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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on February 20, 2011, 04:04:24 PM
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Away we go....
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Against a proper club.
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Well, could have been a whole lot worse. Blose getting a good draw again
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fucking hell....the rags drawn at home again....missed all the big teams again
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Blues off to Wembley again then. Jammy bastards.
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Lets just beat them at Wembley then !!!
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Doesn't mean a fat lot for us until we get past £iteh.
Noses playing on the cabbage patch again and avoid the top teams.
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Bolton will beat blues.
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Bolton will beat blues.
I was just thinking that.They have had far too much luck in both cups.
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Spawny bastards get the pick of the draw again.
Still. should take their eyes off the league, hopefully their form will slide accordingly.
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1 Stoke City v West Ham United or Burnley
2 Manchester City or Aston Villa v Everton or Reading
3 Birmingham City v Fulham or Bolton Wanderers
4 Manchester United v Leyton Orient or Arsenal
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Told you the cup draws always go in their favour. ANOTHER home draw for those neanderthals. Ridiculous.
No doubt they'll win that scoring in the 93rd minute, play Stoke in the semi's, win that in lucky fashion and be in the final again. Just go away small heath. Rotten scumbags.
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Well if we get past City we're capable of doing Everton.
Fingers crossed again.
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Who gives a shit about Small Heath?
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Nine out of the first 12 posts are about them. It's a good job they're the obsessed ones.
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Could be Reading in the QF again for the 2nd year running.
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A semi against Small heath at Wembley- it is written.
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Well if we get past City we're capable of doing Everton.
Fingers crossed again.
That's one positive.
Could of been worse... get past citeh and play Arsenal or United in the semi's.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
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Hopefully we can get past Citeh, then it's a decent draw.
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Nine out of the first 12 posts are about them. It's a good job they're the obsessed ones.
Well, it is the 6th round draw, and they are one the few teams properly in it. We haven't got passed the 5th round yet.
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We're the Villa. We can beat Citeh, they might rest a couple.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
We won't be favourites due to their home record but its ridiculous to say we have no fucking chance.
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Mancini will field a very strong team against us. The FA cup final is a couple of games away so is the closest they are to getting a trophy (which they are desperate for). They are out of the prem title race and have several rounds to go in UEFA cup.
I still hope we win at Eastlands.
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A semi against Small heath at Wembley- it is written.
The Met police would be in dreamland
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I think it's entirely possible that we can beat Man City, but I wouldn't bet a penny on it.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
We'll do them after a replay.
There's something not right about the 6th round draw being known 10 days before we play the 5th.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
Where is the positivity?
It's against tough opposistion, but if we turn up it could be our day. We've got to beat citeh at their ground some time.
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This year's FA cup has been a shambles, the draw is all over the place.
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Its a Villa / Arsenal final, ...City 0 Villa 2
Its is written. Bet your house on it.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
We'll do them after a replay.
There's something not right about the 6th round draw being known 10 days before we play the 5th.
If we go to a replay with City is it possible that with their Europa commitments the Semi draw will have been made by the time we play them in the second game?
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Mancini will field a very strong team against us. The FA cup final is a couple of games away so is the closest they are to getting a trophy (which they are desperate for). They are out of the prem title race and have several rounds to go in UEFA cup.
I still hope we win at Eastlands.
Or he'll be concentrating on getting into the Champions League.
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Mancini will field a very strong team against us. The FA cup final is a couple of games away so is the closest they are to getting a trophy (which they are desperate for). They are out of the prem title race and have several rounds to go in UEFA cup.
I still hope we win at Eastlands.
Or he'll be concentrating on getting into the Champions League.
They can't get everything they want.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
Where is the positivity?
Ok, we'll win.
This recession will also be over before the end of the year.
Cures for AIDS and cancer will be discovered within 12 months.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
We'll do them after a replay.
There's something not right about the 6th round draw being known 10 days before we play the 5th.
A replay is the only remote chance we have.
You're also right about the fixtures themselves. Pathetic.
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Its a Villa / Arsenal final, ...City 0 Villa 2
Its is written. Bet your house on it.
If I do, and we don't, can I come and live with you - or is your house on it as well?
A home quarter final cup draw for the first time since god knows when - and we might not be in it. Typical!
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I think we should just do the draw for the semi and final now, that way we can all hypothesise about every other round that we may not get to. They should've waited until after our 5th round tie before doing this draw.
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I still think it is our year.
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We've got to end our poor record up there at some point. Here's hoping it starts in the 5th round.
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Its going to be very tough and GH will also have one eye on Bolton away 3 days after Ci£eh which is arguably the more important of the two games
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
Agreed. Under Houllier we are a disorganised rabble, and it's inevitable that we'll lose this one.
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Would like to get to Wemberlee and play Newton Heath again to get revenge for last year. Would be nice for Vidic to get sent off in the first 5 mins as he should have been last year.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
Agreed. Under Houllier we are a disorganised rabble, and it's inevitable that we'll lose this one.
A disorganised rabble that have lost one of their last eight games.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
Agreed. Under Houllier we are a disorganised rabble, and it's inevitable that we'll lose this one.
Tripe.
We've improved since the New Year and have only lost 1 in 8 including a win against Man City and a draw at Chelsea. They've favourites but to claim it is inevitable is just lilly livered defeatism of the worst kind.
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It may actually be to our advantage that Bent is ineligible for this. We will need 11 players all working their socks off all over the park to win and Darren, although a top striker, is sometimes a bit of a luxury player and completely nullified when we fail to get him service. I imagine he'll play Heskey and try to link the play a bit more than if DB was available.
If we do get through then I would fancy our chances against Everton or Reading, it isn't a bad draw..........potentially.
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Yes Heskey alone up front, Downing on the Right Wing & Gabby on the Left Wing
Can't wait
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A win v Blackburn and a shock win up at Eastlands and suddenly this travesty of a season might look a bit different.
Seven points off safety (based on the 40 point standard) and one winnable home tie away from an FA Cup semi.
We'll need to improve tenfold on recent performances though to have any chance of that.
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
Agreed. Under Houllier we are a disorganised rabble, and it's inevitable that we'll lose this one.
Tripe.
We've improved since the New Year and have only lost 1 in 8 including a win against Man City and a draw at Chelsea. They've favourites but to claim it is inevitable is just lilly livered defeatism of the worst kind.
I remember clearly when we had the replay against them in the FA cup under O'Leary.
There was a big rallying thread on here with everybody saying that we would beat them.
When I dared to say we were not good enough I was told that 'I would eat my words'
We then get panned by a team that is nowhere near as good as their current side.
Nothing to do with me thinking we're a crap team, we're not.
It's just that they're infinitely better.
Realism.
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They had a better squad than us 3 weeks ago too and we won. Arsenal are better than Orient. Just because they should win doesn't mean that they will.
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They're beatable and it's a good draw for us if we get through.
With Bent being cup-tied, personally i'd play Fonz. We're not going to get many chances up there and he does seem to have the knack of putting his goals away.
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They had a better squad than us 3 weeks ago too and we won. Arsenal are better than Orient. Just because they should win doesn't mean that they will.
We'll see.
We need to dig in and show some fight, which is where it falls down for me.
I hope i'm wrong.
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With Bent being cup-tied
Fucking hell, i'd forgot about that.
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They had a better squad than us 3 weeks ago too and we won. Arsenal are better than Orient. Just because they should win doesn't mean that they will.
Yet the same people who say that are also saying that the Dog shit will be thrashed by Arsenal.
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They're beatable and it's a good draw for us if we get through.
With Bent being cup-tied, personally i'd play Fonz. We're not going to get many chances up there and he does seem to have the knack of putting his goals away.
