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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Diablo67 on January 18, 2011, 10:42:47 AM
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Does anyone else think that we should be buying one player for this kind of money?
Surely we would be better off if we were to bring in 3 or 4 players ........ if the "star player" get injured....there is no back up..... buying sensibly is definitely the way forward.
Bent is good but is that overinflated price really worth it..... I doubt it.
Does anyone else agree..........thoughts please
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yes we should buy bent, and spend the necessary money.
This is the point that Collymore missed on Talkshite last night.
You COULD buy 3 decent players for £18M.
BUT 3 decent players will all be on 50K per week each.
DB will be on 80K - reportedly.
Thats a difference of 70k per week over £3.6 million per year.
£3.6 million per year over an average of a 3 year contarct = £10.8 million JUST ON wages.
Its also what MON failed to understand I guess.
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As long as it's not all of our budget, then I guess so.
And apparently there is money left for Adam and a left back.
So there you go.
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1. Does anyone else think that we should be buying one player for this kind of money?
2. Bent is good but is that overinflated price really worth it..... I doubt it.
3. Does anyone else agree..........thoughts please
1. Yes
2. Yes - 25 goals a season would be well worth it.
3. No
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If the player is good enough then yes.
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Bent has the ability, experience and quality of striker that we've required for thirty years.
The price is almost irrelevant.
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If he continues to score goals at the same ratio as he has over the last 6 years then yes. It's always a gamble but this one has a better chance of success than some of the other journeymen we've spent good money over the last few years
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We've already signed Makoun and Walker on loan.
Plus the signs are that one or two more could be added after the Bent signing.
If all our money was going on Bent i'd be inclined to agree with the op.
But its not, so I don't.
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Fuck yeah
About time
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IF he ends up costing £24Million surely he will have hit all the add on clauses which will include minimuim goals / appearences, international call ups and possibly getting us into Europe. All these targets hit, then it is money well spent!
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I think it will turn this January window into an interesting one. Once the £18 to £24 mill starts circulating I can see a few players moving between clubs.
And to answer your question, yes.
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When he goes a couple of games without a goal he'll be a £24M player.
When he scores 10 in 12 he'll be a £18M player.
Wonder what these £6M clauses are ?.
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Doug has a lot to answer for.
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As we got more than £24 million for one player who cost us £12 million and isn't an out and out striker then, spending £24 million on one who is and who is very much needed and has been for over 15 years, that £24 million is money well spent.
It's been long overdue.
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Wonder what these £6M clauses are ?.
Not shirt sales that's for sure
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Yes we should be. There's too much ridiculous money in the Premiership, but I've come to the conclusion that anyone serious about competing at the top end is unfortuantely going to have to pay for it. Our present strikers are pretty average, and Bent is (sorry, would be!) a cracking buy!
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If we pay £24m then that means all of the 'Villa are doing brilliantly' bonuses have kicked in, so yes he's worth it. What the Villa world doesn't need right now are 3 more Sidwells, all on top dollar wages.
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Two things:-
1. Despite where we are in the league right now, the sides we were challenging, and hopt to be again soon, would do this so so should we.
2. It's a position we have cover in, so if bent did get injured we wouldn't exactly be stuck playing Gabby/Heskey/the Fonz.
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Yes.
One class player to make the difference, rather than three players costing £8m and all earning £60K a week.
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Yes.
One class player to make the difference, rather than three players costing £8m and all earning £60K a week.
You've pretty much described O'Neill's transfer policy.
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Yes.
One class player to make the difference, rather than three players costing £8m and all earning £60K a week.
You've pretty much described O'Neill's transfer policy.
One for starters, two for the bench.
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Should we spend big money on 1 player?
Yes without a doubt
For too long we were tatting about with players in the 4 - 7 million range and for the most part they have been shit.
A big marquee signing is what we need, it shows our intentions
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Yes.
One class player to make the difference, rather than three players costing £8m and all earning £60K a week.
You've pretty much described O'Neill's transfer policy.
One for starters, two for the bench.
More like one for starters and two to ignore and act as if they don't exist.
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We should be under no illusions, we will be lucky to get 3 points out of 9 with our next three fixtures, due to the way we have been playing.
