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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Brigada1874 on January 27, 2011, 06:07:25 PM
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Today we've been told we will not be allowed any flags or banners into VP. Stupidly we decided to consult the club with our plans for a display honouring our previous triumphs in the FA cup for Satrdays game, we promised the FA cup display would only be displayed during the teams entrance and up until kick off, our other flags would be flown at this time and after a goal. We were point blank told no, no discussion nothing!
We as a group want to add a bit of colour and noise to VP we don't want to spoil others matchday in any way. We are absolutely gutted as we have put in time and money to make this display.
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Maybe ask the General and he will at least give you a reason why. Perhaps it is FA regulations... can't see any problem myself so long as the banners aren't offensive and are folded up before kick-off.
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Maybe ask the General and he will at least give you a reason why. Perhaps it is FA regulations... can't see any problem myself so long as the banners aren't offensive and are folded up before kick-off.
It's not FA regulations it's down to individual clubs (we've checked this) nothing offensive at all.
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I think cd is right, have a talk to the general if you can before you start fuming publicly.
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I think cd is right, have a talk to the general if you can before you start fuming publicly.
We've spoken to the head of security Paul Owens.
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Why not just bring them along to the game anyway?
By the way...the thread title is a good name for a band.
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Have you tried ringing Nicola Keye?
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Flags hanging over the stand on the Holte even ?
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Have you tried ringing Nicola Keye?
she's ticket office isn't she?
timvillain - no just handheld flags
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Have you tried ringing Nicola Keye?
she's ticket office isn't she?
Not sure, but The General always used to say to ring her if there was a problem.
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Have you tried ringing Nicola Keye?
she's ticket office isn't she?
Not sure, but The General always used to say to ring her if there was a problem.
Yeah im pretty certain she's the box office manager.
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I think Fletch was joking. "Ring Nicola Key" became a catch-all answer to all life's problems on this site for a while. "I can't get a ticket for the Everton game" - ""Ring Nicola Key", "The XXXL shirts aren't big enough for me and my fat offspring" - "Ring Nicola Key", "I keep getting aroused when I watch the Antiques Roadshow" - "Ring Nicola Key", and so on.
Unfortunately, some bastard taught has now her how to use the 'divert' button.
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I think Fletch was joking. "Ring Nicola Key" became a catch-all answer to all life's problems on this site for a while. "I can't get a ticket for the Everton game" - ""Ring Nicola Key", "The XXXL shirts aren't big enough for me and my fat offspring" - "Ring Nicola Key", "I keep getting aroused when I watch the Antiques Roadshow" - "Ring Nicola Key", and so on.
My mate rang her about a problem after the General had said the usual
'Give Nicola Keye a call, tell her I told you to.'
She burst into tears.
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Was that `your friend' with the erectile dysfunction issues?
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what has a flag go to do with paul owens(whoever he is)? If it is not offensive just bring it pal!
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what has a flag go to do with paul owens(whoever he is)? If it is not offensive just bring it pal!
there will be about 14 of them and the group banner
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Why would they have a problem bringing in your banners and flags into the stadium? Seems a bit silly. I like what you're doing with the flags and songs etc...
I'm sure the General will answer your question and help. Hopefully you're allowed your banners and flags back in the ground.
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Nicola Keye is Head of Consumer Sales. Try and speak to John Handley, Head of Security.
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John hanley is head of security and Paul Owens is his no 2. I don't see wot the problem is
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Nicola Keye is Head of Consumer Sales. Try and speak to John Handley, Head of Security.
We left a message on John Handleys voicemail, Paul Owens was the one we were able to discuss the matter with today.
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I bet Leighton never asks permission!
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Like everyone else is saying, contact the General. At least then he might be able find the specific reason why you cant bring them in.
If all else fails take them anyway, as the worst they'll do is take them off you and you can get them back later.
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Has anybody suggested contacting Nicola Keye?
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i dont think you are talking with the right people! I would just bring them down and see what the frig they do about it! You could ask the general, but that option isnt available when it all went a bit tits up results wise!
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I bet Leighton never asks permission!
Certainly not. We even had the help of the stewards to fix them to the metal railings.
