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Title: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 03, 2011, 07:32:30 PM: Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Draw
West Ham v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Stoke - Win
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win (at last)

That should see us comfortable before playing Arsenal & Liverpool.

33 points up for grabs (obviously).

Last season...50 points was enough for top half.

What do you think? :-*
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 03, 2011, 07:35:06 PM: I think we will finally come unstuck at West Brom but apart from that I agree with those predictions.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 03, 2011, 07:37:15 PM: Win all of them.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2011, 07:38:37 PM: Last 11 games, huh? (Bar Arsenal and Liverpool)

Let's do a Gregory on it - lose the two easy ones, win the other nine and play the best football we've managed in years. Savo, Dwight, Stan, even Joachim chipping in. Young Barry and Hendrie emerging in midfield...marvellous

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Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2011, 07:39:49 PM: Lose against the bus stop in Sandwell?!
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Legion on February 03, 2011, 07:42:17 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on February 03, 2011, 07:32:30 PM

Aston Villa v Fulham - WIN
Blackpool v Aston Villa - WIN
Aston Villa v Blackburn - WIN
Bolton v Aston Villa - WIN
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - WIN
Everton v Aston Villa - DRAW
Aston Villa v Newcastle - WIN
West Ham v Aston Villa - WIN
Aston Villa v Stoke - WIN
West Brom v Aston Villa - DRAW
Aston Villa v Wigan - WIN
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: damon loves JT on February 03, 2011, 07:45:34 PM: I think you lot have got sunstroke.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2011, 07:46:36 PM: Draw against the bus stop in Sandwell?!
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: The Left Side on February 03, 2011, 07:47:43 PM: Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Lose (they get a last minute winner)
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win
Arsenal v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Liverpool - Win

That gives us 22 points, which is bang on 50!
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: andyh on February 03, 2011, 08:01:51 PM: I really dont want us to drop any points when it comes to Blackpool.
We need to stuff those fuckers and rub Gollums nose in donkey shit while we are at it.
Disrespectful twat.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 03, 2011, 08:05:01 PM: Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on February 03, 2011, 07:37:15 PM
Win all of them.
is the correct answer
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 03, 2011, 08:07:39 PM: Quote from: Ads on February 03, 2011, 07:39:49 PM
Lose against the bus stop in Sandwell?!

They have to be beat us one day. That's football.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Ian. on February 03, 2011, 08:13:24 PM: Well if my predictions are to go by on the BBC predictor table the bottom 3 will be Blackpool, Newcastle and Wigan. We are 9th.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2011, 08:34:02 PM: Win them all except Newcastle and Wigan, losing both of them.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Lambert and Payne on February 03, 2011, 08:34:36 PM: Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Draw
West Ham v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Stoke - Win
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: hawkeye on February 03, 2011, 09:09:14 PM: Quote from: alexpayne on February 03, 2011, 08:34:36 PM
Aston Villa v Fulham - lose
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - draw
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Newcastle - win
West Ham v Aston Villa - lose
Aston Villa v Stoke - draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - lose
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2011, 09:11:20 PM: Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on February 03, 2011, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 03, 2011, 07:39:49 PM
Lose against the bus stop in Sandwell?!

They have to be beat us one day. That's football.

Why do they have to beat us? They're shite.

There's more chance of Ragnarok occuring in the next five minutes than the bus stop in Sandwell beating us.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: TheBarneyArmy on February 03, 2011, 09:14:03 PM: There is no way the Tesco bags will beat us, even at their slag heap. With the remaining fixtures we have a top half finish should be relatively easy to achieve.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 03, 2011, 09:21:56 PM: Quote from: Ads on February 03, 2011, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on February 03, 2011, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 03, 2011, 07:39:49 PM
Lose against the bus stop in Sandwell?!

They have to be beat us one day. That's football.

Why do they have to beat us? They're shite.

There's more chance of Ragnarok occuring in the next five minutes than the bus stop in Sandwell beating us.