???? Is this the same Fonz that missed a hatful at Fulham? I've said it before and I'll say it again, that lad will not make it at the top level and if he was going to he would be a lot further in his development by now. I'd play Gabby up front but he will play Heskey.
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They had a better squad than us 3 weeks ago too and we won. Arsenal are better than Orient. Just because they should win doesn't mean that they will.
Yet the same people who say that are also saying that the Dog shit will be thrashed by Arsenal.
On both sides it is wishful thinking. Okay, they are better than us, Arsenal are better than Small Heath or Orient but football is not science and anything can happen.
We can beat City and Blues can win the Carling Cup even though the probability is with the opposing outcome.
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They're beatable and it's a good draw for us if we get through.
With Bent being cup-tied, personally i'd play Fonz. We're not going to get many chances up there and he does seem to have the knack of putting his goals away.
???? Is this the same Fonz that missed a hatful at Fulham? I've said it before and I'll say it again, that lad will not make it at the top level and if he was going to he would be a lot further in his development by now. I'd play Gabby up front but he will play Heskey.
I don't remember Fonz playing at Fulham. The last game Fonz started, he scored, which was the in the F.A Cup.
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We need to defend as we did when they came to our a few weeks back. However, that seems to be the execption rather than the rule.
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They're beatable and it's a good draw for us if we get through.
With Bent being cup-tied, personally i'd play Fonz. We're not going to get many chances up there and he does seem to have the knack of putting his goals away.
???? Is this the same Fonz that missed a hatful at Fulham? I've said it before and I'll say it again, that lad will not make it at the top level and if he was going to he would be a lot further in his development by now. I'd play Gabby up front but he will play Heskey.
I don't remember Fonz playing at Fulham. The last game Fonz started, he scored, which was the in the F.A Cup.
He did, he was on his own up front and missed a fair few chances. I never really rated him anyway and that game was the final straw. Of all the young players on the periphery of the 1st team he is the least likely to make it in my opinion and I certainly would not play him at Man City. He has been overlooked by three managers now (a few cup games and the odd injury forced selection aside) and I can't see him getting a look in with Bent, Heskey and Gabby around.
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They're beatable and it's a good draw for us if we get through.
With Bent being cup-tied, personally i'd play Fonz. We're not going to get many chances up there and he does seem to have the knack of putting his goals away.
???? Is this the same Fonz that missed a hatful at Fulham? I've said it before and I'll say it again, that lad will not make it at the top level and if he was going to he would be a lot further in his development by now. I'd play Gabby up front but he will play Heskey.
I don't remember Fonz playing at Fulham. The last game Fonz started, he scored, which was the in the F.A Cup.
He did, he was on his own up front and missed a fair few chances. I never really rated him anyway and that game was the final straw.
He made his first league start at Fulham and that was the final straw for you! Christ, I hope you're not as impatient in 'real life'. He missed a couple of decent chances in that game but like Bent he has far more of a knack of getting into goalscoring positions than Gabby and Heskey possess.
He was a couple of inches away from achieving ''legendary'' status at the ripe old age of 19 at the Sty the other week when he nearly got the winner with that fantastic shot that took two coats of paint off the crossbar.
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There is no reason why we should not beat City. I think we will and than Everton at home is OK for a QF draw.
I am not in the camp that says Bluse have had it easy. This is their year for getting favouable draws. happens to all teams. Poor old Bburn fans can't be happy about playing us but it happens.
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They're beatable and it's a good draw for us if we get through.
With Bent being cup-tied, personally i'd play Fonz. We're not going to get many chances up there and he does seem to have the knack of putting his goals away.
???? Is this the same Fonz that missed a hatful at Fulham? I've said it before and I'll say it again, that lad will not make it at the top level and if he was going to he would be a lot further in his development by now. I'd play Gabby up front but he will play Heskey.
I don't remember Fonz playing at Fulham. The last game Fonz started, he scored, which was the in the F.A Cup.
He did, he was on his own up front and missed a fair few chances. I never really rated him anyway and that game was the final straw. Of all the young players on the periphery of the 1st team he is the least likely to make it in my opinion and I certainly would not play him at Man City. He has been overlooked by three managers now and I can't see him getting a look in with Bent, Heskey and Gabby around.
So a young striker plays on his own up front away from home back in November, when no other striker was fit, he dose'nt score so he's not good enough and that's the final straw? Talk about giving the young ones a chance eh?
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They're beatable and it's a good draw for us if we get through.
With Bent being cup-tied, personally i'd play Fonz. We're not going to get many chances up there and he does seem to have the knack of putting his goals away.
???? Is this the same Fonz that missed a hatful at Fulham? I've said it before and I'll say it again, that lad will not make it at the top level and if he was going to he would be a lot further in his development by now. I'd play Gabby up front but he will play Heskey.
I don't remember Fonz playing at Fulham. The last game Fonz started, he scored, which was the in the F.A Cup.
He did, he was on his own up front and missed a fair few chances. I never really rated him anyway and that game was the final straw. Of all the young players on the periphery of the 1st team he is the least likely to make it in my opinion and I certainly would not play him at Man City. He has been overlooked by three managers now and I can't see him getting a look in with Bent, Heskey and Gabby around.
So a young striker plays on his own up front away from home back in November, when no other striker was fit, he dose'nt score so he's not good enough and that's the final straw? Talk about giving the young ones a chance eh?
You have massively over simplified what I am saying. It wasn't that he didn't score it was the chances he missed and his all round play I feel was of a player that I think will make it in the Championship but not good enough for us. I have seen him play many times and he is a decent player but not good enough in my opinion and that is all it is, my opinion.
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They're beatable and it's a good draw for us if we get through.
With Bent being cup-tied, personally i'd play Fonz. We're not going to get many chances up there and he does seem to have the knack of putting his goals away.
???? Is this the same Fonz that missed a hatful at Fulham? I've said it before and I'll say it again, that lad will not make it at the top level and if he was going to he would be a lot further in his development by now. I'd play Gabby up front but he will play Heskey.
I don't remember Fonz playing at Fulham. The last game Fonz started, he scored, which was the in the F.A Cup.
He did, he was on his own up front and missed a fair few chances. I never really rated him anyway and that game was the final straw. Of all the young players on the periphery of the 1st team he is the least likely to make it in my opinion and I certainly would not play him at Man City. He has been overlooked by three managers now and I can't see him getting a look in with Bent, Heskey and Gabby around.
So a young striker plays on his own up front away from home back in November, when no other striker was fit, he dose'nt score so he's not good enough and that's the final straw? Talk about giving the young ones a chance eh?
You have massively over simplified what I am saying. It wasn't that he didn't score it was the chances he missed and his all round play I feel was of a player that I think will make it in the Championship but not good enough for us. I have seen him play many times and he is a decent player but not good enough in my opinion and that is all it is, my opinion.
Fine, let's play the prolific Heskey and Gabby.
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I think Heskey has played well this season and seems to bring the best out of Downing and Albrighton, he is not prolific and neither is Gabby but Delfouneso isn't either so I don't see that point. Gabby and Heskey are better players than Delfouneso in my opinion and seemingly in MON's, Houllier's and Kev Macdonald's too. I would go to City with our strongest line up, Fonz is not part of that.
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he reminds me of a dalmaton puppy! he definitely needs to sort his barnet out and stop looking like a girl! shave the mop off delf!
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I think Heskey has played well this season and seems to bring the best out of Downing and Albrighton, he is not prolific and neither is Gabby but Delfouneso isn't either so I don't see that point. Gabby and Heskey are better players than Delfouneso in my opinion and seemingly in MON's, Houllier's and Kev Macdonald's too. I would go to City with our strongest line up, Fonz is not part of that.
Heskey has been great this season and i'd personally play him alongside Bent, but with Bent cup-tied i think maybe someone with a bit of an eye for goal would'nt go amiss. As for Fonz not being prolific, bearing in mind how many starts he's made, he does tend to score when he does.
