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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Mattwall on March 06, 2011, 08:27:45 AM
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Now ash has missed a pen will they change the taker to bent as I'm aware that's the golden rule
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Ash hadn't really taken that many and I remember his missing a few now so I would definately give them to bent or someone else, I've never had confidence in ash as a penalty taker.
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Ash should be off them, he puts them in the same spot every time, just too predictable.
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Ash hadn't really taken that many and I remember his missing a few now so I would definately give them to bent or someone else, I've never had confidence in ash as a penalty taker.
He'd scored the previous 4.
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If the free kicks are anything to go by then Ash can miss as many pens as he wants, no-one else will get a sniff.
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He may have scored 4 but I remember him missing at least 3 for villa and I doubt he's taken as many as 10- that's a poor penalty taking record,.
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He's the least convincing penalty taker I think we've had since, ooh, Juan Pablo Angel.
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I would give the penalty job to Darren Bent now.
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Ashley's penalty taking has never inspired me with confidence. As I said on the post-match thread, your penalty taker needs to be a nine-out-of-tenner. Ashley isn't that.
Giving the responsibility to him is just another manifestation of how he's now allowed to take every dead-ball kick within goal-scoring range, regardless of the fact that he's become increasingly ineffectual.
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What's Bents pen taking record like
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Bent's missed a few. I'm sure he missed 2 in a game last year
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Give it someone who'll leather it down the middle like Barry used to, and Carew IIRC. Keepers usually move one way or the other so they're out of the way, but if they happen to get a touch on it the power should take it through. Maybe Downing?
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He has scored his last four in fairness and all well taken, but like someone has hinted, he put it in the same spot again and the keeper has obviously done his homework beforehand.
Let's face it, if someone else had taken it and missed, we would have been asking why Ash had'nt taken it.
He needs to be taken off free kicks though.
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Give it to Bent , If Ash is fooking off in the summer. I think thats the problem with AshY taking everything , Houlier is letting him get what he wants , hoping he will sign a new contract. Not that I have a problem with that , as long as the set pieces and corners he takes were actually good.
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At least he did hit the target unlike that pathetic Carew effort on Tyneside, I do however feel we need a new penalty taker .
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Ash is the best option in this team at the moment. Rooney has missed as many as Ash this season. Bent's penalty taking record is not very good and his style is laughable. Leave it with Ash till a leader emerges. Penalty takers have to be intelligent footballers and sure footed. Our recent best Barry and Milner fitted that criteria.
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Collins? In the words of Alan Partridge has a foot like a traction engine!
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Bent's technique is good he aims right for the corners and has a really good record.
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Collins? In the words of Alan Partridge has a foot like a traction engine!
didn't Collins take a cracking penalty in the shoot out at Sunderland last season?
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Shrek: Bent's technique is good he aims right for the corners and has a really good record.
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What is his record?
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Law of averages Young was gonna miss one sooner rather than later...never inspires me with confidence from the spot. Doesn't really blast it even, just gets it on target. Give them to Bent....
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What's Bents pen taking record like
Can Bent kick that far? That's a whole 12 yards you know.
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I would have Bent on Pens simply because he does pretty much nothing but score goals, so scoring pens will help keep his confidence up.
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Ash not got enough power with his deadball takes....give it to Dazza to smash down the niddle a la GB/Milner
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Ash is the best option in this team at the moment. Rooney has missed as many as Ash this season. Bent's penalty taking record is not very good and his style is laughable. Leave it with Ash till a leader emerges. Penalty takers have to be intelligent footballers and sure footed. Our recent best Barry and Milner fitted that criteria.
Why do they have to be intelligent? Julian Dicks came across as far from intelligent but he took a mean penalty. Phil Neale rarely missed for Liverpool but didn't seem to be that bright.
In any case I don't think Ash would pass too many intelligence tests. As I've posted on the Ashley Young thread, I though it was incredibly stupid to try and place that pen yesterday when the keeper had offered him 2/3 of the goal to aim at and he placed it softly exactly where he put it last week in a very saveable area of the goal. It was crying out to be blasted as the keeper would have had no chance from where he was standing.
I reckon wuss boy could take a mean pen, he seems to have a good blast on him.
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Bent for me until he misses and then give it to someone else.
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Ash is the best option in this team at the moment. Rooney has missed as many as Ash this season. Bent's penalty taking record is not very good and his style is laughable. Leave it with Ash till a leader emerges. Penalty takers have to be intelligent footballers and sure footed. Our recent best Barry and Milner fitted that criteria.
Why do they have to be intelligent? Julian Dicks came across as far from intelligent but he took a mean penalty. Phil Neale rarely missed for Liverpool but didn't seem to be that bright.
Ok I did not mean they have to brain scientists or rocket surgeons ;) . They have to have a football brain like Teddy Sheringham, Dion Dublin etc. Wayne Rooney may not have many A levels but he has an excellent football brain.
