Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TheMitaCopier on January 26, 2011, 04:06:47 PM
-
thats what SSN just said
-
I would fucking hope not.
Especially if it's a loan.
-
Anyone out there know Curtis or has seen him at heartlands hospital queuing up for a medical?
-
The only positive would be they would then have 5 players in their squad who we got rid of because they weren't good enough, so we could call them our B team.
-
Would they be able to afford his wages?
-
The only positive would be they would then have 5 players in their squad who we got rid of because they weren't good enough, so we could call them our B team.
Davies, Gardner, Ridgewell, phillips, who's the 5th mate?
-
Fahey
-
Fahey.
-
of course! thats a good quiz question
-
I don't want another one of our players going to Small Heath but if it's going to happen then it's going to happen.
-
I don't want another one of our players going to Small Heath but if it's going to happen then it's going to happen.
Funnily enough I've no problem with defenders that are absolute liabilities joining them.
Also, it appears that Davies is good at Championship level, so I expect a move to blues will suit him down to the ground.
-
I dont like us doing any business with them c***s
Let them die
-
Next week Davies will be quoted in the Express & Star saying the loan move broke down because of money and they only tried to sign him as a publicity stunt.
-
Fahey.
Lordy, he's shit.
-
West Brom, Villa and then Blues. I wonder if they'll sell him to Wolves.
-
*ding dong*
Agent Davies to the Small Heath reception desk, that's Agent Davies to the Small Heath reception desk.
Thank you.
-
I thought he said yesterday he was going to Leicester? Davies would not get into the blues 1st team ahead of Johnson or damn but I daresay if he goes there sheldon will be on acclaiming him as the new beckenbaeur.
-
Fahey.
Lordy, he's shit.
He's so shit that all the noses I know have managed to identify him as such
-
Isn't Dann out for the season?
-
I stumbled across Fahey's Facebook a while back.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2m2j3oy.jpg)
-
Isn't Fahey a former Villa YTS player, when did we release him?
-
Do not sell him to a rival. Full stop .......
-
Get him over there and signed for them. Be some consolation for the millions wasted to know he'll be going AWOL in their defence till the end of the season.
-
Fahey.
Lordy, he's shit.
I like him.
-
Fahey.
Lordy, he's shit.
I like him.
Really?
I think he's one of the most talentless players i've ever seen in the Premiership.
Should be playing at League 1 level.
-
Maybe the fact that blose signed Craig Gardner now has seen larsson having to move on ...(to villa, surely not! ) ironic.
Side note gardner was striking a mean ball last nite something our midfield lacks!
-
Self confessed pub player.
-
Really tough one...
I don't want to strengthen their defence but Davies has been fooking awful for a while now, the Foxes have even said he's been pretty bad in most parts.
I doubt that Seb would get anywhere near our first team...So not much point.
Tell them 6 million for Davies if they don't want to pay send him on loan to the Chumpionship.
-
Do not sell him to a rival. Full stop .......
Agree - why help a Relegation rival? We must be mad to consider this! GH still needs at least two more recruits in this window.
-
I'd try and flog them Beye too
-
Fahey.
Lordy, he's shit.
I like him.
Really?
I think he's one of the most talentless players i've ever seen in the Premiership.
Should be playing at League 1 level.
Exactly.
-
I'd try and flog them Beye too
Isn't his contract up in the summer, I thought he would have gone by now?
-
Fahey.
Lordy, he's shit.
I like him.
Really?
I think he's one of the most talentless players i've ever seen in the Premiership.
Should be playing at League 1 level.
Exactly.
A-ha!
Dog shit mate of mine reckons he's a real favourite of McLeish's, can't do any wrong in his eyes.
-
No one else heard it may be a swap deal for Laarson, not a straight cash deal
-
No one else heard it may be a swap deal for Laarson, not a straight cash deal
It's all over NewsNow.
-
Do not sell him to a rival. Full stop .......
Agree - why help a Relegation rival? We must be mad to consider this! GH still needs at least two more recruits in this window.
Have you seen him play for us in the last season or two? Utterly, utterly awful.