Yeah you're right, we have never lost to a "shite" team before so why start now. ::)
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: MELIKEVILLA on February 03, 2011, 09:29:25 PM: 33 points and an end of season loss to Liverpool!
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2011, 09:32:09 PM: Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: The Left Side on February 03, 2011, 10:18:27 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2011, 09:32:09 PM
Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

I like it!
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 03, 2011, 11:22:50 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2011, 09:32:09 PM
Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

If your offering that now then prepare for the proverbial limb to be torn from your body!
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2011, 11:43:10 PM: We need to be comfortable by the time we play the bus stop in Sandwell and the Northern Soulers. We might need to let them win to send small heath down.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 04, 2011, 12:00:53 AM: Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Stoke - Win
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: VillaZogmariner on February 04, 2011, 12:46:32 AM: We'll get 25 out of a possible 33 points.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: timeoutbigbar on February 04, 2011, 01:04:00 AM: Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Stoke - Win
West Brom v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

25 points, so a total of 53 points. Seems like europe might be ambitious after all.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: b23 on February 04, 2011, 01:30:44 AM: A 50 points total for the season will be acceptable in the circumstances.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 04, 2011, 10:03:58 AM: Let's win 'em all!
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 04, 2011, 10:28:02 AM: Aston Villa v Fulham - 3pts
Blackpool v Aston Villa - 3pts
Aston Villa v Blackburn - 3pts
Bolton v Aston Villa - 1pt
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - 3pts
Everton v Aston Villa - 0pts
Aston Villa v Newcastle - 3pts
West Ham v Aston Villa - 1pt
Aston Villa v Stoke - 1pt
West Brom v Aston Villa - 1pt
Aston Villa v Wigan - 3pts

A healthy 22 points, although I have no idea where that would put us.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: WikiVilla on February 04, 2011, 10:31:43 AM: Tomorrow is key to getting onto a good roll and some momentum for this run of games
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: DrGonzo on February 04, 2011, 11:01:41 AM: Realistically I can see us almost doubling our points tally with 13 games to go, if we can manage that I'll be chuffed as a gibbon in a swimming pool full of bananas.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Villa'Zawg on February 04, 2011, 11:08:33 AM: I'm loving the fact that almost everyone is expecting us to deliver top 3 type form for the rest of the season. I hope they're right, I suspect they'll be wrong.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: damon loves JT on February 04, 2011, 11:11:33 AM: +1. I am hopeful but not demented
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: WikiVilla on February 04, 2011, 11:29:21 AM: Depends whether the players "hit the beach" once we are looking comfortable safe in mid table
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 04, 2011, 11:38:32 AM: Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

17 points.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 05, 2011, 09:33:55 AM: I don't think we'll win them all but I don't think we'll lose any of them, Two toughest are Bolton away & Blackpool.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: levico on February 05, 2011, 10:15:26 PM: On today's performance we need to re-think most people's perception of how we will perform in remaining matches. I truly believe that 40 points won't be enough (all clubs near the bottom are picking up unexpected wins) and it will be touch and go for us. Good to WBA in freefall though - let's hope it lasts.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Witton Warrior on February 05, 2011, 11:00:22 PM: Quote from: Villadawg on February 04, 2011, 11:08:33 AM
I'm loving the fact that almost everyone is expecting us to deliver top 3 type form for the rest of the season. I hope they're right, I suspect they'll be wrong.

Vdawg I have to agree - my head said we would win 3, draw 5 and lose 3 before today. I saw nothing to disuade me from this today.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: JJ-AV on February 05, 2011, 11:25:31 PM: Looking at Everton, Stoke, Bolton and Newcastle's fixtures, 10 points from Blackpool, Blackburn, Bolton and Wolves should see us 8th or 9th going into the last 8 games (where we still have to play potential divisional rivals Stoke, Newcastle and Liverpool all at Villa Park).

Bolton have Everton, Newcastle, Us and Man Utd
Newcastle have Blackburn, SHA, Bolton and Everton
Everton have Bolton, Sunderland, Newcastle and SHA.
Stoke have SHA, Arsenal, West Brom and West Ham

Everyone has to play each other and it's so tight. If we can put some form together (which despite the last couple of results we've shown like doing IMO) then Europe is still very gettable.

