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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Muscle-Dolphin on January 30, 2011, 02:01:42 PM
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Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
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cock.
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Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
No.......but I hope he does well for Newcastle as he is a very talented footballer. I wish things had worked out for him here as he would have made a big difference but things havnt for whatever reasons so time to move on. I am sure some of the problems are of Irelands "doing" ie attitude, not living in West Mids" etc but it never helped that Houiller didnt sign him and
does not appear to want him. In my opinion he hasnt been given much of a chance and he hasnt been played in his best position but im sure plenty will disagree with me
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He is what is worst about modern day footballers, he believes the hype and still believes he is as good as he was 2 seasons ago. Talent is a great thing but you must also put the work in for the team. From what little we have seen of him in a Villa shirt he is nowhere near a premier class footballer. Those episodes with Ireland (the country) and his alleged blatant lies about his grandmothers dying, when in fact his girlfriend had misscarried. his millionair lifestyle,etc.etc. Why oh Why did we sign him without having a manager in place and on £70,000 a week, very very strange.
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As I said in the transfer thread yesterday:
He is a busted flush, his career will now be on a downward trajectory, he will wind up at each new club (lower than the last) with a tale of woe (Oh Mancini, Houllier, Pardew etc didn't rate me) and how it wasn't his fault and how he wants to rebuild his career.... And then he will be the same lazy, useless, disinterested twat he has been for us for them and he will piss off to another even worse club after that.
It is a crying shame as when he ends up somewhere in League two or the lower echelons of the SPL in five or six years he will have been given the talent but not the mind. If he had the mind he would be one of the best players in the league. I don't know whether it makes me angry or sorry for him.
If we had a thread on Aston Villa players as theatrical characters he would be a shoo in for Blanche Du Bois.
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Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
No.......but I hope he does well for Newcastle as he is a very talented footballer. I wish things had worked out for him here as he would have made a big difference but things havnt for whatever reasons so time to move on. I am sure some of the problems are of Irelands "doing" ie attitude, not living in West Mids" etc but it never helped that Houiller didnt sign him and
does not appear to want him. In my opinion he hasnt been given much of a chance and he hasnt been played in his best position but im sure plenty will disagree with me
Totally agree Spangley.
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hmmm don't recall hearing much about this deal, so is it loan or transfer?
(Please oh please let it be the latter)
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Good riddance to the over hyped waste of space. He's taken the piss since he's been here, I hope he's just as much of a flop at Newcastle but at least he will be able to buy a few more pink cars.
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hmmm don't recall hearing much about this deal, so is it loan or transfer?
(Please oh please let it be the latter)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9381428.stm
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Twat of the first order - he was a makeweight in the Milner deal - not fit to lace Jimmys boots.
Good riddance you piss taking wanker.
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I'd still hope he could stay and get his shit together but if not, well, what a massive let down.
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Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
No.......but I hope he does well for Newcastle as he is a very talented footballer. I wish things had worked out for him here as he would have made a big difference but things havnt for whatever reasons so time to move on. I am sure some of the problems are of Irelands "doing" ie attitude, not living in West Mids" etc but it never helped that Houiller didnt sign him and
does not appear to want him. In my opinion he hasnt been given much of a chance and he hasnt been played in his best position but im sure plenty will disagree with me
i agree with you. hasn't had a fair crack of the whip, but i question whether he was pressing for it either.
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The money whores at man shitty should take note,its all well and good taking huge amounts of money in the short term.Problem being that if they dont play regularily for whatever reason the game moves on without them.Take note one James Milner.See also Steve Sidwell.
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Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
No.......but I hope he does well for Newcastle as he is a very talented footballer. I wish things had worked out for him here as he would have made a big difference but things havnt for whatever reasons so time to move on. I am sure some of the problems are of Irelands "doing" ie attitude, not living in West Mids" etc but it never helped that Houiller didnt sign him and
does not appear to want him. In my opinion he hasnt been given much of a chance and he hasnt been played in his best position but im sure plenty will disagree with me
i agree with you. hasn't had a fair crack of the whip, but i question whether he was pressing for it either.
Well if your not playing then he can only impress in training with his attitude and commitment which I cant see that he has
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I don't see what the guy wants from his football career?
If he feels he should be at a bigger club then he'd show it on the pitch
Why is going to Newcastle any better than staying here and knuckling down? does he think they're gonna build the side around him?
Its all very strange, and it sounds like a typical Newcastle medical if he can pass it despite being out with a knee injury for god knows how long
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I think we all better hope he does well at Newcastle, because we need to recoup as much money as possible from him. A bad spell in Newcastle and we are stuck with him.
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He can fuck off and stay fucked off.
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He's running away from his issues. Going to Newcastle doesn't change anything personally, but I hope he plays well so he can get a permanent move up there.
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Bye bye Stephen you mad old badger!
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Disappointed, especially after Houllier said he'd be here in February. Exactly the type of player Bent would thrive on playing with.
I'd have thought the last couple of months Villa and Ireland would have worked together to try and get him going for us again. Sadly it seems not.
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As I said in the transfer thread yesterday:
He is a busted flush, his career will now be on a downward trajectory, he will wind up at each new club (lower than the last) with a tale of woe (Oh Mancini, Houllier, Pardew etc didn't rate me) and how it wasn't his fault and how he wants to rebuild his career.... And then he will be the same lazy, useless, disinterested twat he has been for us for them and he will piss off to another even worse club after that.
Could say the same for Carew...
Ireland didn't want to be here, we don't want him here. Sorted.
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he doesn't want to be here that's clear so fuck off you baldy twat.