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Seriously though, maybe the club have refused you permission because of who you are and more importantly some of the banners/badges that you have endorsed on your website.
I remember going on there a few weeks after you set up the group and seeing you had some anti-police logo’s, I cant remember exactly what they said but it was something along the lines of “We Hate Coppers” or “All Police are Wankers” etc.. As I say, can’t remember exactly but it was definitely along these lines and were endorsed by either you or the moderators.
Even if the material I have mentioned has now been removed on your website it was still there at some point and seemed to be part of the Brigada criteria. If those are the group’s views then how can you expect the club to officially endorse you?
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I remember going on there a few weeks after you set up the group and seeing you had some anti-police logo’s, I cant remember exactly what they said but it was something along the lines of “We Hate Coppers” or “All Police are Wankers” etc.. As I say, can’t remember exactly but it was definitely along these lines and were endorsed by either you or the moderators.
Leighton, there's no way we would endorse that.
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Sorry. Mis-read your post.
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I think i mentioned that on the last Brigada thread, Leigton. Shot themselves in the foot there really. The club, police and stewards are the people they need to keep onside. Why start alienating them straight away ?
Other than that, I can't really see what the problem is wih the flags and banners, etc.
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Seriously though, maybe the club have refused you permission because of who you are and more importantly some of the banners/badges that you have endorsed on your website.
I remember going on there a few weeks after you set up the group and seeing you had some anti-police logo’s, I cant remember exactly what they said but it was something along the lines of “We Hate Coppers” or “All Police are Wankers” etc.. As I say, can’t remember exactly but it was definitely along these lines and were endorsed by either you or the moderators.
Even if the material I have mentioned has now been removed on your website it was still there at some point and seemed to be part of the Brigada criteria. If those are the group’s views then how can you expect the club to officially endorse you?
Along those lines, I seem to remember when you first came on here and stated the criteria/aims of your group there was something about "always standing" at games.
I suspect that would not endear you to the club either.
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Was that `your friend' with the erectile dysfunction issues?
brilliant
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Was that `your friend' with the erectile dysfunction issues?
brilliant
Edson Arantes de Nascimento ?
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Sorry. Mis-read your post.
No problems Legion. I know this site and the mods have a bit more sense, well all apart from dress sense anyway...
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Leave Dave and Mac alone.
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Fuck off.
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lol. You're right about Dave though
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Sorry. Am I sacked?
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Oh, and Brigada, can you not fume on your own website? I'm sure the Green Brigade can give you some info on how to get nice banners into football grounds?
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Seriously though, maybe the club have refused you permission because of who you are and more importantly some of the banners/badges that you have endorsed on your website.
I remember going on there a few weeks after you set up the group and seeing you had some anti-police logo’s, I cant remember exactly what they said but it was something along the lines of “We Hate Coppers” or “All Police are Wankers” etc.. As I say, can’t remember exactly but it was definitely along these lines and were endorsed by either you or the moderators.
Even if the material I have mentioned has now been removed on your website it was still there at some point and seemed to be part of the Brigada criteria. If those are the group’s views then how can you expect the club to officially endorse you?
I think It was ACAB and it was taken down, it definitely wasn't endorsed by anyone and is 110% not part of any criteria.
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For what it's worth Mac, i have complimented you many times on your claret & blue trainers.
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Seriously though, maybe the club have refused you permission because of who you are and more importantly some of the banners/badges that you have endorsed on your website.
I remember going on there a few weeks after you set up the group and seeing you had some anti-police logo’s, I cant remember exactly what they said but it was something along the lines of “We Hate Coppers” or “All Police are Wankers” etc.. As I say, can’t remember exactly but it was definitely along these lines and were endorsed by either you or the moderators.
Even if the material I have mentioned has now been removed on your website it was still there at some point and seemed to be part of the Brigada criteria. If those are the group’s views then how can you expect the club to officially endorse you?
I think It was ACAB and it was taken down, it definitely wasn't endorsed by anyone and is 110% not part of any criteria.
Well I’m glad it was taken down, and I apologies in thinking that it was endorsed by you or the site. It certainly appeared that way. However, maybe the club were made aware of this too and if so then first impressions and all that…
Let’s hope that you can get involved in some good dialogue with the club and get things resolved. I like what you’re trying to encourage down there. Good luck.