TBH a top 8 finish is good enough for me, I don't really want the Europa League (Sunday kick offs and the distraction from the league) and it still makes us look attractive to potential targets.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: WikiVilla on February 06, 2011, 10:48:28 AM: So a shaky start to the "easy 11"

Blackpool away next, can't see us getting anything there based on our defending. They crete lots of chances, I think we'll have to score 3 to win
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 11:02:52 AM: How was it a shaky start? Really? It was 2 goalkeeping errors from being a very comfortable 2-0 win. As it was poor handling and then poor decision making cost us 2 silly goals, and gifted them a draw. In the scheme of things those mistakes won't happen every week, and we will finish up with 47-52 points and in the comfy zone. Then the real rebuilding will start.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Bad English on February 06, 2011, 11:03:01 AM: I see the next twelve as W4 D5 L3 which means 17 points and a total of 46 for the season. Enough to stay up.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: WikiVilla on February 06, 2011, 11:05:27 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 11:02:52 AM
How was it a shaky start? Really? It was 2 goalkeeping errors from being a very comfortable 2-0 win. As it was poor handling and then poor decision making cost us 2 silly goals, and gifted them a draw. In the scheme of things those mistakes won't happen every week, and we will finish up with 47-52 points and in the comfy zone. Then the real rebuilding will start.

Mmmm, we were hanging on a bit at the end, at home to Fulham, we should be doing better. As for the errors, there's been too many this season, not just Friedl, defence, midfield you name it
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 11:14:00 AM: The second came from Petrov and Clark pissing about with the ball, which we did too much, but we were not hanging on a the end at all, they had a couple of corners after we had a couple of corners. They are in their best form of the season too, and are defensively the best outside the top 4. We will play much easier sides than Fulham, and the mistakes were rare from the keeper.. just think there is often so much over reaction to some results.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: damon loves JT on February 06, 2011, 03:31:02 PM: Quote from: Bad Bent English on February 06, 2011, 11:03:01 AM
I see the next twelve as W4 D5 L3 which means 17 points and a total of 46 for the season. Enough to stay up.

That feels about right. I think it will be a bit of a grind. Considering I have wanted the season to be over since about the end of August, it makes no bloody difference to me
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: ez on February 06, 2011, 03:39:47 PM: Quote from: WikiVilla on February 06, 2011, 10:48:28 AM
So a shaky start to the "easy 11"

Blackpool away next, can't see us getting anything there based on our defending. They crete lots of chances, I think we'll have to score 3 to win
Thats the thing. Our defense is always likely to concede so really we have to outscore the opposition until its sorted out. Good viewing for neutrals but not for us.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2011, 03:54:33 PM: Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Draw
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

21 points
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 06, 2011, 04:35:22 PM: Quote from: toronto villa on February 06, 2011, 03:54:33 PM
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Draw
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

21 points

A ten match unbeaten run with our flaky defence and a keeper who alernates between worldbeater and Scott Carson?

Not a prayer.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2011, 04:47:23 PM: Quote from: pauliebentnuts on February 06, 2011, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 06, 2011, 03:54:33 PM
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Draw
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

21 points

A ten match unbeaten run with our flaky defence and a keeper who alernates between worldbeater and Scott Carson?

Not a prayer.

Is it any more unbelievable than your prediction of only one defeat in that sequence? The only realy difference between our predictions is that you've thrown in a loss to Bolton, whereas I've said a draw.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 06, 2011, 04:50:02 PM: Quote from: toronto villa on February 06, 2011, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: pauliebentnuts on February 06, 2011, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 06, 2011, 03:54:33 PM
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Draw
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

21 points

A ten match unbeaten run with our flaky defence and a keeper who alernates between worldbeater and Scott Carson?

Not a prayer.

Is it any more unbelievable than your prediction of only one defeat in that sequence? The only realy difference between our predictions is that you've thrown in a loss to Bolton, whereas I've said a draw.

