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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: andyh on February 25, 2011, 10:12:07 AM
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Reported on VT and in the Daily Heil that Fxpro have decided to withdraw from sponsoring us, whilst continuing with Fulham.
Its towards the bottom of this (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1360438/Charles-Sale-Cash-strapped-FA-4-000-Ivy-restaurant-bash.html) article.
Not sure how true it is, but is it a bit of a slap in the face for us, that we can't hold onto our club sponsor ?
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how long was our contract with them?
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Fuck em, they'll be a queue lining up to replace them :
LDV
Mita Copiers
Davenports
Muller
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Any chance we can ditch Nike for not fulfilling our expectations?
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Good I think it looks shit on the shirt anyway
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Russian-owned currency traders FxPro, who are shirt sponsors for both Aston Villa and Fulham, had an option in the contracts to withdraw from either £3.5million-a-year deal at the end of the season.
They have chosen to stay with Fulham but ditch the more glamorous Midlands club who haven't fulfilled the greater expectations on the pitch.
The Cyprus-based sponsors are said to have formed a closer relationship with Fulham's commercial team and it also helps having their name on top of a stand at Craven Cottage which lies under the Heathrow flight path.
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Agreed. I also thought thekit didn't look right. The checks, the lettering, all wrong. I believe in the feng shui of these things
And things it's best we move on.
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I guess it will mean next seasons shirts coming out in November then ?
Months looking for new sponsor, then to get the shirt manufactured and distributed.
Thats is if there are any sponsors even out there.
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We may end up getting a better deal for next season from a major firm which could bring in more money to the club.
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Never really loked the look of the shirts. Although the away one isn't too bad.
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Here's a mad idea: how about if Nike occupy the soon-to-be-vacant sponsorship space on next season's shirt, paying the Club the same as FXPro plus a sweetner by way of recompense for the merchandise supply fiasco this season (which probably has had some effect on FxPro's decision to scarper after one season). This would leave a gap where the manufacturer logo would normally go- but they could put an Acorns logo there. Probable result: more goodwill towards Nike from Villa supporters; Nike pull their finger out when it comes to supplying the shops with our kit; increased sales of Villa kits due to them being available ALL SEASON LONG and increased exposure for Acorns once again.
If that scenario played out I might even become a bit more pro-Nike- it'd be nice to see them giving a toss.
It's probably about as likely as a 5-0 win for Blues on Sunday, mind.
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Very shortsighted on their behalf IMO we'll be way above Fulham next season
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Until I read that article I didn't have a clue what FEx actually did.
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Would be great if we could just have a sponsor free shirt again
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If we get a better deal, fine. If we don't then it's back to Acorns nd more revenue lost.
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I'm sure I heard/read something last year about FXPro being in a little financial difficulty (no links, just a hazy memory). Given the state of the world's economy at the moment I would guess that this is more to do with FXPro cutting costs and going for the deal that offers the best value for money for them.
As others have said, I won't miss their presence on our shirts. Hopefully Randy can strike up a better deal with somebody else over the weeks and months ahead.
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The Nike / Acorns thing is not such a mad idea (Rich6by7) can somebody mention this to the General if the FXPro withdrawal rumours are true??
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Good I think it looks shit on the shirt anyway
I agree,dodgy shirt + crappy sponsorship= shit season.
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We may end up getting a better deal for next season from a major firm which could bring in more money to the club.
We could also end up worse off financially due to the season we're having. Hopefully potential sponsors would look at the bigger picture.
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It looks shit on the shirt anyways
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Maybe they believe that Fulham will stay in the Premier League and we won't.
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General, Are reports correct that FxPro will be prematurely ending their sponsorship of us ?
What is the clubs perspective on this ?
Will this leave a big hole, financially and is there an early exit fee payable by FxPro ?
Thanks.
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Maybe they believe that Fulham will stay in the Premier League and we won't.
Probably more to do with Fuham being a London club.
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It looks shit on the shirt anyways
Simply put, absolutely.
FxPro = wankers.
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How good would the shirts look with the letters "H&V" on the front ?
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Meh.
It was a horrible kit and the sponsorship logo added to that.
Wouldn't bet against us having MG on the shirts again as they are trying to build up a profile with them building and selling cars here again. Depends on if they are willing to pay the requisite money.
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Bit annoying because there's probably no one else on the cards yet, meaning we're in for a late release kit... again.
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How good would the shirts look with the letters "H&V" on the front ?
My call to Nichola Keyes is booked for 3.30.
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Maybe they believe that Fulham will stay in the Premier League and we won't.
Probably more to do with Fuham being a London club.
...and that it doesn't cost FXpro as much?
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£3.5m a season is the same as Fulham get? Thought we would have been a much bigger catch.
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£3.5m a season
Now we've got Sidwell and Carew's wages off our books, we could play without a sponsor next season and be not much worse off?
I'd love us not to have a shirt spnsor
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Never really loked the look of the shirts. Although the away one isn't too bad.
The socks are what bug me more than anything
Much prefer Adidas styling anyway though of course it is a matter of opinion
The Acorns logo was distinctive and had a simplicty to it - now we are just like any other team
And how I would love the all white kit back with claret and blue trim - that is what I grew up with my Villa teams playing in away from home...
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get rid of fxpro and have acorns just under the badge and no sponsor. like the man city 3rd kit.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9421/mancity3rd.png) (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/mancity3rd.png/)
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That looks horrible.
