But some of the others (Wolves, Albion and Blackpool specifically) seem to be able to pick up shock results, whereas we don't. We simply have to beat Wigan, Albion and West Ham, otherwise we're dead.
- we have zero spirit. None at all.Spot on.
I posted from the ground at half time, we just look like a team beaten at the moment, and from our fixtures I don't glean much confidence. We need to get back to basics, possibly even going to a traditional 4-4-2, get Heskey up with Bent and Ash out wide. Reo Coker and Makoun in the centre of midfield, get the big men back at the back with Collins, Clark and Cuellar alongside Walker. Then go to war. There is enough quality to finish top8, but they have to start doing it.
- we have zero spirit. None at all.Spot on.
I'd say we are by far the most gutless of all the bottom 8.
Waste of time, this sort of thread. The other teams at the bottom are showing they can get results against the top sides
We are showing we can't beat any of the lower sides
Waste of time, this sort of thread. The other teams at the bottom are showing they can get results against the top sides
We are showing we can't beat any of the lower sides
how is this a waste Richard? How are the other sides around showing any more form than us? Wigan and Wolves won today. But they've been bollocks all season which is why they are where they are. How are any of the sides around us getting results against the top sides? Come on, I know things are bleak but that's just nonsense.
Waste of time, this sort of thread. The other teams at the bottom are showing they can get results against the top sides
We are showing we can't beat any of the lower sides
how is this a waste Richard? How are the other sides around showing any more form than us? Wigan and Wolves won today. But they've been bollocks all season which is why they are where they are. How are any of the sides around us getting results against the top sides? Come on, I know things are bleak but that's just nonsense.
Threads like this trying to predict who will do what are always nonsense TV, not having a go at you personally
As for teams getting results against the top sides, look at West Ham and West Brom today
They may not have won but both were games that this sort of thread would have expected them both to lose....
I'm sorry but anyone who by analysis is trying to show that we have the slightest chance of staying up is deluded. It is that type of attitude that us got us where we are now. We're the Villa we're too big to go down' - our players are just too good.
Boll*x to all you happy clappers look at the damage you have caused!!!!!!!
Waste of time, this sort of thread. The other teams at the bottom are showing they can get results against the top sides
We are showing we can't beat any of the lower sides
how is this a waste Richard? How are the other sides around showing any more form than us? Wigan and Wolves won today. But they've been bollocks all season which is why they are where they are. How are any of the sides around us getting results against the top sides? Come on, I know things are bleak but that's just nonsense.
Threads like this trying to predict who will do what are always nonsense TV, not having a go at you personally
As for teams getting results against the top sides, look at West Ham and West Brom today
They may not have won but both were games that this sort of thread would have expected them both to lose....
Richard, I didn't post this as a prediction thread because I don't find those any use either. I posted it as a matter of fact. Just showing what everyone had left and that it wasn't going to easy for any of the teams. As for your other point, getting only 1 point versus Arsenal when you should have got all 3 will be crushing to West Brom. As much as for us losing when we should have won today.
Waste of time, this sort of thread. The other teams at the bottom are showing they can get results against the top sides
We are showing we can't beat any of the lower sides
how is this a waste Richard? How are the other sides around showing any more form than us? Wigan and Wolves won today. But they've been bollocks all season which is why they are where they are. How are any of the sides around us getting results against the top sides? Come on, I know things are bleak but that's just nonsense.
Threads like this trying to predict who will do what are always nonsense TV, not having a go at you personally
As for teams getting results against the top sides, look at West Ham and West Brom today
They may not have won but both were games that this sort of thread would have expected them both to lose....
Richard, I didn't post this as a prediction thread because I don't find those any use either. I posted it as a matter of fact. Just showing what everyone had left and that it wasn't going to easy for any of the teams. As for your other point, getting only 1 point versus Arsenal when you should have got all 3 will be crushing to West Brom. As much as for us losing when we should have won today.
Why should we have won today? We were diabolical.
TV, did you see the game today? I'm not having a go at you, but there was no way we should have won, not a chance. Not bad refereeing decisions, not unlucky, just absolutely bloody awful, without a tactic or clue how to beat a team who, by common consent, are going down. God help us, then.
Do you really think Lerner would sack him now?