I was alreayd being hopelessly optimistic with my predictions. I just don't see the confidence there to go on a run with zero defeats. Our not holding onto leads thing being the most frustrating and predictable thing.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 06, 2011, 04:52:58 PM: Blackpool v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Draw
Bolton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

A very realistic 13 points
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2011, 04:55:03 PM: So we're both being hopelessly optimistic? I think we can agree on that. But if you're going to call out my post, then you can't say that there's no chance of mine happening if yours isn't that disimilar.

Just as an aside, I'd sooner we went on a run of wins and losses that consecutive draws anyway. We really only need another 12 points to be certain of staying up, and I'd rather we didn't draw our way to safety, even if it means staying unbeaten.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 06, 2011, 05:01:48 PM: I wasn't calling you out on anything beyond saying that 11 matches unbeaten is incredibly unliklely.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: nick harper on February 06, 2011, 05:04:40 PM: Blackpool - 1pt
Blackburn -3pts
Bolton - 0pts
Wolves - 3pts
Everton - 0pts
Newcastle - 1pt
West Ham - 0pts
Stoke - 1pt
West Brom - 1pt
Wigan - 3pts

If we don't manage 13 points from those games we'll deserve to be in trouble. As things stand I don't think our defensive game is good enough to get any more than that.

I do worry that we might need to get something from those last two games.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 06, 2011, 05:04:59 PM: We really need to sort ourselves out defensively, or we'll be forever consistently inconsistent.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 06, 2011, 05:08:22 PM: Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 06, 2011, 05:04:59 PM
We really need to sort ourselves out defensively, or we'll be forever consistently inconsistent.

Yesterday, at 2-1, you just knew we were going to let it slip.

When you find yourselves with that kind of inevitability hanging around you, there's clearly something very wrong defensively.

Fulham were absolutely shite, other than the goals, I can barely remember them even trying to score. Yesterday, we conspired to wrestle the other two points from ourselves.

We passed the ball around excellently at times, and the players looked confident in other areas of the pitch, but we really must stop shooting ourselves in the foot.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 05:46:19 PM: I said during the game yesterday, by the start of next season I can only see Collins still being in the side, and that is at a push. I think the entire back 4 will be overhauled come the summer, and quite rightly.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: JJ-AV on February 06, 2011, 06:05:41 PM: Yeah I fully expect a new keeper, pair of full backs and centre half.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 06, 2011, 06:27:47 PM: Samba, Westwood, Baines and Walker signed permanently with Cuellar promoted to CB alongside Samba. That'd do me.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: JJ-AV on February 06, 2011, 06:34:08 PM: After the window we've just had I'd be looking more at Handamovic, Spahic and Lescott, personally. Baines and Walker would be nice too.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2011, 06:46:39 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 05:46:19 PM
I said during the game yesterday, by the start of next season I can only see Collins still being in the side, and that is at a push. I think the entire back 4 will be overhauled come the summer, and quite rightly.

What must be disappointing to Randy and Faulkner is that we only just shelled out massive amounts of the club's money on a new defence and we seemingly have to do so again. In all likelihood, we'll take a loss on all of those dealings (with the exception of Freidel, and maybe Collins). We'll likely sell or release Young, Beye, Warnock, Dunne with Davies already gone for a song. Incredible when you think about it.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 06:57:45 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on February 06, 2011, 06:34:08 PM
After the window we've just had I'd be looking more at Handamovic, Spahic and Lescott, personally. Baines and Walker would be nice too.

