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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave P on March 30, 2011, 03:23:54 PM
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Seems like Newcastle were hit hard and are still feeling it. Full story here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12901992).
And this is a club with the bestest fans in the whole world and who get 150,000 every home game.
Some clubs aren't geared for relegation and I very much doubt we are either !
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I personally think that relegation will ruin this club and could go the way of Sheffield Wednesday.
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I personally think that relegation will ruin this club and could go the way of Sheffield Wednesday.
You cannot be serious?
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As has been said many times, 88% of our turnover goes on wages.
Pompey's was 90% when they went down.
I don't see how Randy would be able to continue bankrolling the club in the Championship.
The only hope would be an immediate return the season after but that's anything but guaranteed.
Worrying times for us all.
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As has been said many times, 88% of our turnover goes on wages.
Pompey's was 90% when they went down.
I don't see how Randy would be able to continue bankrolling the club in the Championship.
The only hope would be an immediate return the season after but that's anything but guaranteed.
Worrying times for us all.
Agree with that
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I personally think that relegation will ruin this club and could go the way of Sheffield Wednesday.
You cannot be serious?
Why not? ~£100m owed and loads of overpaid player on high and long contracts. Will have to sell most of our best players and will probably have to sell at a reduced fee. Anyone who thinks we wont have serious problems is mad IMO.
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As has been said many times, 88% of our turnover goes on wages.
Pompey's was 90% when they went down.
I don't see how Randy would be able to continue bankrolling the club in the Championship.
The only hope would be an immediate return the season after but that's anything but guaranteed.
Worrying times for us all.
Why not? ~£100m owed and loads of overpaid player on high and long contracts. Will have to sell most of our best players and will probably have to sell at a reduced fee. Anyone who thinks we wont have serious problems is mad IMO.
Eh?
Are you agreeing with me then that we'd be in the shit?
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As has been said many times, 88% of our turnover goes on wages.
Pompey's was 90% when they went down.
I don't see how Randy would be able to continue bankrolling the club in the Championship.
The only hope would be an immediate return the season after but that's anything but guaranteed.
Worrying times for us all.
Why not? ~£100m owed and loads of overpaid player on high and long contracts. Will have to sell most of our best players and will probably have to sell at a reduced fee. Anyone who thinks we wont have serious problems is mad IMO.
Eh?
Are you agreeing with me then that we'd be in the shit?
Sorry, I quoted the wrong message. Was meant to be the one above!
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No doubt that relegation would be an absolute disaster. Given that we're probably losing Friedel, Young (L), Dunne, Warnock, Beye, Pires, Petrov, NRC, Ash, Carew and Ireland anyway, and if relegated probably Downing and Bent as well, although the wage bill would be cut significantly, attracting replacements for them in the Championship would be difficult to say the least. Getting back up just with the youngsters we've got and whatever we could attract would be nigh on impossible. Additionally there would be the knock on effect of loss of gate, TV and other income. It really doesn't bear thinking about
As a slight aside, does anyone know what value the parachute payments are, and how they compare to, say, finishing 17th in the PL?
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My first thoughts would be with the staff at Villa Park who would lose their jobs.
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My first thoughts would be with the staff at Villa Park who would lose their jobs.
I agree with this point, and the fact that relegation would be potentially ruinous.
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Please read this thread if you have had a shit say and want cheering up. Be positive.
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Please read this thread if you have had a shit say and want cheering up. Be positive.
Hard to be positive when the management and players look so unmotivated. They are probably more concerned about which clubs will pay them the most once we're completely fucked.
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i can not believe how much negativity there is amongst the supporters, seems like they want us to be relegated
we all know we have had a disaterous season, but come on.
i was talking too some albion and wolves fans last weekend who believe they will finnish above us and that pissed me off cos if they do then we will go down..surely none of us want that (do we)
so lets stop this negativity and get behind the team instead of against them
keep the faith
be the 12th man
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i can not believe how much negativity there is amongst the supporters
I know.
I can't think what's caused it.
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Nobody wants it surely ??? I started this thread with the intention of knocking that out of people if they did feel like that .
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Newcastle's loss was only £2m more than the previous season.
Obviously they got rid of some high-earners (yes, you Habibb Beye), lost out on TV revenue and had Ashley pump more money in. They did well to come straight back up, I think they're crowds stayed consistently high (comparable to our current average) in the Championship aswell.
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Having worked with the stadium Maintenance staff; it would be a massive shame for them as they would most likely be facing pay cuts at best.
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When we went down with McNeil I bet the cost was negligible?
Now it's unthinkable, the drop in income would be very hard to take for the club
I think we will be ok, 4 Pts from the next 2 games will set us up for a strong finish
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Having worked with the stadium Maintenance staff; it would be a massive shame for them as they would most likely be facing pay cuts at best.