Do you really think Lerner would sack him now?He should. Yes you should RL - are you reading this forum?
Do you really think Lerner would sack him now?
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?
Jol ?
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?
I was asking people that yesterday, Leeg.
Unfortunately, after the shiteness of today - which I doubt many of us thought would be quite so terrible - it is starting to look like removing Houllier is of more importance than who replaces him. The club is in an absolute mess.
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?
Allardyce is available, don't get me wrong I think he is the devil incarnate but for eight games i think he would organise the team, particularly the defence, so we could eek out the points required to hopefully stay in the Premiership.
Yes, thanks Houllier, it will have come to that, i hate the style of Allardyce, but perhaps a short term appointment would save us ?
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?No idea but we're down under Houllier.
Looking at the fixtures, Liverpool at home last game of the season and Houlliers interview:Reading that has given me a bit of a cold sweat,as i can imagine him saying that,with a gormless smirk on his face.
"I don't like being relegated to the Championship, but if anyone was to relegate me, it should be Liverpool".
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?
Allardyce is available, don't get me wrong I think he is the devil incarnate but for eight games i think he would organise the team, particularly the defence, so we could eek out the points required to hopefully stay in the Premiership.
Yes, thanks Houllier, it will have come to that, i hate the style of Allardyce, but perhaps a short term appointment would save us ?
Relegation is a dreadful prospect, but Sam Allardyce managing Villa is even worse. In fact, he's the only obvious candidate I can think of who I'd say no to and keep Gerard at the moment.
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?
Allardyce is available, don't get me wrong I think he is the devil incarnate but for eight games i think he would organise the team, particularly the defence, so we could eek out the points required to hopefully stay in the Premiership.
Yes, thanks Houllier, it will have come to that, i hate the style of Allardyce, but perhaps a short term appointment would save us ?
Relegation is a dreadful prospect, but Sam Allardyce managing Villa is even worse. In fact, he's the only obvious candidate I can think of who I'd say no to and keep Gerard at the moment.
Sid in the short term? Dullins and chair leg aside - someone who bleeds claret and blue for the club. Then a more considered long term replacement in the summerI'll say again, who would you replace him with?No idea but we're down under Houllier.
This time last year I would never have thought the words Villa and Allardyce would be connected together.
Jesus.
This time last year I would never have thought the words Villa and Allardyce would be connected together.
Jesus.
I didn't think that 'Villa' and 'relegation' would be either. Here's to 'Houllier' and 'P45'.
There are so many people to hold responsible for this, that if we shot them all, we'd be close to carrying out a pogrom.
Sid in the short term? Dullins and chair leg aside - someone who bleeds claret and blue for the club. Then a more considered long term replacement in the summerI'll say again, who would you replace him with?No idea but we're down under Houllier.
Newcastle is no gimme.
Agree Ian Taylor bleeds claret and blue but Sid clearly has proven coaching skills tooSid in the short term? Dullins and chair leg aside - someone who bleeds claret and blue for the club. Then a more considered long term replacement in the summerI'll say again, who would you replace him with?No idea but we're down under Houllier.
Ian Taylor.
To be frank calling for a manager who is a Villa legend, I don't get it really. It didn't work to well for Shearer at Newcastle in a relegation scrap.
To be frank calling for a manager who is a Villa legend, I don't get it really. It didn't work to well for Shearer at Newcastle in a relegation scrap.
We just need a manager who knows what he's doing.
Friedel
Cuellar - Collins - Dunne - Walker
Downing - Makoun - Petrov - Delph - Ashley
Bent
All this talk of passion, energy, someone who bleeds claret and blue etc. is all a load of bollocks really isn't it?
It's not 1974 and we don't need Mike Basset.
What we need is some sort of continuity at the back for the remaining games, Makoun to get back into the swing of things and Bent to start closing the opposition defenders down, and we shall be back winning games again.
Failing that we could put KMac in charge and bring back the highly paid footballers who currently aren't getting a look in, go back to basics and stay up using the counter-attacking style the majority of them are used to.
The diference between us and all those teams down there is that they look like they have some spirit and will fight to stay up, its obvious to any one that was there today that we dont
You can't even get a bottle top in to the ground, I don't see how you'll get a gun in...
...oh, you're joking, aren't you?
