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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: VillaAlways on March 19, 2011, 11:12:57 PM
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Would the team look like this
Marshall
Lichaj Cuellar Clark Baker
Albrighton Herd Delph Bannan
Fonz Weimann
Or would we be stripped to even barer bones than this.
I am on my second bottle of wine and on overdrive.Sorry
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Can't see any reason why Marshall would be playing ahead of Guzan.
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It wouldn't be stripped that far.
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There are more likely to be bidders for Albrighton and Bannan than Beye and Dunne.
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If we chose to, we could hang onto most players for a season provided we came straight back up.
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That team is full of Kids, it's not like we wouldn't sign more players.
I reckon we could nab the likes of Bullard, Kilbane etc
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I'd expect Collins, Gabby and Heskey to be here at a minimum in addition to those listed above.
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trouble is when you get relegated the young promising kids are the ones that get cherry picked leaving you with the overpaid arse like Dunne, etc., who no-one wants anyway
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I'm gutted and we're not even down.
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We'd keep hold of Clark, Albrighton, Bannan, Delph, Bent and Gabby and absolutely dominate the Championship.
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Think GH would go if we do drop.
Then the side would likely be...
Guzan
Lichaz
Clark (just signed a new deal and I reckon would stay to see if we can get back for a season)
Collins
New left back
New left mid
Delph
Bannan
Albrighton
Gabby
Heskey
Fonz, Weimann, Hogg, Herd, Baker etc also about.
Players that would go
Dunne - 2m
Young 12m
Downing 12m
Reo Coker - free although might be convinced to stay.
Warnock - 3-4m
Luke Young - free
Bent - not sure at all if he would go, but probably would for 15m or so
Makoun - can't see him playing championship football - 5m
Walker back to Spurs
Friedel - free
Cuellar - 6m
With us probably spending 10-12m on 3-4 players to pad the squad out to fight to come back up.
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Bent and Makoun can't leave till the January window under FIFA rules.
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trouble is when you get relegated the young promising kids are the ones that get cherry picked leaving you with the overpaid arse like Dunne, etc., who no-one wants anyway
Is absolutely what happens.
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trouble is when you get relegated the young promising kids are the ones that get cherry picked leaving you with the overpaid arse like Dunne, etc., who no-one wants anyway
Is absolutely what happens.
**Opens third bottle*
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Season, not years cdvillafan. Can go in the summer.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/66/98/97/regulationsstatusandtransfer_en_1210.pdf
Page 12.
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Ah bugger. There you go bringing FACTS into it again. Bloody spoilsport.
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This thread is the perfect example of the DREC chart
Deny- we cant go down wait till we get all our players back
Resist- yes i know results have gone badly but look at the next 8 games
Experiment ------------
the last is change, looking forward to next season
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There is no if, we're down.
Can you honestley see Houllier and McAllister providing the squad with any motivation to fight and survive?
I'm dreading Championship footbal, but at least hope we can get a good manager in to help us navigate it.
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Delph is too good for the Championship and I doubt he will want to play there again especially if his old club go up. I think there would be a few clubs after Albrighton as well. Newcastle were able to retain a lot of good players like Barton, Nolan, the Spanish left back, and a few others when they went down, and we'd need to try to do the same if we want to bounce back quickly. I don't think it's the kind of division where a bunch of kids would thrive. I'd hope we could keep Bent and Makoun, because of the rule plus Cuellar, Collins, L Young, Gabby, and Heskey for their experience and physical attributes. We need a new keeper whatever happens.
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I don't even want to think about the "R" word i think we will have enough to get out of it but we really need to beat the teams around us that's for sure.
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well lets hope we dont
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I don't even want to think about the "R" word i think we will have enough to get out of it but we really need to beat the teams around us that's for sure.
Like yesterday.These teams around us have the fight and spirit for a relegation battle,we have not and we are fucked.Three going down is Wigan,Blose and us
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I don't even want to think about the "R" word i think we will have enough to get out of it but we really need to beat the teams around us that's for sure.
Like yesterday.These teams around us have the fight and spirit for a relegation battle,we have not and we are fucked.Three going down is Wigan,Blose and us
Maybe, just maybe, if the supporters show a little fight it will encourage and lift the players. We are a "club". We are all in this together. We are not fucked, we are Aston Villa in our one hundredth season of top flight football and we are not going to allow other teams to come along and think we've thrown in the towel. It's time to stick together and scrap.