Once you are down there it is even harder to get out of it, January could leave us stranded! even if we have a decent run in to April.
By bringing a natural goalscorer in we will add firepower to a team who seem to lack ideas around the 18 yard box, I personally wouldn't pay more than 12 mill but in terms of money saved by avoiding relegation then paying over the odds will save Mr Lerner lots of pennies in the long term.
No pressuer then for Mr Bent if or when he signs.....
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He is going to be worth it.Am I right in saying only Drogba and Rooney have scored more goals since 2005,he's the kind of player we need,be nice to walk out of Villa Park with a smile on my face rather than a scowl.
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He is going to be worth it.Am I right in saying only Drogba and Rooney have scored more goals since 2005,he's the kind of player we need,be nice to walk out of Villa Park with a smile on my face rather than a scowl.
You are indeed ccrrect
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He is going to be worth it.Am I right in saying only Drogba and Rooney have scored more goals since 2005,he's the kind of player we need,be nice to walk out of Villa Park with a smile on my face rather than a scowl.
You are indeed ccrrect
Well that's an endorsement right away,you get the feeling that when were involved in big games like Man U in the Carling Cup Final Bent is the kind of player that can make a difference and give us the belief we can at the very least compete!
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Bent is far too expensive for my liking and I reckon the £10m or so Sunderland paid for him is about the right price, but at least he has proven that he can score goals at this level for Sunderland and Charlton (I can't remember his record at Spurs), neither of whom were great teams. I have felt for a while that he would be a decent fit for us, especially with the number of balls we sling into the box, so let's hope he comes to us asap.
One potential problem I see is that the £18m - 24m price tag can be an incredible burden on a player when they are out of form and lacking confidence (look at those Birtles and Davenport acquisitions Man U made in the 70s and 80s and our own dear SVC), and I think fans of any club are less forgiving of the big buys - "he's only here for the money", "he doesn't care about the club" etc. And if my memory serves me well our history of very expensive signings is not overburdened with success. If he comes I really hope he gets off to a flying start to avoid that type of pressure building up.
I must admit when I knew that GH would be dipping into the transfer market I expected more unexpected Makouns than Bents, so top marks to him for keeping me on my toes....
I do wish we could hack into Harry's top secret address book of agents, though - £18m plus in a season when Van de Vaart cost £7m is absolutely crazy.
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Yes. And about time too.
We always do well with a great Centre forward/striker. Pongo, Hitchens, even Lochhead, Dwight, Andy Grey and so on.
Let's just hope GH can make this work. No sarcasm I really hope he can get this club jumping.
Well done Randy and all concerned. Maybe, just maybe the Villa are back!
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Hey....I only wondered ;o)
Guess I am in a minority.
As I said, Bent is a good player........but £18-24M........doubt it.........really hope I'm wrong if we get him and we go back to our rightful place as the best team in the midlands.
Would also like to see Benzema come to us too
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Harry struck lucky with Van de Vaart at £8m.At the moment all the talk is about Bent's price,but let's see what other clubs pay for players,don't forget Liverpool paid £20m for Robbie Keane not so long back.We're getting Bent in the prime of his career.
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I do wish we could hack into Harry's top secret address book of agents, though - £18m plus in a season when Van de Vaart cost £7m is absolutely crazy.
Not sure of VDV's exact circumstances, as in length of contract remaining, when Spurs signed him, but he's the sort of signing you need CL football for, so never an option for us.
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Whether it actually ends up being £24m - it's probably all tied up in add-ons that include us getting into the Champions League, Bent scoring a certain amount of goals, etc so in effect the add-ons pay for themselves if triggered - is in doubt. But I'd say yes, it's worth going the extra few million to get someone who could well be the real deal. As others have said, we could spend the same on a few players; we could get Kevin Doyle for £8m, Robbie Keane for £6m but combined they perhaps wouldn't score as many as Bent can.
We've always shied away from this kind of signing before. Why not go for it?
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Bent would eventually cost Sunderland £16m by all accounts. As if you can get a top goal scorer for £10m-£12m.
Not with his record you cant.
If you want this level of player, you have to pay. We have and its great news.
He's not a miracle worker but he'll be very very effective for us in the rawest terms.
Goals, he scores them, they win matches, wins means points, points mean prizes.