Both Martin Jol and Louis van Gaal are out of work. They would swim across if not for the prestige certainly for the money.
Go for van Gaal now. He will have a few games to look at players before the close season.
The diference between us and all those teams down there is that they look like they have some spirit and will fight to stay up, its obvious to any one that was there today that we dont
West Ham actually played really well today.
Landmines, thats the way forwardYou can't even get a bottle top in to the ground, I don't see how you'll get a gun in...
...oh, you're joking, aren't you?
You're absolutely right.
A Gatling gun opening up a channel just past the stewards is the only way to go.
van Gaal is out of work and the top 9/10 teams in Europe are all out of his reach. He blotted his copybook by getting sacked from Bayern. So I think he will come to Villa as this will buy him Villa in the Caribbean.Both Martin Jol and Louis van Gaal are out of work. They would swim across if not for the prestige certainly for the money.
Go for van Gaal now. He will have a few games to look at players before the close season.
I'd be highly surprised if Louis van Gaal touched us with a bargepole. He's a Champions League Manager, he doesn't need to get involved in our shitty relegation battles.
Jol is a far more realistic option for us.
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?No idea but we're down under Houllier.
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?No idea but we're down under Houllier.
I hope the supporters of the clubs below us are as ready to throw in the towel.
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?No idea but we're down under Houllier.
I hope the supporters of the clubs below us are as ready to throw in the towel.
if it's like this at the other clubs, then 6 teams will be relegated this season. Today has been a bad day, but this thing will twist and turn yet. You can feel very optimistic with one good result, and equally as suicidal with a bad one like today. That's just how it will be between now and the end of the end of the season.
We are currently 14th, Small Heath are 19th.Just 2 points seperates us though.
See, there's always somebody worse off than you are!!
I'll say again, who would you replace him with?No idea but we're down under Houllier.
I hope the supporters of the clubs below us are as ready to throw in the towel.
if it's like this at the other clubs, then 6 teams will be relegated this season. Today has been a bad day, but this thing will twist and turn yet. You can feel very optimistic with one good result, and equally as suicidal with a bad one like today. That's just how it will be between now and the end of the end of the season.
Gotta admit, it's been a lot more...exciting and tense that the O'neil Reign.
I think it is totally simple.
Forget all the other games
Our season revolves around
Newcastle , Albion , West Ham , Wigan
We need 7 points out of those four games. If we get them, we will be safe.
In reality, that means Newcastle - WIN , Wigan - WIN , and a point from either of the Albion or West Ham games.
Do I think we will get them
NO - I think we are down !
We have Arsenal, Liverpool and all - 0 points ! thus making my four games TOTALLY CRUCIAL !We've written those two games off completely then have we?
Eh yeah mate I have.Or maybe Arsenal could say that they can't beat West Brom from two attempts at doing so and we beat them comfortably.
We cant beat Wolves at home - do you really think I expect to beat Arsenal away !
Get real will ya
We have Arsenal, Liverpool and all - 0 points ! thus making my four games TOTALLY CRUCIAL !We've written those two games off completely then have we?
Smashing. Good thing we didn't decide we would get nothing from the Man Utd and Chelsea games I suppose.
Exactly. Arsenal aren't invincible. Just shut them down like West Brom and Birmingham.Eh yeah mate I have.Or maybe Arsenal could say that they can't beat West Brom from two attempts at doing so and we beat them comfortably.
We cant beat Wolves at home - do you really think I expect to beat Arsenal away !
Get real will ya
We probably won't get anything. But it's a bit daft writing the game off at this point.
We have Arsenal, Liverpool and all - 0 points ! thus making my four games TOTALLY CRUCIAL !We've written those two games off completely then have we?
Smashing. Good thing we didn't decide we would get nothing from the Man Utd and Chelsea games I suppose.
Our Manager has recent form for writing off those sorts of games though Dave, that's the worry.
Our mindset, body language and approach to matches is appalling.
He's proven since the day he walked through the dorr to be is a clueless defeatist whose got to go or we'll be down.
We have Arsenal, Liverpool and all - 0 points ! thus making my four games TOTALLY CRUCIAL !We've written those two games off completely then have we?
Smashing. Good thing we didn't decide we would get nothing from the Man Utd and Chelsea games I suppose.
Our Manager has recent form for writing off those sorts of games though Dave, that's the worry.