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I agree Billy but sadly it's not the supporters who lack the fight and passion- it's the staff and players on obscene wages who are taking the piss- not the fans .
We will all still be here long after players and staff have departed for pastures new!
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I don't even want to think about the "R" word i think we will have enough to get out of it but we really need to beat the teams around us that's for sure.
Like yesterday.These teams around us have the fight and spirit for a relegation battle,we have not and we are fucked.Three going down is Wigan,Blose and us
Maybe, just maybe, if the supporters show a little fight it will encourage and lift the players. We are a "club". We are all in this together. We are not fucked, we are Aston Villa in our one hundredth season of top flight football and we are not going to allow other teams to come along and think we've thrown in the towel. It's time to stick together and scrap.
Agree with every single word.Now can someone go and tell the players that as utlimately they are the only ones that can get us out of this mess regardless of who is in charge
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Doncaster on a Friday night *shudder*
Nurse!
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There is no if, we're down.
Don't be daft. There are a lot of rubbish teams around us.
We might have been pretty awful yesterday but it's only two league games ago that we destroyed one of the teams around us.
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It's the away games coming up that worry me. I really can't see us getting anything at Everton or West Ham with GH in charge unfortunatley.
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Agree Clampy, we are lacking everything needed to stay up.
It could well be a fire sale, thats the way I see it.
Gabby would stay I think , cant see him going anywhere else - ever and he would terrorise Championship defences.
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There is no if, we're down.
Don't be daft. There are a lot of rubbish teams around us.
We might have been pretty awful yesterday but it's only two league games ago that we destroyed one of the teams around us.
Even those rubbish teams are picking up points, our lot look totally incapable of hanging on to a lead, their confidence looks shot and they seemingly have no desire to play for Houllier.
Compare and contrast with Wigan and Wolves never say die attitudes yesterday.
The playing and management staff are totally incapable of scrapping out results.
Watched the Everton v Fulham game, I really don't fancy our chances up there.
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It's the away games coming up that worry me. I really can't see us getting anything at Everton or West Ham with GH in charge unfortunatley.
I can see us getting points in the same way that we battled at Chelsea. We have the players, we have more than enough ability, too. There's absolutely no room for negativity in this situation. It's time to get together and give it 110%. Everton are our old rivals and I'm sure they'd love to give us a beating, but an Aston Villa that's up for it will not be leaving Goodison without some points on the board.
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It's the away games coming up that worry me. I really can't see us getting anything at Everton or West Ham with GH in charge unfortunatley.
I can see us getting points in the same way that we battled at Chelsea. We have the players, we have more than enough ability, too. There's absolutely no room for negativity in this situation. It's time to get together and give it 110%. Everton are our old rivals and I'm sure they'd love to give us a beating, but an Aston Villa that's up for it will not be leaving Goodison without some points on the board.
If Houllier can't raise the team for a home game against our local rivals, then I'm afraid it doesn't bode well for any of the remaining games. All that bollocks pre-match about a "surprising level of unity and spirit". I don't think I've been less surprised in my life.
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It's the away games coming up that worry me. I really can't see us getting anything at Everton or West Ham with GH in charge unfortunatley.
but an Aston Villa that's up for it will not be leaving Goodison without some points on the board.
hmmmmmmm
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It's the away games coming up that worry me. I really can't see us getting anything at Everton or West Ham with GH in charge unfortunatley.
I can see us getting points in the same way that we battled at Chelsea. We have the players, we have more than enough ability, too. There's absolutely no room for negativity in this situation. It's time to get together and give it 110%. Everton are our old rivals and I'm sure they'd love to give us a beating, but an Aston Villa that's up for it will not be leaving Goodison without some points on the board.
I hope similar spirit is shown in the dressing room. To be fair to Houllier (and I've been slagging him off something rotten on other threads) that Chelsea performance you refer to did come totally out of the blue. I didn't think he had it in him to inspire something like that. We're going to need a few more rabbits out of hats in the run-in.
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I do not buy into this "get behind the lads" cliche. It's like the "stand up if you love Villa" bollocks. Of course we are behind the lads, of course we love the Villa. We woiuld not be there is it were not so. We want to see the same level of commitment to Aston Villa by the players and the coaching staff as we, the fans, display.
Yesterday, one match out of my season ticket plus a tank of fuel for the 220 mile round trip cost the entire amount of my state pension. That was nothing compared with my younger son who flew in from Austin Texas for the game and that in turn was nothing compared with our friend Jarno who drives from Arnhem in Holland for games and has to spend two nights in a motel either side of the game. All to see fucking garbage like that.
