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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Percy McCarthy on February 11, 2011, 05:50:26 PM

Title: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 11, 2011, 05:50:26 PM
I heard Bent was our seventieth England player. Does that mean we are now on 71, as it was Downing's first cap as a Villa player as well?
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Shrek on February 11, 2011, 05:56:50 PM
Do you mean against denmark? There were 3 villa players with 4 previous villa players.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 11, 2011, 05:59:02 PM
Do you mean against denmark? There were 3 villa players with 4 previous villa players.

No, I don't mean we had 70 or 71 Villa players playing against Denmark the other night. I meant over the last 137 years. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 11, 2011, 05:59:44 PM
No I think he means overall

70 england players have been capped whilst playing for England?
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: TheSandman on February 11, 2011, 06:00:30 PM
71 was what I worked it out as. Might have been wrong.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 11, 2011, 06:01:32 PM
No I think he means overall

70 england players have been capped whilst playing for England?

God this is more complicated than I thought.


70 or 71 Villa players have played for England.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 11, 2011, 06:02:39 PM
71 was what I worked it out as. Might have been wrong.

Anything official? Gabby was number 66 I think.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: eastie on February 11, 2011, 06:22:50 PM
Central news said more villa players capped than any other team for England but I thought they said 72, not sure though.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 11, 2011, 06:23:46 PM
71 apparently - someone's done the hard work already:

http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/astonvilla/england_players.htm

It would be 72 if you include Scott Carson who played for England whilst on loan to us.  By that measure, Kyle Walker wouldn't count either.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 11, 2011, 06:26:14 PM
We've got a lot of one-cap wonders in there.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: luke25 on February 11, 2011, 06:29:39 PM
Some simply fantastic names there, Gordon Sidney Cowans, Earl Delisser Barrett and my personal favourite Ugochuku Ehiogu
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: eastie on February 11, 2011, 06:31:08 PM
Surely if Carson was picked on the back of playing for villa he would count ? He was playing for villa at the time he was picked, same as when walker was picked his club was named in brackets as Aston villa .
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 11, 2011, 06:41:05 PM
Some simply fantastic names there, Gordon Sidney Cowans, Earl Delisser Barrett and my personal favourite Ugochuku Ehiogu

And Ivanhoe of course, but Lerwill misses that one out. Good work otherwise though John.

My first ever paid article was about Villa's England contribution.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: eamonn on February 11, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
Some simply fantastic names there, Gordon Sidney Cowans, Earl Delisser Barrett and my personal favourite Ugochuku Ehiogu

How much wood would an Ugochuku chuck if an Ugochuku didn't have an ego the size of a small country?
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 11, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
We've got a lot of one-cap wonders in there.

Including the greatest one-cap wonder of all time. Howard Vaughton. Played one, won one, scored FIVE. Never picked again.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: olaftab on February 12, 2011, 12:09:32 AM
Marc Albrighton will be the 72nd!
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: BannedUserIAT on February 12, 2011, 01:59:15 AM
Blimey! I can only assume it was a friendly against an under-strength Lichtenstein reserve side.

Watching that Denmark game and seeing how many players on the pitch had a Villa connection was quite something. And then Downing came on!
 
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: JJ-AV on February 12, 2011, 04:08:19 AM
Fuck England; we're the Villa - bigger and better!
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 12, 2011, 08:23:27 AM
No I think he means overall

70 england players have been capped whilst playing for England?

God this is more complicated than I thought.


70 or 71 Villa players have played for England.

Sorry I meant to say Villa  :-[
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: luke95 on February 12, 2011, 08:59:37 AM
71 players is even more impressive when you consider there were only 5 in the 40 years between 1940 & 1980.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: eastie on February 12, 2011, 09:15:24 AM
Central news say 72 but maybe they have counted Scott Carson which seems fair enough as he was playing for villa and being paid by villa at the time he was picked for england.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: darren woolley on February 12, 2011, 09:37:59 AM
It still makes me feel proud to have so many Villa players playing for England.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Beijing Villan on February 12, 2011, 11:36:26 AM
A team of Villa developed and/or current and/or recent players would not be too bad at all :

Carson - Warnock, Cahill, Barry, L. Young - Downing, A.Young, Milner - Gabby, Heskey, Bent

Reserves - Albrighton, Delph, Delf, Walker and err.. err.. Mazrim as reserve GK

Edit - Maz can start as the goalie and Carson can sit on the bench!
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Beijing Villan on February 12, 2011, 11:38:40 AM
Looking at the list of Villa capped players two names sadly stand out as not being on the list, Dennis Mortimer and Gary Shaw. Our European cup winning captain being sadly underated and Shaw's career ending too soon.

Did Ian Taylor ever make an England squad?
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 12, 2011, 11:40:24 AM
A team of Villa developed and/or current and/or recent players would not be too bad at all :

Carson - Warnock, Cahill, Barry, L. Young - Downing, A.Young, Milner - Gabby, Heskey, Bent

Reserves - Albrighton, Delph, Delf, Walker and err.. err.. Mazrim as reserve GK

Edit - Maz can start as the goalie and Carson can sit on the bench!

I'd have Myhill in goal if he's English. Carson on bench - no offence Maz.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 12, 2011, 11:59:50 AM
Wasn't Barry captain against Trinidad when he scored in a Jack Walker love in game before going to Man City?
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 12, 2011, 12:03:43 PM
A team of Villa developed and/or current and/or recent players would not be too bad at all :

Carson - Warnock, Cahill, Barry, L. Young - Downing, A.Young, Milner - Gabby, Heskey, Bent

Reserves - Albrighton, Delph, Delf, Walker and err.. err.. Mazrim as reserve GK

Edit - Maz can start as the goalie and Carson can sit on the bench!

I'd have Myhill in goal if he's English. Carson on bench - no offence Maz.

David James?
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: supertom on February 12, 2011, 12:58:58 PM
Looking at the list of Villa capped players two names sadly stand out as not being on the list, Dennis Mortimer and Gary Shaw. Our European cup winning captain being sadly underated and Shaw's career ending too soon.

Did Ian Taylor ever make an England squad?

I do recall Tayls making a squad one time. I might be wrong.  Maybe a provisional.

I definitely remember Draper and Wright getting call ups around 96.
Title: Re: How many Villa for England?
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2011, 01:04:53 PM
I'd have Myhill in goal if he's English. Carson on bench - no offence Maz.
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