Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chico Hamilton III on February 15, 2011, 02:20:26 PM
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Is being stupid and having no class an arrestable offence?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12462959
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It would be interesting to find out if the so called manure fan has ever mocked liverpool fans about Hillsborough?
Munich was horrendous, and before my time, but some people today are really far too sensitive and take offence far too easily...they should learn to ignore things and be a bit more thick-skinned!!
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Munich was a terrible tradegy but fuck me I have rung the Old Bill on mumerous occassions about various ani social behaviour/criminal activities and can they get there arses there?
Oh hello sir, you've been burgled did you say?
We may come out in 3 days but really we have no chance of catching whoever did it so we probably won't bother.
I think perspective is the word i'm looking for
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Pathetic...
* The twat doing it in the first place.
* The twat complaining to the police.
* The police for arresting the first twat.
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You surely can't arrest someone for taking the piss, however crass and distastefull?
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You surely can't arrest someone for taking the piss, however crass and distastefull?
My mate got knicked once for asking a copper if his head went to the top of his hat, so there is precedent.
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Idiots for making the song they should just concentrate on having a good day out in the cup.
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Idiots for making the song they should just concentrate on having a good day out in the cup.
Well said Darren
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I'm growing less fond of Crawley, the more I hear about them. Their behaviour in the last round and now this.
A pity, as in these cup ties everyone's willing the small club on! I'm beginning to hope they get stuffed 20 - 0.
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Also I've been to some sh!tty 60s/70s build, nothing to do with your time, poundland-tastic places in my time but Crawley takes the buscuit.
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Everyone associated with this fixture and its lead up is a bell-end. That just about covers it for me.
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I'd go along with that.
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Agreed Mr Orange
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Also I've been to some sh!tty 60s/70s build, nothing to do with your time, poundland-tastic places in my time but Crawley takes the buscuit.
Indeed, it makes Wolverhampton seem like Rome. Quite the most utterly soulless place you could ever wish to find yourself..
Our next door neighbours moved down from Crawley. He spends all his weekend, every weekend, cleaning his cars. I suppose if you have lived in Crawley, there is nothing else to do.....
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The facts of the case...
" a supporter making aircraft gestures." on a Youtube video.
. "The man from Crawley was arrested under the Public Order Act on suspicion of causing harassment, alarm or distress and has been bailed until 25 February pending further inquiries."
"As part of his bail conditions the man is not allowed to travel to Manchester for the Crawley Town Football Club match against Manchester United on Saturday."
"Crawley Town are believed to have given the fan a lifetime ban from the club."
So we've reached the stage where a teenager has his civil liberties curtailed without prosecution or trial, for what amounts to a "thought crime"?
I'm not concerned about an individual kid from Crawley, I am concerned about civil liberties.
Are we really not allowed to make a gesture or chant a song that might potentially cause distress to an opposition supporter?
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Also I've been to some sh!tty 60s/70s build, nothing to do with your time, poundland-tastic places in my time but Crawley takes the buscuit.
Indeed, it makes Wolverhampton seem like Rome. Quite the most utterly soulless place you could ever wish to find yourself..
I'm not having that. I once spent a week in Bracknell.
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It wasn't a sexist gesture/remark
It wasn't a racist gesture/remark
It may have been in bad taste but I can't see any reason why the police should become involved
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Pathetic...
* The twat doing it in the first place.
* The twat complaining to the police.
* The police for arresting the first twat.
Agreed
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So we've reached the stage where a teenager has his civil liberties curtailed without prosecution or trial, for what amounts to a "thought crime"?
It's more of a 'lack of thought' crime. He's not the first kid to not think through the consequences of his actions. It was
juvenile, no more than that. Not dangerous to anyone and not illegal.
The real offence seems to have been upsetting the untouchables that are Man Utd.
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Also I've been to some sh!tty 60s/70s build, nothing to do with your time, poundland-tastic places in my time but Crawley takes the buscuit.
Indeed, it makes Wolverhampton seem like Rome. Quite the most utterly soulless place you could ever wish to find yourself..
I'm not having that. I once spent a week in Bracknell.
Nah, Bracknell is not as bad as Crawley but possibly worse than Basingstoke...
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Perhaps we should complain about:
this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9qdFNa7yr8)
or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kk3VGSbjdA&feature=fvw)
I certainly think thats more serious than some misguided knobhead flapping his arms about.
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You surely can't arrest someone for taking the piss, however crass and distastefull?
My mate got knicked once for asking a copper if his head went to the top of his hat, so there is precedent.
