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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Deano's Mullet on February 14, 2011, 09:07:42 AM
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Sour grapes perhaps but is it just me or are the media totally going overboard about Rooney's goal? It was good but do we really need centre-fold posters of it in some of the newspapers this morning? Was it any better than Trevor Sinclair's goal for QPR all those years ago or even Berbatov's goal against Liverpool earlier in the season?
Had it been scored by a Villa, Everton or even a Spurs player i don't think it would have got anywhere near as much coverage. Petrov's goal against Derby three years ago had been forgotten by all non-Villa fans by the following week whilst there have been numerous goals scored over the last few years that haven't been raved about as much ie Dempsey's goal for Fulham vs Juventus last season.
Makes me sick how the media and even the Man Yoo fans are wanking all over him now after his "performances" in the World Cup and the transfer business where he held them to ransom. I still think he'll bugger off in the summer anyway to Real Madrid.
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No overhype for me, given the occassion, circumstance and timing of the goal, it was simply a stunning strike
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This one was scored in Sweden the other week. Very Van Basten like.
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Good goal but it was inevitably going to be over hyped because super Wayne Rooney scored it. As you say there have been a number of equally good goals but because there not scored by a ‘superstar’ player playing for super duper Man U there immediately forgotten about.
I thought our former defenders goal against the noses was equally good.
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Was Ryan Gigg's goal vs Arsenal any better than Dalian's vs Wimbledon? Both involved a run up the pitch but Dalian started from further back and actually had to dodge some challenges whereas no one even stuck a leg out vs Giggs. Ricky Villa's goal was better than Giggs!
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The presenter on Sky News suggested that it was the best goal ever. Well since 1992 anyway.
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Trevor Sinclair goal 1996-97
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I thought it was a brilliant goal in all honesty. And in all fairness that centre fold poster's going to sell lots of papers for the plastics
The continous wankfest is getting annoying though. I think Berbatov's overhead kick was better
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The presenter on Sky News suggested that it was the best goal ever. Well since 1992 anyway.
I know, I was surprised to see that Man U and Citeh had only played each other 13 times at Old Trafford. You'd think it was closer to a hundred.
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I've always maintained that Sinclair's goal is the best I've ever seen. Rooney's was spectacular alright but not quite as good.
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The presenter on Sky News suggested that it was the best goal ever. Well since 1992 anyway.
I know, I was surprised to see that Man U and Citeh had only played each other 13 times at Old Trafford. You'd think it was closer to a hundred.
That wind's me up that does when they do that. Chelsea's record against most teams up to about 1997 must have been pretty mediocre yet you'd never have thought so when they do the head to heads before matches these days. No wonder so many kids these days only support two or three teams.
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In fairness it was an incredible goal. The fact that it was a mathc winner, in a derby, between 2 teams going for the league puts it on a level that, unfortunatley, no matter what goal a Villa player scores it wont ever receive the same hype.
What I found ridiculous was Dwight Yorke saying he was delgihted for Rooney "after all he has been through!" What was referring to there? That he was caught out with a prossie or that he threw a temper tantrum until Man U caved in and agreed to pay him 200k a week or whatever he is on? The fact that Dwight was implying that people should have felt sorry for him because he wasnt playing all well is a joke and shows that not only do we have a new breed of footballers that think its ok to act like Rooney, but also a new breed of press who think its ok to justify it.
Oh, to the days of Andy and Ricky.....we can only imagine what lyrics Gray would have waxed over that goal.
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that is pretty much the reason that i have cancelled my sky sports subscription...
sick to death of them masterbating over certain clubs and their players, while ignoring the rest, to suit an agenda...
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Superb strike, from a superb player.
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It's a great goal, of that there is no doubt. But is it a superb strike? It looks like it's come off his shin in one view.
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All i can say is
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No overhype for me, given the occassion, circumstance and timing of the goal, it was simply a stunning strike
Let me remind you of similar circumstances Us v Blose...Gary Cahill. wonderful piece of skill and agility...however his name is not Rooney and he played for us.
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Would it be so overhyped if the scoreline was Man Utd 1 - 2 Man City?
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Superb strike, from a superb player.
When he feels like it
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It was a great goal but I feel that other goals are better as they include more skill. The Giggs goal is a perfect example of this.