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Here's a mad idea: how about if Nike occupy the soon-to-be-vacant sponsorship space on next season's shirt, paying the Club the same as FXPro plus a sweetner by way of recompense for the merchandise supply fiasco this season (which probably has had some effect on FxPro's decision to scarper after one season). This would leave a gap where the manufacturer logo would normally go- but they could put an Acorns logo there. Probable result: more goodwill towards Nike from Villa supporters; Nike pull their finger out when it comes to supplying the shops with our kit; increased sales of Villa kits due to them being available ALL SEASON LONG and increased exposure for Acorns once again.
If that scenario played out I might even become a bit more pro-Nike- it'd be nice to see them giving a toss.
Nice idea, son.
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One idea would be to get rid of branded supplier like Nike etc and have local company make the kit for the Villa and create its own label/brand. Villa is a big enough brand to sell the shirts. Also I would sell the shirt sponsorship to local firms on a match by match basis with Acorns getting 6 or 7 games a season to keep them on the radar.
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One idea would be to get rid of branded supplier like Nike etc and have local company make the kit for the Villa and create its own label/brand. Villa is a big enough brand to sell the shirts. Also I would sell the shirt sponsorship to local firms on a match by match basis with Acorns getting 6 or 7 games a season to keep them on the radar.
I'm sure Villa tried to do something along those lines with the Henson kit of mid-eighties. Henson were Icelandic, admittedly, but I'm sure Villa had some kind of interest in the business. The net result was the worst kit of my Villa supporting life - there wasn't even a badge on it - and, of course, relegation.
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One idea would be to get rid of branded supplier like Nike etc and have local company make the kit for the Villa and create its own label/brand. Villa is a big enough brand to sell the shirts. Also I would sell the shirt sponsorship to local firms on a match by match basis with Acorns getting 6 or 7 games a season to keep them on the radar.
I'm sure Villa tried to do something along those lines with the Henson kit of mid-eighties. Henson were Icelandic, admittedly, but I'm sure Villa had some kind of interest in the business. The net result was the worst kit of my Villa supporting life - there wasn't even a badge on it - and, of course, relegation.
Well tried it once - lets give up.
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I think it's going to be tough but we have to struggle on.
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I don't consider this a slight on us at all. Just because the two deals were worth £3.5m doesn't mean they were comparable - it seems to me Fulham have given them much more bang for their buck.
The advert on the Craven cottage stadium alone is incredibly valuable, as anyone who has flown into Heathrow from the East will tell you.
Plus they're in London, so for the entertaining, PR, corporate hospitality they get as part of the deal they have the dubious draw of the capital.
A strong end to the season and I don't doubt for minute we'll have plenty of people interested.
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I'm pleased as we can get rid of those red and white adverts all along the Trinity Stand.
Not too fussed about the sponsor as long as they have adverts in Claret and Blue
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One idea would be to get rid of branded supplier like Nike etc and have local company make the kit for the Villa and create its own label/brand. Villa is a big enough brand to sell the shirts. Also I would sell the shirt sponsorship to local firms on a match by match basis with Acorns getting 6 or 7 games a season to keep them on the radar.
With all due respect, that sounds like something a pub team would do.
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With all due respect, that sounds like something a pub team would do
Albion did it last season
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Never really loked the look of the shirts. Although the away one isn't too bad.
The socks are what bug me more than anything
Much prefer Adidas styling anyway though of course it is a matter of opinion
The Acorns logo was distinctive and had a simplicty to it - now we are just like any other team
And how I would love the all white kit back with claret and blue trim - that is what I grew up with my Villa teams playing in away from home...
We were always going to struggle this year playing in claret socks.
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That Henson yellow away kit fetches big money now
Ironic as we played the shittest football I've seen from a villa side in that strip
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Gutted.
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The checks and general layout of the current shirt are far more offensive than the actual sponsor. On a decent kit it would look OK.
I think the checks are RL's idea too, tying in with the design on the website and other rebranding efforts. So it's not as if nike have pushed it on us.
Always looked far to close to that monstrosity of a kit from 2005/06 for my liking, and we've endured a similar season to date.
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The checks were on the original kit of that French club who had that design a few years ago.
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I'm surprised MBNA isn't shirt sponsor
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Never really loked the look of the shirts. Although the away one isn't too bad.
The socks are what bug me more than anything
Much prefer Adidas styling anyway though of course it is a matter of opinion
The Acorns logo was distinctive and had a simplicty to it - now we are just like any other team
And how I would love the all white kit back with claret and blue trim - that is what I grew up with my Villa teams playing in away from home...
We were always going to struggle this year playing in claret socks.
Ha, great minds think alike Lee because that is just what I do think whenever I see us in them. Can't stand claret socks...
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Are we allowed to change them to light blue mid-season?
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I'm surprised MBNA isn't shirt sponsor
Why?
The Lerner family sold their stake years ago.
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Can we have WBA as a sponsor & see if they go out of business?
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Meh.
It was a horrible kit and the sponsorship logo added to that.
Wouldn't bet against us having MG on the shirts again as they are trying to build up a profile with them building and selling cars here again. Depends on if they are willing to pay the requisite money.
a Villa kit can never be described as 'horrible'. Unless its a henson, hummel, or has green and red stripes i suppose.
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I'm surprised MBNA isn't shirt sponsor
Why?
The Lerner family sold their stake years ago.
Thought randy was CEO?
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Here's a mad idea: how about if Nike occupy the soon-to-be-vacant sponsorship space on next season's shirt, paying the Club the same as FXPro plus a sweetner by way of recompense for the merchandise supply fiasco this season (which probably has had some effect on FxPro's decision to scarper after one season). This would leave a gap where the manufacturer logo would normally go- but they could put an Acorns logo there. Probable result: more goodwill towards Nike from Villa supporters; Nike pull their finger out when it comes to supplying the shops with our kit; increased sales of Villa kits due to them being available ALL SEASON LONG and increased exposure for Acorns once again.