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Sadly I have to agree, from what I've seen of Fonz over the last couple of seasons I've not seen a Premiership striker there, he seems another reincarnation of Luke Moore with an attitude issue and not as much natural talent as Luke had
Championship player at best
We have to take our best and most experienced players to eastlands and then the reebok 3 days later
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I think Heskey has played well this season and seems to bring the best out of Downing and Albrighton, he is not prolific and neither is Gabby but Delfouneso isn't either so I don't see that point. Gabby and Heskey are better players than Delfouneso in my opinion and seemingly in MON's, Houllier's and Kev Macdonald's too. I would go to City with our strongest line up, Fonz is not part of that.
Heskey has been great this season and i'd personally play him alongside Bent, but with Bent cup-tied i think maybe someone with a bit of an eye for goal would'nt go amiss. As for Fonz not being prolific, bearing in mind how many starts he's made, he does tend to score when he does.
Against weakened Blackburn teams usually. I just can't see can't see him being the lone striker again, he was useless at Fulham in that role, and there's no way he'll play 4-4-2 at City.
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Nathan Delfouneso is only 19.
He's a good player, and lets be honest - hasn't had too many starts yet. Pls don't give up on him at such an early age. We're not Arsenal, we don't give up on players when they're like 12.
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Maybe he could go out on loan and ge some 1st team action like Weimann is doing.
On a side note, how many tickets are we likely to get for the City game? Apparently they are 22 quid in the City end.
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Maybe he could go out on loan and ge some 1st team action like Weimann is doing.
On a side note, how many tickets are we like ly to get for the City game? apparently they are 22 quid in the City end.
Initial allocation is 4,000 and its £22 in the away end too
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Maybe he could go out on loan and ge some 1st team action like Weimann is doing.
On a side note, how many tickets are we like ly to get for the City game? apparently they are 22 quid in the City end.
Initial allocation is 4,000 and its £22 in the away end too
Only 4k? Is that cos we are not expected to sell them cos you'd have thought we'd get at least 6k?
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With Bent being cup-tied
Fucking hell, i'd forgot about that.
Yo'm a frigging miserablist tonight Fletcher!
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If we do get past Man City it will be the first time Villa Park has hosted an FA Cup 6th round tie since 1960.
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If we do get past Man City it will be the first time Villa Park has hosted an FA Cup 6th round tie since 1960.
Bert Bastard Millichip from the fiery depths of Hell: "I love it when a plan comes together."
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That's it then Joe were gonna win
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I doubt we will shift 4,000 tickets for a midweek away on the telly. You won't need to buy in the home end.
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Why is a 5th round tie being played midweek? Ridiculous.
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Why is a 5th round tie being played midweek? Ridiculous.
Its either that date or the date that the 6th round is due to be played ie 12th/13th of March
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Does anybody believe we're going to beat Man City?
Not a fucking chance, i'm sorry.
Agreed. Under Houllier we are a disorganised rabble, and it's inevitable that we'll lose this one.
Tripe.
We've improved since the New Year and have only lost 1 in 8 including a win against Man City and a draw at Chelsea. They've favourites but to claim it is inevitable is just lilly livered defeatism of the worst kind.
I always tend to go on performances rathen than results and I've seen no real improvement.
We're still extremely vunerable defensively and Houllier is unable to make the most of our attacking options.
As for lily livered defeatism, I don't think so. I've been following this club for long enough to trust my instincts for certain matches.
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Best I can see us getting is a replay, I hate Eastlands.
When would the replay be, FA cup 6th round weekend?
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Does anyone know when the FA Cup semi and finals are set for?
I know they've messed the final date about this year... I only ask 'cos I've my exam timetables so need to start planning on the off chance we get there!
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What is the date for the Man City game and is it definately on tv?
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What is the date for the Man City game and is it definately on tv?
Wed 2nd March, yes its on TV
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Just got my ticket. I don't feel at all confident about this one, but stranger things have happened. And if we win, we've got a winnable 6th round tie. Perhaps the Man City game will be the one that transforms our season...
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I always tend to go on performances rathen than results and I've seen no real improvement.
I have.
We are much better defensively in open play although we do still have a weakness from set pieces. We have scored in each of our last 8 games.
It's still not brilliant but it is a clear improvement on what went before.
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I don't feel confident i hope i'm proved wrong but i think we will lose it's just that i'm pessimistic by nature.
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I always tend to go on performances rathen than results and I've seen no real improvement.
I have.
We are much better defensively in open play although we do still have a weakness from set pieces. We have scored in each of our last 8 games.
It's still not brilliant but it is a clear improvement on what went before.
Chris.
A clean sheet from us is as rare as rocking horse shit, whilst I agree there is not too much wrong with the rest of our play, whilst we're leaking goals at the back, we'll always struggle.
A clean sheet would go a long way to holding Man City, but I just can't see it.
Two goal head starts for a lot of rivals seems par for the course.
We are much better defensively in open play
Why is our goals against column so poor then?
One clean sheet in the last TWENTY games.
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They had a better squad than us 3 weeks ago too and we won. Arsenal are better than Orient. Just because they should win doesn't mean that they will.
We'll see.
We need to dig in and show some fight, which is where it falls down for me.
I hope i'm wrong.
Like when it fell down when they came to VP? Its football there are 2 teams, its all on the day.
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They had a better squad than us 3 weeks ago too and we won. Arsenal are better than Orient. Just because they should win doesn't mean that they will.
We'll see.
We need to dig in and show some fight, which is where it falls down for me.
I hope i'm wrong.
Like when it fell down when they came to VP? Its football there are 2 teams, its all on the day.
See above.
That was our 1 clean sheet in 20 games.
But you never know.
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It's away at Man City. We will lose. It's the one result in football that you could safely bet your house on. 1 win in the last 10, and normally they don't even have to break sweat to trounce us. We nearly always put in a woeful performance as well. The 4-0 this year was dire, the 3-1 last year was dire, the 2-0 the year before was absolutely abysmal, and so on.
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Why is our goals against column so poor then?
I think in open play we are better defensively, not perfect but much better than we were. We're still weak on set pieces. My argument was with the bloke who claimed he's seen no improvement. Compared to how we were before Christmas I'd say there were clear signs of an upturn in performances and results.
Don't get me wrong, if I had to put money on it then I'd go for a defeat but I do think we have an outside chance.
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Man City are favourites, but I think they'll have a harder game than when we visited in the league. It's won't be another 4-0 anyway.
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Why is our goals against column so poor then?
I think in open play we are better defensively, not perfect but much better than we were. We're still weak on set pieces. My argument was with the bloke who claimed he's seen no improvement. Compared to how we were before Christmas I'd say there were clear signs of an upturn in performances and results.
Don't get me wrong, if I had to put money on it then I'd go for a defeat but I do think we have an outside chance.
It's hard not to improve when you're starting from such a very low point. We were shipping almost three goals a game on average at one point. While we've certainly improved on that, we still can't keep a clean sheet, and I fully expect to lose up there. Which I'm sad to say, in the context of this season, maybe wouldn't be such a bad thing.
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It's hard not to improve when you're starting from such a very low point.
The Championship is full of teams who didn't improve.
As players have returned from injury and we've added a couple to the squad things have got better and that should be aknowledged. There's still a way to go but a corner has been turned.
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It's hard not to improve when you're starting from such a very low point.
The Championship is full of teams who didn't improve.
As players have returned from injury and we've added a couple to the squad things have got better and that should be aknowledged. There's still a way to go but a corner has been turned.
Maybe so. We're still going to lose up there though.
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I think the corner has been turned as a side on the whole, but not by the defense.
We're passing better and attacking better, which takes pressure off the back 4, but when we do need to defend I'm as nervous as I was pre-January window.