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the best penalty takers have the ability to place the ball after they see which way the goalkeeper moves- Cantona,
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The best penalty taker has got to be Matt Le Tissier - didn't he only ever miss one penalty in his career?
Edit - According to Wiki he scored 48/49.
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The best penalty taker has got to be Matt Le Tissier - didn't he only ever miss one penalty in his career?
Edit - According to Wiki he scored 48/49.
Correct, Mark Crossley saved it!
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That old Scottish bloke at Burnley has only missed something like 3 from about 80.
We should have him train up the Fonz.
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Bent should start taking them from now on,cant remember him missing many!
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Young refusing to shirk spot-kick responsibilities
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/40/b9/0,,10265~9419072,00.jpg)
Ashley Young insists he won't shirk his spot-kick responsibilities despite missing against Bolton - although he admits Darren Bent could step forward for the next penalty.
Young says he has the "strong character" to bounce back from his penalty pain against the Trotters.
The second striker will step forward - unless he's persuaded otherwise by Villa's record signing.
He said: "People may talk about the delay before I took it or their goalkeeper encouraging me to hit it to his right but I wasn't even aware he was doing that. I was totally focused on the penalty.
"The last few I have taken I haven't even looked at the goalkeeper before hitting it. It's been head-down.
"With this one, I stepped up and just hit it the way that I have done with the others I have scored previously.
"It was one of those things. I haven't seen it back. I don't know if it was a poor penalty or he made a good save. I have missed it and I will get over it and focus now.
"I am a strong character. I won't dwell on the penalty miss. I have scored penalties and I have missed some too - and I have always bounced back from them.
"I won't let it get me down and it won't stop me taking another. I definitely will take another.
"I am sure Benty will have his say on the next one. We will have to wait and see.
"Let's see how kind I'm feeling when the next one comes along. I'll see if I let him take it or not."
Young says he will bounce back from the penalty - and he backed the team to come roaring back following the defeat.
The star performer admits there was shock as the players walked off the pitch after the 3-2 defeat because of the amount of chances they created in the game.
He added: "It was incredible to think we lost that game. There was deep disappointment from everyone involved.
"We created so many chances and on another occasion we would have scored four or five goals. But it wasn't to be.
"We were just so frustrated walking off the pitch having lost the game. I was obviously even more frustrated, having missed the penalty when we were two-one up.
"If I had scored, it would have been a totally different game and at two goals ahead we would have been cruising. But it wasn't to be.
"We created chances after it too before they got those two killer goals. We just need to pick ourselves up now and take it into the next game.
"The team will bounce back from the defeat. We have some big personalities and real character in the dressing room. We have bounced back before and we will do it again.
"We have the strength, character and attitude to come roaring back. I thought there were plenty of positives to take from the game. We need to take those into the Wolves match."
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Well looks like Young is the boss then.
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I seriously hope Houllier makes sure Bent is in for the next penalty. And stops Young taking. Free kicks. He is wrecking some of our best chances .......
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What i find most worrying is the fact that the club put it on the OS
It makes it look like AY runs the team
Isn't it the managers decision?
Like Ashley refusing to play unless it's in the hole
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I've never seen a more akward looking penalty taker in my life than Ashley Young.
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Im not fussed who takes them, Bent, Downing, Collins
Just the fact that petulant AY is refusing to give it up. Like a kid trying to hold onto his favourite toy after he's been naughty.
Like I said Im at a loss as to what good the Club thought it would do by putting it on the OS
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FWIW, I think a team should have 2-3 penalty takers, to keep the oppo keepr as poorly-prepared as possible. Variety and unpredictability are the keys to a good penalty-taking record by a team. From the current squad Collins, Bent, Young and Albrighton could all take decent penalties in rotation, I reckon.
Probably won't happen though.
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"I am sure Benty will have his say on the next one. We will have to wait and see.
"Let's see how kind I'm feeling when the next one comes along. I'll see if I let him take it or not."
WTF???
That just proves what many of us have been thinking since he got the arm band. He can't take set-pieces for love nor money but yet he still grabs the ball at every opportunity. Why is this? Because HE is in charge and HE can do what he bloody well likes. Not good for the morale of the team I'd suspect. Particularly some of the older more experienced players.
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the best penalty takers have the ability to place the ball after they see which way the goalkeeper moves- Cantona,
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I agree.
Compare the feeling of confidence & expectation when a player like Cantona stepped-up, alongside how most of us were feeling as Young stood there, hands-on-hips, staring at the ground - You just knew we were seconds away from failure.
Now, for him to say on the OS that he hadn't even looked at the keeper offering him his usual position, makes you wonder if he has anything remotely bordering on a Plan B in his head.
I know it's risky, but to watch as the penalty-taker really 'bosses' the keeper, psyches him out and waits for that first split-second of movement, can make it a moment of skill rather than a 'smash, hope, thank-Christ-for-that' event.