I prefer another one of Ronney's goals; a chipped goal against Pompey a few seasons ago, a sublime piece of skill.
The goal against City was really Rooney chancing his luck. It came off, it could just of easily have ended up amongst Croydon's finest in row Z.
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To be fair, it was a great goal. Compounded with the fact that both are in the title race and it was a tasty derby, Man Utd best team in the world etc. etc. Bah! Cahill's overhead kick against Small Heath was a million times better. ;)
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They only showed it about 15 times on MOTD2 last night so you can hardly accuse them of overhyping it.....
And it was nice of Rooney to dedicate the goal to the Man United fans, so soon after screwing an extra couple of million a year from them.
A shame because it was a great goal but I'm already sick of it
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Good goal, but overhyped. Even Rooney, himself, said 9 out of 10 don't hit the net. Which suggests skill with a huge slice of luck.
It was one of those goals though I knew was going in as soon as the cross was put in. Somtimes, you just feel the vibe.
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It's a reminder of the skill Rooney has. His club rarely sees it and in his recent performances for England it appears even less.
Pity he doesn't put as much concentration into his football as he does shagging hookers...
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It was a fantastic goal but it really got on my tit ends that they didn't include Gary Cahill's piece of genius against the noses in last night's MOTD roundup. Not much to choose between that one and Rooney's in my view. Perhaps with the difference that ours is clearly the more important and more meaningful derby
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not quite as good as this one!
;D
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It's not over-hyped, it's a fantastic goal.
If there are better goals out there (and there are of course) then they are under-hyped and should be shown more often.
Football is all about moments like that one.
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Great goal but not as good as his goal against Newcastle a few years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUO7xl3p2QQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUO7xl3p2QQ)
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Bound to be over-hyped, not sure one can complain too much. Twas ever thus...
Still doesn't beat Van Persie's goal away at Charlton for me - full length of the pitch move capped off with a marvellous volley. It combined a wonderful team move with a stunning finish
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It was a fabulous goal, of course it was, but i still don't think it would have been shown 15 times on MOTD had Bent scored it.
Could have been worse, could have been Wilshire i suppose.
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It was good but for £200,000 a week i would expect Shriek to put the ball on the moon for that much money so all those getting turned on by it calm down.
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It was a fantastic goal, taking everything into consideration. The timing, importance etc. There have been a few similar before though, and its not like we have never seen this before.
Gary Cahill v Blues has been mentioned
Also, Rivaldo scored a screamer with very nearly the last kick of the game/season for Barcelona,which ensured they would be playing in Europe the following season. Peter Crouch has scored a few like that too. So the hype is a bit OTT, but what do you expect, its Man Utd!
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It was a fantastic goal, taking everything into consideration. The timing, importance etc. There have been a few similar before though, and its not like we have never seen this before.
Gary Cahill v Blues has been mentioned
Also, Rivaldo scored a screamer with very nearly the last kick of the game/season for Barcelona,which ensured they would be playing in Europe the following season. Peter Crouch has scored a few like that too. So the hype is a bit OTT, but what do you expect, its Man Utd!
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Great goal, but yes, overhyped because it's Rooney.
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To be fair i was texting my mate during the game and said that Rooney had stunk the place out again and that he could well be finished as his touch, everything seems to have deserted him
Then he scored and as much as i hate everything to do with United i jumped off the settee and said "Fuck me" as it was a tremendous goal
Just a pity it was by him for them
Oh and for the record i thought fatty and Milner were crap also
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The one thing the goal has done is completely overshadow the fact that Kompany pretty much had Rooney in his pocket throughout the game up to that point.
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The media still appear to cling to Rooney as the saviour of English football. Personally I think he's peaked and it would not surprise me if he was sold suring the summer. Only a year ago he was allegedly up there with Messi & Ronaldo, now he's nowhere near in my book.
A great goal yes, although there have been plenty better, I prefer to look at his first touch in the move that led to the goal. It looked like he hadn't taken his boots out of the box they came in.
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two words; Shin Pad. Good job he didnt hit it with his foot, or else it would have ended up in row g. Actually, I would have much preferred that ending
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Irani was embarrsing with his 'Goal of the Decade' shite this morning. 'With everything he's had to put with...' - all largely self-inflicted due to him trying to boff grannies or fatten up his wallet.
A good goal. A great goal. You can watch the Football League Show & see many others just as good every week.