I think Bradley can be as good if not better
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Without seeing what's gone on behind the scenes with him it's hard to say what the problem is.
Having seen his performances at the start of the season, he looked to be hiding.
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Win Win for us as I see it. If he plays well and rediscovers his form then maybe there is a future with us if we decide to keep him. Alternatively he does well for the barcodes and we get our money back on him.
The only downer is if he goes wibble there and no-one will want him (apart from small heath).
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I think it unlikely we actively want him back.
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Get the impression from some comments from the Jounos on Twitter about Ireland that the knee injury he has been out with may have been more to do with him not being up for it Eamonn. I think you have to accept that he has done nothing to help himself since getting here, and has put very little into the games he has played. Hope he has a storming 6 months up there and we get 6-8 million back for him.
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Good riddance to the over hyped waste of space. He's taken the piss since he's been here, I hope he's just as much of a flop at Newcastle but at least he will be able to buy a few more pink cars.
Is how I see it aswell. Goodbye, Stephen. You won't be missed.
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Curcic/Collymore Mark II, without the (very) occasional good game that they at least managed.
Maybe we can do a part ex along with a chunk of cash for Milner and City fans will think they got the deal of the century as well.
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Knee injury my arse.
Bye.
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I hope he does OK up there. At least until they've been persuaded to part with £3 or £4 million for him.
I hope there are plenty at Villa Park that rue the day that not only did Citeh allow him become a make-weight in the deal that secured them our biggest asset, but they somehow also managed to value him at £8 million.
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Very talented footballer. Shame his head's gone. I hope he rediscovers his game and sanity at Newcastle, then Joey Barton stubs a cigar out in his ear at their end-of-season party.
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Fuck him.
I said he was a mental prick not long after he'd joined and so it's proved.
Let's hope Pardew doesn't ask him to train too hard or to work at a particular midfield position, otherwise he'll throw his toys out of his pram and we'll end up having to have the ****** back.
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Knee injury my arse.
Bye.
Essentially what I was trying to say, put much, much more eloquently!
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Rumour has it we have to pay 50% of his wages to play at Newcastle. Now that is a piss take.
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Rumour has it we have to pay 50% of his wages to play at Newcastle. Now that is a piss take.
Not suprising really
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Rumour has it we have to pay 50% of his wages to play at Newcastle. Now that is a piss take.
Not suprising really
Better than paying 100% of it and him staying here and doing fuck all as usual.
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Rumour has it we have to pay 50% of his wages to play at Newcastle. Now that is a piss take.
Not good Mark, but clearly Gerard would no longer use him under any circumstances, he is clearly one of the ones Houllier was refering to when he said he didn't want 'Miserable faces and moaning around the training ground.'
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The "barcodes" should be an interesting bunch (in terms of abnormal psychology) with Ireland, Barton and Carrol. Their parties would be a blast. With all the money that we put into Ireland, I am surprised that more has not been done to try and help him mentally in terms of psychiatry. I wonder if he has a substance abuse problem?
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Rumour has it we have to pay 50% of his wages to play at Newcastle. Now that is a piss take.
Not suprising really
Better than paying 100% of it and him staying here and doing fuck all as usual.
I'd prefer to see him training by himself for the next 4 years. He really is a twat.
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I don't normally wish people ill will, but as someone else pointed out above, he represents the very worst aspect of the modern game. As such i hope he suffers a career ending injury, his wife divorces him and takes all his cash and he ends up having to get a job as a tea boy in a hairdresing salon just to make ends meet, just about all he deserves really.
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I think it is best to get rid of him it is obvious he does not wan't to be here let's hope he can make the move to the geordie boys permanent.
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I don't wish him any ill will, but I hope his balls turn square and fester at the edges.
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Undoubtedly the biggest waste of time i've seen down there, worse than Callaghan even, who at least scored for us. Good riddance to the cretin.
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All the best, Stephen. Break a leg, as they say.
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Rumour has it we have to pay 50% of his wages to play at Newcastle. Now that is a piss take.
Hopefully we put a clause in saying that he HAS to play against us.
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If Newcastle can find him a good psychiatrist, then he's got a good chance of finding his form. He can be a great player, but he'll have to overcome himself. If he picks up his career there, great, we'll accept a nice big fee for him and try to forget that he ever fouled the air at Villa Park. Good riddance.
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Get the impression from some comments from the Jounos on Twitter about Ireland that the knee injury he has been out with may have been more to do with him not being up for it Eamonn. I think you have to accept that he has done nothing to help himself since getting here, and has put very little into the games he has played. Hope he has a storming 6 months up there and we get 6-8 million back for him.
Yeah, I realise he's been a gobshite, just disappointed it's not worked out. On-form he's the type of player we've been crying out for, for years.
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What are the chances of man shitty taking him and 17 million quid back and letting milner return pretending it was all just a bad dream
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Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
No.......but I hope he does well for Newcastle as he is a very talented footballer.
WTF???????
An overpaid prima donna of a piss taking gob shite comes to Villa with a stinking attitude, does the total sum of fuck all for us and then buggers off to Newcastle where we will reportedly continue to pay his wages and you hope he does well for them?
Seriously?
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Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
Apparently Ireland is undergoing a physical at Newcastle today. Wouldn't a psychological assessment be more fitting? Does anyone have any insight into Ireland's "problems" with respect to the Villans and the world in general?
No.......but I hope he does well for Newcastle as he is a very talented footballer.
WTF???????
An overpaid prima donna of a piss taking gob shite comes to Villa with a stinking attitude, does the total sum of fuck all for us and then buggers off to Newcastle where we will reportedly continue to pay his wages and you hope he does well for them?