-
Contrary to popular belief, Davies is a good footballer, one which the current style of play Gerard wants to play, i think would suit him. He has been unlucky with injuries. I think we need to remember also, that the last two players we sent there have actually become two of their best players, and Davies is streets ahead of both of them. Unless they are offering twice the price of everyone else, no deal.
-
Larsson + GBP1.5m = Davies, according to Sky. Lordy - that's a GBP7m loss.
Blose need someone having lost Dann. Would I be in the minority if I said I rated Johnson?
-
Larsson + GBP1.5m = Davies, according to Sky. Lordy - that's a GBP7m loss.
Blose need someone having lost Dann. Would I be in the minority if I said I rated Johnson?
Just put this in the transfer thread but it is relevant here as well. My only problem with it is Curtis' value is £3.5m and they want to give us him and £1.5 making Larsson, who contract is up in the summer, worth £2m ???? Not sure on that.
Also, no, you are not the only one who rates Johnson. He is a very good centre half.
-
Eh? Blues value Larsson at £5m, hence Davies (£3.5m player) goes that way and they give us £1.5m.
Do we need Larsson though?
-
Eh? Blues value Larsson at £5m, hence Davies (£3.5m player) goes that way and they give us £1.5m.
No, look at it again. Davies is valued at £3.5m. They are giving us Larsson and £1.5m making Larsson worth £2m. Larsson is never worth £2m with so little time left on his contract. I'm sure blues accepted a bid of circa £500k from Newcastle a few weeks ago so it doesn't add up.
-
On the occasions I have been unfortunate to watch that lot mostly when they are playing us - I have always thought Larsson looked their best midfielder - but then again that could be given the fact he does not have to do much to look the best they have. Does he not have a terrible injury record ??
-
Eh? Blues value Larsson at £5m, hence Davies (£3.5m player) goes that way and they give us £1.5m.
I thought they turned down a bid for a £1,000,000 from Blackburn ?
No, look at it again. Davies is valued at £3.5m. They are giving us Larsson and £1.5m making Larsson worth £2m. Larsson is never worth £2m with so little time left on his contract. I'm sure blues accepted a bid of circa £500k from Newcastle a few weeks ago so it doesn't add up.
-
Eh? Blues value Larsson at £5m, hence Davies (£3.5m player) goes that way and they give us £1.5m.
No, look at it again. Davies is valued at £3.5m. They are giving us Larsson and £1.5m making Larsson worth £2m. Larsson is never worth £2m with so little time left on his contract. I'm sure blues accepted a bid of circa £500k from Newcastle a few weeks ago so it doesn't add up.
I thought they'd turned down a bid for a 1,000,000 from Blackburn
-
Eh? Blues value Larsson at £5m, hence Davies (£3.5m player) goes that way and they give us £1.5m.
No, look at it again. Davies is valued at £3.5m. They are giving us Larsson and £1.5m making Larsson worth £2m. Larsson is never worth £2m with so little time left on his contract. I'm sure blues accepted a bid of circa £500k from Newcastle a few weeks ago so it doesn't add up.
£2.5m was mooted for Davies before.
So I reckon the value of Larsson is £1m.
-
I don't rate Larsson at all and he may shine in a better team but I rate Curtis lower so a swap like this might just have some value for us. Curtis needs to play along side a strong central defender so may do well with Johnson. On the other hand, remembering how he played against Vienna he might just help the Dogs gain relegation.
-
Contrary to popular belief, Davies is a good footballer, one which the current style of play Gerard wants to play, i think would suit him. He has been unlucky with injuries. I think we need to remember also, that the last two players we sent there have actually become two of their best players, and Davies is streets ahead of both of them. Unless they are offering twice the price of everyone else, no deal.
Apart from his 12 month on loan he's been with us 3 seasons is it and that's some injury list. The bloke even when a regular was nothing like as good as the 4 back we have now.
Any deal to get rid is a good one, taking another player on lower wages is a bonus, as long as he's not got Irelands mentality, and I don't believe Larson has
-
I get the impression with Davies is that he thinks he's too good to be a defender, which affects his concentration, I much prefer the likes of Dunne, Collins and Cuellar who throw their bodies in the way, I don't remember seeing Curtis ever do that, he did slice more clearances than any defender I've known.
He should be the sort of defender who would suit Houllier but GH obviously doesn't rate him.