Somethings still not right there!
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Can't see beyond a heavy defeat at Eastlands, our defence is atrocious
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We might as well really go for it on the day. It makes no difference f we lose 3 or 4 nil as long as we give it a real go and you never know, stranger things have happened.
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If our name's on the Cup we will win. Let's go for it.
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Why is a 5th round tie being played midweek? Ridiculous.
So that City could play their fourth round replay this Sunday, we have to fit in our 5th round game midweek. So, who gets 'penalised' for needing a fourth round replay, the team who drew at Notts County, or the team who comfortably won its fourth round tie?
I'm still pissed off we got this draw... I've had enough stick from my City-supporting mate over the last two years and thought I'd at least finished the season on a high note by beating them the other week. Eastlands, midweek, could be grim. We'll fold like a pack of cards, I think.
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We are awful at the moment truly awful. Cannot defend and not putting away the few chances we create. However, they have bigger fish to fry with finishing 4th. If and it's a big if, GH picks the right team and plays them in their best positions, then we can win this.
He won't of course.
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This really is all about "mentality" a win against Blackburn and Houllier reminding the players we have beat them already might just work. If we can hold out until half time there crowd will get edgey and we will have great away support. We need to get service to Bent .........
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We are awful at the moment truly awful.
So bad we've lost once in eight games.
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This really is all about "mentality" a win against Blackburn and Houllier reminding the players we have beat them already might just work. If we can hold out until half time there crowd will get edgey and we will have great away support. We need to get service to Bent .........
Cup tied..
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We are awful at the moment truly awful. Cannot defend and not putting away the few chances we create. However, they have bigger fish to fry with finishing 4th. If and it's a big if, GH picks the right team and plays them in their best positions, then we can win this.
He won't of course.
Gotta love internet drama queens. 1 defeat in 8 games isn't "truly awful", it's not even "pretty awful" in fact it's not any kind of awful. It's decent, average, Ok, not bad.
We're 8th in the current form table, that means that there are 12 sides in the division who are at present worse that "truly awful".
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We are awful at the moment truly awful. Cannot defend and not putting away the few chances we create. However, they have bigger fish to fry with finishing 4th. If and it's a big if, GH picks the right team and plays them in their best positions, then we can win this.
He won't of course.
Gotta love internet drama queens. 1 defeat in 8 games isn't "truly awful", it's not even "pretty awful" in fact it's not any kind of awful. It's decent, average, Ok, not bad.
We're 8th in the current form table, that means that there are 12 sides in the division who are at present worse that "truly awful".
Despite our recent little run, the last two games have been awful, which for me is at the moment. In fact for most of the season bar maybe 4 games we have been mostly awful.
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We are awful at the moment truly awful. Cannot defend and not putting away the few chances we create. However, they have bigger fish to fry with finishing 4th. If and it's a big if, GH picks the right team and plays them in their best positions, then we can win this.
He won't of course.
Gotta love internet drama queens. 1 defeat in 8 games isn't "truly awful", it's not even "pretty awful" in fact it's not any kind of awful. It's decent, average, Ok, not bad.
We're 8th in the current form table, that means that there are 12 sides in the division who are at present worse that "truly awful".
Despite our recent little run, the last two games have been awful, which for me is at the moment. In fact for most of the season bar maybe 4 games we have been mostly awful.
'Awful' is a bit over the top to describe games neither of which we lost, and one of which we had to play away from home for 20-odd minutes with ten men.
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We are awful at the moment truly awful.
So bad we've lost once in eight games.
We've also only won twice in 10 league games. We haven't been as woeful as we were before Christmas, but any improvment hasn't exactly been miraculous. We're still only three points above the drop zone.
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To my mind our performances against Man City and Liverpool away were awful, the last 2 have been average where we've had good and bad periods in both games and should have won them.
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We are awful at the moment truly awful. Cannot defend and not putting away the few chances we create. However, they have bigger fish to fry with finishing 4th. If and it's a big if, GH picks the right team and plays them in their best positions, then we can win this.
He won't of course.
Gotta love internet drama queens. 1 defeat in 8 games isn't "truly awful", it's not even "pretty awful" in fact it's not any kind of awful. It's decent, average, Ok, not bad.
We're 8th in the current form table, that means that there are 12 sides in the division who are at present worse that "truly awful".
Despite our recent little run, the last two games have been awful, which for me is at the moment. In fact for most of the season bar maybe 4 games we have been mostly awful.
'Awful' is a bit over the top to describe games neither of which we lost, and one of which we had to play away from home for 20-odd minutes with ten men.
Away to Blackpool who hadn't won a game for ages. Given the players we have - we should have walked that game.
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We are awful at the moment truly awful. Cannot defend and not putting away the few chances we create. However, they have bigger fish to fry with finishing 4th. If and it's a big if, GH picks the right team and plays them in their best positions, then we can win this.
He won't of course.
Gotta love internet drama queens. 1 defeat in 8 games isn't "truly awful", it's not even "pretty awful" in fact it's not any kind of awful. It's decent, average, Ok, not bad.
We're 8th in the current form table, that means that there are 12 sides in the division who are at present worse that "truly awful".
Despite our recent little run, the last two games have been awful, which for me is at the moment. In fact for most of the season bar maybe 4 games we have been mostly awful.
'Awful' is a bit over the top to describe games neither of which we lost, and one of which we had to play away from home for 20-odd minutes with ten men.
Away to Blackpool who hadn't won a game for ages. Given the players we have - we should have walked that game.
No denying that Blackpool had lost their previous 5 games whilst letting in 16 goals.
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If we turn up at Eastlands and give it a go, we can win. Form doesn't matter.
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Away to Blackpool who hadn't won a game for ages. Given the players we have - we should have walked that game.
A lot of teams should have 'walked' games this season. Including Manchester City at Villa Park.
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If we turn up at Eastlands and give it a go, we can win. Form doesn't matter.
As per my previous post if by "give it a go" means GH picks the right team etc - I reckon we can win. UTV
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It's a one off cup tie where anything can happen. As long as the formation is right then we have as much chance as they do. I just hope we give it a good go.
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As long as the formation is right then we have as much chance as they do.
Really? I think not. I'd suggest that a career as a bookmaker probably isn't the best option for you.
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LAWRO'S VERDICT
Man City v Villa 6th round, Wed 2 March.
Man City have spent a lot of money since their Nigerian takeover, Tevez is a good player and Sven has got them playing good football, they're always capable of a goal. Man City score quite a few and they win lot's of games as well.
Villa have impressed me lately, signing David Bent was a shock but Martin O'Neill knows what he's doing.
I'm divorced and my Wife won't speak to me, she's threatened to get a court injunction If I keep calling her at 3a.m. I'm so lonely and i'm full of self loathing. My Phil Collins Face Value CD is working overtime.
Is it wrong for a grown man to keep bursting into tears?
VERDICT 3-1
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We need to get service to Bent .........
The only service he'll be getting on the night is room service
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I am plumping for a Villa win after a replay we were lucky to get.
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As long as the formation is right then we have as much chance as they do.
Really? I think not. I'd suggest that a career as a bookmaker probably isn't the best option for you.
The odds on that ever happening are very slim. I dont understand all those numbers and fractions.
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Come on Villa we can do it, let's beat them buggers!
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Does anyone know when the FA Cup semi and finals are set for?
The semi final is a week after the final.
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Does anyone know when the FA Cup semi and finals are set for?
The semi final is a week after the final.
"One fine day in the middle of the night, two dead men got up to fight..."
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Stoke v Blues
Man City v Man Utd
They'll be the semis i reckon. Blues v Man Utd final, and Blues to get twatted for the second time in the final at Wembley.