Seriously?
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He didnt want to come to Villa in the 1st place yet our board signed him, yes he has had a poor attitude but the manager does not want him so he is prepared to pay half of his wages when he goes to Newcastle. if he plays well for them we may be able to sell him and get some of our money back
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Yeah poor Ireland. Imagine being paid 70k a week to kick a football around/do fuck all at a club you didn't want to join. Far, far better players than him have wanted to leave clubs and still turned in performances (Ronaldo, Milner, Barry, Adam, etc etc). If nothing else, he could have put some effort in out of self respect and/or desire to improve his station. Then he could have slapped in a transfer request and left for a better team than us instead of Newcastle. To be honest I have nothing but contempt for the little twat and wish him ill wherever he goes.
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I'd like to echo the sentiment of the mossaman's post.
I hope he dies on his arse up there and they go down, fuck the money.
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I hope he's shite for the Jawdees and they get relegated.
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I'd like to echo the sentiment of the mossaman's post.
I hope he dies on his arse up there and they go down, fuck the money.
Quite. The bloke is a first rate ass wipe, and i would also love to see the stripey barstools go down again. And stay there this time.
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I'd like to echo the sentiment of the mossaman's post.
I hope he dies on his arse up there and they go down, fuck the money.
I agree totally. Disrespectul little runt. Pretty near the top of my list of players I would like to smack in the face...
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Legion or Ozz, what do you make of his fish tank and the fish therein? Any cop?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/irelandpool.jpg)
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And you shall know the beast by the typically low standard of his tropical fish
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Legion or Ozz, what do you make of his fish tank and the fish therein? Any cop?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/irelandpool.jpg)
I'm not up on my tropical fish, but I can tell you that that's not an old trout.
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Legion or Ozz, what do you make of his fish tank and the fish therein? Any cop?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/irelandpool.jpg)
Nice pic, looks just like the one I posted on VT ;D
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She's gorgeous. They're marine. I'm more into tropical.
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what a wanker
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No fish in his holding tank
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/irelandswimpool.jpg)
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I hope he spills Andy Carroll's pint and Joey Barton catches him looking at his 'bird'.
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Those pictures... bloody hell, if I lived in a house like that I'd be afraid to wake up in the morning.
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11678_6712269,00.html
Skysports.com understands Stephen Ireland has agreed a loan move to Newcastle from Aston Villa.
The 24-year-old travelled to Tyneside on Sunday to hold talks and undergo a medical.
Ireland is thought to have agreed terms with Newcastle with the move set to go through on Monday upon the completion of his medical.
The talented midfielder has endured a difficult time at Aston Villa following his switch from Manchester City in the summer.
Ireland has made just 13 appearances for Villa this season and Gerard Houllier is willing to let him move on having signed Jean Makoun from Lyon earlier this month and also lined up a loan deal for USA midfielder Michael Bradley.
Ireland has been keen on a move away in search of regular first-team football and he hopes he can get his career back on track at St James' Park.
Newcastle boss Alan Pardew has been keen to bolster his squad and Ireland is expected to become the club's second signing of this transfer window after Hatem Ben Arfa made his loan switch permanent.
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'endured a difficult time.' oh, the poor man.
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Those pictures... bloody hell, if I lived in a house like that I'd be afraid to wake up in the morning.
I think his daughter does!!!
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/irelandpink.jpg)
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Christ, thats not nice
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No fish in his holding tank
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/irelandswimpool.jpg)
I can see a couple of great puppies, I mean guppys.
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I'd like to echo the sentiment of the mossaman's post.
I hope he dies on his arse up there and they go down, fuck the money.
I agree totally. Disrespectul little runt. Pretty near the top of my list of players I would like to smack in the face...
Think Joey Barton might help you out there ...
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Fuck him.
I said he was a mental prick not long after he'd joined and so it's proved.
The "barcodes" should be an interesting bunch (in terms of abnormal psychology) with Ireland, Barton and Carrol. Their parties would be a blast. With all the money that we put into Ireland, I am surprised that more has not been done to try and help him mentally in terms of psychiatry. I wonder if he has a substance abuse problem?
Speaking to a Man City fan recently he pin pointed out that Ireland's form/attitude whatever dipped after a bad head injury he got towards the end of the season when he was voted supporters player of the year. Apparently he was never the same again after that injury.
Maybe it's just down to a good old fashioned bang on the head resulting in the way he is now.
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11678_6712269,00.html
Skysports.com understands Stephen Ireland has agreed a loan move to Newcastle from Aston Villa.
The 24-year-old travelled to Tyneside on Sunday to hold talks and undergo a medical.
Ireland is thought to have agreed terms with Newcastle with the move set to go through on Monday upon the completion of his medical.
The talented midfielder has endured a difficult time at Aston Villa following his switch from Manchester City in the summer.
Ireland has made just 13 appearances for Villa this season and Gerard Houllier is willing to let him move on having signed Jean Makoun from Lyon earlier this month and also lined up a loan deal for USA midfielder Michael Bradley.
Ireland has been keen on a move away in search of regular first-team football and he hopes he can get his career back on track at St James' Park.
Newcastle boss Alan Pardew has been keen to bolster his squad and Ireland is expected to become the club's second signing of this transfer window after Hatem Ben Arfa made his loan switch permanent.
Please let it be true.
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Legion or Ozz, what do you make of his fish tank and the fish therein? Any cop?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/irelandpool.jpg)
Is it me or does anyone else agree that putting a huge fish tank next to a pool table just asking for trouble??
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/63vq7s.jpg)
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Seeing that has made me feel physically sick.