Our mindset, body language and approach to matches is appalling.
He's proven since the day he walked through the dorr to be is a clueless defeatist whose got to go or we'll be down.
does he? I'll grant you he could have done better in the FA Cup, but in which game in the league has he thrown in the towel?
We have Arsenal, Liverpool and all - 0 points ! thus making my four games TOTALLY CRUCIAL !We've written those two games off completely then have we?
Smashing. Good thing we didn't decide we would get nothing from the Man Utd and Chelsea games I suppose.
Our Manager has recent form for writing off those sorts of games though Dave, that's the worry.
Our mindset, body language and approach to matches is appalling.
He's proven since the day he walked through the dorr to be is a clueless defeatist whose got to go or we'll be down.
does he? I'll grant you he could have done better in the FA Cup, but in which game in the league has he thrown in the towel?
Um where do we start, how about 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' away.
We have Arsenal, Liverpool and all - 0 points ! thus making my four games TOTALLY CRUCIAL !We've written those two games off completely then have we?
Smashing. Good thing we didn't decide we would get nothing from the Man Utd and Chelsea games I suppose.
Our Manager has recent form for writing off those sorts of games though Dave, that's the worry.
Our mindset, body language and approach to matches is appalling.
He's proven since the day he walked through the dorr to be is a clueless defeatist whose got to go or we'll be down.
does he? I'll grant you he could have done better in the FA Cup, but in which game in the league has he thrown in the towel?
Um where do we start, how about 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' away.
Man Citeh away
So you now admit that there are expamples then.
I chose those as they were the most obvious examples and that they are the 'top' 4' opposition that Dave was suggesting we should'nt write ourselves off against.
Check out GH's post match comments if you don't think he thought we didn't stand a chance anyway, although we were poor all we really got was exactly what the Manager expected according to him - that's the kind of mindset that filters down to the players. That get's us to where we are now. In the shit.
So you now admit that there are expamples then.
I chose those as they were the most obvious examples and that they are the 'top' 4' opposition that Dave was suggesting we should'nt write ourselves off against.
Check out GH's post match comments if you don't think he thought we didn't stand a chance anyway, although we were poor all we really got was exactly what the Manager expected according to him - that's the kind of mindset that filters down to the players. That get's us to where we are now. In the shit.
no off course they are not examples. I just said as much. I said we played shit, and not that the manager threw the towel in before the game started as you are suggesting. If you are so confident of that opinion, why didn't we get battered by 7 at Chelsea again, or give up fighting against Man U? They are equally valid arguments to suggest he doesn't just pull the chute against top teams.
The bloke is a disaster, the squad are out of controll, he seems unable to sort out the defence, he puts Pires on the pitch, he makes ludicrous comments about our club, he throws games, persists in playing Young in a role he cant manage. Finally he has turned the support against him.
The bloke is a disaster, the squad are out of controll, he seems unable to sort out the defence, he puts Pires on the pitch, he makes ludicrous comments about our club, he throws games, persists in playing Young in a role he cant manage. Finally he has turned the support against him.
It would bring some symmetry to our season
KMac started it in charge and should finish it in charge
Bit unfair on KMac though
It would bring some symmetry to our season
KMac started it in charge and should finish it in charge
Bit unfair on KMac though
indeed he started the bad run why not let him have the glory of finishing the job and take us down.
We have little hope under Houllier under K M there would be no hope.
The bloke is a disaster, the squad are out of controll, he seems unable to sort out the defence, he puts Pires on the pitch, he makes ludicrous comments about our club, he throws games, persists in playing Young in a role he cant manage. Finally he has turned the support against him.
So, players go out of control with disastrous results and turn the fans against them and it's their manager's fault.
Surely then, by your own rules, this must lie squarely at Lerner's feet, leaving Houllier blame-free?
The bloke is a disaster, the squad are out of controll, he seems unable to sort out the defence, he puts Pires on the pitch, he makes ludicrous comments about our club, he throws games, persists in playing Young in a role he cant manage. Finally he has turned the support against him.
Unfortunately, it is hard to disagree with any of that.
Right now, Randy should be sounding out possible replacements, to at least give ourselves a plan b in these two weeks.