There's been some intyeresting suggestions on this thread, this one being my favourite. I reckon get some H & V'ers, some people from Villa trust together with Faulkner, bang out a few suggestions, vote on Facebook, sorted.
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Chuppa Chupps ?
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Chuppa Chupps ?
Wouldn't get enough lolly for that.
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If we get a better deal, fine. If we don't then it's back to Acorns nd more revenue lost.
That revenue = 1 players wages. I'd rather we sacked Beye and did without altogether. And went back to umbro. Although the chances of a shirt with three stripes on the collar from a maker other than adidas is about as likely as us winning the league this year....
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Another triumph for our CEO.
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Another triumph for our CEO.
Of course. I would imagine he has a great deal of input into FXPro's business strategy.
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andyh: This "divorce" took place earlier...and, for some reason, the papers just picked up on it. It is not as big a deal as it is being made out to be. We will be paid thru the end of this season and we already are in talks with other potential sponsors. This will not have any real impact on our operating budget...after all, we went of several years without any sponsor other than acorns.
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General
Regarding FXPro - I am not bothered - as long as they pay the money, I wouldn't care if we had Tampax written on the front.
The question I , and I would imagine most fans want to know is will this effect the new kit being released. Surely to god after this year, that would be ridiculous.
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Thanks very much for the reply General, and its good to know we are already looking at new opportunities.
Lets just hope it does not have a knock on effect with replica kit availabilty next season.
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The General has confirmed the 'divorce' with FxPro, and that we are exploring other sponsorship options.
FxPro were shit anyway !
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I have no problem with it, As long as the shirts aren't delayed for a 2nd year. I don't want to have to boycott it again
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Another triumph for our CEO.
Crikey, that's a bit pathetic, and I suspect you know it.
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Can we have WBA as a sponsor & see if they go out of business?
Please Please Please
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We could wear a see-through sponsor. We still get the money, but don't tarnish the shirt. I can't see any flaws with that idea at all. Might suggest it to the General.
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Fukpro who needs them...crap name and prob very dodgy outfit. I mean Russian owned Cyprus based ....nuff said!
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Not a major disaster is it? Bring back Mita Copiers.
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Looked at logically, if they want to cut back there's probably little between any of the non-Champions League sides. We all get much the same TV coverage, Villa will sell more shirts than Fulham even if they only go on sale in November. The big difference is the London factor and that advert on the Heathrow flightpath.
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And the fact that Fulham will do whatever they want.
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Good I think it looks shit on the shirt anyway
Yes it does, it's not too bad on the black one, but on the home one, it looks a bit iffy.
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Next year's sponsor revealed...
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/richard-dunne.jpg)
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Not a major disaster is it? Bring back Mita Copiers.
Here, here!
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Next year's sponsor revealed...
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/richard-dunne.jpg)
That made me laugh much more than it should have
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Cadbury on the home kit, Kraft on the away kit & a Creme Egg special leading up to Easter. With blue socks, & most importantly for me bring a superstitious type blue change shorts too - not claret.
You read it here first.
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GK, what is the liklihood of having the new home and away shirts on sale during the summer months this year...or is the sponsor talks likely to mess that up now ?
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General,
any chance the shirts could be on display in our last home game against Liverpool to drum up sales? At the very least, please ensure the home kit's on sale by June 6th (my birthday)!
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What I want to know is how come Fulham and ourselves were on the same amount, I would have thought we were 4 or 5 times as big a club as they are. Especially when you consider that negotiations would have taken place after 2 successive 6th place finishes and while we were fighting for a champions league spot!
Either we have terrible negotiators or Fulham have extremely good ones!
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The checks are here to stay, look at the programme, season tickets, internal branding in the ground. It's part of the branding by the looks of things.
The lack of sponsor signed up now must be a concern after what happened this season. Our value has dropped significantly with the likelihood of no European Football and general poor performances on the pitch, so they won't get anywhere near £3.5m this year.
Oh and the roof top ad for at Craven Cottage is probably worth £1-2m per year in media value.
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Are we allowed to change them to light blue mid-season?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjQLLqv-NmwK7F2nbM6SFqeihJ-aMsTpo4MGSOo-zknp8CBsw6
We had blue socks against Sunderland away this season. Got to agree that looks much better.
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A few Birmingham born companies who could possibily sponsor us who haven't in previous years.
Cadbury's.
IMI.
Birds Custard.
HP Sauces.
Lloyds Banking group.
HSBC(Midland bank).
Typhoo Tea.
Wing Yip.
However knowing Villa It will end up being.
Libyan Air.
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Next year's sponsor revealed...
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/richard-dunne.jpg)
That made me laugh much more than it should have
Yes me too, Very good
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I'm surprised MBNA isn't shirt sponsor
Me too, or American Express , that would be classy !
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What I want to know is how come Fulham and ourselves were on the same amount, I would have thought we were 4 or 5 times as big a club as they are. Especially when you consider that negotiations would have taken place after 2 successive 6th place finishes and while we were fighting for a champions league spot!
Either we have terrible negotiators or Fulham have extremely good ones!
think you'll find that your opinion is pathetic. We're not in control pf anything that goes wrong. Our best players, our manager, our commercial agreements with sponsors... Whatever we do is great and if it isn't great then that's someone else's fault and there was nothing we could do about it anyway.