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Talk about a U turn.
When these pictures were put on here just after he signed, every man and his dog was defending him and some actually said that his house was nicely furnished!
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I think his fish tank is the dogs doo-dahs.
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(http://blogs.myhome.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/StephenIreland2.jpg)
"What sort of highly overrated, highly overpaid, couldnt give a toss, occasional footballer would live in a house like this?"
(http://watchwithmothers.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/13.jpg)
"Pardewwwwwwwwww, its overrrrrrrrrr to youuuuuuuuuuu."
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Talk about a U turn.
When these pictures were put on here just after he signed, every man and his dog was defending him and some actually said that his house was nicely furnished!
A point I made upon the signing of Darren Bent. The "Newcastle Syndrome" of glorifying players before they have kicked a ball in Villa colours.
Due to my cynical nature I would have remained guarded even if we had signed Pele. In the shirt, on the pitch and playing well.
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Talk about a U turn.
When these pictures were put on here just after he signed, every man and his dog was defending him and some actually said that his house was nicely furnished!
Not this man or his dog.
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Good riddance. He's been rubbish.
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No option to buy apparently so the club haven't completely written him off yet.
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The guy joined Villa without having much say in it.
He joined a Managerless club..... he must have been thinking, 'what the fuck am I doing here ?'
His temporary Manager (MacDonald) changed when Houllier was appointed.
Houllier is now the flavour of the month, but when he joined, he hadn't got a clue had he.
The guy has not exactly had any stability since joining has he.
Good luck at Newcastle I say.
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The guy has not exactly had any stability since joining has he.
Stability ? You make him sound like a deprived child living in a unstable family environment. He is 24 years old and a multi millionaire.
I suppose its the Villas fault he accidentally thought his grandmother had died too ? Oh sorry he was still at Man City then, theres something else we can have a go at them about.
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No option to buy apparently so the club haven't completely written him off yet.
That's sensible in my opinion, but not sure it's because we want him back. If we were to agree a fee now it would be quite low based upon him hardly featuring for us. So if he's crap Newcastle simply say 'no thanks' in the summer. If there is no fee agreed negotiations in the summer can start afresh. Again if he's crap they can still say 'no thanks', but if he does well we'll get more than we would agree to now.
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The guy has not exactly had any stability since joining has he.
Stability ? You make him sound like a deprived child living in a unstable family environment. He is 24 years old and a multi millionaire.
I suppose its the Villas fault he accidentally thought his grandmother had died too ? Oh sorry he was still at Man City then, theres something else we can have a go at them about.
Well, I have no reason to hate the guy.
It's how I see it - the guy hasn't been given much of a chance at VP.
It would be great if he did well at Newcastle and came back to play well for us renewed or that he plays well enough to command a decent transfer fee.
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Talk about a U turn.
When these pictures were put on here just after he signed, every man and his dog was defending him and some actually said that his house was nicely furnished!
Not this man or his dog.
True enough Chris.
You were the first to say he was a bit Tonto.
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Mat Kendrick on Twitter: "#nufc DON'T have an option to buy Stephen Ireland in loan deal. #avfc want him back in summer for a potential fresh start".
Kind of hope this is the case. It's been said before, yes, but if we could get Ireland on form, we would have one hell of a player on our hands.
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This just gets weirder and weirder. I just can't get my head around this Ireland situation at all.
I think the guy's a good footballer, I was pleased when he signed (I think parts of his house aren't too bad, though the daughter's room is horrendous, she must wake every morning with a headache). But he hardly made a roaring start to his Villa career, he seemed very quiet. Showed flashes in odd games, Chelsea particularly. I wonder how things might have panned out had he scored with that early effort against Chelsea, or with that late chance v Blues in the cup. Might have changed everything.
I started to think he wasn't being given a decent chance - Pires being brought on against Spurs on Boxing Day ahead of him, for example - but clearly something strange has been going on. He never seems to be injured until it's commented that he's been out of the squad, then suddenly there's some previously unexplained injury. Like this 'knee' injury. I can only think Houllier is seeing things he really doesn't like, in training, or from the man himself (and I think, with what we've been hearing about Warnock of late, there's plenty of things going on we don't know about). This whole time, we've not heard a peep out of Ireland.
And now, when he's leaving the club, there's this stuff about Villa not wanting to sell, wanting him to make a fresh start in the summer. I'm a bit flummoxed, to be honest.
One upside: it's nice to see Chris Smith can be right about something ;)
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I suppose its the Villas fault he accidentally thought his grandmother had died too ? Oh sorry he was still at Man City then, theres something else we can have a go at them about.
His missus was after having a miscarriage. There's plenty of things to give him stick over, but that episode is not one of them.
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His missus was after having a miscarriage. There's plenty of things to give him stick over, but that episode is not one of them.
What gets me is why he then said a nan had died? What really happened was a perfectly acceptable reason to not be able to play football. Even if he didn't want it the press, just tell the FAI and they'll call it 'family reasons'.
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What gets me is why he then said a nan had died? What really happened was a perfectly acceptable reason to not be able to play football. Even if he didn't want it the press, just tell the FAI and they'll call it 'family reasons'.
I agree to an extent, but I doubt many of us would be thinking too straight after something like this happening. Plus he didn't exactly have a great relationship with the FAI, so probably didn't trust them either. Whatever the reason, I still think it's harsh to criticise him on this one.
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What gets me is why he then said a nan had died? What really happened was a perfectly acceptable reason to not be able to play football. Even if he didn't want it the press, just tell the FAI and they'll call it 'family reasons'.
