April 06, 2011, 11:01:50 AM
His name is synonymous with failure and relegation. We need winners around the club, not losers

He did beat cancer.

After preparing a dossier on it for his surgeon.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 06, 2011, 11:03:30 AM
He's doing a bit of scouting for us, just like former players/managers/coaches do for clubs all over the world. Why this should rouse more than the slightest bit of interest I don't know. 
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2011, 11:04:07 AM
His name is synonymous with failure and relegation. We need winners around the club, not losers

He did beat cancer.

After preparing a dossier on it for his surgeon.
You bastard!
(made me laugh though)
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: UsualSuspect on April 06, 2011, 11:07:47 AM
My God, please tell me this is a wind up

I thought that but no, it appears that people really have got their knickers in a twist over a relatively minor appointment.

If it's a minor appointment or not its still connecting him with Villa.

Like Pires

Like Bannan on loan

Like Gabby on the wing

Like Dunne & Collins

Like Ashley in the hole


these things may seem small but when you start combining them its fucking scary
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2011, 11:08:08 AM
Scouting report for Arsenal.

Excellent kitchen with numerous holes for a quick escape route, poison traps are minimal, fridge often left unopened. Potential for gnawing through electrical wires.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: avfcpg on April 06, 2011, 11:08:27 AM
Dear God, he's just doing some scouting for us...what harm can that do? As for we need to be associated with winners etc etc, then maybe someone could name me a few top class scouts that are "winners" and available, off the top of thier head

(that should keep google search busy for a bit).
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: godzvilla on April 06, 2011, 11:09:51 AM
The only thing that ratty looking fucker will bring to the club is Weil's disease.

His CV is like a cesspit in word form.

How can they possibly take seriously his opinion on other teams?

 I think you are being a tad cruel  Rip Van Bentfletch , ( according to Wiki )  under Roeder, Newcastle won the 2006 Intertoto Cup this made Roeder the first manager to win a trophy for Newcastle since 1969 .  Although Newcastle's league form was inconsistent, majorly due to first-team player injuries and having to rely on in-experienced players from United's Youth Academy to compete at top flight level, Newcastle maintained a mid-table position.
Roeder won 45% of his matches, enough in a single season to qualify for European competition . 
 I,m not a big fan of Roeder as a Manager myself but  there is a tendency on this site to overdo the hostility , for all his faults he comes across as a thoroughly decent person who,s Coaching knowledge is widely respected in Footballing circles . So , please , lets lay off the venomous hysteria that passes for reasonable comment on these pages and give the guy a break , he is , after all doing a job of work for the Club we all love and in that we should wish him well , not jump on the Crucifixion bandwagon..................Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 06, 2011, 11:09:56 AM
My God, please tell me this is a wind up

I thought that but no, it appears that people really have got their knickers in a twist over a relatively minor appointment.

If it's a minor appointment or not its still connecting him with Villa.


So?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
He was a close friend of Gascoigne, don't know if that's still the case.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Billy Walker on April 06, 2011, 11:28:36 AM
This is classic media shit-stirring.  So what if he's doing some work for the club?  Every club does this type of thing and will hire all sorts of folk for all sorts of small, stop-gap positions.  I read Nursey's article on this in The Mirror and if ever a non-event of a story was written up and presented to wind up Villa fans than that was it.

 I'm sure Nursey will have plenty more shit-stirring stories lined up for the weeks ahead.  Keep the positivity going and ignore absolute tripe like this would be my view.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Simon Ward on April 06, 2011, 11:29:26 AM
Well said Billy Walker
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on April 06, 2011, 11:31:48 AM
I am sure he is capable of identifying what we need to do to beat team X. Getting players to do it and picking team is completely different ball game. Don't slag him off.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: not3bad on April 06, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
This is classic media shit-stirring.  So what if he's doing some work for the club?  Every club does this type of thing and will hire all sorts of folk for all sorts of small, stop-gap positions.  I read Nursey's article on this in The Mirror and if ever a non-event of a story was written up and presented to wind up Villa fans than that was it.