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If you think the goal was over hyped then surely the best thing to do would be ignore it not start a thread adding to the hype.
I thought it was a brilliant goal and a superb piece of athleticism, there are very few players who could do that. Much as I loved the Cahill goal it wasn't in the same league, volleying a ball bouncing around the 6 yard box isn't the same as getting up to a cross like that.
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The media still appear to cling to Rooney as the saviour of English football. Personally I think he's peaked and it would not surprise me if he was sold suring the summer. Only a year ago he was allegedly up there with Messi & Ronaldo, now he's nowhere near in my book.
A great goal yes, although there have been plenty better, I prefer to look at his first touch in the move that led to the goal. It looked like he hadn't taken his boots out of the box they came in.
It was only 12 months ago that he was being talked of as in the same league as Messi, and deservedly so. He hasn't fully regained his form since his injury but I can't see there be any possibility of them selling him after giving him that bumper contract a few months ago.
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The media still appear to cling to Rooney as the saviour of English football. Personally I think he's peaked and it would not surprise me if he was sold suring the summer. Only a year ago he was allegedly up there with Messi & Ronaldo, now he's nowhere near in my book.
it would be interesting to see how many players who burst through at the ages of 16 / 17, that happens to...
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I think the Cahill goal was very much in the same league Chris. The athleticism was impeccable. The height of the ball was an issue, there was no pace on it either, plus the angle. Quite comfortably the best goal I have ever witnessed.
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So what's that 5 league goals this season? £200k+ a week. Give me a break. If you're judging goals on style and when it was scored how about Rivaldo in the last minute vs Valencia to complete a hattrick and qualify for the CL?
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The media still appear to cling to Rooney as the saviour of English football. Personally I think he's peaked and it would not surprise me if he was sold suring the summer. Only a year ago he was allegedly up there with Messi & Ronaldo, now he's nowhere near in my book.
A great goal yes, although there have been plenty better, I prefer to look at his first touch in the move that led to the goal. It looked like he hadn't taken his boots out of the box they came in.
It was only 12 months ago that he was being talked of as in the same league as Messi, and deservedly so. He hasn't fully regained his form since his injury but I can't see there be any possibility of them selling him after giving him that bumper contract a few months ago.
On the contrary, I think there is every possibility he will be off loaded in the Summer if Barca or Madrid come sniffing. That goal apart Rooney has not been as effective a player this season as in previous, £200K or whatever per week is not a good return on your investment when all you have too show for it is 5 goals. He might go on a run now but I can't see it. Rooney to me has lost something from his game.
Utd giving him a contract is just protecting their investment. They didn't want to lose him for a paltry amount with only a year or so on his contract so gave him a bumper contract to make him sign, something they will claw back with an over inflated transfer price in the summer.
If an under performing Torres is £50 million, God knows what price Rooney will command.
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I think they need the star quality though, Bren. After losing Ronaldo I don't think they will want it to happen again particularly as if he's for sale Man City will outbid everyone.
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Reminds me of Deano's goal against Ipswich in 93, at the time I thought it was the best goal I've ever seen, it didn't even win goal of the month.
I thought Rooney's strike was fantastic, always bugs me when defenders let forwards do overhead kicks, stick your head in, you might get kicked but you'll get a free kick for foot up, Kompany seemed to slip to be fair to him.
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Overhyped? It may be now that we've got a 4 page thread on it! ;)
In all seriousness though it was an absolutely stunning goal and technically perfect. Couple that with the match circumstances and it's pretty obvious that it will be talked about in such high regard. I find it hilarious how some people are saying it came of hs shin, nonsense, if you want a flukey goal then try looking at Gabby's goal at Blackpool, dozy twonk nearly missed it.
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...and what is wrong with scoring a goal off your shin.
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Lock the thread. I fuckin' hate him and his club.
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I personally think Bent's strike vs Citeh was better :D
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...and what is wrong with scoring a goal off your shin.
agree with you, Peter Withes shinned goal was far superior.
i think SKY will have to give the goals its own channel,
so that they can just keep showing it millions of times and get ex Man Utd players reaction to it,
with a few celebrity Utd fans doing a constant voiceover
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How can you over hype a goal like that !
I would like him to do that for England mind !!
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How can you over hype a goal like that !