Yep. The days of shopping for Aldi standard players at Waitrose prices are over IMO, we are now shopping in Sainsbury's for Sainsbury's top end players.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: ez on February 06, 2011, 07:10:39 PM: Quote from: toronto villa on February 06, 2011, 06:46:39 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 05:46:19 PM
I said during the game yesterday, by the start of next season I can only see Collins still being in the side, and that is at a push. I think the entire back 4 will be overhauled come the summer, and quite rightly.
What must be disappointing to Randy and Faulkner is that we only just shelled out massive amounts of the club's money on a new defence and we seemingly have to do so again. In all likelihood, we'll take a loss on all of those dealings (with the exception of Freidel, and maybe Collins). We'll likely sell or release Young, Beye, Warnock, Dunne with Davies already gone for a song. Incredible when you think about it.
I can't fathom how the defense went from being one of the best in the league last season to one of the worst this.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 07:17:01 PM: Keeper gone past his tipping point, Dunne over 30 and showing it, Warnock lost form near on a year ago, and Luke Young has been injured or out of form, and is also over 30. They were a unit that were never going to last forever due to the ages of the key men.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2011, 07:19:20 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 07:17:01 PM
Keeper gone past his tipping point, Dunne over 30 and showing it, Warnock lost form near on a year ago, and Luke Young has been injured or out of form, and is also over 30. They were a unit that were never going to last forever due to the ages of the key men.

all of that and the players being asked to play football as opposed to just clearing it. We need to clear house and get in younger faster players. Clark and Walker are just the start.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 06, 2011, 07:59:18 PM: Quote from: toronto villa on February 06, 2011, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 07:17:01 PM
Keeper gone past his tipping point, Dunne over 30 and showing it, Warnock lost form near on a year ago, and Luke Young has been injured or out of form, and is also over 30. They were a unit that were never going to last forever due to the ages of the key men.

all of that and the players being asked to play football as opposed to just clearing it. We need to clear house and get in younger faster players. Clark and Walker are just the start.

Walker wll go back to Spurs, plus I think his crossing is poor and he suspect at the back even though he is excellent going forward at times. He is a bit of a Glen Johnson. (Puts tin hat on)
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2011, 09:07:06 PM: Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on February 06, 2011, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 06, 2011, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2011, 07:17:01 PM
Keeper gone past his tipping point, Dunne over 30 and showing it, Warnock lost form near on a year ago, and Luke Young has been injured or out of form, and is also over 30. They were a unit that were never going to last forever due to the ages of the key men.

all of that and the players being asked to play football as opposed to just clearing it. We need to clear house and get in younger faster players. Clark and Walker are just the start.

Walker wll go back to Spurs, plus I think his crossing is poor and he suspect at the back even though he is excellent going forward at times. He is a bit of a Glen Johnson. (Puts tin hat on)

Glen Johnson has regressed badly, but it's also worth noting that before his head and ego swelled, he was actually a very good player. Kyle Walker just doesn't seem that kind of person, but as importantly he's very young, seemingly willing to learn and will cost us a fraction of what Johnson cost Liverpool. I also think that GH is looking for fast overlapping full backs so he fits the mould entirely, and it's why Clark is only at LB until we get a more attacking LB in the summer. I just hope we've agreed a fee with Spurs already.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 06, 2011, 10:08:44 PM: The frustrating thing is the best defender at the club, Cuellar, will be leaving in the summer due to inactivity for most of this season.

I see Clark at centre half next season, alongside a more experience premier league defender but not Dunney or Collins (who can stay as a squad player). Wouldn't be against signing Walker, looks promising.

Would try and Get Onouha in as he can play RB or centre half well but will be difficult if Sunderland qualify for europe.

As for the thread title, I think we'll finish 9th or 10th on 48 points.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: hawkeye on February 06, 2011, 10:28:56 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on February 06, 2011, 10:08:44 PM
The frustrating thing is the best defender at the club, Cuellar, will be leaving in the summer due to inactivity for most of this season.

I see Clark at centre half next season, alongside a more experience premier league defender but not Dunney or Collins (who can stay as a squad player). Wouldn't be against signing Walker, looks promising.

Would try and Get Onouha in as he can play RB or centre half well but will be difficult if Sunderland qualify for europe.

As for the thread title, I think we'll finish 9th or 10th on 48 points.
Agree i really like Cuellar, he cant pass but he is excellent at defending, a great leap and timeing of clearing headers, the second goal was down to Friedel but also Dunne lost his marker
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 06, 2011, 10:38:55 PM: Cuellar is the Mellberg in the current squad, very good defender at reading the play and intercepting and competant in the air, bit hopeless regarding distribution but generally the best CB combos are one who's aerially dominant (like a Laursen) with a better footballer and ready of the game alongside him. In time i hope the footballing one will be Clark as I expect him at LB is just astop gap to the summer.