No brainer.
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Even when you've got a full class it's half empty, isn't it?
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I will never understand us Villa supporters – known to all my non Villa mates as the most negative supporters in the land.
We moan that not enough money is being spent – then when we try to spend some up comes the ‘is it too much’ thread
We moan at MON’s philosophy of buying mediocre bench (if they are lucky) warmers, then question buying some class with statements like we could buy 3 or 4 players for that.
OK, I am not advocating we go down the Man City route, but we need to spend in order to improve.
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Bullshit.
If we sign Bent, our safety is assured.
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Firstly, it's £18m not £24m
secondly, if Bent gets the goals that keep us in the Prem for the next 3 to 4 years he'll be worth every penny
Great signing, great bit of business, we've needed a top class striker for over a decade
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Incredibly negative post, what is your problem
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Blimey. Cheer up mate. I think you would have to admit that we have a better chance of staying up with the third most prolific striker in the prem, over some years. AND DB was not playing with top players around him like Drogba or Rooney.
Furthermore if we did go down and had bought mediocre players instead we would be quick to have a go at GH and RL wouldn't we? Ambition anyone?
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Most negative post ever,can't you get on the wave of optimism?
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Yes we should and we must stop buying limited players. Only buy quality from now on.
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Damned if we do damned if we don't.
Crazy.
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Bollocks!
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A panic buy is Chris Boyd on the 31st of January,Bent is being acquired in plenty of time,no work permit required and while Heskey is on a ban.
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Firstly, it's £18m not £24m
secondly, if Bent gets the goals that keep us in the Prem for the next 3 to 4 years he'll be worth every penny
Great signing, great bit of business, we've needed a top class striker for over a decade
Christ. Talk about lowering of expectations.
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I think our ambitions are a bit loftier than staying in the league to be perfectly obvious.
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Relegation would cost the club £40m - £50m
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I'm hoping that this season is similar to when Sir Brian took over. Bit of a damp squib to start with, but an influx of new players, a new way of playing and what followed were two glorious seasons.
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May end in tears
May will indeed end in tears ..........tears of FA CUP FINAL JOY for Lucky Eddie & co.
My glass is never half full and never half empty. Its always a work in progress with the next glass close behind.
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They are raising the cash already according to this email I had sent me from Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230575132513&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123
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I think it will be worth it we have needed a signing like Darren Bent to show the rest we are serious about where we wan't to go like other people have said on here i would rather pay the money for Darren Bent than buy three players for 50 grand a week a la Sidwell and throwing the money down the drain like we have done in the past.
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I assume the hold up is him negotiating a relegation release clause. ;)
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One of the top ten Premiership transfers of all time. Only Manu, Chelsea and Manc have spent more on a player.
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Personally i think the fee is madness, but then i've been on here moaning about buying a striker for the last 4 years so it would be churlish to complain really.
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Should we spend big money on 1 player?
Yes without a doubt
For too long we were tatting about with players in the 4 - 7 million range and for the most part they have been shit.
A big Should we spend big money on 1 player?
Yes without a doubt
For too long we were tatting about with players in the 4 - 7 million range and for the most part they have been shit.
A big marquee signing is what we need, it shows our intentions
Without wishing to step on anyone else's turf, I think you mean marque, meaning 'brand' and not 'Marquee' meaning large tent.
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I'm hoping that this season is similar to when Sir Brian took over. Bit of a damp squib to start with, but an influx of new players, a new way of playing and what followed were two glorious seasons.
You know, I was thinking something similar last night. Struggled to get a hold of the side at first, but then got backing from the chairman and went on our largest ever spending spree (Savo, Draper and Southgate). Difference here is doing the shopping in Jan as opposed to the summer, but then that's probably because of the transfer window system.
It's a lot for Gezza to live up to, though!
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Does anyone else think that we should be buying one player for this kind of money?
Surely we would be better off if we were to bring in 3 or 4 players ........ if the "star player" get injured....there is no back up..... buying sensibly is definitely the way forward.
Bent is good but is that overinflated price really worth it..... I doubt it.