By replaying it ad nauseum on telly, by reproducing the entire sequence leading up to the goal in photographs on non-sports pages of newspapers and having radio phone ins to discuss whether or not it was the best goal what's ever been scored. Ever.
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Undoubtedly a great goal simply on the basis of the athleticism and execution of the shot even if it did come off the shin.
However I've also heard pundits factoring in the skill of directing the ball into the far corner which is ridiculous, Rooney's only concern was getting contact the rest was in the lap of the Gods.
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Sinclair's is the better strike but don't underestimate how great a strike Rooney's was. as the ball was crossed it got a deflection off the defender's back meaning that he couldn't just stand and wait for the ball to come to him, he had to go out to meet the ball by a few steps and to then did what he did was technically brilliant. truly great hit but as i opened with, nowhere near Sinclair's.
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Anyone got a link to this wonder goal?
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Interviewer: A magical magical goal Wayne, is that one youve been practising in training?
Rooney: Yeh well I just saw the ball come over and hit it, but yeh the boss has been getting me to practise bicycle kicks every day in training.
Interviewer: Really? And who gave Sir Alex the idea?
Rooney: He said some bloke called Doug Ellis told him.
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Excellent goal.
I just don't get why everything has to to be the greatest/best/worst/etc... EVER!
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I wish we had a player who could that, our players struggle to get a freekick over the wall
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Gary Cahill?
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Only on H&V could a player score a goal that will rarely be seen executed in that manner, and be shot at. Seriously, given the tense vibe of the game, the fact United were a little on the back foot following City getting the equalizer a few minutes previously, and the fact is was a dog of a cross, all make the strike even better. I said when he scored it that it was one of the most incredible goals I had ever seen. Given all the pressure on him, and the game, it elevates in above most I have ever seen. There will always be one better, but christ on a bike, enjoy the skill. Don't care as long as it is not scored for Blues!!
I also thought the celebration was telling of how good a goal it was, and of what a relief it was to Rooney. He just stood, arms out, eyes closed, head back taking in the adulation of 70,000 people. I would imagine that life rarely gets better than that moment.
Having said all that Stan's goal against Madrid is my favourite of all time. Never had a game like that since for atmosphere, with that goal at the crescendo.
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Any link? Still not seen it.
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It is on youtube - just do Rooney goal vs Man City. Think it is one that will never look as good if you did not watch the match live though if that makes sense. Watching it cold and it is a very good overhead kick. In the context of 90 minutes, it was untouchable.
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I ruined my shins on the seat in front when Stan put that in! Was a fantastic atmosphere.
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Any link? Still not seen it.
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Thanks, mate. I'll do another search.
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Any link? Still not seen it.
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You star. Cheers!
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Good goal? Yes. Great goal? Yes. Goal of the season? Yet to be seen. Goal of the Decade (Ronnie Irani on TalkSport)? No, you pathetic excuse for a broadcaster.
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Has anyone mentioned that in the build up to the goal, the ball bobbled off his knee because he couldn't trap it properly? Has anyone also mentioned that Fanny's cross was so shit it caused Rooney to have to reach behind?
One of the jammiest goals I've ever seen.
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Any link? Still not seen it.
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You star. Cheers!
least I could do seeing as i tried to destroy your hotmail...
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A technically brilliant goal - could be Goal Of The Season. Can't stand Rooney but that was amazing.
...but all this "best goal ever" nonsense in the media - do me a favour!
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All i can say is
Best goal I've seen at VP that one. Almost as athletic as me jumping 3 rows forward to celebrate it!
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I've seen it a number of times, and while a good goal that deserves to be raved over a bit, it is very far from being the best goal ever scored and taken out of its context it's just a very unexpected and exciting strike that had its elements of fortune. I certainly don't think it's worthy of a poster in a tabloid.
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Just seen the goal now. In all honesty I wasn't that impressed.
I thought the link someone posted of Rooney's goal against Newcastle was far better.
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How can you over hype a goal like that !
By replaying it ad nauseum on telly, by reproducing the entire sequence leading up to the goal in photographs on non-sports pages of newspapers and having radio phone ins to discuss whether or not it was the best goal what's ever been scored. Ever.