Problem with Carlos is I think the summer he'll only have one year left on his contract and no chance him signing a new one with GH still as manager so I expect him to go back to Spain.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: nick harper on February 07, 2011, 08:13:52 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on February 06, 2011, 10:38:55 PM
Cuellar is the Mellberg in the current squad, very good defender at reading the play and intercepting and competant in the air, bit hopeless regarding distribution but generally the best CB combos are one who's aerially dominant (like a Laursen) with a better footballer and ready of the game alongside him. In time i hope the footballing one will be Clark as I expect him at LB is just astop gap to the summer.

Problem with Carlos is I think the summer he'll only have one year left on his contract and no chance him signing a new one with GH still as manager so I expect him to go back to Spain.

Clark still has a way to go to be considered a first choice centre half. He is certainly composed and good on the ball but he can be outmuscled and is prone to diving in (though this will improve with experience). He is also not great in the air. He will need a really strong centre half alongside him next season if that is the way Houllier is planning to go.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 07, 2011, 08:49:06 AM: It wasn't Dunne who lost his man for the second equaliser. It was Collins.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: *shellac* on February 07, 2011, 09:39:15 AM: Blackpool v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

6 W 3 D 1 L = 21 points & +9 GD
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Concrete John on February 07, 2011, 10:06:19 AM: I really like Collins and would see him and Clark forming a good partnership. Collins as the big 'head it kick it' physical defender and Clark covering behind him with better on the ball ability. Hopefully either Dunne or Cuellar will stay as experienced cover. Then two attacking fullbacks are needed, whith hopefully one of them being Walker.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: TonyD on February 07, 2011, 10:07:24 AM: If the manager sticks to Saturday’s tactics then:

Blackpool v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Draw
Bolton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Lose
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Draw
West Ham v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Wigan – Draw

9 points.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: WikiVilla on February 07, 2011, 09:59:03 PM: i can see defeat at the weekend and the lino screwing up when DJ C was clearly off

"someone get down there and explain the offside rule"
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on February 08, 2011, 02:21:12 PM: Quote from: John M on February 07, 2011, 10:06:19 AM
I really like Collins and would see him and Clark forming a good partnership. Collins as the big 'head it kick it' physical defender and Clark covering behind him with better on the ball ability. Hopefully either Dunne or Cuellar will stay as experienced cover. Then two attacking fullbacks are needed, whith hopefully one of them being Walker.

I really don't get the clamouring for Walker's signature. He can't defend for toffee and he is a defender!!! I wouldn't mind him staying on IF and only IF GH can teach the lad how to defend and how to cross a ball otherwise I'd send him back to candleface. If he does well enough for Houllier to want to sign him then he will be going back there anyway. We wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell of signing him if he impresses.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 08, 2011, 04:29:17 PM: It is early days for Walker, as poster above said, he's also somewhat suspect defensively, which concerns me. Let's see how he goes.

I remember most of us were clamouring for Carson to be signed permanently a few years ago (I know I was), then he had his Croatia clanger and looked progressively worse after that.

Unfortunately, if Walker does really well, Spurs won't sell him in any case, so i don't know how much of a long term possibility he is for us
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: ian c. on February 08, 2011, 05:13:34 PM: I really have no clue how we will go over the next 10 games. I thought Man City would give us a hiding and that we would cruise to victory against Fulham.

I just hope we have enough points not to need anything from the last couple of games.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: villa for life on March 06, 2011, 04:16:25 PM: not quite going according to plan, then?
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 06, 2011, 04:55:59 PM: My predictions were

Aston Villa v Fulham - 3pts
Blackpool v Aston Villa - 3pts
Aston Villa v Blackburn - 3pts
Bolton v Aston Villa - 1pt

We've actualy got half the points I thought we would.
It's grim.