Indeed. Some millionaire's do a shit job, bugger off to get lucrative contracts elsewhere, and the people on average salaries, who may well have done as good a job as they have previously. Very depressing, really, but I guess it happens in other industries as well. It's always the people at the bottom who suffer.
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It wouldn't be a disaster. We'd come straight back up as any half decent club does these days.
It's purely hypothetical though. There's no way we're going down.
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I think the worst thing would be losing some of our great young players.
Albrighton and Clark have already made a fantastic impact on the prem this season, it would only be a better of time before someone came in for them if the worst happened.
I would hope Delph and Bannan would stay but what would Delph do if Leeds went up and came back in for him.
Really dosen't bare thinking about does it?
That said, I do think we'd come back straight up as Newcastle did it.
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Let's beat Everton and the Mags and then we can all start to breathe a lot easier
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Nice to think that we could go down, saunter around some different grounds winning every week and pop back up the next season as if nothing had happened. Sadly it isnt like that, no gaurantee we would come back up and it could set the club back several years. It would not be the end of Aston Villa but it might be the end of us ever being a major Top Flight team again
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So we would lose some overpaid players/manager that got us relegated?It is not something that i want to happen for 100% sure but if we do go down we will still be Aston Villa and i know for damn sure I will still love the club just as much.
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now fx pro have jumped the sinking ship, maybe we could have the samaritans on our shirt next season?
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I don't think we will go down i'm sure but if the unthinkable did happen we will still love our club and we would come back stronger but i really don't think we will get relegated i'm going to remain positive untill the end of the season even in our current plight.
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As has been said many times, 88% of our turnover goes on wages.
Pompey's was 90% when they went down.
I don't see how Randy would be able to continue bankrolling the club in the Championship.
The only hope would be an immediate return the season after but that's anything but guaranteed.
Worrying times for us all.
I agree it's a worry but I'm pretty sure that Randy isn't going to turn his back on his investement so I think he would continue to support the club. That said, I'm still confident that we'll stay up.
I've spoken to 2 different Blues fans this week and they were both convinced that they're going down so this fatalism isn't confined to us.
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As has been said many times, 88% of our turnover goes on wages.
Pompey's was 90% when they went down.
I don't see how Randy would be able to continue bankrolling the club in the Championship.
The only hope would be an immediate return the season after but that's anything but guaranteed.
Worrying times for us all.
Agree with that
Me too
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i can not believe how much negativity there is amongst the supporters
I know.
I can't think what's caused it.
Nor me
I mean we win 1 game in five, have no clue tactically and haven't kept a clean sheet for 20 odd games and surrendered in the FA Cup
Fuck me
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I think we can all agree going by the majority of the posts that going down would be an absolute disaster, but to think not that long ago there were people on here who would have gladly suffered relegation for winning the F.A Cup.
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Please read this thread if you have had a shit say and want cheering up. Be positive.
Hard to be positive when the management and players look so unmotivated. They are probably more concerned about which clubs will pay them the most once we're completely fucked.
I understand that, but I don't want to think about what happens if we go down - as said by others we have 8 cup finals to get behind them and stay up. At least we can say as supporters we did our bit.
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If we go down and are able to come straight back up then it is only bad and we will be able to recover. This immediate return is no given and if we don't manage it that is when the situation goes from bad to disastrous. Randy might be willing to invest to seal that immediate return and keep some good high earning players. This is the situation we saw with Newcastle. Through a combination of that and nobody wanting to sign players who played below their level in the previous season they were able to keep a lot of good players. After a first failed return we will most likely see the tap of investment turned off. If we don't come straight back up we will be trapped in a downward spiral. Look at Leeds, Norwich, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday and Coventry. All big clubs who went down and did not seal a quick promotion. Just as they have no god given right to be Premier League sides and sweep all before them in the second tier we don't. We may go down another division or be stuck perpetually in the lower reaches of the second division. So that is why an immediate return is necessary but by no means certain.
I think the worst effects will not be on the balance sheet however, but on the playing staff. My personal belief is that we will lose our best young players. We have already seen links to Liverpool for Albrighton and Man United for Clark. These lads may be young but they have the makings of top players and top sides would be crazy not to bid for them. A few others might get offers from top flight sides too. I personally believe that we will have more trouble shifting the senior players than these guys. Of the senior players it will be easy to find takers for the likes of Young, Downing and Bent. We will probably still have a decent enough team in the Championship. Houllier will probably be sacked meaning that guys who otherwise would have left might be willing to stay to get us back up. See for example Petrov, Dunne, Collins and a few others all of whom are well capable of doing well in the championship. Add to this a few players with an affinity to the club such as Gabby might stay. We will have a good team but it will be a big loss to see our good young players leave.