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i am not sure how they can renege on a contract, unless there is a clause added that allows them to (which has to be the case, considering they have done)... in which case, give whoever agreed to such a clause a slap on the wrist...
although from an aesthetic perspective, i am delighted... but only if those god awful chequered things are also removed... appalling bit of design that looks like the junior just found the align tool and the creatvie director didnt care enough to give them a punch in the face for being fucking useless....
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What I want to know is how come Fulham and ourselves were on the same amount, I would have thought we were 4 or 5 times as big a club as they are. Especially when you consider that negotiations would have taken place after 2 successive 6th place finishes and while we were fighting for a champions league spot!
Either we have terrible negotiators or Fulham have extremely good ones!
think you'll find that your opinion is pathetic. We're not in control pf anything that goes wrong. Our best players, our manager, our commercial agreements with sponsors... Whatever we do is great and if it isn't great then that's someone else's fault and there was nothing we could do about it anyway.
I'd stick to numbers if I were you.
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General,
What do you think was behind the comment that they had forged a better relationship with Fulham?
Sorry-wrong thread. :-[
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After the transfer window blew away criticisms that Randy had given up on Villa, cynics now choose to round on the Board because a sponsorship deal has fallen through. It's a bit sad really. We will get another sponsor we're not West Brom.
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Oh and the roof top ad for at Craven Cottage is probably worth £1-2m per year in media value.
Really?
I know fuck all about advertising but I'd have thought that if that were the case there would be more value in getting a big sign on another building under the flightpath, a school or something.
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What I want to know is how come Fulham and ourselves were on the same amount, I would have thought we were 4 or 5 times as big a club as they are. Especially when you consider that negotiations would have taken place after 2 successive 6th place finishes and while we were fighting for a champions league spot!
Either we have terrible negotiators or Fulham have extremely good ones!
think you'll find that your opinion is pathetic. We're not in control pf anything that goes wrong. Our best players, our manager, our commercial agreements with sponsors... Whatever we do is great and if it isn't great then that's someone else's fault and there was nothing we could do about it anyway.
I'd stick to numbers if I were you.
"Exciting and important" Shirt sponsorship deal = 3 years
Shirt sponsorship deal cancelled = 8 months
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I would love our kit to be released before the summer holiday, so i can wear it on holiday.
I was always abit wiery of FxPro, i felt that we must not be getting the best deal if they are sponsoring two premiership teams.
But I think that Randy and Co are constantly learning and will not let the sponsor/Kit ordeal of last year happen again.
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I notice that Cadbury's advertise at the Sty, no sign of them at VP? Wasn't there a rumour about FEDex a while ago? Villa could do with attracting a quality Corporate brand.
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The shirts look better without sponsors anyway. Ever since Mita Copiers it seems none of our sponsors last longer than 2-3 years, it always ends prematurely. AST Computer pulled out after 3 years when it was originally announced it was going to be a long term deal. I thought Acorns would last longer than just the two seasons.
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Oh and the roof top ad for at Craven Cottage is probably worth £1-2m per year in media value.
Really?
I know fuck all about advertising but I'd have thought that if that were the case there would be more value in getting a big sign on another building under the flightpath, a school or something.
It's nonsense, that is the sort of figure you'd pay for a prime site in Times Sq. New York.
The Charles Sale comment did mention that the roof branding helps but his reasoning was that the sponsors are said to have formed a closer relationship with Fulham's commercial team.
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The shirts look better without sponsors anyway. Ever since Mita Copiers it seems none of our sponsors last longer than 2-3 years, it always ends prematurely. AST Computer pulled out after 3 years when it was originally announced it was going to be a long term deal. I thought Acorns would last longer than just the two seasons.
All true but the teams we hoped to be competing with by now all have deals worth over £10m a season, thats the cost of a first team .
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I don't consider this a slight on us at all. Just because the two deals were worth £3.5m doesn't mean they were comparable - it seems to me Fulham have given them much more bang for their buck.
The advert on the Craven cottage stadium alone is incredibly valuable, as anyone who has flown into Heathrow from the East will tell you.
Plus they're in London, so for the entertaining, PR, corporate hospitality they get as part of the deal they have the dubious draw of the capital.
A strong end to the season and I don't doubt for minute we'll have plenty of people interested.
Thought it was Brentford rather than Fulham that has the advertising on the roof of the stand in the heathrow flight path]
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According to Mat Kendrick FX Pro approached both Villa and Fulham to renegotiate their sponsorship deals at a lower price. Villa said no and Fulham said yes. So it's nothing to do with Fulham being more of a pull than Villa.
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The test will be in whether we can get a prompt, suitable and big replacement deal.
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Given Houllier's horrible record of conceding late on, I suggest lastminute.com
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I'm sure I read recently that the Premiership have passed a rule that from next season teams can have multiple sponsors like in the Football League - back of shirts & arse of shorts. The Commercial Team have their work cut out filling Dunne's space.
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What I want to know is how come Fulham and ourselves were on the same amount, I would have thought we were 4 or 5 times as big a club as they are. Especially when you consider that negotiations would have taken place after 2 successive 6th place finishes and while we were fighting for a champions league spot!
Either we have terrible negotiators or Fulham have extremely good ones!
think you'll find that your opinion is pathetic. We're not in control pf anything that goes wrong. Our best players, our manager, our commercial agreements with sponsors... Whatever we do is great and if it isn't great then that's someone else's fault and there was nothing we could do about it anyway.
I'd stick to numbers if I were you.
"Exciting and important" Shirt sponsorship deal = 3 years
Shirt sponsorship deal cancelled = 8 months
And that's the fault of anyone at the Villa because?