To his credit he was excellent at the JV christmas party a couple of years ago, not a reason to give him a new contract though.
-
I know Davies devides opinion, in my opinion he isn't good enough
-
A monumental waste of money. Why didn't Villa give MON the Darren Bent money I hear them cry! Well, we did and this is one of the examples of how how he wasted it. MON is a good manager but he buys some dross, I never thought CD would make it at the Villa and it turns out he hasn't and is off to the Villa players graveyard, namely, St. Andrews. Bye bye Curtis, you won't be missed too badly.
-
I don't see the point in bringing in Larsson. He is decent at set-pieces and that is about it.
-
3.5 million I've just heard on talksport, no mention of Larssen
-
3.5 million I've just heard on talksport, no mention of Larssen
From what GH said at the press conference Larsson is still on but seperate from this deal
-
I seem to remember that before he signed for us he was being touted as the next Ferdinand and future England defender and captain. I bought into this but alas it was tosh.
-
But you know he will do well for the Blues!!
-
Curtis if you want to earn my respect take the fuckers down
-
Remember when MON left? Davies gobbing off when leaving training, as if he was the best footballer at the club and had been treated so unfairly?
It seems the previous manager was not alone in his opinion and this should be a saliant lesson for other players.
Carefull what you say, you could end up at Small Heath.
-
After a pretty shit first six months, Davies had a good first full season and until he got injured was one of our more consistent players. Unfortunately he then regressed and ultimately doesn't look worth what we paid for him.
I do think, though, if this contract clause wasn't hanging over his head he would have been considered for selection but I think that basically created a situation where the club wanted to get rid rather than contemplate paying him an extra £15k a week.
-
I feel abit sorry for Davies
People forget he played many games carrying an injured shoulder that was prone to doslocation, hardly the best thing to have to deal with when you're a centre half in the hustle and bustle of the english leagues
He needed surgery but held it off because the club needed us, then he subsequently didn't get back in the team post surgery
I'm suprised he hasn't been given a run or atleast a few games by Houllier before flogging him
I'm expecting him to be a very good acquisition for Blues, playing under Mcleish he'll show the performances and ability hes capable of showing. I have to say I am disappointed hes leaving, but on the other hand he wasn't fancied by Gerard at all so good luck to him.
-
I do think, though, if this contract clause wasn't hanging over his head he would have been considered for selection but I think that basically created a situation where the club wanted to get rid rather than contemplate paying him an extra £15k a week.
I thought this was denied by the general? Could be wrong ming.
-
he was never the same after his shoulder injury and surgery....
-
Davies was very solid next to Martin Laursen and very poor next to every other sod (such as Zat Knight). It would appear that he needs an experienced pro talking to him to get the best out of him. I do rate Roger Johnson to be fair so he might, unfortunately, do very well there. Thats 5 cast offs i make it on their books now. Laughable.
-
I know Davies devides opinion, in my opinion he isn't good enough
I would take this a step further and say that he is utter shite. Him and Beye managed to get us knocked out of Europe this season due to their shitness.
-
It's really hard to judge Curtis. He had a good reputation at WBA but basically had barely played any PL football - we paid for his potential and the odd link to Arsenal helped drive the price up. He had a bad start, then he settled down, then he snapped his Achilles tendon (at Arsenal), then, when he returned to the side, he looked great for six months alongside Laursen.
I suppose you could say most defenders would look good against Laursen. Then Laursen was out, and Davies looked rocky... then his shoulder problems started, and then... well, that was about it.
So, I really don't know how this is going to go. He could be great at Birmingham, or awful, and better suited to the Championship. The fact that O'Neill last season didn't pick him, then KMac largely overlooked him, and now GH is prepared to sell him without even giving him one game under him, suggests he's not that good after all.
Really interested to see how he does at Blues.
-
How much would we have had to pay if he had played one more league game?
-
Hope he gets the chance to rebuild his career,its a shame it's with that lot. Maybe when they get relegated,we'll get the chance to sign Johson.
-
confirmed on villa official on facebook
-
Shame somehow really. I can remember the excitement on here when he signed.
Always seemed a decent bloke, someone I wanted to succeed
Mind you, he made me as nervous as hell most of the time...
