Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TheMitaCopier on February 10, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
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in the football rich list
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12376035
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The twenty clubs with £s here;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1355310/Manchester-United-Arsenal-Manchester-City-Liverpool-Chelsea-Tottenham-Europes-rich-list.html
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Oooh! Is this like Monopoly and we're Old Kent Road?
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Oooh! Is this like Monopoly and we're Old Kent Road?
Yep. And the b-lose are on the monopoly c league game. They are the Lower Clapton Road.
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well - we could stick some hotels on Real or win a beauty contest
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The highlights report is available on the Deloitte website.
Deloitte Football Money League - Clicky (http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league-2011/5596840c99e9d210VgnVCM2000001b56f00aRCRD.htm)
Being one of the top 20 "richest" clubs in Europe doesn't seem to be of much use when it comes to competing on financial terms in the Premier League. I wonder what the average wage bill is for these 20 clubs?
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I hour, 2 minutes 27 seconds. Who won?
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I hour, 2 minutes 27 seconds. Who won?/quote]
werder bremen and borussia dortmund went to make coffee at a crucial moment, apparently
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Just looking at that list, is it me or is every team on it a regular in the Champions League apart from us?
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It's you.
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I hour, 2 minutes 27 seconds. Who won?
I did.
Unfortunately, I have since received a phone call from the gambling commission inviting me to a tribunal.
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Just looking at that list, is it me or is every team on it a regular in the Champions League apart from us?
and Spurs and Man City.
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The highlights report is available on the Deloitte website.
Deloitte Football Money League - Clicky (http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league-2011/5596840c99e9d210VgnVCM2000001b56f00aRCRD.htm)
Yes, let's get back in our box and just be happy to be competing with the Boltons and Charltons of this world.
Being one of the top 20 "richest" clubs in Europe doesn't seem to be of much use when it comes to competing on financial terms in the Premier League. I wonder what the average wage bill is for these 20 clubs?
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I hour, 2 minutes 27 seconds. Who won?
VfB Stuttgart got out of jail and collected on some utilities...or fenchurch street
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There should be a debt list.
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Just looking at that list, is it me or is every team on it a regular in the Champions League apart from us?
So are we under performing on the pitch or are we over performing off it?
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When did the teams in that list last win a trophy? Would we be the team with the longest trophy-less run?
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At least we are going in the right direction on and off the field well done Randy.
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At least we are going in the right direction on and off the field well done Randy.
Exactly. Isn't our position higher than last year? We were below Newcastle and Everton then as I seem to recall. We certainly didn't make the top 20.
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I guess the reason we've snuck in is the profit we made on player sales last year.
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To be honest I'd prefer a trophy or two.
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When did the teams in that list last win a trophy? Would we be the team with the longest trophy-less run?
I would expect it to be Man City.
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To be honest I'd prefer a trophy or two.
So would Man City I imagine.
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Spurs will be above Liverpool this year, with CL money all the extra sponsors and no doubt the more money they have charged at the gates.
We need to some how get the crowds back at Villa before we can start progressing.
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Chris Smith: I guess the reason we've snuck in is the profit we made on player sales last year.
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They don't include transfer profits.
It is based on 3 measures;
TV payments, we're ahead of Spurs
Matchday income, we're ahead of Man City
Commercial revenue, we're nowhere.
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How are Arsenal richer than Chelsea?
Watch the prices rise in the summer
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Chris Smith: I guess the reason we've snuck in is the profit we made on player sales last year.
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They don't include transfer profits.
It is based on 3 measures;
TV payments, we're ahead of Spurs
Matchday income, we're ahead of Man City
Commercial revenue, we're nowhere.
Interesting, how do we get higher match day income than Man City on smaller crowds?
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How are Arsenal richer than Chelsea?
20,000 more seats.
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How are Arsenal richer than Chelsea?
20,000 more seats.
Suppose but as chairmen go Chelsea are richer
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How are Arsenal richer than Chelsea?
Watch the prices rise in the summer
They're not.
It is about income, not spending power.
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Commercial revenue, we're nowhere.
Because of poor national/international awareness?
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not3bad: --- Quote from: Villadawg on Today at 10:36:58 AM ---Commercial revenue, we're nowhere. --- End quote ---Because of poor national/international awareness?