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I'm having a break from this board until the end of the season, its just too fucking depressing.
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now fx pro have jumped the sinking ship, maybe we could have the samaritans on our shirt next season?
Let's put acorns back on the shirt. We did alright with them!
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The curse of the shirt sponsor
LDV
cDWS
Mita Copiers
Davenports
All gone tits up
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MG Rover too
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Whilst I agree, we are in a relegation battle, some of the stuff on this thread is a bit hysterical.
Portsmouth had a similar wages to turnover ratio to us, but it wasn't just that which cause them ruination. Their owner effectively turned his back on the club.
If Randy turned his back on us a year ago, or right now, it'd be ruinous, but nobody was complainng about that when we were spending a fortune (as recently as three months ago).
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I think we can all agree going by the majority of the posts that going down would be an absolute disaster, but to think not that long ago there were people on here who would have gladly suffered relegation for winning the F.A Cup.
if it were possible, i still would
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I personally think that relegation will ruin this club and could go the way of Sheffield Wednesday.
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some of the stuff on this thread is a bit hysterical
like the bit above naming coventry fuckin city as having been a once big club - do me a favour!
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The cost of relegation? Cheaper tickets, particularly at away games.
We've been relegated three times in my time as supporter and amazingly, the world kept turning, the true fans stuck with the club and we all enjoyed the ride back.
I don't want it to happen again, but if it does I won't sit there crying my eyes out waiting for the TV cameras to zoom in on me.
The only people who have a genuine reason to be scared of relegation are those whose livelihoods depend on it, like club staff. For the rest of us it's all part of the adventure.
We're not going down anyway, stop worrying.
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The next 2 games will decide our season,0 or 1 point we are done, 2 points and we live to fight another day, 3 points and we should scrape through, 4 points or more and we can relax a bit
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We've been relegated three times in my time as supporter and amazingly, the world kept turning, the true fans stuck with the club and we all enjoyed the ride back.
there wasn't a such a cavernous gap between the top 2 divisions back then though. they don't say the championship play-off final is the richest game in the world for nothing...
the effects of relegation on our club, in the premier league for nearly 20 years, would be absolutely massive.
i doubt the players have wage decreases written into their contracts, like they would at wolves, the albion, blackpool etc. and that is what fucked up leeds.
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We've been relegated three times in my time as supporter and amazingly, the world kept turning, the true fans stuck with the club and we all enjoyed the ride back.
there wasn't a such a cavernous gap between the top 2 divisions back then though. they don't say the championship play-off final is the richest game in the world for nothing...
the effects of relegation on our club, in the premier league for nearly 20 years, would be absolutely massive.
i doubt the players have wage decreases written into their contracts, like they would at wolves, the albion, blackpool etc. and that is what fucked up leeds.
What fucked up Leeds was buying players they didn't own with money they didn't have. Some proportion, please.
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We've been relegated three times in my time as supporter and amazingly, the world kept turning, the true fans stuck with the club and we all enjoyed the ride back.
there wasn't a such a cavernous gap between the top 2 divisions back then though. they don't say the championship play-off final is the richest game in the world for nothing...
the effects of relegation on our club, in the premier league for nearly 20 years, would be absolutely massive.
i doubt the players have wage decreases written into their contracts, like they would at wolves, the albion, blackpool etc. and that is what fucked up leeds.
And despite Peter Ridsdale's attempts to "live the dream" there is still is a Leeds United, and their fans are very much enjoying the ride back (the ones I know certainly are anyway).
Yes the gap is bigger than ever, but people who think relegation is the end of the world are those who believe the world began in 1992.
44 clubs have played in the Premier League, of which 7 have been ever-present throughout its 19 seasons. Law of averages suggests that in another 19 years time that figure will be lower than 7 - and of those 7 ourselves and Everton would seem most likely to suffer relegation in that period. So with that possibility always around the corner a well-run club ought to be prepared enough to suffer it and survive. "Prepared" is hopefully still our motto.
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44 clubs have played in the Premier League, of which 7 have been ever-present throughout its 19 seasons. Law of averages suggests that in another 19 years time that figure will be lower than 7 - and of those 7 ourselves and Everton would seem most likely to suffer relegation in that period. So with that possibility always around the corner a well-run club ought to be prepared enough to suffer it and survive. "Prepared" is hopefully still our motto.
You could quote those stats to the Millwall fans while they're chasing us back to London Bridge station next season.
Once out of ther Premiership bubble, it'll be a shock to the senses for a lot of Villa fans who will be seeing the "real" football world for the first time.