Does anyone else agree..........thoughts please
Sorry mate can't agree with that. That is straight out of the MON school of transfers - buy 3 average players for £6m each, find out they're not quite good enough so buy 3 more the next transfer window for the same price and the same positions (e.g. perm any 3 from L.Young, Shorey, Davies, Cuellar, Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Sidwell et al - not all poor but not all good). At the minute we are creating chances but not putting them away. We need a tried and tested PL goal scorer to get us up the table this year and to get back where we need to be next year. The fee for Bent is probably over inflated but that's the deal if you buy within the PL - and we probably got a similarly over inflated fee for Milner.
Over inflated or not, worth every penny in my book if it keeps us up.
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It's about time Aston Villa and, by association, the City of Birmingham did something like this. It has always puzzled me how, over the years, clubs from Manchester and Liverpool could think big yet clubs from the Second City couldn't. I hope it's a statement of intent.
One thing's for certain, it has got the cockney media scratching their heads...they just can't seem to get a handle on Aston Villa Football Club, and they certainly seem unable to get a handle on Randy. This is totally going against their script and world view: boring Brummies and mediocrity go hand in hand.
Let's set the cat among the pigeons and sign Benzema in the summer!
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Yes its a shit load of money, probably paid over the odds BUT, like many on here,its about time we had a proven goalscorer and even 20 goals a season will help. I think the signing is brave , ballsy,and fair play to Randy, he could see what we needed and dug deep.
Look at all the deadwood MON bought in that we can barely give away now, or get a third of what we paid for them. Can't wait to see him in action....COME ON !!!!!
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Over inflated or not, worth every penny in my book if it keeps us up.
Agree; £24m is half what we'd lose if we dropped out of the league.
Also, the fee is being paid in installments, as most large deals are, I believe. So we'll be able to budget accordingly over the course of the payments, it's a certain £m now (financed by outgoing transfers), then it might be £5m (for example) spent in the summer, taken from the summer transfer budget, and so on. GH will have £5m less to spend in the summer because of it, but it's worth it to get this quality of player in now - when we need him most.
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Im sure this stat has been bandied about all over the shop but in the last 5 years in the PL:
82 goals - Drogba, Rooney
81 goals - Bent
I think that says it all. Throw in the fact he played for Charlton, Sunderland (rarely give teams a hiding) and sat on Spurs bench for a lot of this time shows he is a goal machine.
Perhaps it's a year too late. If we had his goals last year we would have finished 4th comfortably enough.
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Here's a scenario, you're stuck in a room with Black Country Villa. There is one gun, one bullet. What do you do?
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Here's a scenario, you're stuck in a room with Black Country Villa. There is one gun, one bullet. What do you do?
Shoot the lock on the door and peg it...?
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We are in need of a striker. What should the club do?
(a) Back the manager with sufficient funds to get a man with a proven scoring record.
(b) Not do (a).
Seems to me if the player is available, wants to come to us and we can afford it we'd be stupid not to do it.
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Here's a scenario, you're stuck in a room with Black Country Villa. There is one gun, one bullet. What do you do?
Phone up pmk1981 for a game of Russian Roulette?
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Does anyone else think that we should be buying one player for this kind of money?
Surely we would be better off if we were to bring in 3 or 4 players ........ if the "star player" get injured....there is no back up..... buying sensibly is definitely the way forward.
Bent is good but is that overinflated price really worth it..... I doubt it.
Does anyone else agree..........thoughts please
No doubt this will be a story in one of the tabloids within the next day or so: 'Villa fans upset at mega-bucks Bent deal'.
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Does anyone else think that we should be buying one player for this kind of money?
Only if you're sure that this is the player is going to make all the difference to your team, bearing in mind the squad with which he's going to have to work. Darren Bent is not that player.
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Does anyone else think that we should be buying one player for this kind of money?
Only if you're sure that this is the player is going to make all the difference to your team, bearing in mind the squad with which he's going to have to work. Darren Bent is not that player.
Please tell me you're just on a wind up mission
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We've needed a forward for God knows how long.
We look like we've secured the signing of an England international, a bloke with the third highest goalscoring record in the topflight over the past five years, and at 26 still has his best years ahead of him.
If not Bent, then who?
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If not Bent, then who?
Still say we should have gone for Jermaine Beckford..... 8)
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John M's at it again, I see.
I miss Coopers Head Injury. In a way.