The Crawley guy is a classless prick whereas your mate seems to have a fine pythonesque sense of humour with a healthy questioning of authority. However neither should be arrested.
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He's been banned for life by Crawley: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/15/crawley-fan-manchester-united-munich
This is a massive, massive over-reaction. What he did was stupid and thoughtless but he's only 19 for gods sake. Why the fuck are the police acting on behalf of Manchester United anyway? No need for an arrest, he'd already showed himself up to be a total tool in the video.
As if Man U need protecting from the ill-thought out piss-taking of a Crawley Town fan. Christ almighty.
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Maybe he was a fan of Vicenze Montella's "aeroplane" goal celebration? (I think it was Montella and not Totti).
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A few things need clarifying....
The police would only have got involved if someone contacted them to complain about the youths behaviour.
A public order offence is fairly low key in the grand sheme of things.
If the youth is on bail it hasn't impacted on his human rights/civil liberties as he is free to come and go as he pleases. All this means is he has to return to a police station on a certain time/date for the matter to be finalised.
I wouldn't be suprised if he has been given a bail condition "not to go to Crawley fotball club".
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I should imagine the police had no choice but to get involved. If someone makes a complaint, they have to, surely?
Damned if they do...
I'd say the kid's just a bit thick really and is probably regretting his actions now.
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I should imagine the police had no choice but to get involved. If someone makes a complaint, they have to, surely?
Damned if they do...
I'd say the kid's just a bit thick really and is probably regretting his actions now.
Of course they have a choice. Just imagine what the country would be like if they arrested everyone who a complaint was made against. I'd never be out of the station.
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I think what i'm trying to say, is that if someone has done something offensive, like our mate in this video has, and there is evidence, and a complaint, they probably have to.
D.boy?
I know what i'm trying to say anyway.
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I think they're obliged to investigate but arresting him seems over the top to me.
Manu fans think nothing of trivialising paedophilia with the song they sing about Wemger yet get offended by a bloke behaving like a knob in a video.
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A few things need clarifying....
The police would only have got involved if someone contacted them to complain about the youths behaviour.
A public order offence is fairly low key in the grand sheme of things.
If the youth is on bail it hasn't impacted on his human rights/civil liberties as he is free to come and go as he pleases. All this means is he has to return to a police station on a certain time/date for the matter to be finalised.
I wouldn't be suprised if he has been given a bail condition "not to go to Crawley fotball club".
As I understand it, the police have effectively banned him from going to the match in Manchester.
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Given that the entire economy of Crawley depends, directly or indirectly, on Gatwick airport I would argue that their supporters have a cultural right to identify with the aviation industry.
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For all we know he may have been filmed whilst warning fellow citizens of Crawley of a dangerously low-flying aircraft.
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I should imagine the police had no choice but to get involved. If someone makes a complaint, they have to, surely?
Damned if they do...
I'd say the kid's just a bit thick really and is probably regretting his actions now.
Of course they have a choice. Just imagine what the country would be like if they arrested everyone who a complaint was made against. I'd never be out of the station.
Don't forget your answering bail next week Chris.
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I think what i'm trying to say, is that if someone has done something offensive, like our mate in this video has, and there is evidence, and a complaint, they probably have to.
D.boy?
I know what i'm trying to say anyway.
That's correct. Years ago the police wouldn't have entertained the idea of getting involved with this sort of thing however over recent years in an attempt to try and win the public confidence they have been dealing with the most trivial of stuff. The home office made the changes to recording crimes etc so now every incident that is reported to police and is recorded on an incident log is scrutinised by a desk jockey and if it appears there has been an offence then the log will not be closed without a crime number. That crime is then allocated to an investigating officer (usually a P.C.) until it is finalised.
We are under pressure to hit targets re crimes detected so easy detections like this will be dealt with thoroughly.
5 or 6 years ago - You imagine 2 drunks having a bit of fisticuffs on a Friday night, police get called and speak to both parties who both have split lips. Neither party wants to make a complaint of assault so details of both are taken and they are sent on their way. Log updated with details and closed as "no complaint/allegations.
Same scenario now - both parties arrested on suspicion of assault and put in a cell overnight. Both are interviewed the following morning (if there are no independant witnesses or cctv footage) and neither wants to make a complaint of assault. Both are either charged with public order offence/affray/drunk and disorderly or released no futher action.
It will be interesting to see what changes are made following the incoming cutbacks. I can see the police moving away from the trivial stuff to concentrate on the real crime (I hope) and when the public ring about
"my neighbours cat keeps crapping in my garden" they will be told ... Sorry but that's not a police matter.