I wish he wasn't joining the inbreds as I would like to have wished him luck. As it is, I can't, of course...
-
Well we got more of a return on than Balabam I suppose. Like others a real shame as I thought he was going to be something quite special.
-
That's one serious loss on what we coughed up for him.
-
My Leicester mates didnt like the way he was always gobbing off in the papers... thought he was better than he actually was, will suit blose.....
MON made him the most expensive pub player ever...
-
Pub player joins parks team.
-
He wasn't much cop really.
-
I thought he had the potential to be good, I remember when he played against Arsenal at their place and was excellent. Oh well goodbye Curtis. what was the fee?
-
Self confessed pub player joins pub team. The end.
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season. Alongside anyone else, he felt he had to cover them too and his own game suffered. I have a really bad feeling, again, that this one will come back to ahunt us. He played 49 League games for us, and we will never oficially know the reson he never made it to 50, but i suspect it was a huge payment to Albion and a bigger percentage increase in salary.
-
Pub player joining a pub team.
-
They're absolutely infatuated with our reject players. They really want to be us.
Small time club.
-
Funny really, we moaned that MON had scouts only in the UK. It seems that lot only have scouts in Birmingham.
-
Do not sell him to a rival. Full stop .......
They're not our rivals. Spurs and Man City are our rivals.
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season.
Superb I think is a bit strong but he did play better with Laursen, like a lot of others i thought we had a ball playing centre half at last, shame it didnt work out
-
I thought Davies was playing excellently before his injury and sad to see him go to the dark side of the City, but we hve good centre halves and he was not going to play here
-
Fucking shame, what a way to go.
-
So long Curtis. I've been one of your most loyal defenders of the last year or so. Still convinced there's a top player there somewhere but I've got my work cut out with NRC at the mo so I'll leave you to it.
-
Absolutely no loss at all, we have got Baker, Carlos and Clark as more than ready replacements for our regular centre halfs!
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season. Alongside anyone else, he felt he had to cover them too and his own game suffered. I have a really bad feeling, again, that this one will come back to ahunt us. He played 49 League games for us, and we will never oficially know the reson he never made it to 50, but i suspect it was a huge payment to Albion and a bigger percentage increase in salary.
This point was once denied on here, by a representive of the board. I did not and will never beleive it !
-
£2m or whatever is about the right amount for a player who can be very good, but has an equal chance of being absolutely awful. We were stiffed good and proper when we bought him.
-
I seem to remember that before he signed for us he was being touted as the next Ferdinand and future England defender and captain.
You mean Anton?
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season. Alongside anyone else, he felt he had to cover them too and his own game suffered. I have a really bad feeling, again, that this one will come back to ahunt us. He played 49 League games for us, and we will never oficially know the reson he never made it to 50, but i suspect it was a huge payment to Albion and a bigger percentage increase in salary.
This point was once denied on here, by a representive of the board. I did not and will never beleive it !
Some of us have short memories:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1217856/Aston-Villa-manager-Martin-ONeill-miffed-Curtis-Davies-agent-comments.html
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season. Alongside anyone else, he felt he had to cover them too and his own game suffered. I have a really bad feeling, again, that this one will come back to ahunt us. He played 49 League games for us, and we will never oficially know the reson he never made it to 50, but i suspect it was a huge payment to Albion and a bigger percentage increase in salary.
This point was once denied on here, by a representive of the board. I did not and will never beleive it !
Some of us have short memories:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1217856/Aston-Villa-manager-Martin-ONeill-miffed-Curtis-Davies-agent-comments.html
Yes, I'd entirely forgotten the scatterbrained egomaniac was ever our manager.
*wink*
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season. Alongside anyone else, he felt he had to cover them too and his own game suffered. I have a really bad feeling, again, that this one will come back to ahunt us. He played 49 League games for us, and we will never oficially know the reson he never made it to 50, but i suspect it was a huge payment to Albion and a bigger percentage increase in salary.
This point was once denied on here, by a representive of the board. I did not and will never beleive it !
Some of us have short memories:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1217856/Aston-Villa-manager-Martin-ONeill-miffed-Curtis-Davies-agent-comments.html
Yes, I'd entirely forgotten the scatterbrained egomaniac was ever our manager.