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What I want to know is how come Fulham and ourselves were on the same amount, I would have thought we were 4 or 5 times as big a club as they are. Especially when you consider that negotiations would have taken place after 2 successive 6th place finishes and while we were fighting for a champions league spot!
Either we have terrible negotiators or Fulham have extremely good ones!
think you'll find that your opinion is pathetic. We're not in control pf anything that goes wrong. Our best players, our manager, our commercial agreements with sponsors... Whatever we do is great and if it isn't great then that's someone else's fault and there was nothing we could do about it anyway.
I'd stick to numbers if I were you.
"Exciting and important" Shirt sponsorship deal = 3 years
Shirt sponsorship deal cancelled = 8 months
And that's the fault of anyone at the Villa because?
because it should be someones job to maintain a good relationship with our biggest sponsor.
At the time the deal was signed, Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa, said: “This is the biggest deal we have ever done. The previous biggest was the Nike kit sponsorship which was worth more than £10 million.
“This was a big process for us. We had a team of people looking for the right partner locally, nationally and internationally.
For them to walk out after a few months, is a cock-up and typifies the type of big mistakes that have been made since Faulkner became CEO.
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Reported on VT and in the Daily Heil that Fxpro have decided to withdraw from sponsoring us, whilst continuing with Fulham.
Its towards the bottom of this (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1360438/Charles-Sale-Cash-strapped-FA-4-000-Ivy-restaurant-bash.html) article.
Not sure how true it is, but is it a bit of a slap in the face for us, that we can't hold onto our club sponsor ?
It was "reported" in Golden Muppets about 2 months ago.
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For them to walk out after a few months, is a cock-up and typifies the type of big mistakes that have been made since Faulkner became CEO.
The problem is, you have no idea whether it is a "cock up" by anyone, let alone enough information to point the finger at Faulkner.
This could be something entirely down to decisions at their end, but obviously, seeing as Faulkner is your bete noir, you've decided it is his fault.
Somewhat ridiculous given that your current signature is "facts are sacred".
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because it should be someones job to maintain a good relationship with our biggest sponsor.
At the time the deal was signed, Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa, said: “This is the biggest deal we have ever done. The previous biggest was the Nike kit sponsorship which was worth more than £10 million.
“This was a big process for us. We had a team of people looking for the right partner locally, nationally and internationally.
For them to walk out after a few months, is a cock-up and typifies the type of big mistakes that have been made since Faulkner became CEO.
You're ever so good at saying what "should" happen but sadly this isn't some sort of dream world where things go exactly how you want them to. Sponsors find themselves over-stretched. Star players have their heads turned by richer clubs. Wankers walk out at awkward times. None of this "should" happen, but it does.
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If Kendrick's take on it is anywhere near the truth, I'm not sure what other options we had.
I guess it comes down to how much we value the Villa brand. If we're content to take any old shite then, yes, it may be acceptable to take a lower price than the one originally negotiated. Or any price for that matter. It sets a precedent when you do that, mind. And could mark us out as a soft touch.
If £3.5 million per annum was the figure we needed to make sponsorship worthwhile, taking less than that doesn't make sense.
Presumably we've been paid for this year, we might have a bit more idea about the competence or otherwise of our CEO based on the deal we strike this summer. If it's on a par (or better) than the FX Pro deal then great. If it's substantially lower then, yes, we might have to wonder what is going on.
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For them to walk out after a few months, is a cock-up and typifies the type of big mistakes that have been made since Faulkner became CEO.
The problem is, you have no idea whether it is a "cock up" by anyone, let alone enough information to point the finger at Faulkner.
This could be something entirely down to decisions at their end, but obviously, seeing as Faulkner is your bete noir, you've decided it is his fault.
Somewhat ridiculous given that your current signature is "facts are sacred".
I know for a fact that we have lost our biggest ever sponsorship deal after only a few months. By most definitions that would be called a cock-up
I know for a fact that a CEO is responsible for running the business and that this is just the latest in a series of cock-ups since Faulkner was appointed as our CEO.
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Doesn't the Nike deal finish at the end of this season? If so, there'd be a new kit for next season with the new manufacturers so a change in sponsor isn't that big a deal IMO.
Wasn't particularly happy that we were being sponsored by the same company as Fulham anyway, so as long as we can get a sponsor who is willing to offer as much/more than FX Pro I'm quite pleased with the situation.
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pretty sure we would have signed the best deal that was available at that time, the sponsor has now pulled out, more likely because of thier situation not ours, although us languishing at the wrong end of the league will not have helped, how is that Faulkners fault?
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I know for a fact that we have lost our biggest ever sponsorship deal after only a few months. By most definitions that would be called a cock-up
If only life were simple. Sometimes things happen which are beyond your control.
If Kendrick is to be believed and FXPro wanted a lower price, how do you know it wasn't so low as to be considerably less than we can get elsewhere next season?
The fact is, you don't know. I don't know either, incidentally, which is why I'm not rushing to point the finger at anyone. Then again, I don't have an agenda, whereas, ever since MON went, you've decided Faulkner is to blame for everything, a view which you alone seem to hold on here - usually a sign you're wrong.
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How do you know for a fact that Faulkner played any part in FX Pro's decision, to either offer less money or to pull out altogether?
Also, what are these other cock-ups? Cock-ups plural, so I'm sure you'll be able to furnish us with plenty of factual examples that aren't guesswork/ flights of fantasy on your part.
Edit: Señor Bentnuts has pretty much covered it.
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because it should be someones job to maintain a good relationship with our biggest sponsor.