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Yes absolutley right to spend this on one player rather than 2-3 middle of the road players - we have a squad full of them , this is the signing that puts bums on seats smiles on faces and gives all the players a lift
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£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
Here's a scenario, you're stuck in a room with Black Country Villa. There is one gun, one bullet. What do you do?
Assuming you mean levico and Black Country Villa.
Myself, I think.
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spend as much as they like, it aint costing me anything.
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We have needed a striker like Bent for soooooooo long! When we sell on Petrov, NRC, Warnock, Ireland, Heskey, Beye, Davies and either Downing/AY, we not only get the transfer fees but about another £12m per year in saved wages. We can afford the gamble on this one. We cannot afford not too!
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IMHO we have needed a big signing since the loss of Milner, the money has been there and with the bizarre circumstances of this season DB could be just what we needed to get us back on track. He is a proven goalscorer that could potentially give us 20+ league goals a season, which is something we haven't had since Yorke/Withe/Shaw.
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Too late to go back now, I guess we are stuck with him!
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Ignoring the add on's (they will pay for themselves if the targets are hit), £18 million is a lot of money. But forgetting relegation, each place in the prem is worth about £900k? If his goals help get us from 17th to 10th(ish), that in itself is worth £7 million. Add in the fact that getting on the end of Youngs, Downings and Albrightons crosses suddenly raises thier profile (and therefore value). Players are always more expensive in a successful side (ashley young being a prime example...world beater when we were 6th, over rated apparantly now).
It depends which way you want to look at it. £18 million for a proven premier goalscorer? Hell yes...it's worth every penny. There's no guarantee that he will score goals, but you have a better chance with him than a £6 million Keane or a £7 million unknown Zigic, or even both.
Price comparsions are futile...forwards cost more, they nearly always do, contract lengths left differ. It's needs vs demand. He can hit the ground running and he's just what WE need, never mind what other clubs need.
We could have signed Owen Hargreaves for £18 million !!! Balotelli cost how much? And lets see how Dzeko for £24 million gets on....all unproven in this league....
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Spread ovet the length of his contract it's four places a season.
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Exactly. Looks a snip when you look at it long term....not that many journo's or other fans will. Great signing and good deal all round...
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when MON said we dont need a marquee signing, even though I was a MONn supporter ('was' being the operative word) I said at the time he was wrong.
A marquee signing was exactly what was needed and we never did it.
As Graham Taylor says on bbc tinternet this morning, 'goals come with a price tag and this boy scores goals'.
So its a yes, yes, yes from me.
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To answer the OP. Yes. Definitely yes. It's about time we joined the big league when it comes to transfers. In fact, I'll go further and say that I'm GLAD that he cost 24mil. If we had picked him up for 7 mil then it wouldn't have had the same effect amongst the fans, the positivity at making a big signing etc. We needed to spend big on a player almost as much as we needed the player himself IMHO, if anything, to send a clear message out to our rivals/detractors/players.
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We have needed a striker like Bent for soooooooo long! When we sell on Petrov, NRC, Warnock, Ireland, Heskey, Beye, Davies and either Downing/AY, we not only get the transfer fees but about another £12m per year in saved wages. We can afford the gamble on this one. We cannot afford not too!
Did you see the PC yesterday? Ash and Downing are not for sale!
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Has it been mentioned anywhere what the clauses are that would take the fee to £24M.
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Has it been mentioned anywhere what the clauses are that would take the fee to £24M.
If you are pro the deal its 18 mill, if not its nice to accentuate the 24 mill
As Houllier pointed out only Rooney and Drogba have scored more goals in the Prem over the last 5 years, 1 more in fact, so he should succeed with the number of players we have creating chances.
He might also free up more chances for the likes of the others too.
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I'm not worried about the size of the fee, I just wondered how it could reach the full price.
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Has it been mentioned anywhere what the clauses are that would take the fee to £24M.
I did hear somewhere yesterday that one is an extra £1.5m if we stay up.
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Has it been mentioned anywhere what the clauses are that would take the fee to £24M.
If you are pro the deal its 18 mill, if not its nice to accentuate the 24 mill
As Houllier pointed out only Rooney and Drogba have scored more goals in the Prem over the last 5 years, 1 more in fact, so he should succeed with the number of players we have creating chances.