*wink*
You'd have a job on here.
I found it strange that despite it (the clause in Davies' contract) being such a big story at the time, it was dismissed as a myth on here by many posters. It's a bit like Fleet Street's belief that MON had no backing from Randy.
-
I wonder what was meant by renegotiation.
Agent: "we'd like more money"
Club; "no chance'
Agent; "we're off then"
Club: "Small Heath or back to the Albion?"
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season. Alongside anyone else, he felt he had to cover them too and his own game suffered. I have a really bad feeling, again, that this one will come back to ahunt us. He played 49 League games for us, and we will never oficially know the reson he never made it to 50, but i suspect it was a huge payment to Albion and a bigger percentage increase in salary.
This point was once denied on here, by a representive of the board. I did not and will never beleive it !
Some of us have short memories:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1217856/Aston-Villa-manager-Martin-ONeill-miffed-Curtis-Davies-agent-comments.html
I've never doubted the clause didn't exist but the denial that he didn't play anymore games just to avoid the salary increase and payments to West Bromwich Albion !
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season. Alongside anyone else, he felt he had to cover them too and his own game suffered. I have a really bad feeling, again, that this one will come back to ahunt us. He played 49 League games for us, and we will never oficially know the reson he never made it to 50, but i suspect it was a huge payment to Albion and a bigger percentage increase in salary.
This point was once denied on here, by a representive of the board. I did not and will never beleive it !
Some of us have short memories:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1217856/Aston-Villa-manager-Martin-ONeill-miffed-Curtis-Davies-agent-comments.html
I've never doubted the clause didn't exist but the denial that he didn't play anymore games just to avoid the salary increase and payments to West Bromwich Albion !
Ah okay. Seems damning to me, how long he's been stuck on 58/59 games, despite the poor form/relations with the manager of some of our defenders.
-
Aston Villa in stupid contract shocker!!
-
I can't remember saying this about another Villa player recently*, but goodbye Curtis and good riddance. I blame you for single-handedly denying me of the opportunity to go on a European Tour this season. At the time, I felt the clearance for a corner rather than a throw-in was a petulant deliberate act and I haven't changed my opinion now.
I don't mind the Blose so would have preferred you went elsewhere and rotted, but I'm glad you're gone all the same.
* Oh yes, just remembered, I have: Lee Hendrie. Oh and despite all outward appearances, I'm actually in a very good mood this morning!
-
Had potential, but also just doesn't seem to have the right mentality or concentration levels for a central defender. He'll always be lower Prem/Champ quality overall, like Titus Bramble, or Anton. The ability is there but not utilized to the full, nearly enough.
Still, Agent Davies I'll wager, will do us a good few favours. I'm not too fussed at all really. We've 4 decent CB's here, as well as Baker who's always fitted in reasonably well, the few times we've seen him.
-
I think he'll probably do well at Birmingham, he's a good defender when he's on form and McLeish seems to know what he's doing on the defensive side of things. We have much better defenders at the club than him, though, so selling him on seems sensible.
Staggering to think how much we paid for him, though. £11,000,000, wasn't it? Mental, really.
-
I think he'll probably do well at Birmingham, he's a good defender when he's on form and McLeish seems to know what he's doing on the defensive side of things. We have much better defenders at the club than him, though, so selling him on seems sensible.
Staggering to think how much we paid for him, though. £11,000,000, wasn't it? Mental, really.
That's gone up quite a bit from the £8.5m that was originally reported.
-
I thought the fee was £6m plus Luke Moore or am I talking bollocks?
-
I thought the fee was £6m plus Luke Moore or am I talking bollocks?
I think you're talking bollocks ;-)
I pretty sure they were unrelated deals.
-
I think he'll probably do well at Birmingham, he's a good defender when he's on form and McLeish seems to know what he's doing on the defensive side of things. We have much better defenders at the club than him, though, so selling him on seems sensible.
Staggering to think how much we paid for him, though. £11,000,000, wasn't it? Mental, really.
That's gone up quite a bit from the £8.5m that was originally reported.
Is it? I really couldn't remember (hence the question mark). That still looks like a fair bit too much for him, though.
-
I thought the fee was £6m plus Luke Moore or am I talking bollocks?