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I think Rory Delap might quite fancy the amount of room he would have for long throws at Wembley. Mind you, I don't want Stoke in Europe either. Their anti-football doesn't deserve to be rewarded. Is Carew cup-tied?
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Bolton will have too much for SHA
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I think Rory Delap might quite fancy the amount of room he would have for long throws at Wembley. Mind you, I don't want Stoke in Europe either. Their anti-football doesn't deserve to be rewarded. Is Carew cup-tied?
No. He scored for them on Saturday.
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every now and then The Villa turn up and do something special, do we have the players to beat Citeh ? yes with a bit of luck
are we likely to do it ? no
we live in hope over expectancy
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We can hope Ci£eh have an off nite, go in overly confident and that our lads play without pressure and are up for it
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We are playing a club who over the decades have turned being unpredictable into an art form. We can get through this one, and if we do the chances are that we will have a much easier semi.
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every now and then The Villa turn up and do something special, do we have the players to beat Citeh ? yes with a bit of luck
are we likely to do it ? no
we live in hope over expectancy
Knowing us, we will be two down in 20 minutes, game over.
I'd just like us to make it very hard for them - be hard to beat, like we used to be.
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Villa beat Blackburn and the pressure is off. Man c have a fixture pile up and we can play with no fear where a draw will be a good result. They have a big squad but you never know.
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We can do this
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we probably know how GH will set us up for this game, citeh are weak on the left hand side so if Downing or Albrighton have a good game then we have a chance, but if Downing plays and does his usual we will get beat
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Stoke v Blues
Man City v Man Utd
They'll be the semis i reckon. Blues v Man Utd final, and Blues to get twatted for the second time in the final at Wembley.
Which would see Birmingham qualify for Europe as FA cup runners up as well as give them 3 trips to Wembley. Let's hope Bolton beat them or that Man City and Man U miss each other until the final, that way the Euro spot would go to the team in 7th instead of the cup runners up.
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Have Man U already knocked Arsenal out then?
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Bolton are not Coventry or Sheff Weds, they are a decent team with a manager who knows his arse from his elbow
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Have Man U already knocked Arsenal out then?
No, they haven't but it would be the same if Arsenal get through. If they or Man U were to meet Man City in the final it'd be the only way of the league getting the extra place in Europe.
Hopefully we can win the thing and qualify ourselves.
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When is the draw for the final?
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That would be nice. We're due to win it one decade...
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Let's hope Bolton beat them or that Man City and Man U miss each other until the final
I think I'll just stick my hoping into Villa beating Man City rather than hypothetical scenarios that don't actually affect us at all.
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Of course but there's no harm in hoping that should we go out, the scum don't get a free ticket to Europe.
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Maybe a bit controversial here but I'd rather win the fa cup and get relegated than finish 8th and win nothing- I've dreamt all my life of seeing villa win the fa cup and if we did go down we would bounce back as champions next season in any case.
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Maybe a bit controversial here but I'd rather win the fa cup and get relegated than finish 8th and win nothing- I've dreamt all my life of seeing villa win the fa cup and if we did go down we would bounce back as champions next season in any case.
I would as well. Winning the FA Cup would be remembered forever. Finishing mid table again, who cares?
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Maybe a bit controversial here but I'd rather win the fa cup and get relegated than finish 8th and win nothing- I've dreamt all my life of seeing villa win the fa cup and if we did go down we would bounce back as champions next season in any case.
I would as well. Winning the FA Cup would be remembered forever. Finishing mid table again, who cares?
I'm sorry but that to me is absolute nonsense. I appreciate that you are entitled to your opinions but have you really thought this through? I have only supported the Villa properly since 1988 so I can't remember being relegated but those who can talk of dark days and poor attendances something I too would "remember forever". I would love the FA cup but at the expense of our top flight status? No chance!
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I have only supported the Villa properly since 1988 so I can't remember being relegated but those who can talk of dark days and poor attendances
No they don't.
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I have only supported the Villa properly since 1988 so I can't remember being relegated but those who can talk of dark days and poor attendances
No they don't.
Well maybe you don't Dave but I know plenty of people who look back at 1987 and say it was a terrible time to be a Villa fan. The 3rd division days are a seemingly different story but nobody I know enjoyed going down in 87.
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I have only supported the Villa properly since 1988 so I can't remember being relegated but those who can talk of dark days and poor attendances
No they don't.
Well maybe you don't Dave but I know plenty of people who look back at 1987 and say it was a terrible time to be a Villa fan. The 3rd division days are a seemingly different story but nobody I know enjoyed going down in 87.
Whereas everyone I know who was there loved it.
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I have only supported the Villa properly since 1988 so I can't remember being relegated but those who can talk of dark days and poor attendances
No they don't.
Well maybe you don't Dave but I know plenty of people who look back at 1987 and say it was a terrible time to be a Villa fan. The 3rd division days are a seemingly different story but nobody I know enjoyed going down in 87.
Whereas everyone I know who was there loved it.
Everyone you know loved being relegated to the 2nd division? Ok, well that's not what I have heard. Oh well, let's get relegated then and see if we'll all enjoy it as much as you say.
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I loved season 87/88, one of my best following the Villa for all sorts of reasons
If we get relegated, will enjoy it again...
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Getting relegated was a nightmare but the actual season we spent in the second division under Taylor was fucking fantastic. And I think most people I know were the same.
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I would certainly not choose relegation for the sake of an FA Cup, but my most active period of attending games was in the season when we got promoted from the Third Division, and I only missed 2 matches home or away.
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Maybe a bit controversial here but I'd rather win the fa cup and get relegated than finish 8th and win nothing- I've dreamt all my life of seeing villa win the fa cup and if we did go down we would bounce back as champions next season in any case.
Agree with that. I'd even say a bit higher than that as we get a European spot for winning it which is the same as you get for fifth.
I don't give a monkeys about Europe or the Champions League unless we are going to win them. Football is about winning trophies not qualifying for being knocked out by FC Metalist Kwagiokor of Belarus. I'd even to an extent say the same thing for the Carling Cup though the FA Cup is something else. It is special and it is the trophy I'd like us to win more than any other. It has been too long.
However, it is academic. I don't think we will go down.
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We are not talking bout relegation being enjoyed but the promotion season was hugely enjoyable- give me the fa cup anyday rather than staying up- if we went down we would bounce back in style but winning the fa cup would be the holy Grail for me and complete the set .
Who could forget at Swindon waiting for the boro result to confirm Gary mcallisters goal for Leicester had sent us up and boro had missed out at the death, even though we had failed to beat Swindon- moments like that are worth more than money can buy.
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Same here, everyone of my age goes misty eyed talking about that season in the second division, it was ace.
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Agreed. Being relegated wasn't fun and I'd hate us to go down again - financially it would hurt us far more significantly than in 87-88 - but it was fun watching us win so many games. Didn't we set a new record for away wins that season, something like 13?
I was 12, 13 years old that season. I remember going to the home game against Man City, and Kevin Gage scored an absolute screamer of a volley. Amazing, amazing, goal.
And as for that final day of the season... unbeatable drama.
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To be honest, for me we could end up in the Conference as long as we won the FA Cup.
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To be honest, for me we could end up in the Conference as long as we won the FA Cup.
Obviously that would never happen dave , but i agree with the sentiments , the fa cup however devalued people consider it , is the ultimate for me , ive seen us win league cups , championship, european cup, super cup etc but to win the fa cup would just be the greatest of great days in my life, and i could gladly sacrifice a place in the premiership for a season if it meant getting the fa cup in the trophy cabinet.
Maybe its different for us 40 somethings that have memories of how important the fa cup was and younger fans nowadays perhaps see it as a much lower priority but it would be just incredible to win it .
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What do you think Randy would say if asked the same question? I'm not sure the big day out and a few fans completing their trophy top trumps collection would be a particularly persuasive argument.