 I'm sure Nursey will have plenty more shit-stirring stories lined up for the weeks ahead.  Keep the positivity going and ignore absolute tripe like this would be my view.

Spot on.  So Glen Roeder's doing a bit of indformation finding about the opposition.  Does he need to be a great manager or coach to this?  No.  Get a grip people.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Clampy on April 06, 2011, 12:48:18 PM
Only James Nursey would write a negative article like that. Terrible journalists write for terrible papers.

So he's doing a bit of scouting for us, fine by me.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 06, 2011, 01:08:53 PM
Seems odd to me, but maybe GH's just doing him a favour
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 06, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
I liked Roader as a player.

Shame Ian Diwie was busy helping build a neighbours conservatory.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Villa'Zawg on April 06, 2011, 01:25:19 PM
I think the people asking people to get a grip should get a grip.  Things must be bad if we can't have a bit of piss-taking over the involvement of someone like Roeder. I'd like to read Glenn Peen's take on his namesake.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Olneythelonely on April 06, 2011, 01:27:25 PM
I think the people asking people to get a grip should get a grip.  Things must be bad if we can't have a bit of piss-taking over the involvement of someone like Roeder. I'd like to read Glenn Peen's take on his namesake.

I remember the days when you were one of the people constantly asking opeople to get a grip. Ahhhh the good old days. I wish Martin would return.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: ROBBO on April 06, 2011, 01:28:54 PM
Here we go again, if we were mid table this story wouldn't see the light of day and none of us would be interested, only as an item of little interest. It seems some are ready to turn every none item put together by some hack into a major bloody disaster.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: not3bad on April 06, 2011, 01:30:50 PM
I think the people asking people to get a grip should get a grip.  Things must be bad if we can't have a bit of piss-taking over the involvement of someone like Roeder. I'd like to read Glenn Peen's take on his namesake.

I think people telling the people saying get a grip to get a grip should get a grip.  If you want take the piss that's up to you.  I have stats that prove 76.2% of the last 58 piss taking jokes you've cracked have raised smiles for only 13 of the average 35 readers.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 06, 2011, 01:40:57 PM
I think the people asking people to get a grip should get a grip.  Things must be bad if we can't have a bit of piss-taking over the involvement of someone like Roeder. I'd like to read Glenn Peen's take on his namesake.

That's rather rich don't you think? He's been appointed in a minor capacity, and it immediately prompts some to man the lifeboats. How about taking a Zen approach to this non-event, and just accept it and move on. It's not at all a big deal, or worth taking a back handed shot at the club/Houllier/Faulkner over.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 06, 2011, 01:46:41 PM
I think the people asking people to get a grip should get a grip.  Things must be bad if we can't have a bit of piss-taking over the involvement of someone like Roeder. I'd like to read Glenn Peen's take on his namesake.

I think people telling the people saying get a grip to get a grip should get a grip.  If you want take the piss that's up to you.  I have stats that prove 76.2% of the last 58 piss taking jokes you've cracked have raised smiles for only 13 of the average 35 readers.

Which is 3.5 less smiles per 35 readers than Spurscock raises despite a slower net connection.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 06, 2011, 01:57:51 PM
A maritime analogy.

If you appointed the Captain of the Titanic to give you tips on ship driving at least we might stand a chance of avoiding the fucking iceberg.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 06, 2011, 01:59:09 PM
I've lost track of who needs to get a grip.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Villa'Zawg on April 06, 2011, 02:01:35 PM

This is an odd little thread, full of posters angrily insisting we shouldn't be getting worked up.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 06, 2011, 02:04:18 PM
I can understand why people aren't happy really even ignoring his iffy record. It's the face i think - he always look permanently depressed - if a rainy bank holiday had a face, then Roeder's would be it
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: not3bad on April 06, 2011, 02:51:40 PM
I've lost track of who needs to get a grip.

Aston Villa have appointed Gripper Stebson of Grange Hill fame to investigate the matter.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 06, 2011, 03:04:45 PM
What if we got Tord Grip as a scout? would everyone on here be happy then?


Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Bosco81 on April 06, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
Perhaps we'll be signing Nigel Quashie as the playing equivalent of Glenn Roeder.

Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: KevinGage on April 06, 2011, 05:21:35 PM


Paying people gods knows how much to watch forthcoming opponents and preparing dossiers ? Dont managers and the senior coaching staff have TVs and subscriptions to Sky, ESPN etc ?


Problem with that is the camera primarily follows the ball in televised matches, so you don't always get the full picture.  What kind of shape do your future opponents keep with/without the ball, does a certain player switch off and get pulled out of position easily, what type of runs does the forward make and so on. In a televised match you might only become fully aware of any of that if it actually results in a goal or a chance.
It might not in that specific game, but it could still be a weakness to exploit or a strength to be wary of.

Don't see a huge issue with Roeder's input truth be told. It's quite likely that GH and Gary Mac between them have already watched our opponents in advance and have some idea of how they're likely to be set up. He might be just confirming what they already know.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: levico on April 06, 2011, 05:27:09 PM
GH. Gary Mac, Roeder - we are well and truly f*cked.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 06, 2011, 05:29:49 PM
If you ever happen to be watching a game next to a former player, they see it so totally differently you may as well be at a different match.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: TheSandman on April 06, 2011, 05:58:12 PM
I think you are being a tad cruel  Rip Van Bentfletch , ( according to Wiki )  under Roeder, Newcastle won the 2006 Intertoto Cup this made Roeder the first manager to win a trophy for Newcastle since 1969 .  Although Newcastle's league form was inconsistent, majorly due to first-team player injuries and having to rely on in-experienced players from United's Youth Academy to compete at top flight level, Newcastle maintained a mid-table position.
Roeder won 45% of his matches, enough in a single season to qualify for European competition . 
 I,m not a big fan of Roeder as a Manager myself but  there is a tendency on this site to overdo the hostility , for all his faults he comes across as a thoroughly decent person who,s Coaching knowledge is widely respected in Footballing circles . So , please , lets lay off the venomous hysteria that passes for reasonable comment on these pages and give the guy a break , he is , after all doing a job of work for the Club we all love and in that we should wish him well , not jump on the Crucifixion bandwagon..................Godzvilla !

I agree. At most clubs they have any old chump doing the job usually some former player possibly without any record in management. Sort of akin to us sending Paul McGrath out to do the job. At least Roeder has some managerial experience. It is not exactly the most important job in the world or one that Glenn Roeder is under qualified for. Storm in a tea cup.

This is classic media shit-stirring.  So what if he's doing some work for the club?  Every club does this type of thing and will hire all sorts of folk for all sorts of small, stop-gap positions.  I read Nursey's article on this in The Mirror and if ever a non-event of a story was written up and presented to wind up Villa fans than that was it.

 I'm sure Nursey will have plenty more shit-stirring stories lined up for the weeks ahead.  Keep the positivity going and ignore absolute tripe like this would be my view.

Again. This. Media fuelled hysteria. It's almost like they are trying to destabilise the club and the supporters. The only way we can beat relegation is if we all pull in the same direction and get behind the team. They may not deserve it but we should do it. Leave the recriminations for the close season.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: The Left Side on April 06, 2011, 06:00:12 PM
I think Roeder isn't a bad coach, his management has to be questionable with his results/relegation ratio but if he can get the defense working together then give him a shot.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 06, 2011, 06:03:16 PM
Why are people getting so worked up over this?

There are plenty of truly shit, rightly worrying things to get in a strop about, strikes me that "who we send to do a bit of scouting" is pretty far down the gripe list.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: WikiVilla on April 06, 2011, 06:06:39 PM
When a PLC is struggling, they normally get a big hitter in (even if only in a non exec type role) so that the message it sends out is a positive one and the share price is stimulated etc

What we've done here is the exact opposite. Thank God not many of the press have picked up on it (yet)
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Chris Smith on April 06, 2011, 06:54:31 PM
When a PLC is struggling, they normally get a big hitter in (even if only in a non exec type role) so that the message it sends out is a positive one and the share price is stimulated etc

What we've done here is the exact opposite. Thank God not many of the press have picked up on it (yet)

That is quite possibly the most inane post you've ever made and believe me it has had some competition.