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Because of the Acorns shirt donation I suspect.
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Am I the only person who find it weird to see Villa on that rich list? I mean like amongst all those other clubs. We are by far the most unglamorous club on there.
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Am I the only person who find it weird to see Villa on that rich list? I mean like amongst all those other clubs. We are by far the most unglamorous club on there.
But with the best name. Apparently this was based on last season so which means no shirt sponsorship money on there.
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Is this the kind of measure by which the new ("Platini") rules on spending what you earn will be based? If so, we shouldn't be that far behind Spurs and City.
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Well done Villa, we'll soon be 19th!
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Perhaps Villa were boosted into 20th place by six home cup games last season, and a cup final.
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It would be interesting to have a comparison of ticket prices too - and a comparison of matchday income, tv revenue, and commercial activites.
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Am I the only person who find it weird to see Villa on that rich list? I mean like amongst all those other clubs. We are by far the most unglamorous club on there.
Says who? We're the club that created the game, and are former Champions of Europe. We don't half have an inferiority complex about our club.
I'd say our standing in the game, historical influence, the city we represent and catchment area would be superior to the vast majority of those clubs. "Glamour" is PR and perception. Admittedly, the PR side of our club has been something that we have long needed to enhance and develop.
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We even have a world cup winner!
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Just thinking about it, PR/perception of the club is related very strongly to commercial revenue. It's a massive area that we need to work on and develop.
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Am I the only person who find it weird to see Villa on that rich list? I mean like amongst all those other clubs. We are by far the most unglamorous club on there.
Are we heck as like.
Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke?
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Just thinking about it, PR/perception of the club is related very strongly to commercial revenue. It's a massive area that we need to work on and develop.
The report says…
Generally, clubs which have established brands with
history and tradition augmented by support that reaches
beyond domestic markets are the most successful in
driving commercial revenues.
Villa Commercial €16.0m (£13.1m)
Spurs Commercial €38.5m (£31.5m)
Man City Commercial €57.0m (£46.7m)
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I actually LIKE us being the most unglamorous club on there. Who said its a bad thing? At least we're not flaunting our riches like some clubs do even though we have a far better history than the likes of Chelsea, Spurs, Man Citeh etc. We're like the the humble rich, straight A student in high school but hardly anyone knows that we're rich and a straight A student. If you get what I mean.
I just find it weird that after seeing the likes of Real, Bayern and the Mancs, then 20th: Aston Villa. I just didn't expect it! Didn't know we were that rich to be honest. Oh, And I completely missed the German teams on that list. The website I saw only mentioned the top ten and the other English teams. :P Apologies.
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Just thinking about it, PR/perception of the club is related very strongly to commercial revenue. It's a massive area that we need to work on and develop.
The report says…
Generally, clubs which have established brands with
history and tradition augmented by support that reaches
beyond domestic markets are the most successful in
driving commercial revenues.
Villa Commercial €16.0m (£13.1m)
Spurs Commercial €38.5m (£31.5m)
Man City Commercial €57.0m (£46.7m)
That Man City figure looks suss.
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I'm more bothered about our dismal commercial figures
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Just looking at that list, is it me or is every team on it a regular in the Champions League apart from us?
It used to be a Spurs 'boast' that they had the highest turnover of any club that had never been in the Champions League. I suppose that if Man City qualify, that will be us.
BTW, Risso or anybody, was that turnover for 2008/09?
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Perhaps Villa were boosted into 20th place by six home cup games last season, and a cup final.
Gates for cup receipts are shared.
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Perhaps Villa were boosted into 20th place by six home cup games last season, and a cup final.
Gates for cup receipts are shared.
Not only that, but I've heard our next accounts are due at the end of this month. Surely those will be the ones pertaining to last season? Deloitte always seem to overlook this anmd make the same mistake every year.
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league-2011/da6306dd908bd210VgnVCM3000001c56f00aRCRD.htm
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Just thinking about it, PR/perception of the club is related very strongly to commercial revenue. It's a massive area that we need to work on and develop.
The report says…
Generally, clubs which have established brands with
history and tradition augmented by support that reaches
beyond domestic markets are the most successful in
driving commercial revenues.