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Seriously though, maybe the club have refused you permission because of who you are and more importantly some of the banners/badges that you have endorsed on your website.
I remember going on there a few weeks after you set up the group and seeing you had some anti-police logo’s, I cant remember exactly what they said but it was something along the lines of “We Hate Coppers” or “All Police are Wankers” etc.. As I say, can’t remember exactly but it was definitely along these lines and were endorsed by either you or the moderators.
Even if the material I have mentioned has now been removed on your website it was still there at some point and seemed to be part of the Brigada criteria. If those are the group’s views then how can you expect the club to officially endorse you?
I think It was ACAB and it was taken down, it definitely wasn't endorsed by anyone and is 110% not part of any criteria.
Well I’m glad it was taken down, and I apologies in thinking that it was endorsed by you or the site. It certainly appeared that way. However, maybe the club were made aware of this too and if so then first impressions and all that…
Let’s hope that you can get involved in some good dialogue with the club and get things resolved. I like what you’re trying to encourage down there. Good luck.
Look we have a Dolly Parton song thread I can assure you we definitely don't endorse any of Dolly's discography ;D
We thought the best route was to open a dialogue with the club but there was no discussion just point blank refusal.
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Just take them down to the next match. Dont ask for permission just do it. All will be good.
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Just take them down to the next match. Dont ask for permission just do it. All will be good.
That was plan A, we went with plan B the "sensible" approach which has backfired, one of the lads has asked the general is he can help, hopefully he can at least get us some sort of negotiation.
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Have you tried ringing Nicola Keye?
she's ticket office isn't she?
Not sure, but The General always used to say to ring her if there was a problem.
It is worth ringing her, she sorted out my boiler problem after some loon told me to take a blowtorch and a chainsaw to it on a DIY forum I visited.
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Have you tried ringing Nicola Keye?
she's ticket office isn't she?
Not sure, but The General always used to say to ring her if there was a problem.
It is worth ringing her, she sorted out my boiler problem after some loon told me to take a blowtorch and a chainsaw to it on a DIY forum I visited.
*Clappy thingy*
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hooliganism maybe your problem. the flares in the park vid that "coincidentally" coincided with there flare at st andrews. members of your site praising the celitc scum posse on there poppy banner. littering at brammel lane its all things the club might of picked up on. also are your banners fire proof yet?
sorry if my post sounds harsh but i dont believe your group has the club at hart. maybe not you but some of your members like to keep a certain reputation for being hard and fearless
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Paul Owens is his no 2.
He's my waste of favourite time.
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Ring the AA, they'll sort anything out nowadays.
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Ring the AA, they'll sort anything out nowadays.
Not as quickly as Nicola Keye.
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Can Ms Keye find me a mate who actually wants to go Saturday?
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My Clements are starting to make a come back, think I'll ring Ms. Keye for some advice.
I might get a free AVFC rubber doughnut to sit on.
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hooliganism maybe your problem. the flares in the park vid that "coincidentally" coincided with there flare at st andrews. members of your site praising the celitc scum posse on there poppy banner. littering at brammel lane its all things the club might of picked up on. also are your banners fire proof yet?
sorry if my post sounds harsh but i dont believe your group has the club at hart. maybe not you but some of your members like to keep a certain reputation for being hard and fearless
Flares in a empty park and a packed football stadium are a completely different thing coincidentally. You show me where any member of our site praised the popper banner made by the Green Brigade, you can't you have made that up or listened to shit spoken about us!
Littering Brammall lane are you for real?
As for the group not having the club at heart that is is laughable! Nobody in the group cares about reputation looks to mean like your jumping to conclusions or just making up shit to throw at us.
And finally none of this could effect the decision that was made because when we had the conversation with the club we didn't mention we were Brigada ;)
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Wear woolly jumpers with bobbles on them and stay silent at VP Brigada, you are not popular with the Guardian readers old chap.
Seriously, you need a meet up with the powers that be at VP to get buy in.
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Just take the flags in. There are plenty of banners draped around the ground so I cannot see it is an issue. What exactly is on aforementioned flags etc?