At the time the deal was signed, Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa, said: “This is the biggest deal we have ever done. The previous biggest was the Nike kit sponsorship which was worth more than £10 million.
“This was a big process for us. We had a team of people looking for the right partner locally, nationally and internationally.
For them to walk out after a few months, is a cock-up and typifies the type of big mistakes that have been made since Faulkner became CEO.
You're ever so good at saying what "should" happen but sadly this isn't some sort of dream world where things go exactly how you want them to. Sponsors find themselves over-stretched. Star players have their heads turned by richer clubs. Wankers walk out at awkward times. None of this "should" happen, but it does.
To be honest I'm not a big fan of using the "shit happens" approach to building a successful club.
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Reported on VT and in the Daily Heil that Fxpro have decided to withdraw from sponsoring us, whilst continuing with Fulham.
Its towards the bottom of this (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1360438/Charles-Sale-Cash-strapped-FA-4-000-Ivy-restaurant-bash.html) article.
Not sure how true it is, but is it a bit of a slap in the face for us, that we can't hold onto our club sponsor ?
It was "reported" in Golden Muppets about 2 months ago.
you tell em Mac
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because it should be someones job to maintain a good relationship with our biggest sponsor.
At the time the deal was signed, Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa, said: “This is the biggest deal we have ever done. The previous biggest was the Nike kit sponsorship which was worth more than £10 million.
“This was a big process for us. We had a team of people looking for the right partner locally, nationally and internationally.
For them to walk out after a few months, is a cock-up and typifies the type of big mistakes that have been made since Faulkner became CEO.
You're ever so good at saying what "should" happen but sadly this isn't some sort of dream world where things go exactly how you want them to. Sponsors find themselves over-stretched. Star players have their heads turned by richer clubs. Wankers walk out at awkward times. None of this "should" happen, but it does.
To be honest I'm not a big fan of using the "shit happens" approach to building a successful club.
you're quick to slam Faulkner, but when he managed to sign the likes of Makoun, then smash our transfer record to get Bent, before finishing things off nicely with Bradley, I don't recall you coming on here giving him any credit. If you're going to lambast the bloke (yet again) for something that might be nothing at all to do with him, have the decency to show some balance when he clearly does something good.
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because it should be someones job to maintain a good relationship with our biggest sponsor.
At the time the deal was signed, Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa, said: “This is the biggest deal we have ever done. The previous biggest was the Nike kit sponsorship which was worth more than £10 million.
“This was a big process for us. We had a team of people looking for the right partner locally, nationally and internationally.
For them to walk out after a few months, is a cock-up and typifies the type of big mistakes that have been made since Faulkner became CEO.
You're ever so good at saying what "should" happen but sadly this isn't some sort of dream world where things go exactly how you want them to. Sponsors find themselves over-stretched. Star players have their heads turned by richer clubs. Wankers walk out at awkward times. None of this "should" happen, but it does.
To be honest I'm not a big fan of using the "shit happens" approach to building a successful club.
You're a big fan of the shit that walked out though.
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Let's get Bathams to stump up a few bob! A free pint each for every game - what's not to like...?
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because it should be someones job to maintain a good relationship with our biggest sponsor.
At the time the deal was signed, Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa, said: “This is the biggest deal we have ever done. The previous biggest was the Nike kit sponsorship which was worth more than £10 million.
“This was a big process for us. We had a team of people looking for the right partner locally, nationally and internationally.
For them to walk out after a few months, is a cock-up and typifies the type of big mistakes that have been made since Faulkner became CEO.
You're ever so good at saying what "should" happen but sadly this isn't some sort of dream world where things go exactly how you want them to. Sponsors find themselves over-stretched. Star players have their heads turned by richer clubs. Wankers walk out at awkward times. None of this "should" happen, but it does.
To be honest I'm not a big fan of using the "shit happens" approach to building a successful club.
You're a big fan of the shit that walked out though.
I'm a fan of anyone who improves the club.
Has Faulkner been helpful to you personally and/or professionally?
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I'm a fan of anyone who improves the club.
Has Faulkner been helpful to you personally and/or professionally?
Profesionally, yes he has. As have many other people. Perhaps you may care to explain what you mean by 'personally'.
You may also wish to tell us how the man you continue to idolise has "improved the club" since he walked out on it.
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Do you really think that Faulkner has that much power? How many of these deals do you think go straight over Faulkner's head up to Randy? Especially if he is as hands on as many imagine.
We also have no idea what goes on behind closed doors at FXPro and what their policies are.
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Seems to me that a sponsor who signs a deal, then comes back and asks for a discount, is going to pull that stunt again if you once say 'yes'.
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Seems to me that a sponsor who signs a deal, then comes back and asks for a discount, is going to pull that stunt again if you once say 'yes'.
That, or other current sponsors see it and think 'why are we paying x amount when we can probably renegotiate and bring it down too?'
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Balls to FX-whatever. Trading Forex like a pro sounds crude anyway.
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I'm a fan of anyone who improves the club.
Really?
You weren't much of a fan of Randy Lerner over the summer, were you? You were there telling us how he hasn't really invested that much, how we had to sell to buy, how the spending had stopped, but then we spent 24 million pounds on a striker. You then took a few days off, then went back to form.
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Balls to FX-whatever.
Too fucking right.
The only thing they have worth watching is that zombie program, and even that's gone a bit shit.
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Dexter is good.
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Dexter is good.
I dunno, they show Family Guy and King of the Hill too.
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I have a bit of a headache. I blame Paul Faulkner. I also blame him for the Birmingham pub bombings and the Holocaust.
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I'm a fan of anyone who improves the club.
Really?