There is nothing wrong with the fans. They are about the only thing which is right about us at the moment.
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I think there is absolutely no chance of keeping our best young players. Albrighton and Clark will be certain to leave and if Leeds come up and Bannan and Lichaj impress in the rest of the season they will be gone too. Gabby might stay if he has not been completely dispirited this season. As for the rest I expect we will need a fire sale of the high earners to save our finances. I doubt any have relegation clauses. I expect a few players will stay on possibly some of the more experienced guys maybe Petrov, Dunne, Collins and Luke Young especially if we put Le Gaffeur out of his misery. We will keep some of the better young players too like Hogg, Herd, Fonz, Weimann, Baker and Lowry and some of the guys who are too young to have broken through yet will make an impact like Deeney, Gardner and Johnson. On top of that we will get a few old hands experienced at the level. Nobody good but they will help.
It's not certain we will come straight back up.
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Albrighton,Clark,Bannan,Lichaj have all recently signed new contracts.They have also come through the ranks at Villa and love the club.I would hope they would stay on if the worst was to happen.
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Come May 23rd, I hope we'll all be looking at this thread as some sort of joke.
On a side note, if we were to get relegated, we'll be steamrolling everyone in the Championship. Winky thing.
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Gabby would stay I think , cant see him going anywhere else - ever and he would terrorise Championship defences.
After the way he's been treated this year by Houllier?!
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Gabby would stay I think , cant see him going anywhere else - ever and he would terrorise Championship defences.
After the way he's been treated this year by Houllier?!
Houllier would be gone if we went down
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Gabby would stay I think , cant see him going anywhere else - ever and he would terrorise Championship defences.
After the way he's been treated this year by Houllier?!
Houllier would be gone if we went down
But would he have already made his mind up to leave?
For what it's worth I think we'll keep everyone bar Ash. You've got to remember that they're all still on the silly wages MON signed them on and clubs would only take them off our hands on the cheap. As long as we got back to the Prem at the first time of asking we wouldn't need to sell to balance the books as the parachute payment is so much better than it used to be - this is exactly how Newcastle could afford to retain all their players.
Don't bank on season tickets being any cheaper either - the argument will be that you're getting 3 more games for the same price!!
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yes and without giving us a second thought thats why Randy must act now
Gabby would stay I think , cant see him going anywhere else - ever and he would terrorise Championship defences.
After the way he's been treated this year by Houllier?!
Houllier would be gone if we went down
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The kids are alright according to those two lesbians in that movie and Townsend and Daltry so don't sweat it.
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Would the team look like this
Marshall
Lichaj Cuellar Clark Baker
Albrighton Herd Delph Bannan
Fonz Weimann
Or would we be stripped to even barer bones than this.
I am on my second bottle of wine and on overdrive.Sorry
Don't.....
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I hate these sort of threads but surely we wouldn't be under some sort of transfer embargo and we could actually sign some new players?
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If we go down we could keep going, I doubt that RL has any ambition to own a team out of the top flight and there is absloutely no certainty that we would come back up. So he would probably cut his losses and go.
It would be an absoloute disaster.
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I must admit Ive been looking who we would be playing if we go down. Years ago I got up to 79 grounds visited then the did away with re-election for the 4th division and then loads of clubs started moving. I could start making an effort again to make it into the `92` club. Swansea, Cardiff, Coventry, Leicester, Millwall >:(, Milton Keynes Dons :o
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I'm already thinking Brighton away in August/May please
Talking about Brighton Gus Poyet anyone ?
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Guzan
Lichaj
Collins
Clark
Baker
Albrighton
Delph
Hogg
Bannan
Delfouneso
Agbonlahor
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Saying that, I think we'd lose Clark to Man Utd if we went down.
I'm sure Gabby would have some interest too, someone like Stoke or Wigan.
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Same as if we stay up...
New everything will do.
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Does anyone think that GH would be the manager if we went down? or would Randy have to sack him?
Stupid question..
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I like the sound of Poyet.
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How many of our players would have clauses in their contracts with regards to wages and the Championship?
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Is Paul talking to himself?
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I actually think if we do go down, for the first season at least, all we'd lose (that we wanted to hold onto) would be Ashley Young.
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How many of our players would have clauses in their contracts with regards to wages and the Championship?
Quite a few i would presume.
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If we go down we could keep going, I doubt that RL has any ambition to own a team out of the top flight and there is absloutely no certainty that we would come back up. So he would probably cut his losses and go.