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Absolute bullshit if this is the case. They really do want to turn it into a family/theatre event don't they? No colour, no noise, sit down and keep quiet!!
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Paul Owens is his no 2.
He's my waste of favourite time.
I'm not gay or 'owt, but Dave, for that, I'm gonna give you my love tonight. AND tomorrow night.
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If all else fails and you are stuck and really wan't to get your flags into Villa Park then i suggest you ring Nicola Keye, sorry i just couldn't resist.
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littering at brammel lane
They were chucking confetti at Bramhall Lane.
Just take the flags in, don't ask for permission amnd see what happens
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Paul Owens is his no 2.
He's my waste of favourite time.
I'm not gay or 'owt, but Dave, for that, I'm gonna give you my love tonight. AND tomorrow night.
Even though, the love he gives to you never grows, but he can take the blows.
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Flares in a empty park and a packed football stadium are a completely different thing coincidentally. You show me where any member of our site praised the popper banner made by the Green Brigade, you can't you have made that up or listened to shit spoken about us!
But flares all the same. And a website with mentions of, shall we say, dubious supporter groups!
I'm all for your attempts to bring atmosphere to the match, but you're not doing yourself any favours with that website and the videos, you can't blame the club for being careful.
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Paul Owens is his no 2.
He's my waste of favourite time.
There's a song in there Dave.....
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Have you tried ringing Nicola Keye?
she's ticket office isn't she?
Not sure, but The General always used to say to ring her if there was a problem.
It is worth ringing her, she sorted out my boiler problem after some loon told me to take a blowtorch and a chainsaw to it on a DIY forum I visited.
I believe that is standard British Gas Homecare advice in order to avoid one of their pimply infants visiting your abode and informing you that you need a new boiler.
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BRIGADA 'Hello, is that Nicola Keye?'
NICOLA KEYE 'Er..yes.'
BRIGADA 'The General has asked me to give you a call regarding taking a flag into the ground.'
Nicola's eyes roll like fruit machine reels as she reaches into the drawer for the nearly finished bottle of Scotch.
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Can Ms Keye find me a mate who actually wants to go Saturday?
She might do and she'll certainly sell you a ticket for him!
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Depends how big the flags are! i like the flags that are draped over the side of the holte but if its a hand held flag and you were sitting in front of me and swinging it around and blocking my view I would get annoyed pretty quickly
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BRIGADA 'Hello, is that Nicola Keye?'
NICOLA KEYE 'Er..yes.'
BRIGADA 'The General has asked me to give you a call regarding taking a flag into the ground.'
Nicola's eyes roll like fruit machine reels as she reaches into the drawer for the nearly finished bottle of Scotch.
I hope she's paid on piece work she'll be loaded
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Paul Owens is his no 2.
He's my waste of favourite time.
I'm not gay or 'owt, but Dave, for that, I'm gonna give you my love tonight. AND tomorrow night.
But, Risso, being with you is meaningless, and ridiculous.
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Anyone wearing flares in or around Villa park definitely doesn't deserve to be allowed in.
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You're soooooo 1970s.
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Paul Owens is his no 2.
He's my waste of favourite time.
I'm not gay or 'owt, but Dave, for that, I'm gonna give you my love tonight. AND tomorrow night.
But, Risso, being with you is meaningless, and ridiculous.
Bloody hell, I remembered the song and that's bad enough, but the lyrics?
You sad bastards.
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You're soooooo 1970s.
And Brigada ain't no Nazis
They like to wear their leather boots
Cos it's exciting for the veterans
And it's a tonic for the troops.
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This is being discussed by club officials and all sides of the story are to be looked at.
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I bought that song.
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This is being discussed by club officials and all sides of the story are to be looked at.
Looks like this is the case we have had contact from the club and it could be very positive, tomorrows FA cup display is in doubt though which is a shame.
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How many flags are we talking here? Personally I like the hockey thing where you swirl around scarfs
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I hope this wouldn't be true, I would hate Villa Park to turn into a ground like the Valley where it may as well exist in Black and White for 90 minutes.
The club hasn't had issue with this before when they have used a free flag as an initiative to buy a ticket for games have they? Maybe they have certain criteria for the make and material of the particular flags though.