I think you're talking bollocks ;-)
I pretty sure they were unrelated deals.
eff you ;-) although your most probably right
-
I met him once, he seemed a thoroughly nice person. I wish him well (a division or two below us)
-
I met him once, he seemed a thoroughly nice person. I wish him well (a division or two below us)
My old man met him and said the same, such a shame he will now be forever tainted with that lot from bordesley green.
-
Staggering to think how much we paid for him, though. £11,000,000, wasn't it? Mental, really.
Staggering.
I think we paid £22m for him.
Mental.
Who wants to invent a bigger figure?
-
Met him at a brmb forum with Sid( at the Warriors) , seemed a nice chap- the only thing i remember from the Q&A 's was that he was a man ure supporter and his favourite drink was water!
-
Staggering to think how much we paid for him, though. £11,000,000, wasn't it? Mental, really.
Staggering.
I think we paid £22m for him.
Mental.
Who wants to invent a bigger figure?
There's no need.
Whatever the figure was, it was too much.
-
Will always be remembered for pioneering the short-lived combined centre-half/fullback position. The look of confusion on the likes of Luke Young's face as Curtis regulary popped up playing further wide than him, must have led to a few interesting half time conversations with the ex-manager.
I make that 16m on the MON Transfer Wastertron and rising.......
-
Staggering to think how much we paid for him, though. £11,000,000, wasn't it? Mental, really.
Staggering.
I think we paid £22m for him.
Mental.
Who wants to invent a bigger figure?
Bloody hell! I already said I couldn't remember the exact figure! I have no cause or desire to artificially increase it, though.
Besides, I bet it was more like 15 million, really.....
-
Its already been said but Davies was superb with Laursen alongside him, hence starting 34 times that season. Alongside anyone else, he felt he had to cover them too and his own game suffered. I have a really bad feeling, again, that this one will come back to ahunt us. He played 49 League games for us, and we will never oficially know the reson he never made it to 50, but i suspect it was a huge payment to Albion and a bigger percentage increase in salary.
This point was once denied on here, by a representive of the board. I did not and will never beleive it !
Some of us have short memories:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1217856/Aston-Villa-manager-Martin-ONeill-miffed-Curtis-Davies-agent-comments.html
I've never doubted the clause didn't exist but the denial that he didn't play anymore games just to avoid the salary increase and payments to West Bromwich Albion !
Ah okay. Seems damning to me, how long he's been stuck on 58/59 games, despite the poor form/relations with the manager of some of our defenders.
I believe the General denied there was any such clause so it wasn't the reason why he wasn't played. From what I know (I know someone who knows Curtis and his agent very well) there was such a clause, and I refuse to believe it was just coincidence that he never got a look in once that story about the clause came out. Sure Curtis had some stinkers but it's surprising how some can't even give him credit for some superb performances alongside Laursen. I think we've dropped a bollock letting him go and I think he will go on to prove a very good player at a club that actually values him and shows him a bit of respect.
-
The word of a Villa director versus an internet conspiracy theory. Tough call.
-
He was on 49 appearances. One more game and he would be paid 25k more in wages.
Conspiracy or not, paying such an average player that much doesn't make economic sense, and it fits in with the current the wage bill reduction policy we seem to have.
-
The word of a Villa director versus an internet conspiracy theory. Tough call.
Did you used to believe everything Doug said as well? Or Bendall? You may be happy to to swallow whole everything the club says and dismiss everything that doesn't suit as conspiracy , but I'll reserve judgement based on what I know thanks.
-
The word of a Villa director versus an internet conspiracy theory. Tough call.
Did you used to believe everything Doug said as well? Or Bendall? You may be happy to to swallow whole everything the club says and dismiss everything that doesn't suit as conspiracy , but I'll reserve judgement based on what I know thanks.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/jordanmacdonald07/Fatboy_reacts.gif)
-
Over to you, Oliver Holt. Oliver? Oliver?
-
The word of a Villa director versus an internet conspiracy theory. Tough call.
Did you used to believe everything Doug said as well? Or Bendall? You may be happy to to swallow whole everything the club says and dismiss everything that doesn't suit as conspiracy , but I'll reserve judgement based on what I know thanks.