I'm always a bit confused about this supposed great love for the FA Cup as the numbers turning up at games doesn't reflect what is said on sites like this.
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It's not confusing to me; whatever the merits of certain cup competitions, nothing beats seeing your team lift a trophy, IMO. I can understand people getting excited at the thought of winning the FA Cup.
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chris , obviously randy would see it differently as he is the owner and relegation would be costly , but as merv and dave say from a supporters view the fa cup still remains huge in my eyes at least and although im sure randy has a great knowledge and interest in the game he probably would not see the fa cup in the eyes that many of us do, it to me would be like cleveland browns winning the super bowl to randy.
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It's not confusing to me; whatever the merits of certain cup competitions, nothing beats seeing your team lift a trophy, IMO. I can understand people getting excited at the thought of winning the FA Cup.
I'm excited at the thought of us winning the cup but crowds suggest that not everyone is.
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It's not confusing to me; whatever the merits of certain cup competitions, nothing beats seeing your team lift a trophy, IMO. I can understand people getting excited at the thought of winning the FA Cup.
I'm excited at the thought of us winning the cup but crowds suggest that not everyone is.
I bet once we get to the final that will change.
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I suppose the younger generation brought up on premiership football see it in a different light , I'm sure if we beat man city that villa park would be packed for a quarter final and tickets would be like gold dust if we reach the final- out of curiosity when did we last have an fa cup quarter final at villa park?
I've seen us in a few of them but they all seEm to have been away draws.- west ham, arsenal, oldham, forest and everton away all spring to mind, as do reading.
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That 87/88 season in the old Div 2 is still my favourite season as a Villa fan, went to every game, think we won 17 on the road and drew loads at home, some great memories and a passionate Villa team bouncing back. Brilliant times, I was 20 then so that may have had something to do with it
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I was 22 at the time wiki but it was great to play teams who looked at us in the way some look at man utd, we were the big fish and it was a great season although we dropped so many points at villa park, I didn't think we won 17 away , I thought it was more like 13 or 14 but I may be wrong- as seasons go there are few if any since that I have enjoyed more than that one .
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I don't like the idea of relegation at all, even if we did win the F.A Cup. We'd lose our best players, we'd be playing every other Friday night or at stupid times on a Saturday evening to suit televison, which people moan enough about now as it is, and it's not guaranteed that we'd bounce back up at the first time of asking anyway.
I'd rather us win the F.A Cup when we're a good team, not a relegated one.
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I was 22 at the time wiki but it was great to play teams who looked at us in the way some look at man utd, we were the big fish and it was a great season although we dropped so many points at villa park, I didn't think we won 17 away , I thought it was more like 13 or 14 but I may be wrong- as seasons go there are few if any since that I have enjoyed more than that one .
spot on eastie, us and Leeds were the big boys, it was great to go to the different grounds - many up North I recall - Huddersfield, Bradford, Barnsley. All the teams coming to B6 raised their game as it was their Cup Final. Not sure it'd be the same if we went down again though as grounds seem so sterile nowadays
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We all would clampy , but I'd rather win the fa cup and go down than not win it , as for not bouncing back,I think we would walk it personally.
Of course nobody wants to go down but to some of us the fa cup is something very very special indeed and would be a worthwhile sacrifice - let's hope we can both finish top 10 and win the cup this season.
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I think if we can somehow get past Ci£eh and Arsenal dump ManUre out then the Cup is ours again
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To be honest, for me we could end up in the Conference as long as we won the FA Cup.
Ok, fair enough and what are these forums for if not to disagree? Let's hope we win the cup AND stay up. I wasn't there in 87 and so I accept that as you were you have the right to disagree but as good as it may have been I really do not want to experience it myself. UTV.
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Portsmouth won the Cup, fat lot of good it did them. If we go down there is no guarantee we would go back up. No thanks. I still hope we win the Cup and stay up though.
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Getting relegated was a nightmare but the actual season we spent in the second division under Taylor was fucking fantastic. And I think most people I know were the same.
It wasn't the getting relegated that was the fun bit but the season after when we were the Billy Big bollocks and took thousands everywhere and usually won. After the shite we saw the season (or two) before that it was just great to see again.
What it also gave us was the chance to feel big again, however pyrhhic. Going to places like Barnsley, Hull, Plymouth, Huddersfield, Oldham, bournemouth etc and knowing it was a big thing for them to be playing us was great. most clubs highest attendance was against us. as much as coming to see their team trying to beat us as it was us taking loads.
Great fun, great days, but I don't want to experience the drop to get that feeling back.
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To be honest, for me we could end up in the Conference as long as we won the FA Cup.
Whenever I say stuff like that to non-Villa fans, they look at me like I've got three heads. But it's the only trophy I give a flying one about winning.
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To be honest, for me we could end up in the Conference as long as we won the FA Cup.
Whenever I say stuff like that to non-Villa fans, they look at me like I've got three heads. But it's the only trophy I give a flying one about winning.
Imagine 42,000 for a Conference game!
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I was 22 at the time wiki but it was great to play teams who looked at us in the way some look at man utd, we were the big fish and it was a great season although we dropped so many points at villa park, I didn't think we won 17 away , I thought it was more like 13 or 14 but I may be wrong- as seasons go there are few if any since that I have enjoyed more than that one .
Going to Stoke that season was an adventure. We only took about 3/4000 but it was a great day, despite the 1.1 (i think) score - I think most of were tired from singing and drinking to remember.
We took a whole lot more at the end of the 81 season, now that was mad.
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My abiding memory of that promotion season was repeatedly getting a goal after about three minutes and then not knowing what to do next.
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To be honest, for me we could end up in the Conference as long as we won the FA Cup.
Whenever I say stuff like that to non-Villa fans, they look at me like I've got three heads. But it's the only trophy I give a flying one about winning.
Imagine 42,000 for a Conference game!
Imagine 42,000 for a Premier League game!
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to win the FA Cup would mean that we have done something extrordinary like beating Citeh up there, how good would that feel? i would take relegation and the FA Cup
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to win the FA Cup would mean that we have done something extrordinary like beating Citeh up there, how good would that feel?
Pretty good but hardly extraordinary. They're not Holland '74
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to win the FA Cup would mean that we have done something extrordinary like beating Citeh up there, how good would that feel?
Pretty good but hardly extraordinary. They're not Holland '74
remind me of the last time we won at eastlands or Maine Road ?
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to win the FA Cup would mean that we have done something extrordinary like beating Citeh up there, how good would that feel?
Pretty good but hardly extraordinary. They're not Holland '74
remind me of the last time we won at eastlands or Maine Road ?
Probably that time when Maloney scored a free kick. Four years ago maybe?
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April 2007 - W 2-0 Carew and Maloney scored.
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April 2007 - W 2-0 Carew and Maloney scored.
The season City broke the record for least goals scored by a home team in the Prem. 10. Still, I was there and enjoyed every moment.
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That amazing, never-to-be-forgotten moment when Aston Villa beat Manchester City. Crikey.
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to win the FA Cup would mean that we have done something extrordinary like beating Citeh up there, how good would that feel? i would take relegation and the FA Cup
I won't. The FA Cup is there to win every year and luck (something which usually eludes us) plays a very big in the draw. We will win it someday eventually.
The Championship is not a easy place to get out of. If we can't get ourself promoted in the 1st season...I can't imagine the aftermath.
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Let's just say for arguments sake that we did win the F.A Cup and got relegated. Would Houiller get the sack or would he keep his job for winning us the Cup?
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Houllier should be given at least another season to get the team as he wants it - anyone who thinks we are not good enough to get out of the championship I find amazing, I still think we can finish top 10 this season but I'd willingly sacrifice the premiership to win the fa cup.