You weren't much of a fan of Randy Lerner over the summer, were you? You were there telling us how he hasn't really invested that much, how we had to sell to buy, how the spending had stopped, but then we spent 24 million pounds on a striker. You then took a few days off, then went back to form.
Yeah, I thought it was a bad time to focus on reducing wages and stop investing in the playing squad because we'd go backwards. I also thought we were going to only spend money raised from selling players i.e. sell-to-buy.
What's your point? Isn't that exactly what has happened?
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No it's not what happened. We made about 50p profit on Milner (by the time you take into account his loyalty fee, signing on fee, wages and bonuses) and we spent £18-£24 million on Bent. Why can't you accept you were wrong and be happy that your club is showing loads of ambition?
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I think you'll find it's YOUR club.
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What I want to know is how come Fulham and ourselves were on the same amount, I would have thought we were 4 or 5 times as big a club as they are. Especially when you consider that negotiations would have taken place after 2 successive 6th place finishes and while we were fighting for a champions league spot!
Either we have terrible negotiators or Fulham have extremely good ones!
think you'll find that your opinion is pathetic. We're not in control pf anything that goes wrong. Our best players, our manager, our commercial agreements with sponsors... Whatever we do is great and if it isn't great then that's someone else's fault and there was nothing we could do about it anyway.
I'd like to think that perhaps we're worth a little more than Fulham when it comes to sponsorship deals.
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I'd like to think that perhaps we're worth a little more than Fulham when it comes to sponsorship deals.
Maybe we are, maybe FxPro asked to renegotiate the deal for less money and we told them to do one because we can get better?
I'll wait for the details and the new shirt sponsor before slagging off the club myself.
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I'd like to think that perhaps we're worth a little more than Fulham when it comes to sponsorship deals.
Maybe we are, maybe FxPro asked to renegotiate the deal for less money and we told them to do one because we can get better?
I'll wait for the details and the new shirt sponsor before slagging off the club myself.
But then you haven't wanked grooves into your old chap because of a fixation on the twat of a former manager and decided to blame CEO's and Owner's instead of facing up to the reality of it all.
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I have wanked grooves into my old chap, but usually while watching Suzanne Verdi rather than thinking about O'Neill.
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I'd like to think that perhaps we're worth a little more than Fulham when it comes to sponsorship deals.
Maybe we are, maybe FxPro asked to renegotiate deal for less money and we told them to do one because we can get better?
I'll wait for the details and the new shirt sponsor before slagging off the club myself.
There's a difference between wanting to know the implications for the club and slagging them off.
It's a little discouraging that after 2 years of not being able to find a suitable sponsor when we do get one they clear off after 12 months. Our negotiating position will be weakened because we're no longer a top 6 side but hopefully we can at least match the previous deal otherwise I worry that ticket prices might have to go up again.
Personally I don't like the fact that we have to have a sponsor but accept that is a reality of modern football.
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We're always on the tele though, more so than most- its up to FxPro I guess.
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So far we have only had one journalist comment on this story and he says FXPro wanted to renegotiate to a smaller fee. In which case, we may well have been right to say no.
Some on here, with an irrational and unfathomable dislike of Paul Faulkner, see this as evidence that he is useless and that Fulham are a bigger draw than us. I have no idea what Mr Faulkner has done to upset them. Being under-50 seems to be his main crime.
Oh and Cooper, piss off. Virdee's mine.
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Next year's sponsor revealed...
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/richard-dunne.jpg)
Pukka
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Oh and Cooper, piss off. Virdee's mine.
I'll let you stir my porridge if you like.
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Fukpro who needs them...crap name and prob very dodgy outfit. I mean Russian owned Cyprus based ....nuff said!
Totally.
Get a proper company or go back to Acorns I say.
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We're always on the tele though, more so than most- its up to FxPro I guess.
I would imagine that TV coverage is so wall to wall now that apart from the Champions League clubs, everyone has more or less the same exposure. None of us know what a sponsor looks for and it might be that having the ground a bus ride from the West End and that Heathrow flightpath roof advert count for more than having won the European Cup in 1982.
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Since Faulkner has been at the club we've gone backwards. I think doubts about him are perfectly rational. He might be brilliant at his job but until we see something concrete to support it questions will remain. Commercial income is his area and which ever way we dress it up our main sponsor pulling out isn't great.
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It's not Paul Faulkner's fault FXPro can't balance their books.
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It's not Paul Faulkner's fault FXPro can't balance their books.
I agree, I'm just surprised that they have a contract that allows them to just walk away and that we didn't have an exclusive deal in the first place.
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Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.
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Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.
What do you base that on?
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Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.
What do you base that on?
Nike for a start, add to that we always seem to have trouble with sponsorship either getting it,losing it or the sponsor going bump.
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Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.
What do you base that on?
I'm guessing he is alluding to allowing WW1 to affect the plans for having the best ground in the country and stopping our dominance in the league. Also that we didn't write into the rules that as a founding member of the league we get 30 points at the start of every season to separate us from the johnny come latelies. Need I go on?
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Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.
What do you base that on?
Nike for a start, add to that we always seem to have trouble with sponsorship either getting it,losing it or the sponsor going bump.
I fail to see how a supplier problem is our fault and how exactly does Mita Copiers or LDV going out of business years after they were our sponsor make us a soft touch?
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Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.
What do you base that on?
Nike for a start, add to that we always seem to have trouble with sponsorship either getting it,losing it or the sponsor going bump.
I fail to see how a supplier problem is our fault and how exactly does Mita Copiers or LDV going out of business years after they were our sponsor make us a soft touch?
Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.