I agree to an extent, but I doubt many of us would be thinking too straight after something like this happening. Plus he didn't exactly have a great relationship with the FAI, so probably didn't trust them either. Whatever the reason, I still think it's harsh to criticise him on this one.
It's harsh to criticise anyone in those circumstances, but if it was a one off thing you'd put it down to the emotional stress he must have been under, but added to his other strange behaviour it's another tick in the 'mentalist' box I'm afraid.
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One upside: it's nice to see Chris Smith can be right about something ;)
Even blind squirrels can find hazlenuts now and again.
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The bloke is a first class wanker - no other name for him.
Crying off the night before the biggest game of the season then going out on the piss after the game.
Inexcusable in anybodies book
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I hope he does brilliantly at Newcastle. In fact I hope he turns into Pele. He has got ages left on his contract and we'd be able to charge them a fortune.
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I hope he does brilliantly at Newcastle. In fact I hope he turns into Pele. He has got ages left on his contract and we'd be able to charge them a fortune.
Indeed!
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I hope he does brilliantly at Newcastle. In fact I hope he turns into Pele. He has got ages left on his contract and we'd be able to charge them a fortune.
Indeed!
Won't we have agreed a fee up front? Isn't that what happens in most loans of this kind? Why would you loan someone if you didn't know how much they'd cost you to keep them?
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I gather the loan deal doesn't include an option to buy, so we could shaft them properly if he does well.
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I gather the loan deal doesn't include an option to buy, so we could shaft them properly if he does well.
So you wouldn't want to keep him if he does well ?
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I gather the loan deal doesn't include an option to buy, so we could shaft them properly if he does well.
So you wouldn't want to keep him if he does well ?
If he does well there, he probably won't want to come back here, so a sale will make more sense. In that case, getting more cash for him is a win win. I don't see what point there would be to agreeing a fee in advance for him now.
Anyway, i bet he's back here at the end of the season, having disappeared from view at Newcastle.
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I gather the loan deal doesn't include an option to buy, so we could shaft them properly if he does well.
So you wouldn't want to keep him if he does well ?
I think the horse has bolted. I can't be arsed pissing about with the stable door.
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Hopefully the announcement that the press conference has been moved back to 3:30pm means newcastle will include the baldy little get Ireland
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I gather the loan deal doesn't include an option to buy, so we could shaft them properly if he does well.
So you wouldn't want to keep him if he does well ?
No, he is a horrible ****** who has disrespected us. Fuck him and let him rot in a pile of his own shit.
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I gather the loan deal doesn't include an option to buy, so we could shaft them properly if he does well.
So you wouldn't want to keep him if he does well ?
No, he is a horrible c*** who has disrespected us. Fuck him and let him rot in a pile of his own shit.
Nice.
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I gather the loan deal doesn't include an option to buy, so we could shaft them properly if he does well.
So you wouldn't want to keep him if he does well ?
No, he is a horrible c*** who has disrespected us. Fuck him and let him rot in a pile of his own shit.
Yes, but what do you REALLY think?
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So has he actually gone then? I have been doing some work rather than looking at the internet of late.
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Medical failed. Time for him to knuckle down then. Right? Right!?
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Really?!
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Medical failed. Time for him to knuckle down then. Right? Right!?
Due to laziness and mental instability, I assume.
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flippin eck,
we are paying someone 65k a week and he cant even pass a medical ?
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I might've jumped the gun a bit. Apologies if so. Just looking to confirm it. Anyone else heard anything?
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I might've jumped the gun a bit. Apologies if so. Just looking to confirm it. Anyone else heard anything?
Newcastle were having a press conference at 3:30, I dunno if has been delayed again with all the Carroll news... time will tell or sky sports will.
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That conference has been cancelled, which suggests he may well have failed it, but then again I suppose they're trying to avoid questions over Carroll.
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The Carroll situation is far more likely to be the reason that press conference has been cancelled.
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Nicko first reported it about 2:30, He said he hadn't failed the medical but something had come up, the terms of the loan may have to be re-negotiated.
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Nicko first reported it about 2:30, He said he hadn't failed the medical but something had come up, the terms of the loan may have to be re-negotiated.
Ireland probably wants St. James's park moved closer to his cheshire home as he can't spend too long in his car as the air conditioning chaffes his lips after a few hours.
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Maybe his nan failed the medical.
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He hasn't failed the medical.
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Nicko first reported it about 2:30, He said he hadn't failed the medical but something had come up, the terms of the loan may have to be re-negotiated.
Ireland probably wants St. James's park moved closer to his cheshire home as he can't spend too long in his car as the air conditioning chaffes his lips after a few hours.
He's turned them down after they refused to turn the centre circle into a aquarium for him.
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I can see him quitting football at this rate. Total write-off.
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I can see him quitting football at this rate. Total write-off.
Man City must be laughing their gold plated bollocks off.
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May be time to spend some money on a psychologist to try to rehabilitate him, get him a few games and cut our losses and flog him in the summer.
Shame he has issues as he could have been a great player.
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I cant think of many things more likely to bollocks up his already fragile mental state even more than a few months at Newcastle.
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I cant think of many things more likely to bollocks up his already fragile mental state even more than a few months at Newcastle.
Great post Paulie
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I cant think of many things more likely to bollocks up his already fragile mental state even more than a few months at Newcastle.
I can if the deal falls through, being the one.
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Is he still here then? Bloody hope not.
All that talent, what a waist.
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Is he still here then? Bloody hope not.
All that talent, what a waist.
What, he's fat now as well? Blimey.
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Has the gobshyte fucked off yet?
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Has the gobshyte fucked off yet?