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Houllier should be given at least another season to get the team as he wants it - anyone who thinks we are not good enough to get out of the championship I find amazing, I still think we can finish top 10 this season but I'd willingly sacrifice the premiership to win the fa cup.
Teams get relegated because they're crap they then tend to lose their best players. If we're so shit that we get relegated and Wigan or Wolves survive then you are barmy to think that promotion would be a formality.
I think it's all academic as I don't for a second think we'll get relegated but to just dismiss it as a minor inconvenience and a price worth paying is extremely naive.
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If we were relegated it would be as much down to mr o neill as anything else and a complete set of extreme bad fortune , ie , manager walking out in the week of a new season, failure to get a replacement before the window ended, and a huge injury crisis rather than being shit as you put it, chris, although I'm sure you rather that than accept o neill would carry a lot of the blame.
I also do not think we will go down but I'm confident if we did that we would bounce straight back .
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Relegation is simply not an option
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More likely to finish in the top 10 than be relegated and let's hope we can finish top 10 and win the cup as well- city are getting games thick and fast and even without bent we must go there and fancy our chances.
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We need a win tomorrow to build confidence and some momentum
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If we were relegated it would be as much down to mr o neill as anything else and a complete set of extreme bad fortune , ie , manager walking out in the week of a new season, failure to get a replacement before the window ended, and a huge injury crisis rather than being shit as you put it, chris, although I'm sure you rather that than accept o neill would carry a lot of the blame.
I also do not think we will go down but I'm confident if we did that we would bounce straight back .
That's up there with the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on here, strikes me as an attempt to get your excuses in early.
We won't go down but if we did it would be because we weren't good enough over 38 games not because of something that happened before the season started. That would be down to the current manager, coaches and players.
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If we were relegated it would be as much down to mr o neill as anything else and a complete set of extreme bad fortune , ie , manager walking out in the week of a new season, failure to get a replacement before the window ended, and a huge injury crisis rather than being shit as you put it, chris, although I'm sure you rather that than accept o neill would carry a lot of the blame.
I also do not think we will go down but I'm confident if we did that we would bounce straight back .
That's up there with the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on here, strikes me as an attempt to get your excuses in early.
We won't go down but if we did it would be because we weren't good enough over 38 games not because of something that happened before the season started. That would be down to the current manager, coaches and players.
i dont think we will go down but if you think its all down to to the current staff if we did then thats rubbish , o neill has a huge amount of blame for the position we have found ourselves in , and houllier is trying to sort out the mess he left behind!
yes , houllier would also take some blame but to lie no blame at all on o' neill is ridiculous after he walked out 5 days before the season started!
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Indeed Chris. I also don't think we'll get relegated, and nor should we. I can accept that O'Neill leaving as he did caused problems, but there's no way that we should be relegated, especially after the January transfer window we had.
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Dont worry risso, we will NOT be relegated !
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Dont worry risso, we will NOT be relegated !
I'm not worried, as I said. I just don't get this "I'd accept relegation if won the FA Cup" bollocks.
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there is nothing better than winning trophies , winning the fa cup would be possibly the greatest day ever for me supporting villa and would be forever remembered , we are not going to win the premiership in the immediate future and id rather win a major trophy than finish mid table personally .
nobody wants to get relegated but if we did i am very confident we would get straight back , but each to their own opinions.
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there is nothing better than winning trophies , winning the fa cup would be possibly the greatest day ever for me supporting villa and would be forever remembered , we are not going to win the premiership in the immediate future and id rather win a major trophy than finish mid table personally .
nobody wants to get relegated but if we did i am very confident we would get straight back , but each to their own opinions.
So you're basically saying "bollocks to the long term health of the club as long as Eastie gets his day out at Wembley".
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there is nothing better than winning trophies , winning the fa cup would be possibly the greatest day ever for me supporting villa and would be forever remembered , we are not going to win the premiership in the immediate future and id rather win a major trophy than finish mid table personally .
nobody wants to get relegated but if we did i am very confident we would get straight back , but each to their own opinions.
So you're basically saying "bollocks to the long term health of the club as long as Eastie gets his day out at Wembley".
winning the fa cup puts us in europe , do you really think we would not get promoted ? i want to see aston villa win the fa cup more than i want anything else to happen in football, winning a major trophy and qualifying for europe , and playing a season winning the championship would not damage the long term health of the club, but we will have to agree to differ in our views chris.
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We'd have to sell players, any we bought would be championship quality, crowds would drop, TV revenue would drop and sponsorship deals would be hit - of couse it would damage the club.
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and playing a season winning the championship would not damage the long term health of the club, but we will have to agree to differ in our views chris.
I don't think you've thouht that through have you?
Firstly, who says it wouldn't damage our long term health? If we go down, most of our saleable young players would want to be moving elsewhere. We'd have a big drop in income, and if we didn't bounce straight back, which is by no means a foregone conclusion, we'd find it even harder in years to come. It would be a disaster. I'm also not sure how being relegated would help us to win the FA Cup in any case.
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We'd have to sell players, any we bought would be championship quality, crowds would drop, TV revenue would drop and sponsorship deals would be hit - of couse it would damage the club.
Our home crowds would drop but our away numbers would increase massively imo. We take piss poor numbers away these days for a club our size (1800 to Everton for a saturday 3pm? Rubbish), the fact is we've all done the same cities and grounds to death and theres zero chance of us doing anything noteworthy in this league, in the Championship there would be new cities and grounds (look at the tickets for Blackpool, like hotcakes because it was new) and we'd be challenging for the league.
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If we were relegated it would be as much down to mr o neill as anything else and a complete set of extreme bad fortune , ie , manager walking out in the week of a new season, failure to get a replacement before the window ended, and a huge injury crisis rather than being shit as you put it, chris, although I'm sure you rather that than accept o neill would carry a lot of the blame.
I also do not think we will go down but I'm confident if we did that we would bounce straight back .
That's up there with the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on here, strikes me as an attempt to get your excuses in early.
Seconded. Absolute tripe.
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We'd have to sell players, any we bought would be championship quality, crowds would drop, TV revenue would drop and sponsorship deals would be hit - of couse it would damage the club.
Our home crowds would drop but our away numbers would increase massively imo. We take piss poor numbers away these days for a club our size (1800 to Everton for a saturday 3pm? Rubbish), the fact is we've all done the same cities and grounds to death and theres zero chance of us doing anything noteworthy in this league, in the Championship there would be new cities and grounds (look at the tickets for Blackpool, like hotcakes because it was new) and we'd be challenging for the league.
So what, we don't make anything from away games.
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If we were relegated it would be as much down to mr o neill as anything else and a complete set of extreme bad fortune , ie , manager walking out in the week of a new season, failure to get a replacement before the window ended, and a huge injury crisis rather than being shit as you put it, chris, although I'm sure you rather that than accept o neill would carry a lot of the blame.
I also do not think we will go down but I'm confident if we did that we would bounce straight back .
That's up there with the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on here, strikes me as an attempt to get your excuses in early.
Seconded. Absolute tripe.
i see mons fan club are out in force today then, if it did happen relegation would be the fault of many causes and anyone who think o neill totally blameless for it is talking tripe.
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If we were relegated it would be as much down to mr o neill as anything else and a complete set of extreme bad fortune , ie , manager walking out in the week of a new season, failure to get a replacement before the window ended, and a huge injury crisis rather than being shit as you put it, chris, although I'm sure you rather that than accept o neill would carry a lot of the blame.
I also do not think we will go down but I'm confident if we did that we would bounce straight back .
That's up there with the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on here, strikes me as an attempt to get your excuses in early.
Seconded. Absolute tripe.
i see mons fan club are out in force today then.
Childish as ever.