He's doing a bit of part time scouting, that's all.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: WikiVilla on April 06, 2011, 06:58:30 PM
the worry is GH / GM will listen to any advice he offers
As surely thats the point in employing him ?
Crazy move
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2011, 07:13:28 PM
Surely this is a bit of a non-story, so what?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Bosco81 on April 06, 2011, 07:43:11 PM
Presumably if we'd appointed Ian Taylor we'd be saying what a genius appointment it is.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 06, 2011, 07:56:34 PM
the worry is GH / GM will listen to any advice he offers
As surely thats the point in employing him ?
Crazy move

Do you ever, ever give it a rest, FFS?

Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Nev on April 06, 2011, 08:05:17 PM
Presumably if we'd appointed Ian Taylor we'd be saying what a genius appointment it is.


I wouldn't. Coaching and management ability comes first, it's nice to have previous links to the club but it's not a pre-requisite.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 06, 2011, 08:08:38 PM
He was a close friend of Gascoigne, don't know if that's still the case.

You want us to enlist Raoul Moat ?
Think thats a non starter now.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Bosco81 on April 06, 2011, 08:24:44 PM
Exactly, the guy is only going to see how the likes of Newcastle line up when they take a corner, something I'm quite pleased we are getting a bit of advice from an experienced coach on.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: olaftab on April 06, 2011, 08:25:27 PM
Oh dear...Glen Roedear!
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: ozzjim on April 06, 2011, 08:34:22 PM
Don't see an issue. Indeed if Roeder came in as a coach and got us to keep 3 clean sheets between now and may coaching our defence, which he has a reputationfor being a good coach - would happily take it.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: bertlambshank on April 06, 2011, 08:52:34 PM
Don't see an issue. Indeed if Roeder came in as a coach and got us to keep 3 clean sheets between now and may coaching our defence, which he has a reputationfor being a good coach - would happily take it.
Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rigadon on April 06, 2011, 10:26:53 PM
Don't see an issue. Indeed if Roeder came in as a coach and got us to keep 3 clean sheets between now and may coaching our defence, which he has a reputationfor being a good coach - would happily take it.
Couldn't agree more.

So, let's see after the weekend then?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 06, 2011, 10:38:40 PM
When a PLC is struggling, they normally get a big hitter in (even if only in a non exec type role) so that the message it sends out is a positive one and the share price is stimulated etc

What we've done here is the exact opposite. Thank God not many of the press have picked up on it (yet)

I understand we've got a new security man starting this week. They haven't said much about that, either.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 06, 2011, 10:45:23 PM
When a PLC is struggling, they normally get a big hitter in (even if only in a non exec type role) so that the message it sends out is a positive one and the share price is stimulated etc

What we've done here is the exact opposite. Thank God not many of the press have picked up on it (yet)

I understand we've got a new security man starting this week. They haven't said much about that, either.

It's madness. He used to work in Waterstones when I was robbing the place blind in my heyday. All the players' wallets will be going missing, you mark my words.

It should be someone with a connection to the club, like Noel Blake.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Villa'Zawg on April 06, 2011, 10:46:32 PM
When a PLC is struggling, they normally get a big hitter in (even if only in a non exec type role) so that the message it sends out is a positive one and the share price is stimulated etc

What we've done here is the exact opposite. Thank God not many of the press have picked up on it (yet)

I understand we've got a new security man starting this week. They haven't said much about that, either.

Has he joined from Brinks-Mat?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rigadon on April 06, 2011, 10:47:15 PM
When a PLC is struggling, they normally get a big hitter in (even if only in a non exec type role) so that the message it sends out is a positive one and the share price is stimulated etc

What we've done here is the exact opposite. Thank God not many of the press have picked up on it (yet)

I understand we've got a new security man starting this week. They haven't said much about that, either.