No, He is still plaguing us so I won't believe the rumours until he is in their shirt on their pitch (please please please).
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Is he still here then? Bloody hope not.
All that talent, what a waist.
What, he's fat now as well? Blimey.
Quicker than Bad English there Phantom Limb.
On the other hand has been seen lately? He may well have problem in that department for all we know.
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That oxygen thief should never have come here, did MON actually have plans for him? He was a make weight, we never wanted him. Believing his own hype of 2 seasons past, he wanted a big pay off from citeh, lied about his gran dying, refuses to move nearer and cuts a solemn figure of a baby throwing his toys out of the pram, with big pink wheels.
I'm probably being a bit harsh though. Gerrard told him what he wanted out of him, it didn't happen so it's time to move on, in Ireland's defence, he wasn't a player Gerrard wanted and for Houllier to say those things publicly rather than behind closed doors was a bit off key.
Joey's been a naughty boy but really I hope Barton punches him.
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Sky Sports News showing Newcastle as having completed the loan signing of Ireland, has this goone through?
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I wish the club had consulted me last summer, I was shouting from the rooftops not to touch the bloke with a bargepole.
And my judgement cannot be called into question as the ownership of several long playing records by the fine band Supertramp, proves.
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He is a twat, I really hope he does us all a favour and goes.....Ireland, Barton and Newcastle are a massive explosion waiting to happen, cant wait to see it from a far!
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Good riddance Baldilocks, don't come back.
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sky showing him in newcastles in players list so hope fully he's off
great player in his own head shame everytime he wore a villa shirt he turned into a muppet who couldn't run
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A marriage made in heaven. I can't wait to see the Cartoon Army's reaction to losing Caroll and getting Ireland.
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fuck me, a really excellent month. One defeat aside it's been brilliant. Am I being greedy by asking politely for one more deal in? A LB maybe?
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fuck me, a really excellent month. One defeat aside it's been brilliant. Am I being greedy by asking politely for one more deal in? A LB maybe?
To think, on the way back from the first home game of the year I couldn't see any light at the end of the tunnel for our club. How quickly those fortunes turn. There can't be a single Villa fan who isn't looking forward to Tuesday night and seeing what the team is now capable of.
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Is that the one where we beat West Ham 3-0?
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The SSN breaking news bar says Ireland has completed loan deal to Newcastle. Makes me very happy to see that!
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Is that the one where we beat West Ham 3-0?
First game of the year, not the season.
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Is that the one where we beat West Ham 3-0?
First game of the year, not the season.
Sorry.
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Is that the one where we beat West Ham 3-0?
No, that was the first home game of the season. The first one of the year was a 0-1 reverse to Sunderland.
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The SSN breaking news bar says Ireland has completed loan deal to Newcastle. Makes me very happy to see that!
Good stuff!!
Funny how the Liverpool fans are so happy to lose Torres, but blimey losing Ireland is much more rewarding
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Ignore me.
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Ignore me.
Said and done. Whoever you are.
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The SSN breaking news bar says Ireland has completed loan deal to Newcastle. Makes me very happy to see that!
Me too. Cheerio for now Ireland. Let's see if you strut your stuff at Newcastle. You obviously didn't want to be with us.
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He should fit in nicely up there along with the other nut cases!
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He should fit in nicely up there along with the other nut cases!
when we playing them ?
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And Newcastle have a massive load of cash to make it a permanent deal in the future as well.
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And Newcastle have a massive load of cash to make it a permanent deal in the future as well.
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yeah Heskey and Elmander up front
Ireland in midfield
Warnock at LB and maybe even NRC
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Provisionally on the 9th April.
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And Newcastle have a massive load of cash to make it a permanent deal in the future as well.
God, i hope so.
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Fantastic news, i guess he won't be able to play against us which is a shame as he would have had a boo or two!
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You're gotta feel for 'em really. In the depths of despair already with Caroll going only to switch on Sky and find they signed someone as mental as Gazza but without the ability or workrate.
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You're gotta feel for 'em really. In the depths of despair already with Caroll going only to switch on Sky and find they signed someone as mental as Gazza but without the ability or workrate.
He probably hasn't even got a sense of humour.
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I understand he did fail the medical today...........the Newcastle club doctor discovered
he was spineless-
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I understand he did fail the medical today...........the Newcastle club doctor discovered
he was spineless-
very good
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I understand he did fail the medical today...........the Newcastle club doctor discovered
he was spineless-
very good
He almost failed the medical for having a ******, then realised he was a ******. The ******...
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Not a fan Fergal :D
Good riddance to bad rubbish
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You're gotta feel for 'em really. In the depths of despair already with Caroll going only to switch on Sky and find they signed someone as mental as Gazza but without the ability or workrate.
He probably hasn't even got a sense of humour.
I bet he can't play the invisible flute as well either.
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Hope he does well, we want him back and he proves all the doubters wrong next season.
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I understand he did fail the medical today...........the Newcastle club doctor discovered
he was spineless-
And lacking a heart.
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be interesting to see if his form improves... the door is still open for him at the villa, and if he can sort out his loony little bald head, there is a quality footballer in there somewhere...
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be interesting to see if his form improves... the door is still open for him at the villa, and if he can sort out his loony little bald head, there is a quality footballer in there somewhere...
May have been mentioned before but I think the Bradley & Ireland loan deals reflect the Villa's canny approach to this transfer window. One we have until the end of the season with an option to buy if he looks the business, the other we send away to get his act together and if he does we either get the improved model back or sell him at an appropriate price. If Ireland returns no better than he is now then we are no worse off than now.
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what is his wages arrangement, on loan ??