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Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.
There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.
We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?
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Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.
There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.
We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?
Name one.For every so called good deal I can give you a bad deal.£750,00 off 32RED a season for a start.
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Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.
There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.
We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?
Name one.For every so called good deal I can give you a bad deal.£750,00 off 32RED a season for a start.
Surely he doesn't need to name any, as you've just indicated yourself that there are some?
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OK let's see.A new sponsor will be announced in July,New kit out in December.Hope I am wrong.
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Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.
There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.
We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?
Name one.For every so called good deal I can give you a bad deal.£750,00 off 32RED a season for a start.
The initial Nike deal. Remember how we were doing it in our trousers about having Villa shirts on sale all over the world? The Acorns sponsrship which got us so much good coverage and which nobody criticised at the time. Further back there was selling £10 million-worth of shares to NTL for £27 million and paying £2 million to buy them back. Selling the Serpentine for £8 million and still using it.
Incidentally, the definition of a 'bad deal' is a bit more than a supporter saying "We should have got more" without saying how.
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Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.
There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.
We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?
Name one.For every so called good deal I can give you a bad deal.£750,00 off 32RED a season for a start.
The initial Nike deal. Remember how we were doing it in our trousers about having Villa shirts on sale all over the world? The Acorns sponsrship which got us so much good coverage and which nobody criticised at the time. Further back there was selling £10 million-worth of shares to NTL for £27 million and paying £2 million to buy them back. Selling the Serpentine for £8 million and still using it.
Incidentally, the definition of a 'bad deal' is a bit more than a supporter saying "We should have got more" without saying how.
I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.
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I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.
And how is that Villa's fault?
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I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.
And how is that Villa's fault?
It's Nike's.
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I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.
And how is that Villa's fault?
It's Nike's.
You can't make shops stock your goods. There are more books about Manchester United in the city centre WH Smith than about Villa. I know from first-hand experience whose fault that it, and it's not the publishers or the Villa's.
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I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.
And how is that Villa's fault?
It's Nike's.
You can't make shops stock your goods. There are more books about Manchester United in the city centre WH Smith than about Villa. I know from first-hand experience whose fault that it, and it's not the publishers or the Villa's.
I know what your saying,but wasn't that why we tried so hard to get Nike in the first place?
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I know what your saying,but wasn't that why we tried so hard to get Nike in the first place?
I would imagine so, but I also think we always come up against the reality that Aston Villa is not that big a name outside the Midlands. That's why our sponsorship deals are never as big as we think they should be.
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I know what your saying,but wasn't that why we tried so hard to get Nike in the first place?
I would imagine so, but I also think we always come up against the reality that Aston Villa is not that big a name outside the Midlands. That's why our sponsorship deals are never as big as we think they should be.
Agreed.
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I know what your saying,but wasn't that why we tried so hard to get Nike in the first place?
I would imagine so, but I also think we always come up against the reality that Aston Villa is not that big a name outside the Midlands. That's why our sponsorship deals are never as big as we think they should be.
Your spot on there Dave as you were with the point you made about Fulham, London and the sign on the Heathrow flight path
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I think it says more about Nuneaton for me. Even around here you can find Villa shirts in shops no bother at all.
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I think it says more about Nuneaton for me. Even around here you can find Villa shirts in shops no bother at all.
Nuneaton is a shit hole.The original big 4 town.
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Thought it was Brentford rather than Fulham that has the advertising on the roof of the stand in the heathrow flight path
They both do
Although Brentford's ground is in absolute prime location for planes landing at Heathrow.
I've flown over Brentford when a game's been on and you can see the sponsors on the players' shirts, never mind the roof of the stand
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Thought it was Brentford rather than Fulham that has the advertising on the roof of the stand in the heathrow flight path
They both do
Although Brentford's ground is in absolute prime location for planes landing at Heathrow.
I've flown over Brentford when a game's been on and you can see the sponsors on the players' shirts, never mind the roof of the stand
I think it was Brentford who had a competition in their fanzine (or was it the official programme?) a few years ago, to decide what slogan to have on their roof.
The winning entry was "FLUSH OVER FULHAM".
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I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.
And how is that Villa's fault?
It's Nike's.
You can't make shops stock your goods. There are more books about Manchester United in the city centre WH Smith than about Villa. I know from first-hand experience whose fault that it, and it's not the publishers or the Villa's.
Although I do like that you can buy Villa merch in HMV now
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Not for long.
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Why?
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They'll be out of business?
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Closing down, I think.
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They're definitely out of Villa stuff in the HMV's over here in Canada.
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I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.
And how is that Villa's fault?
I noticed there was no Villa stock in the new Decathlon in Wednesbury. Direct in IKEA's catchment area, the club are surely missing a trick here. The club should be pushing stock in here.
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I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.
And how is that Villa's fault?
I noticed there was no Villa stock in the new Decathlon in Wednesbury. Direct in IKEA's catchment area, the club are surely missing a trick here. The club should be pushing stock in here.
Most of it isn't the club's stock to push - it's the manufacturer who does the selling. And yet again, buying is probably done by someone from Surrey (or Michigan/Tokyo/Shanghai) who's never heard of Aston Villa.
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Closing down, I think.
Oh I get ya sorry, I don't think the big HMV will close down
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I think it says more about Nuneaton for me. Even around here you can find Villa shirts in shops no bother at all.
Nuneaton is a shit hole.The original big 4 town.
The 4 being reference to the average number of digits on local hands.
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Closing down, I think.
Oh I get ya sorry, I don't think the big HMV will close down
Why not? Their share price has tanked by 65% in the last 3 months.