It's madness. He used to work in Waterstones when I was robbing the place blind in my heyday. All the players' wallets will be going missing, you mark my words.

It should be someone with a connection to the club, like Noel Blake.

Aye, he's your man for spotting the inside job.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: oodman on April 06, 2011, 10:55:34 PM
Lol it gets worse. Is he taking the piss??
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: not3bad on April 06, 2011, 11:08:08 PM
When a PLC is struggling, they normally get a big hitter in (even if only in a non exec type role) so that the message it sends out is a positive one and the share price is stimulated etc

What we've done here is the exact opposite. Thank God not many of the press have picked up on it (yet)

I understand we've got a new security man starting this week. They haven't said much about that, either.

That's a shame because I've heard he's a big hitter.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Archie on April 06, 2011, 11:14:40 PM
Fantastic, what we needed was  a specialist in relegations!
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 06, 2011, 11:52:10 PM
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Roeder is spending his time watching Villa's forthcoming opponents and analysing their strengths and weaknesses.

He puts his information in a dossier for Houllier to then prepare Villa accordingly on the training ground.

Roeder has not yet got involved with any coaching at the club and that is not part of his mandate.

Who cares if he got relegated as a manager or not. He's not come in as a manager, or a coach. Or am I missing something as I really don't see what the hysteria is about.

Surely it isn't a case of moaning and whining just for the sake of it?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: TonyD on April 07, 2011, 12:04:46 AM
It is bit scary if you look at the players we have for the next 7 games.

Says to me that GH is scratching his arse in desparation because him and the Mac are lacking ideas.

Scout or otherwise he is not exactly the sort to give the club confidece.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: atomicjam on April 07, 2011, 12:22:16 AM
Scary?! He is doing a bit of scouting. Thats it. He is looking at teams, formations, strengths, weaknesses. He is well placed to do that. He may of been crap in a few management jobs but why does that equal crap scout? Why is anyone scratching anything? Jesus H, his job is not to give confidence, that is for the management and playing staff.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: TonyD on April 07, 2011, 12:39:22 AM
Scary?! He is doing a bit of scouting. Thats it. He is looking at teams, formations, strengths, weaknesses. He is well placed to do that. He may of been crap in a few management jobs but why does that equal crap scout? Why is anyone scratching anything? Jesus H, his job is not to give confidence, that is for the management and playing staff.

You have said crap a few times.  Exactly what the management structure doesn't need at the moment at VP at the moment regardless.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2011, 01:01:30 AM
Scary?! He is doing a bit of scouting. Thats it. He is looking at teams, formations, strengths, weaknesses. He is well placed to do that. He may of been crap in a few management jobs but why does that equal crap scout? Why is anyone scratching anything? Jesus H, his job is not to give confidence, that is for the management and playing staff.

You have said crap a few times.  Exactly what the management structure doesn't need at the moment at VP at the moment regardless.

He's not part of the management structure. He's not part of anything except looking at a few games for a few weeks and telling the manager which player does what at any given time. I don't suppose there's a single supporter of any other club who could name or cares about who does this sort of job for them and none of us can say whether Glenn Roeder can do it any better or worse than anyone else. Why this is worthy of any comment at all is beyond me.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2011, 02:09:23 AM
Like I said back on page 1. Cue the hysteria. We really do have some right moaning, miserable bastards on here all waving their white flags furiously.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: ozzjim on April 07, 2011, 06:59:47 AM

Don't see an issue. Indeed if Roeder came in as a coach and got us to keep 3 clean sheets between now and may coaching our defence, which he has a reputationfor being a good coach - would happily take it.
Couldn't agree more.

So, let's see after the weekend then?

Rigadon, have you actually read his job role? I was taking it one step further to point out the hysteria is at the least silly, at the most as stupid as a group of grown men running around shouting don't panic before legging it outside because they think the oven timer is a fire alarm.

The bloke is compiling a few match reports. Nothing more. Personally I would give ANYONE a shot at coming onto the coaching team to have a go at sorting the defence, and before he bacame a manager Roeder had a really good reputation as a coach.