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I understand he did fail the medical today...........the Newcastle club doctor discovered
he was spineless-
And lacking a heart.
Spineless, his brain fucked and having no heart...we should have loaned him to the Wizard of Oz
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He'd be wicked down the Villa.
And his passes would be killer.
If he only had da noive...
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what is his wages arrangement, on loan ??
The article I read on a Newcastle forum said they're paying 70% (£45k) of his wages, not sure how reliable that is though
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Eamonn, you are stunningly blind eyed to Ireland I have to say mate. He is a waster, nutcase, madman, it is not going to change.
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Hope he does well, we want him back and he proves all the doubters wrong next season.
I can't get my head around why he would put more effort in up there, rather than here.
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what is his wages arrangement, on loan ??
The article I read on a Newcastle forum said they're paying 70% (£45k) of his wages, not sure how reliable that is though
So his wages are being paid by Man City, Villa and Newcastle?
Its like a collection plate.
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what is his wages arrangement, on loan ??
The article I read on a Newcastle forum said they're paying 70% (£45k) of his wages, not sure how reliable that is though
I read something different yesterday about how we're paying at least 55% of his wages.
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Eamonn, you are stunningly blind eyed to Ireland I have to say mate. He is a waster, nutcase, madman, it is not going to change.
I've got to have hope. If I haven't got that then I've got....nothing.
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what is his wages arrangement, on loan ??
The article I read on a Newcastle forum said they're paying 70% (£45k) of his wages, not sure how reliable that is though
I read something different yesterday about how we're paying at least 55% of his wages.
Also funded by the inheritance of his grandmothers death ........
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So why is the mentalist not in the newcastle team tonight, is he actually injured I thought he was faking?
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Eamonn, you are stunningly blind eyed to Ireland I have to say mate. He is a waster, nutcase, madman, it is not going to change.
I've got to have hope. If I haven't got that then I've got....nothing.
You keep your hope but keep that ****** away from Villa. The ****** is far too cuntish to wear our shirt. The ******.
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Martin O'Neil and Stephen Ireland are walking down the street, Martin says " Ireland you are a ****** always have been a ****** and you always will be a ****** . Everything about you makes you a ****** an utter ****** , a complete ******. In fact if you entered a ****** competition you would come second." Ireland says " If I am such a ****** why wouldn't I win?" O'Neil replies " Because you are a ******"...
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Maybe if he feels that Newcastle are a club that actually wanted him rather than being a make-weight in a deal by a manager on his way out anyway, then he'll be in a better frame of (so called) mind to play.
But I doubt it. Anyone have a link to his Newcastle video I can analyse? :)
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I don't think he will enjoy playing for Newcastle. They are reverting to their default 'basket case' setting
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Has Barton sparked him yet ??
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Hmm...thought he might be a bit more self-critical on why things haven't gone well at Villa.
From the Newcastle site
The last 18 months have been difficult for Stephen Ireland, the Irish midfielder who joined Newcastle on loan until the end of the season on Monday. Having been happily settled at Manchester City since the age of 14, the whole landscape of the club changed when it was bought by the Abu Dhabi United Group.
Mark Hughes, the manager who had helped Ireland play the best football of his short career, was replaced by Roberto Mancini and less than a year later, having fallen out of favour despite being the reigning player of the year, he joined Aston Villa last summer.
His Villa career got off to a bad start - a 6-0 defeat at St. James' Park on his debut - and when Gerard Houllier took over from Kevin Macdonald in September, Ireland found himself regularly used as a substitute or withdrawn early from the action. He has started only six league games, made four appearances from the bench and completed 90 minutes only twice for the Midlands side.
But 24-year-old Ireland - who is at least a fortnight away from making his United debut because of a knee injury - is relishing the chance to "kickstart" his career at St. James' Park, as he revealed in this honest and frank interview.
Your loan move until the end of the season was completed on the final day of the transfer window. What are your thoughts on joining Newcastle?
It's a massive relief to be here. For the last 18 months, I haven't felt part of anything. The team spirit, the team itself; I haven't felt like I've belonged to it. I felt a bit like an outcast at times, which was difficult of course for me personally.
It affected my confidence and my fitness. The last time I played 90 minutes must have been months ago, and before that it must have been months again. I haven't had a consistent run so it's been very difficult.
So I came here unsure of what to expect - but within the first 15 or 20 minutes, I knew that I had come to a good club with good morale, a good bunch of lads who are really close and tight together. And already, I feel part of it.
I'm going to the Arsenal game and that's going to progress it further. For me, being part of the squad and being part of what they achieve, will feel good and that's given me confidence instantly.
It must have been tough because you were Manchester City's player of the year the season before last, and then everything changed with the ownership and manager. Then you went to Aston Villa where there was also a new manager almost as soon as you signed...
Yeah, I went from being the player of the year to the new manager getting appointed and me not being part of things, basically. That's what it boiled down to.
Then I went to Aston Villa because I wanted to kickstart my career again and it kind of backfired again for me. It wasn't great. A new manager came in and the same thing happened. I just seemed to be out of favour without actually doing anything wrong on either occasion, so that was difficult.
But I'm thankful I've got the opportunity to come here and kickstart again from here, and I'm ready to do that.
The last time you were at St. James' was probably a day you'd rather forget. It was your Villa debut and you were on the wrong end of a 6-0 defeat. Are you hoping to create some better memories of the stadium?
I've always liked coming here. Two years before, I scored here (for Manchester City) and it was the equaliser in a 2-2 draw, and I was always a fan of the ground; the stadium, the structure of the whole club and the fanbase.