Where did this rumour of a clause come from? Show me a credible source for it and maybe I could start to think it may be true, until then I'll be inclined to believe a director of a board who have been pretty much entirely honest with us since they arrived.
-
The word of a Villa director versus an internet conspiracy theory. Tough call.
Did you used to believe everything Doug said as well? Or Bendall? You may be happy to to swallow whole everything the club says and dismiss everything that doesn't suit as conspiracy , but I'll reserve judgement based on what I know thanks.
The difference is, Doug gave us lots of reasons to be suspicious.
The current leadership have not.
-
Where did this rumour of a clause come from? Show me a credible source for it and maybe I could start to think it may be true,
Davies' agent referred to it last year in the press. O'Neill confirmed it but wasn't happy that it had been aired in public.
Although the clause only allowed for renegotiation of his contract, not a guarantee that he would be on any agreed wage.
I think.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just posting an article
Birmingham Mail (England)
October 3, 2009
O'Neill fury at Curtis pay talk; Boss blasts Curtis camp.
Byline: Mat Kendrick
MARTIN O'Neill has angrily blasted the Curtis Davies camp for trying to hold Villa to ransom by issuing a "pay-up or he's off" ultimatum.
O'Neill is furious at stories that Davies will consider his futureat the club if they fail to award him a bumper new contract in January.
Davies has played 58 games for O'Neill's team and needs to make two more appearances to activate a clause to discuss an improved deal.
But talks have been delayed because he is currently sidelined following surgery after playing through the pain barrier with a shoulder problem.
Reports quoting the player's agent suggest that Davies feels he deserves the doubleyour-money deal now after putting his body on the line.
The former Albion defender, whose current contract runs until 2012, is believed to be on about pounds 25,000 per week but wants nearer pounds 50,000.
But O'Neill is upset that Davies's representatives have chosen to go public with his concerns and the threat that he could consider hisfuture.
And the Villa boss emphasised that the 24-year-old was left out against Fulham last month because of injury and not for financial reasons.
"I always thought that it was private information with a contract but if the agent of a player chooses to divulge them, then that's entirely up to them," said O'Neill.
"He's due a renegotiation of a contract if he plays 60 games.
"I don't really want to bring this into the public domain, but I think that we've pretty well looked after players here at this football club - both injured players and players who have done very well forthe club. We had some conversations with the agent and really, at the end of it all, the agent knows where we stand and what we were looking at. "He has chosen now to come out and tell these things and that's entirely up to him. "The fact is I do not deny that the stipulation in his contract is an X number of games which is 60. "I didn't knowthat at the time until the agent reminded me. "That is not the reason that I did not play himin the game against Fulham. I was very pleased that he had played some matches, when really he probably wasn't completely fit - in the sense that it was psychological, if not physical, that it might come out at any given stage again.
"So from that viewpoint we're grateful. But all of those things are taken into consideration when eventually we sit down and decide to do it, naturally. "There are guidelines, but this idea that he is considering his future, I'm not so sure that that's the brightest thing that an agent and a player whose controlling his agent should be saying." O'Neill expects Steve Sidwell to be available for Monday's clashwith Man City after overcoming a thigh strain he picked up before the Carling Cup win over Cardiff. "Steve trained on Friday," he added. "I don't think he has had any ill-effects. He is making good progress."
-
The word of a Villa director versus an internet conspiracy theory. Tough call.
Did you used to believe everything Doug said as well? Or Bendall? You may be happy to to swallow whole everything the club says and dismiss everything that doesn't suit as conspiracy , but I'll reserve judgement based on what I know thanks.
No-one has ever denied that the clause existed. The question concerned whether Davies wasn't picked because of it. The general stated that this wasn't the case.
When someone gives a straight answer to a direct question you either accept they're telling the truth or you call them a liar. Too many people are too willing to shout "liar" when they get an answer that doesn't fit their theory.
-
Cheerio Curtis.
He once famously said that he had performed like a pub player.
Now we know just how seriously he meant that as a career choice.
-
Any more of our cast offs & they will have to change their name to Small Heath All-lions :-)
-
Any more of our cast offs & they will have to change their name to Small Heath All-lions :-)
Very good.
-
SHA have now emailed the press to correct them.
They have paid £4m for Curtis Davies.