I bet he isn't, though, as that would be too dishonourable for him. Well, lets see how much honour there is in watching us slip out of the top tier.
Piss poor leadership, just when we need the opposite.
The bloke is a disaster, the squad are out of controll, he seems unable to sort out the defence, he puts Pires on the pitch, he makes ludicrous comments about our club, he throws games, persists in playing Young in a role he cant manage. Finally he has turned the support against him.
So, players go out of control with disastrous results and turn the fans against them and it's their manager's fault.
Surely then, by your own rules, this must lie squarely at Lerner's feet, leaving Houllier blame-free?
It's irrelevant exactly where the blame lies. Even if you're right, what are we going to do to stave off relegation? Sack the chairman and the players?
Who is ultimately responsible for the playing staff? The fans turned on Houlier, saw your above post ::)The bloke is a disaster, the squad are out of controll, he seems unable to sort out the defence, he puts Pires on the pitch, he makes ludicrous comments about our club, he throws games, persists in playing Young in a role he cant manage. Finally he has turned the support against him.
So, players go out of control with disastrous results and turn the fans against them and it's their manager's fault.
Surely then, by your own rules, this must lie squarely at Lerner's feet, leaving Houllier blame-free?
It would bring some symmetry to our season
KMac started it in charge and should finish it in charge
Bit unfair on KMac though
indeed he started the bad run why not let him have the glory of finishing the job and take us down.
We have little hope under Houllier under K M there would be no hope.
It would bring some symmetry to our season
KMac started it in charge and should finish it in charge
Bit unfair on KMac though
indeed he started the bad run why not let him have the glory of finishing the job and take us down.
We have little hope under Houllier under K M there would be no hope.
I would give both an equal 'very little' hope. Houllier has more experience but is the centre of a rotten regime, and KMac has no experience but may please a few in the camp till the end of the season.
Newcastle was a bit of a freak result though, even in this annus horribilis of a season. Annus horrificus, in fact.
We actually played well for the opening 30 minutes. It did offer a portent of what we might come to expect from Friedel and Dunne, mind (in saying that, Friedel was MOTM in the next game v Everton).
Contrast the Newcastle game and that decent 30 minutes with Blackburn away, Liverpool away Man Citeh away (twice) Sunderland and Wolves at home (just off the top of my head) where we didn't play well at any stage of the match.
Then there were other matches like Spurs at home, where we might have had periods of dominance, but never even looked like beating a side down to 10 men.
I don't think Kevin Mac would be in anyway a long term solution (I'm not sure he'd even want the job on a short term basis again either) and I don't think our defence would suddenly improve tenfold. In fact, I'd still expect a few hammerings between now and the end of the campaign.
But:
We might just have a better chance of etching out the 2/3 wins we need under a figure the players have a degree of time and respect for, rather than one they clearly don't.
That's why I said I'm not even sure he would go for it.
He might feel snubbed. Or: If he had doubts about taking the job back then, what kind of doubts would he have now?
That's why I said I'm not even sure he would go for it.
He might feel snubbed. Or: If he had doubts about taking the job back then, what kind of doubts would he have now?
I would be amazed if he took the job on an "until the end of the season" basis, without some cinfirmation he'd keep it if we stayed up.
That's why I said I'm not even sure he would go for it.
He might feel snubbed. Or: If he had doubts about taking the job back then, what kind of doubts would he have now?
I would be amazed if he took the job on an "until the end of the season" basis, without some cinfirmation he'd keep it if we stayed up.
Lets say RL goes to him and says "we think you are the man to get us the points we need to stay up. Will you take over until the end of the season?"
Should any employee of Aston Villa remain in the employ of Aston Villa if they refuse to step up to the plate when asked to by their boss?
That's why I said I'm not even sure he would go for it.
He might feel snubbed. Or: If he had doubts about taking the job back then, what kind of doubts would he have now?
I would be amazed if he took the job on an "until the end of the season" basis, without some cinfirmation he'd keep it if we stayed up.
Lets say RL goes to him and says "we think you are the man to get us the points we need to stay up. Will you take over until the end of the season?"
Should any employee of Aston Villa remain in the employ of Aston Villa if they refuse to step up to the plate when asked to by their boss?
Football is immune from considerations like that which you'd find in any other workplace.
For example, Dunne and Collins would have been sacked on the spot last week.