Villa Commercial €16.0m (£13.1m)
Spurs Commercial €38.5m (£31.5m)
Man City Commercial €57.0m (£46.7m)
That Man City figure looks suss.
It wasn't that long ago when Man City and ourselves were neck and neck in this league table- indeed, I think we were ahead of them. Obviously we haven't the money behind us that they now have but I would say we are a far more marketable club in terms of history and stature. I think we are very undervalued when it comes to sponsorships. Thanks for the figures Villadawg.
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Man City are like owned by a country, they have spread globally, so have spurs which is why they spent pre-season in the USA.
We don't do that and are not a commercial brand worldwide.
I think the next 5 years is going to be good, because there isn't going to be the set 4 teams in the CL every year.
There is a top 5 this year pushing for 4 places and there is no reason why us and Liverpool can't join in next season if all goes to plan.
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Can't Randy bring us to Cleveland in the summer and make the natives like us?
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Just thinking about it, PR/perception of the club is related very strongly to commercial revenue. It's a massive area that we need to work on and develop.
The report says…
Generally, clubs which have established brands with
history and tradition augmented by support that reaches
beyond domestic markets are the most successful in
driving commercial revenues.
Villa Commercial €16.0m (£13.1m)
Spurs Commercial €38.5m (£31.5m)
Man City Commercial €57.0m (£46.7m)
That Man City figure looks suss.
Just a bit.
On top of a massive shirt sponsorship deal with the Abu Dhabi state airline Etihad they have deals with the Abu Dhabi Tourism Authority, Etisalat, the Abu Dhabi state telecomms company and Aabar, an Abu Dhabi state owned investment fund.
So that's UEFA's financial fair play rules sorted isn't it?
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Perhaps Villa were boosted into 20th place by six home cup games last season, and a cup final.
Gates for cup receipts are shared.
Not only that, but I've heard our next accounts are due at the end of this month. Surely those will be the ones pertaining to last season? Deloitte always seem to overlook this anmd make the same mistake every year.
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league-2011/da6306dd908bd210VgnVCM3000001c56f00aRCRD.htm
You don't have to file accounts until 9 months after the end of accounting date, so it can all get a bit complicated comparing one against the other, but I'd assume Deloitte would compare accounts for the same season, or it is all a bit pointless.
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On top of a massive shirt sponsorship deal with the Abu Dhabi state airline Etihad they have deals with the Abu Dhabi Tourism Authority, Etisalat, the Abu Dhabi state telecomms company and Aabar, an Abu Dhabi state owned investment fund.
So that's UEFA's financial fair play rules sorted isn't it?
Exactly right. I've said all along that these rules are a load of nonsense. There's going to be some sort of "anti-avoidance" committee but are they really going to be able to say that Man City's income isn't "legitimate." I'm guessing not.
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Perhaps Villa were boosted into 20th place by six home cup games last season, and a cup final.
Gates for cup receipts are shared.
Not only that, but I've heard our next accounts are due at the end of this month. Surely those will be the ones pertaining to last season? Deloitte always seem to overlook this anmd make the same mistake every year.
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league-2011/da6306dd908bd210VgnVCM3000001c56f00aRCRD.htm
You don't have to file accounts until 9 months after the end of accounting date, so it can all get a bit complicated comparing one against the other, but I'd assume Deloitte would compare accounts for the same season, or it is all a bit pointless.
They work with what they can get hold of - as long as the comparison charts highlight the financial years for each club, it's okay.
Although I agree, Percy, that it does make like-for-like comparisons difficult!
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Perhaps Villa were boosted into 20th place by six home cup games last season, and a cup final.
Gates for cup receipts are shared.
Not only that, but I've heard our next accounts are due at the end of this month. Surely those will be the ones pertaining to last season? Deloitte always seem to overlook this anmd make the same mistake every year.
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league-2011/da6306dd908bd210VgnVCM3000001c56f00aRCRD.htm
You don't have to file accounts until 9 months after the end of accounting date, so it can all get a bit complicated comparing one against the other, but I'd assume Deloitte would compare accounts for the same season, or it is all a bit pointless.
All very well paulie, but they clearly state they're talking about 2009/10 and going on about cup runs etc., when nobody but Villa and their accountants know the figures yet.
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Come on Risso, you're as sad as me. Clarification please!