He might also free up more chances for the likes of the others too.
Part of the "extra" money is not being relegated. And part is if Bent becomes part of the England set up .......
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It is a yes from me aswell,
but only if our defence can get back to being as tight as we used to be and stop letting in silly late goals that have cost us vital points this season, Whats the point of Bent knocking them in at one end if we can't stop them going in at the other,,
while i am on here can i be the first,,,,
"Super, super Daz"
"Super, super Daz"
"super Darren Bent"
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we bought milner for 12million
we sold Milner for 26million
we bought Ireland for 8milliion
we bought Bent for 18 million
so even if you add the 6 million add ons we have paid 18 million for Bent and Ireland!
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As good as Milner was for us, we've in effect traded him for a proven Premier League goalscorer who's still only 26.
I think it's a great bit of business personally.
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As good as Milner was for us, we've in effect traded him for a proven Premier League goalscorer who's still only 26.
I think it's a great bit of business personally.
I'd still have Jimmy back tommorow
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As good as Milner was for us, we've in effect traded him for a proven Premier League goalscorer who's still only 26.
I think it's a great bit of business personally.
Not true. We also got a mental bald man as well.
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It is Wednesday night - only a few days since we were dragged down to the level of that bunch of vagrants in Small Heath.
That now feels like months ago as we are now splitting hairs about a £20 million plus transfer and they are bleating about scrappy little deals they can't do.
We have spent the money because we can afford to! Others can't...
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should we really be spending £24million on one player??
Given the league situation, can the club now afford not to?
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Never mind is Bent worth the money, why do some people put loads of full stops (................) between sentences? Surely it takes less time to just insert a single one?
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Way too much talk about staying up/avoiding relegation. We are only 9 points away from 6th place this season you muppets. There's half a season to go yet, or in our case the season is just starting. If this was Evertoffee you would expect them to come with a fantastic second half to the season. Come on. Get behind Hoolahoop and support the Phoenix like rise up the table.
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A Sunderland fan has just been on talksport, he said Niall Quinn was on local radio and said we paid MORE than 24 million for Bent.
I hope the General will tell us The truth when he returns!
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A Sunderland fan has just been on talksport, he said Niall Quinn was on local radio and said we paid MORE than 24 million for Bent.
I hope the General will tell us The truth when he returns!
It wasn't local radio, it was a tv interview in Ireland, which I saw on youtube, and he said "a bit more than that" when the interviewer said "18m"
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If it was in Ireland, maybe the interview was in Irish Euros, in which case it would be more than 18million squid
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Looking at the buzz around the club since the signing, I only hope we do this kind of thing in future summer transfer windows: the spin off effects in terms of season tickets and kit sales make it the classic no brainer.
I think Villa have long needed to make a statement like this and the publicity from doing this kind of business is worth its weight in gold. Agents, news agencies and hacks from all over the football world will take note of this. All being well, future quality transfer targets will have heard about this too.
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A Sunderland fan has just been on talksport, he said Niall Quinn was on local radio and said we paid MORE than 24 million for Bent.
I hope the General will tell us The truth when he returns!
It wasn't local radio, it was a tv interview in Ireland, which I saw on youtube, and he said "a bit more than that" when the interviewer said "18m"
Cheers for clearing that up, it is winding me up the fct the media keep saying 24 million fee, an agent was on radio earlier and said it's very unlikely it will reach that amount.
We have paid 18 million that could possibly rise.
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I hope we do well enough to trigger the add ons and that we end up paying the full £24m.
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I hope Doug's ticker was alright when he heard the Bent news... ;-)
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YES
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Should we be spending £24 million on Bent? After all, we could have bought McGeady and Keane for £24million.
Argument won.
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It's the price of fish.
Relegation would cost us £46m , his goals pretty much guarantee that wont happen now.Yet i fancy that Makoun could turn out to be good value.
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Its definately a yes from me.Not just that his goals have effectively kept us up, but we now have a forward we can believe in again, a forward who when he gets the ball you think, we got a chance here. You know he is going to get 20 a season and with that,it breeds confidence throughout the team.
Ironically enough,just as we finally get a proven goal scorer after so many years, last seasons reliable defence suddenly falls to pieces.