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so chris please tell me how our position is all down to the current manager and mon is totally blameless in all this ? houllier is working his bollocks off to get us out of mess o neill left behind!
sure houllier has made mistakes but to blame his regime for everything is wrong .
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We'd have to sell players, any we bought would be championship quality, crowds would drop, TV revenue would drop and sponsorship deals would be hit - of couse it would damage the club.
Our home crowds would drop but our away numbers would increase massively imo. We take piss poor numbers away these days for a club our size (1800 to Everton for a saturday 3pm? Rubbish), the fact is we've all done the same cities and grounds to death and theres zero chance of us doing anything noteworthy in this league, in the Championship there would be new cities and grounds (look at the tickets for Blackpool, like hotcakes because it was new) and we'd be challenging for the league.
So what, we don't make anything from away games.
I meant for the enjoyment factor, i think it would be a laugh following Villa away in the Championship and we'd take thousands with cheaper tickets and hardly any tv games, and we'd actually win away from home.
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This thread's spinning massively out of control!
1. I'd love us to win the FA Cup in this or any other season but wouldn't take relegation as part of the deal; we might bounce straight back up like Newcastle but might not. I'm not sure 'getting to see different grounds' would compensate for seeing us forced to sell half of our squad.
2. MON left us high and dry and I believe his decision to quit when he did (off the back of a summer of zero progress) jeopardised our chances of breaking into that top four, or indeed retaining a top six place. But relegation wouldn't be down to him. Houllier's had a fully fit squad since Christmas, plus four new signings, and if we go down, he and the squad should bear the brunt of the blame.
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This thread's spinning massively out of control!
1. I'd love us to win the FA Cup in this or any other season but wouldn't take relegation as part of the deal; we might bounce straight back up like Newcastle but might not. I'm not sure 'getting to see different grounds' would compensate for seeing us forced to sell half of our squad.
2. MON left us high and dry and I believe his decision to quit when he did (off the back of a summer of zero progress) jeopardised our chances of breaking into that top four, or indeed retaining a top six place. But relegation wouldn't be down to him. Houllier's had a fully fit squad since Christmas, plus four new signings, and if we go down, he and the squad should bear the brunt of the blame.
brunt of it maybe merv , but all of it no! i expect a win tomorrow and top 10 finish and if we can get past city who knows what we could achieve ,there will always be a vast difference of opinion between some people regarding martin o neill and that will not change , so im happy to let sleeping dogs lie.
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If we were relegated it would be as much down to mr o neill as anything else and a complete set of extreme bad fortune , ie , manager walking out in the week of a new season, failure to get a replacement before the window ended, and a huge injury crisis rather than being shit as you put it, chris, although I'm sure you rather that than accept o neill would carry a lot of the blame.
I also do not think we will go down but I'm confident if we did that we would bounce straight back .
That's up there with the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on here, strikes me as an attempt to get your excuses in early.
Seconded. Absolute tripe.
i see mons fan club are out in force today then
Yes, i was a MON fan. You're not going to send me another one of your PM's having a pop at me again are you?
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there will always be a vast difference of opinion clampy between some people regarding martin o neill and that will not change , so im happy to let sleeping dogs lie,we are not going to change each others opinion on him, and tomorrow is a huge game and a win would be great for all of us , followed by man city on weds .
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These heralded cup runs under O'Neill, we've slagged Blues off this season for getting easy cup draws but look at ours last season, the first good team we came up against in both cups we lost. Blues will lose to Arsenal in the final and i think they'll lose to Man Utd in the FA Cup final and we'll laugh at them for losing to the first good teams they played and say they only beat poor teams, we won't say 'oh but they had two great cup runs'. We beat crap teams on our way to Wembley both times and i think O'Neill's fans overrate the 'achievement'. Blues could do it this season and they're shit, and Stoke/West Ham will reach Wembley and they're shit.
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Whilst MON leaving when he did did'nt help, blaming him for us going down is downright ridiculous. I personally feel that the stupid injury list we had to fight our way though played the major part.
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brunt of it maybe merv , but all of it no! i expect a win tomorrow and top 10 finish and if we can get past city who knows what we could achieve ,there will always be a vast difference of opinion between some people regarding martin o neill and that will not change , so im happy to let sleeping dogs lie.
You don't have to let sleeping dogs lie with me, eastie - I don't think I'm either in or out of the O'Neill camp. I think his record whilst with us was very good; he spent a lot of money, some of it wastefully; he built a good squad - but then alienated some of that squad; the way he left us was very disappointing. I just think, in the disastrous event of relegation, he'd be some way down the pecking order of blame.
But you're right - enough on O'Neill. He manages to creep in to just about every thread on here!
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If we go down, lots of things will have contributed. The obvious ones I can think of are:
MON walking out when he did, and the ensuing carnage of losing the whole football staff.
The slowness to appoint a manager
The injury crisis
Bad luck - yes, bad luck
Houllier's ineptitude
Lack of effort from some of the players (especially earlier this season when it looked like a number of them didn't care)
If we go down, then there's no way Houllier can be absolved of blame - far from it - in the same way MON can't. To think that there will be one thing we can point at and say "that was the cause" if we go down strikes me as far too simplistic.
I don't think any of us would suggest that any of those points above haven't played a part in our season so far. What differs is what level of impact we assign to each of them.
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lets leave it at that clampy , i said he carries a lot of blame not all of it , as does the injury crisis and some of houlliers decisions , mon is not totally blameless for our situation , i really do not wish to drawn into talking about him any longer. lets just get the win against blackburn and move onwards and beat city.
paulie your post is extremely good!
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i really do not wish to drawn into talking about him any longer.
Bearing in mind it was you that bought him up in the first place earlier on, i think that is a very very good idea.
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We'd have to sell players, any we bought would be championship quality, crowds would drop, TV revenue would drop and sponsorship deals would be hit - of couse it would damage the club.
Our home crowds would drop but our away numbers would increase massively imo. We take piss poor numbers away these days for a club our size (1800 to Everton for a saturday 3pm? Rubbish), the fact is we've all done the same cities and grounds to death and theres zero chance of us doing anything noteworthy in this league, in the Championship there would be new cities and grounds (look at the tickets for Blackpool, like hotcakes because it was new) and we'd be challenging for the league.
If only we could all support the Villa as well as you support the Villa.
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We'd have to sell players, any we bought would be championship quality, crowds would drop, TV revenue would drop and sponsorship deals would be hit - of couse it would damage the club.
Our home crowds would drop but our away numbers would increase massively imo. We take piss poor numbers away these days for a club our size (1800 to Everton for a saturday 3pm? Rubbish), the fact is we've all done the same cities and grounds to death and theres zero chance of us doing anything noteworthy in this league, in the Championship there would be new cities and grounds (look at the tickets for Blackpool, like hotcakes because it was new) and we'd be challenging for the league.
Wheh was this? Or do you mean the upcoming fixture?
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If we go down, lots of things will have contributed. The obvious ones I can think of are:
MON walking out when he did, and the ensuing carnage of losing the whole football staff.
The slowness to appoint a manager
The injury crisis
Bad luck - yes, bad luck
Houllier's ineptitude
Lack of effort from some of the players (especially earlier this season when it looked like a number of them didn't care)
If we go down, then there's no way Houllier can be absolved of blame - far from it - in the same way MON can't. To think that there will be one thing we can point at and say "that was the cause" if we go down strikes me as far too simplistic.
I don't think any of us would suggest that any of those points above haven't played a part in our season so far. What differs is what level of impact we assign to each of them.
Spot on.
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I'd take a big kick in the bollocks for a nice hug and some jam
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On the basis that there is a squad of players available to GH which is more than capable of getting to a comfortable league position then i would lay the blame at his door if we did somehow manage to get relegated, i dont think we will but its still a possibility and it shouldnt be.