I was a massive fan of all that so for me to come here was a big positive. I'm happy to be here and hopefully there'll be no negatives and we can continue on a good run and finish off the season strongly.
Gerard Houllier has said that the door is still open for you to return to Aston Villa in the summer. What do you hope to gain from this loan move?
I guess only time will tell whether the door is still open for me. I know he has said that, but I don't know if that is the case. I'd been left out of several squads in a row, so I don't know if the door is open.
There were opportunities where I could have been in the squad, on the bench or played, but a regular left-back was preferred in my position so that was strange. But he's welcome to say that and I'm contracted to Aston Villa. As things stand, I will be returning there for pre-season.
If I put myself in the shop window with this opportunity that I have here, be it at Newcastle or somewhere else, I'll see what comes my way. But as far as I know I'll be returning for pre-season with Aston Villa and whatever happens over the summer period, I'll take in my stride when it comes to me.
From what you've just said, though, if there was a chance to move to Newcastle in the summer you would be open to it?
I feel really settled even though it's only been a week. I'm settled in my accomodation, I've been around the city a few times now and Leon Best has taken me out and taken me to his house. I do feel settled.
Obviously being injured at the moment is not good, but when I'm fit I think that will help me settle even more so I'm trying to get back as quickly as I can.
And when you are fit and playing again, what do you think you can bring to the team?
First and foremost I just want to work hard for the team, the squad, fight as hard as I can for the cause and win some matches.
Obviously if assists and good performances and goals come, that would be a bonus, but first and foremost I want to work hard for my team, my team-mates, and for the fans - to show them I can knuckle down and work hard. Hopefully I can bring a bit of flair and a bit of my ability to the team too.
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He said a lot of the same things when he joined us. It would be refreshing for him to have said that he needs to take a good look at himself and take some responsibility for what has happened in his life and career. But that would be asking a lot wouldn't it?
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Hes a selfish little twat whose ego compares to our last manager.
I hope he does well at Newcastle and they take him off our hands.
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Is there an echo in here, he said the same thing when he came to us... stupid little man!
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did he feature today in the 4-4
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No.
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Is there an echo in here, he said the same thing when he came to us... stupid little man!
Amazes me how you can be so venomous towards the guy like this to be honest.
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Ireland work hard? Sure...
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I think there are two sides to this to be honest. In hindsight we shouldn't have brought him in without a manager in place, but he really hasn't been given much of a fair crack at it. His few performances weren't great, and he doesn't appear to be particularly clever when it comes to his comments in the media, but thats modern footballers for you. If someone could sort his head out, give him a run in the team and time to build up a bit of confidence he could still be a cracking player. Admittedly its probably gone a bit far for that to happen here though.
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He won't be back at Villa. Good riddance to a waste of space.
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Is there an echo in here, he said the same thing when he came to us... stupid little man!
Amazes me how you can be so venomous towards the guy like this to be honest.
I just don't think he tried hard enough when he got the opportunities in the first team, maybe he was injured and needed a better run in the team but he didn't move nearer to the club and I just believe if you are getting paid so much you need to work at it more. If you have been injured for nearly a year then you have to work extra hard to get back to the levels you were performing at before, I didn't see it from Ireland.
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Ireland probably won't return to his form of a couple of years ago because he doesn't acknowledge the fact that he has a problem. Like a little kid, it's everyone else's fault. "I didn't feel welcome (paraphrase).... blah, blah!".
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If he had taken that early chance v Chelsea it may have all been so different.
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I just seemed to be out of favour without actually doing anything wrong on either occasion, so that was difficult.
Yeah right, Houllier is just picking on you and you are totally blameless.
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I just seemed to be out of favour without actually doing anything wrong on either occasion, so that was difficult.
Yeah right, Houllier is just picking on you and you are totally blameless.
That's what I couldn't understand from the interview with Newcastle. It was honestly as if he'd done nothing wrong at all. In fact it was was no different to what he's said on joining us. Man up and take some responsibility for your own actions. That's the only way back for him as a player in this league.
And he'll find no favours up there either. If nothing else they've proved quite a resilient bunch that work hard for each other. That was some fight they showed yesterday. I don't know that Ireland has the stomach for that.
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I think the main problem is that he was asked to play a different midfield role to the one he had at Man City, rather than buckling down and trying to adapt to it, he went into man baby mode.
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Given all of the other issues we had at the time it would have been nice for one of the senior players like Ireland to see the bigger picture and make some sacrifices for the team. I'm not going to blame him for everything as there were other bad influences at the club at the same time, but he could really have helped.
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Contrast any recent Stephen Ireland comments to those of any Michael Bradley interview you can find on YouTube. I know who I'd rather have pulling on a Villa shirt.
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I think the critical point with Ireland was that, when we had almost all our senior players out injured and really needed him to step up, he also went missing... whether it was ineffectual in games, or 'injured' or 'unwell'. That says a lot. The injuries he's had have all been slightly odd, unexplained illness or this knee injury which no-one knew about for weeks.
I guess his reference to the 'regular left-back' who played in his position was Clark... who was played how many times in midfield? Only a handful, when we were down to the bare bones.
Really interested to see how he fits in at Newcastle. I'd have thought Kevin Nolan's got the 'attacking box to box midfielder' role well and truly sewn up so where Ireland fits in, I'm not quite sure....
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Contrast any recent Stephen Ireland comments to those of any Michael Bradley interview you can find on YouTube. I know who I'd rather have pulling on a Villa shirt.
Excellent point, Pete. If Bradley is half as good as his attitude we'll have some player on our hands. As I mentioned when we first signed him, if he fails to impress it won't be for the lack of trying.