At least the finances off the pitch are healthy......oh.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:12:39 PM: We've got to sort the defence out pronto - only the Baggies and Blackpool have conceded more goals than us and if we keep that up we WILL go down.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 06, 2011, 05:19:19 PM: Quote from: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
We've got to sort the defence out pronto - only the Baggies and Blackpool have conceded more goals than us and if we keep that up we WILL go down.
I agree Adam, but we keep saying it and it's the same old same old.
What the fuck are they doing about it on the training ground?
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:22:08 PM: Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2011, 05:19:19 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
We've got to sort the defence out pronto - only the Baggies and Blackpool have conceded more goals than us and if we keep that up we WILL go down.
I agree Adam, but we keep saying it and it's the same old same old.
What the fuck are they doing about it on the training ground?

My thoughts exactly - the vast majority of our goals conceded recently have come from set-pieces. You'd expect any defensive coach would spend the majority of their time on practising defending set-pieces.

Amateur.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: The Left Side on March 06, 2011, 06:33:20 PM: Quote from: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:22:08 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2011, 05:19:19 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
We've got to sort the defence out pronto - only the Baggies and Blackpool have conceded more goals than us and if we keep that up we WILL go down.
I agree Adam, but we keep saying it and it's the same old same old.
What the fuck are they doing about it on the training ground?

My thoughts exactly - the vast majority of our goals conceded recently have come from set-pieces. You'd expect any defensive coach would spend the majority of their time on practising defending set-pieces.

Amateur.

Do we have a defensive coach?
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 06:50:48 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on March 06, 2011, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:22:08 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2011, 05:19:19 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
We've got to sort the defence out pronto - only the Baggies and Blackpool have conceded more goals than us and if we keep that up we WILL go down.
I agree Adam, but we keep saying it and it's the same old same old.
What the fuck are they doing about it on the training ground?

My thoughts exactly - the vast majority of our goals conceded recently have come from set-pieces. You'd expect any defensive coach would spend the majority of their time on practising defending set-pieces.

Amateur.

Do we have a defensive coach?

I agree the evidence suggests we don't but surely a club like ours with an £80m wage bill or whatever it is, can afford to employ a defensive coach?!
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 06, 2011, 06:59:28 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2011, 09:32:09 PM
Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

Now that is some impressive predictions. If anyone wants next weeks lottery numbers, you know where to go.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 06, 2011, 07:01:25 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 06, 2011, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2011, 09:32:09 PM
Aston Villa v Fulham - Win
Blackpool v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Blackburn - Win
Bolton v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wolverhampton - Win
Everton v Aston Villa - Draw
Aston Villa v Newcastle - Win
West Ham v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Stoke - Draw
West Brom v Aston Villa - Win
Aston Villa v Wigan - Win

Now that is some impressive predictions. If anyone wants next weeks lottery numbers, you know where to go.

First goal the winner and you'd be halfway there.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 06, 2011, 07:25:21 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on March 06, 2011, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:22:08 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2011, 05:19:19 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on March 06, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
We've got to sort the defence out pronto - only the Baggies and Blackpool have conceded more goals than us and if we keep that up we WILL go down.
I agree Adam, but we keep saying it and it's the same old same old.
What the fuck are they doing about it on the training ground?

My thoughts exactly - the vast majority of our goals conceded recently have come from set-pieces. You'd expect any defensive coach would spend the majority of their time on practising defending set-pieces.

Amateur.

Do we have a defensive coach?

I wouldn't call him defensive but he can be a bit prickly when under pressure.
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 06, 2011, 09:02:19 PM: I think I reckoned 3 wins, 4 draws and 4 losses for 13 points when this thread started - pretty much on track for that
Title: Re: The Next 11 Games.
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 06, 2011, 09:25:30 PM: I don't think 40 points will be enough this season.

On their day, most teams in the bottom two thirds of the table can beat one another, coupled with the fact that there isn't at least one team cut well adrift, means I think whoever is in 18th place will have something like 42 points.

We need four wins from our remaining home games, preferably including Wolves and Wigan. That, and avoiding defeat at Albion and West Ham, will see us home.

What a sad state of affairs.