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Most important signing we have made since Lerner came in, and easily repaid the fee already.
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Look how twoi of the players Spam bought in on loan, that we were heavily linked with, have fared. One missed an absolute sitter at the weekend the other has been woefull at full back. Buying other clubs rejects seldom pays off.
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A timely revival of an old thread. Looking back the majority backed the signing at the time but there are always a few doom merchants.
For example:-
£24m - all seems a bit desperate to me. May end in tears - still relegated and no money left.
I know its been a horrible season and we crawled over the line but when we are 100% mathematically safe we should have a cruel thread quoting all the really over the top merchants of doom during the season.
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Two against the Arse and an inevitable hatrick againsy Liverpool and the debate is well and truly over. We do need someone else up there however, if Bent picks up an injury for 5/6 games we don't want to be a one trick pony.
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Considering the state of our finances if the Bent move had not worked out and we went down, then the club truly could have been facing a Leeds.
The gamble paid off thankfully but of course the Villa board would have to be questioned re the state of the club accounts and an awful managerial appointment.
Things should be better on the finance front with big earners exiting and with a new manager on board things will improve on the playing front too.
In light of the Carroll, Torres, Suarez signings Bent is great value at that price. He will outscore the three of them next season I reckon.
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Look how twoi of the players Spam bought in on loan, that we were heavily linked with, have fared. One missed an absolute sitter at the weekend the other has been woefull at full back. Buying other clubs rejects seldom pays off.
Bit selective there, Demba Ba scored seven goals. The buying other club rejects has been disproved countless times. Diego Forlan comes to mind straight off.
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Its definately a yes from me.
Good timing Gazza. Do you normally wait for rain to start and than tell people it's wet outside?
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I can't believe MON didn't sign him.
If he'd done it in 2009 when he went to Sunderland I reckon we'd have nicked 4th last season so that investment would've been even more beneficial than just staying up with the european money.
In an MON team where the ball was played long a bit more and the set pieces were more effective, Bent would've scored shed loads, even more so as he'd have been playing alongisde a partner like with Jones at Sunderland who we worked well with.
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I can't believe MON didn't sign him.
If he'd done it in 2009 when he went to Sunderland I reckon we'd have nicked 4th last season so that investment would've been even more beneficial than just staying up with the european money.
In an MON team where the ball was played long a bit more and the set pieces were more effective, Bent would've scored shed loads, even more so as he'd have been playing alongisde a partner like with Jones at Sunderland who we worked well with.
Totally agree.
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I said at the time (and I still think it holds) that it's probably wrong to assume that had ourselves and Sunderland both been in for him in 2009 he'd have automatically come here.
Yes, most neutrals would have seen us as the more attractive option. But the most important thing to him at that stage was regular first team football. Sunderland could virtually guarantee him that, ourselves with a forward triumvirate already made up of two England internationals and John Carew possibly couldn't.
Being the main man up there for 18 months ultimately benefited his career and we're reaping the rewards of that now.
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i'm thinking..........yes.
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YES!!
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If the championship playoff is a £90m game, and his goals have kept us up I make us £66m in profit.
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Only if you're sure that this is the player is going to make all the difference to your team, bearing in mind the squad with which he's going to have to work. Darren Bent is not that player.
I knew there was a post on this thread that would come back to bite someone. Remarkably prescient.
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Remember the mad woman on the local news when we signed him? Saying it was too much and we should have signed Kenny Miller instead. Ha, ha.
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Only if you're sure that this is the player is going to make all the difference to your team, bearing in mind the squad with which he's going to have to work. Darren Bent is not that player.
I knew there was a post on this thread that would come back to bite someone. Remarkably prescient.
The perils of the internet, your words writ large for any malevolent bastard to throw back in your face...good work that man!
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I'd say it was probably worth the money, yes. However, I can't help but feel that if we'd have signed Kenny Miller we'd probably be in Europe next season.
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I'd say it was probably worth the money, yes. However, I can't help but feel that if we'd have signed Kenny Miller we'd probably be in Europe next season.
The only European adventure we'd experience by signing Kenny Miller would be a mid-season bonding trip to La Manga.
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Sign this man up as director of football.......
for small heath.