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How many flags are we talking here? Personally I like the hockey thing where you swirl around scarfs
would've been 14 plus the large group banner
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Nicola Keye, pictured on her way to work this morning...
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/nicolakeye.jpg)
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Nicola Keye, pictured on her way to work this morning...
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/nicolakeye.jpg)
She had overalls on when she came to sort our boiler out today. You sure that's her?
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Nicola Keye, pictured on her way to work this morning...
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/nicolakeye.jpg)
Does that mean she has the rope thing that makes people tell the truth?
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If she has we are all buggared on this site.
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Had to give my ticket away at the last minute so didn't see whether the flags were allowed in or not.
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I had a wedding to attend yesterday and didn't go, so would be interested to hear how it was or wasn't resolved.
As long as there is nothing offensive on the flags/banners and it doesn't obstruct someones view I don't see the problem. What is the difference between a few fans having flags and the club giving everyone a flag like for the Blackburn semi-final last year?
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I had a wedding to attend yesterday and didn't go, so would be interested to hear how it was or wasn't resolved.
As long as there is nothing offensive on the flags/banners and it doesn't obstruct someones view I don't see the problem. What is the difference between a few fans having flags and the club giving everyone a flag like for the Blackburn semi-final last year?
It's the 'obstructing someone's view' that's the problem.
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I had a wedding to attend yesterday and didn't go, so would be interested to hear how it was or wasn't resolved.
As long as there is nothing offensive on the flags/banners and it doesn't obstruct someones view I don't see the problem. What is the difference between a few fans having flags and the club giving everyone a flag like for the Blackburn semi-final last year?
It's the 'obstructing someone's view' that's the problem.
Surely the club are contradicting themselves by giving them to 40,000 people last year and now not letting 10 or so folk have a flag to wave?
I'm not particularly in favour of this 'manufactured atmosphere' that this group are trying to achieve but it does seem a bit silly
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I had a wedding to attend yesterday and didn't go, so would be interested to hear how it was or wasn't resolved.
As long as there is nothing offensive on the flags/banners and it doesn't obstruct someones view I don't see the problem. What is the difference between a few fans having flags and the club giving everyone a flag like for the Blackburn semi-final last year?
It's the 'obstructing someone's view' that's the problem.
Surely the club are contradicting themselves by giving them to 40,000 people last year and now not letting 10 or so folk have a flag to wave?
I'm not particularly in favour of this 'manufactured atmosphere' that this group are trying to achieve but it does seem a bit silly
There's a bit of a difference between the flags that were given out last year and one that's eight foot wide.
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If the Brigada are going to drape them over railings or barriers then I would assume that would be fine, unless they are blocking advertising hoardings of course.
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Anyone wearing flares in or around Villa park definitely doesn't deserve to be allowed in.
Says the man in THAT shirt!
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I had a wedding to attend yesterday and didn't go, so would be interested to hear how it was or wasn't resolved.
As long as there is nothing offensive on the flags/banners and it doesn't obstruct someones view I don't see the problem. What is the difference between a few fans having flags and the club giving everyone a flag like for the Blackburn semi-final last year?
It's the 'obstructing someone's view' that's the problem.
Some guys in the Lower North yesterday (extreme right hand corner - as opposed to extreme right wing :))
Were standing persistently and asked to sit on numerous occasions by stewards who became increasingly frustrated as I believe the owners have asked them to ease up on the strong arm tactics.
No problem with trying to create an atmosphere but these guys were not even watching the game or for that matter seemingly interested in doing anything but alienate the stewards and those of us having the temerity to want to watch a game of football.....silly me its all about creating "an atmosphere".
I believe one was evicted and his mates followed - unfortunately by this time a fella and his daughter in front of me had had enough and left, presumably to another seat.
Hopefully if Brigada and those of a similar opinion are able to find a solution with the club that pleases all. Why not offer the seats in the upper wings (always empty) at a reduced rate to the guys who want to sing and jump up and down. Designate it as a "singing area or such like" - not sure how we get over the standing issues with the local authority though.
I did have a conversation with one of the lads at half time - we both begged to disagree on certain points however it is evident that there can be some common ground to improve the atmosphere at B6 without upsetting others who pay good money to sit and watch a game of footy.