It would be an absoloute disaster.
Well then he'd have to take some flak for appointing the manager that took us down. We shouldn't be anywhere near the relegation zone with that squad.
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I think Gabby might go for 10 million somewhere which would probably be good business, leaving the Fonz and Heskey to spearhead the attack with whoever else we got in.
Clark would give us a season I reckon unless the offer was silly from United - 15-20 million and he will go.
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How would relegation affect our pre-season? Would hong kong still be on ?
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I actually think if we do go down, for the first season at least, all we'd lose (that we wanted to hold onto) would be Ashley Young.
If only if it was as easy as that. I'd guess a lot of players have got relegation clauses written into their contracts. A lot of them would be gone.
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I actually think if we do go down, for the first season at least, all we'd lose (that we wanted to hold onto) would be Ashley Young.
If only if it was as easy as that. I'd guess a lot of players have got relegation clauses written into their contracts. A lot of them would be gone.
I doubt many, if any have. Same as I doubt we have anything in their contracts about wages decreases, freezes etc if we were relegated. I would imagine it never entered anyones head we could be where we are now when negotiating contracts over the past few years.
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If we went down, there woould be colossal amounts of trouble off the pitch, as everybody would want a pop at Aston Villa, the same as Leeds.
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How many goldfish have we got and who's our Seth Johnson
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If we went down, there woould be colossal amounts of trouble off the pitch, as everybody would want a pop at Aston Villa, the same as Leeds.
Indeed, but it didn't seem to bother Newcastle.
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How would relegation affect our pre-season? Would hong kong still be on ?
Sod that. If they get relegated I'd send them for pre season to Benghazi. Less booze than in Leicestershire plus some of them might not get back and the insurance money would be more than any transfer value.
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Relegation would be a disaster, there's no getting away from that.
However ... having said that, I had a great time in 1987-8. One of my favourite Villa seasons.
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If MON had left in June we'd have got Mark Hughes in, and we'd be fine.
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How would relegation affect our pre-season? Would hong kong still be on ?
Hong Kong?
Phooey!
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I actually think if we do go down, for the first season at least, all we'd lose (that we wanted to hold onto) would be Ashley Young.
If only if it was as easy as that. I'd guess a lot of players have got relegation clauses written into their contracts. A lot of them would be gone.
I doubt many, if any have. Same as I doubt we have anything in their contracts about wages decreases, freezes etc if we were relegated. I would imagine it never entered anyones head we could be where we are now when negotiating contracts over the past few years.
Every player that Arsenal sign has a relegation clause written into their contract.
If we haven't put them in there, then it's pretty short-sighted of us.
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I actually think if we do go down, for the first season at least, all we'd lose (that we wanted to hold onto) would be Ashley Young.
If only if it was as easy as that. I'd guess a lot of players have got relegation clauses written into their contracts. A lot of them would be gone.
I doubt many, if any have. Same as I doubt we have anything in their contracts about wages decreases, freezes etc if we were relegated. I would imagine it never entered anyones head we could be where we are now when negotiating contracts over the past few years.
Every player that Arsenal sign has a relegation clause written into their contract.
If we haven't put them in there, then it's pretty short-sighted of us.
Interesting, I never knew that. Do you know if it's in favour of the club, player or both?
I just hope we've been that savvy.
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Definitely the club. Maybe the player as well.
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I actually think if we do go down, for the first season at least, all we'd lose (that we wanted to hold onto) would be Ashley Young.
If only if it was as easy as that. I'd guess a lot of players have got relegation clauses written into their contracts. A lot of them would be gone.
I doubt many, if any have. Same as I doubt we have anything in their contracts about wages decreases, freezes etc if we were relegated. I would imagine it never entered anyones head we could be where we are now when negotiating contracts over the past few years.
Every player that Arsenal sign has a relegation clause written into their contract.
If we haven't put them in there, then it's pretty short-sighted of us.
I think we at least used to put these clauses into contracts. I can't remember where, but at some point I seem to remember reading that one of the reasons James Beattie turned us down was because we insisted on this clause going into his contract and Everton didn't. Although obviously that was under Ellis, not Lerner.
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Well Gabby will be still with us
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_6829547,00.html
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If played down the middle, i reckon Gabby would get +25 a season in The Championship
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If played down the middle, i reckon Gabby would get +25 a season in The Championship
;-) and albrighton 12
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and a management team of Laursen , Angel and Taylor would be great ;-)