You can't force someone to do a job which they're not employed to do, either. And it strikes me that turning to someone to get you out of a hole, in desperation, and then forcing them to take the job on isn't really the best start.
That's why I said I'm not even sure he would go for it.
He might feel snubbed. Or: If he had doubts about taking the job back then, what kind of doubts would he have now?
I would be amazed if he took the job on an "until the end of the season" basis, without some cinfirmation he'd keep it if we stayed up.
Lets say RL goes to him and says "we think you are the man to get us the points we need to stay up. Will you take over until the end of the season?"
Should any employee of Aston Villa remain in the employ of Aston Villa if they refuse to step up to the plate when asked to by their boss?
Football is immune from considerations like that which you'd find in any other workplace.
For example, Dunne and Collins would have been sacked on the spot last week.
You can't force someone to do a job which they're not employed to do, either. And it strikes me that turning to someone to get you out of a hole, in desperation, and then forcing them to take the job on isn't really the best start.
Well obviously in the scenario I gave I wouldn't expect or want RL to add, "and if you say no, you're sacked". But we talk of players showing loyalty and stepping up when it counts, with how long KM has been here, shouldn't he in theory care more about the future of Villa than say Habib Beye or Richard Dunne?
If the scenario I gave happened, and lets assume it became public, would you want KM to remain if he turned it down?
Fair enough Paulie, I have to be honest and say i'd be very disappointed in any Villa employee saying no when/if the club said they wanted their help in securing the future of the club.
I know, I know, I know x 3 x 5 x 8 and more. 1970 and later..all the desperate status and same again. AV ought to be, and deserve to be at the pinnacle of success; and manage to be where? Exactly here, where we are...WHY? 30/40 years of the same old same old same old and same old...
Two weeks of no attenance will tell them why, and quick!.
Why endure the misery?
Just been looking at fixtures for other teams. Some have got it quite tough, some have got it easier.That's what we thought when we had that "Winnable 11 Games" (or something like that) thread weeks ago.
There's no way I'd ever back a boycott of games (unless we were bought out by Colonel Gadaffi or something)
KMac/Sid/TMc to night-watchmen to the summer keep us up then either Van Gaal, Jol or Sparky to come in
KMac/Sid/TMc to night-watchmen to the summer keep us up then either Van Gaal, Jol or Sparky to come in
Why would Van Gaal want to join Villa having just left the biggest club in Germany? Not going to happen.
Liverpool to beat and relegate us on the last day of the season, with Houllier, a wry smile and glint in his eye, proclaiming: 'Well, if we had to be relegated by anyone....'
I know, I know, I know x 3 x 5 x 8 and more. 1970 and later..all the desperate status and same again. AV ought to be, and deserve to be at the pinnacle of success; and manage to be where? Exactly here, where we are...WHY? 30/40 years of the same old same old same old and same old...
Two weeks of no attenance will tell them why, and quick!.
Why endure the misery?
Kev Mac is one of very, very few people to come out of this season with any credit. His enormous dignity and selflessness at the start of the season is a shining beacon in an otherwise dark and murky episode in our history.With you all the way, i said before a massive factor is the atmosphere at VP, at least with Le Stink gone the fans would get behind the team
If the board has been caught with their pants down again, I think he'd step up to the plate and that he would be better for the run-in than Gerard.
I'm looking at Newcastle at home as being the key game. It's very winnable, they are not good away from home, have no striker we should be afraid of and their defence looked as bad as anything we have produced this season on Saturday.
Don't re-write history.
Offensively we were excellent at Bolton. If we'd have scored 6 then nobody could have complained. We had three high balls to defend all game and fluffed them, which is why we are where we are.
Don't re-write history.
Offensively we were excellent at Bolton. If we'd have scored 6 then nobody could have complained. We had three high balls to defend all game and fluffed them, which is why we are where we are.
That is correct.
There's no need to rewrite history, anyway, after all, it's not as if there aren't already enough absolutely shit things to point at.
Bolton was an impressive display overall, and we should have been 4 up by half time.
The defensive lapses cost us the game, and it seems to have knocked the confidence out of the players.
Bolton was an impressive display overall, and we should have been 4 up by half time.
The defensive lapses cost us the game, and it seems to have knocked the confidence out of the players.