The game is littered with great coaches who are pathetic managers, it does not mean they can't scout or coach though. This season has been an eye opener for sure, on here and on the pitch!
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 07, 2011, 01:04:07 PM
I would rather have Rhoda from the 1970's comedy series but I'll give him a chance.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Ian. on April 07, 2011, 01:56:17 PM
It is quite funny to read how worked up over a nothing story people can get. Drama queens!
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: atomicjam on April 07, 2011, 06:01:36 PM
Scary?! He is doing a bit of scouting. Thats it. He is looking at teams, formations, strengths, weaknesses. He is well placed to do that. He may of been crap in a few management jobs but why does that equal crap scout? Why is anyone scratching anything? Jesus H, his job is not to give confidence, that is for the management and playing staff.

You have said crap a few times.  Exactly what the management structure doesn't need at the moment at VP at the moment regardless.

Thanks for that. I have said things you do not agree with- to say I have said crap a few times is a bit out of order. And I 100% do not agree with your post. Is it crap? No, just your opinion.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Rigadon on April 07, 2011, 06:18:50 PM

Don't see an issue. Indeed if Roeder came in as a coach and got us to keep 3 clean sheets between now and may coaching our defence, which he has a reputationfor being a good coach - would happily take it.
Couldn't agree more.

So, let's see after the weekend then?

Rigadon, have you actually read his job role? I was taking it one step further to point out the hysteria is at the least silly, at the most as stupid as a group of grown men running around shouting don't panic before legging it outside because they think the oven timer is a fire alarm.

The bloke is compiling a few match reports. Nothing more. Personally I would give ANYONE a shot at coming onto the coaching team to have a go at sorting the defence, and before he bacame a manager Roeder had a really good reputation as a coach.

The game is littered with great coaches who are pathetic managers, it does not mean they can't scout or coach though. This season has been an eye opener for sure, on here and on the pitch!

Ozzjim, haven't read his job role.  Was more commenting on how we're going to measure his 'appointment' as scout.  I'm not bothered about the players in this particular end-game, more the outcome.  I don't think any of us are really sure that we are a) staying up b) going down.  All we have left to debate is why things play out the way they do so, like I said, we'll see after the game on Sunday.

I'm really hoping we have something positive to debate Sunday night / next week.  We all sorely need it!
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: b23 on April 08, 2011, 12:16:16 PM
What if Villa beat Newcastle on Sunday ?

Will people say that Roeder has played a part in the victory ?
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: *shellac* on April 08, 2011, 12:33:22 PM
Well, yes.  He's an agent afterall.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Olneythelonely on April 08, 2011, 12:49:07 PM
Scary?! He is doing a bit of scouting. Thats it. He is looking at teams, formations, strengths, weaknesses. He is well placed to do that. He may of been crap in a few management jobs but why does that equal crap scout? Why is anyone scratching anything? Jesus H, his job is not to give confidence, that is for the management and playing staff.

You have said crap a few times.  Exactly what the management structure doesn't need at the moment at VP at the moment regardless.

Thanks for that. I have said things you do not agree with- to say I have said crap a few times is a bit out of order. And I 100% do not agree with your post. Is it crap? No, just your opinion.

I think he means you said the word crap a few times.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: Quiet Lion on April 08, 2011, 12:59:51 PM
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   It is quite funny to read how worked up over a nothing story people can get. Drama queens!
     You wait they will be in the Generals thread soon, wailing and moaning, insisting he get Randy to step in and sack Roeder.
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: sfx412 on April 08, 2011, 01:19:01 PM
Like I said back on page 1. Cue the hysteria. We really do have some right moaning, miserable bastards on here all waving their white flags furiously.

The flags with 'Houllier out , bring back Mon' you mean
Title: Re: Villa enlist Glenn Roeder
Post by: not3bad on April 08, 2011, 01:56:57 PM
Like I said back on page 1. Cue the hysteria. We really do have some right moaning, miserable bastards on here all waving their white flags furiously.

The flags with 'Houllier out , bring back Mon' you mean

Certainly the first bit, but then they were out anyway.
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