Yep. That's the problem. Rooney scored it once, I've had to watch it a million times because I can't get away from the repeats. The constant repetition is counterproductive though because the more I see it the more ordinary it looks. I'm reminded of Jack Dee's comments about the assassination of JFK. Shocked at first, then after the first few hundred viewings he was thinking, "hey, nice convertible"
It's too easy just to reply, "don't watch it then", or "just ignore it'. The point is if I like football then I'm drawn to the programmes. I just want the content to be more balanced.
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Good goal - yes, although Sinclairs was better. Media poster pull outs meh. Used mine to light the fire.
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I don't think that we are the only ones to think that the reaction to this has been over the top! LINK (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/woman-impregnated-by-overhead-kick-201102143542/)
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It wasnt over hyped . I mean , Im still in shock that ogre can actually play football and get paid £200,000 a week to do it ..
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I'venonly seen it once. Haven't any seen any replays and haven't read any newspapers, so I don't feel like i've had it shoved down my throat.
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I'venonly seen it once. Haven't any seen any replays and haven't read any newspapers, so I don't feel like i've had it shoved down my throat.
Me too Villa1 - I've seen it once on Youtube !!
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Ricky Villa's goal was better than Giggs!
Ricky Villa's goal was hyped up to the ceiling. I thought Man City's first goal in the same match was better.
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I've only seen a replay of the goal twice, during the game itself, whilst in the King Edward pub in Blackpool. Luckliy we had to leave before Sky showed us over and over and over again and i've not seen it since.
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Only on H&V could a player score a goal that will rarely be seen executed in that manner, and be shot at. Seriously, given the tense vibe of the game, the fact United were a little on the back foot following City getting the equalizer a few minutes previously, and the fact is was a dog of a cross, all make the strike even better. I said when he scored it that it was one of the most incredible goals I had ever seen. Given all the pressure on him, and the game, it elevates in above most I have ever seen. There will always be one better, but christ on a bike, enjoy the skill. Don't care as long as it is not scored for Blues!!
I also thought the celebration was telling of how good a goal it was, and of what a relief it was to Rooney. He just stood, arms out, eyes closed, head back taking in the adulation of 70,000 people. I would imagine that life rarely gets better than that moment.
Having said all that Stan's goal against Madrid is my favourite of all time. Never had a game like that since for atmosphere, with that goal at the crescendo.
I agree with all of this.
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Rooney's the best goal seen at Old Trafford? My arse...
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I only saw it for the first time yesterday - after having heard so much about it, I searched online for it.
It was clearly a really excellent goal, but from the plaudits it was getting, I was expecting something like that Van Basten goal in 1988 - a truly top level goal, which I don't think it was.
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I still haven't seen it.
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You are Arsene Wenger and I claim my £50.
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Wonder strike, wonder goal. It's the kind of ending you expect to see at the end of a cheesy movie about football.
Don't think it's over hyped, it was fantastic. Maybe not as good as Sinclair's goal but it's up there. Goals like that don't come around too often. Maybe it's getting diluted down because people are scoring goals like this every game on their consoles or something?????
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Has anyone cracked a joke about Doug Ellis and bicycle kicks yet?
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Back to Villa goals, and the night will be the best night I'll remember, has to be the game against Inter and Kent Neilsons wonder strike.
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Back to Villa goals, and the night will be the best night I'll remember, has to be the game against Inter and Kent Neilsons wonder strike.
Great goal, but I always preferred the second. It's vintage Cowans-Platt stuff.
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Yeh that is a great goal also, quality pass and quality finish. If only we had two players like that in our team now.
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Yeh that is a great goal also, quality pass and quality finish. If only we had two players like that in our team now.
In fairness that's literally what our midfield is lacking - playmaking deep and advanced and runs for goal. Bradley can provide goals from midfield, but in our squad only Bannan has what Bentman calls "Sidness" about him, and he's still very much a young, developing player.
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Kent Nielsen's goal always brings back fantastic memories of that night!
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So what's that 5 league goals this season? £200k+ a week. Give me a break. If you're judging goals on style and when it was scored how about Rivaldo in the last minute vs Valencia to complete a hattrick and qualify for the CL?
This one you mean? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCwxlyN3B0E)
I also thought the celebration was telling of how good a goal it was, and of what a relief it was to Rooney. He just stood, arms out, eyes closed, head back taking in the adulation of 70,000 people. I would imagine that life rarely gets better than that moment.
After he'd run a good 30 yards to position himself directly in front of the away fans to really rub it in you mean?