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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: russon on January 15, 2011, 10:16:56 AM
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A West Ham win and a Wigan draw today and we're bottom of the league before facing Blues tomorrow. Just thought I'd leave that with you to cheer up this dank, grey day we're having. When were we last bottom of the league by the way?
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1986-87?
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Not a great thought is it? Was it the start of the 97/98 season we were last bottom? Also, when was the last time anyone was bottom of the league this late in the season and ended up surviving?
Edit: West Brom went into the last day of the 2004/5 season bottom of the league.
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A West Ham win and a Wigan draw today and we're bottom of the league before facing Blues tomorrow. Just thought I'd leave that with you to cheer up this dank, grey day we're having. When were we last bottom of the league by the way?
I've been thinking this all week, it's very worrying. Still, at least we're not 6th, that's a crap position that anyone can get apparently.......
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It's where we finish at the end of the season that counts not tonight.
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How very depressing
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Good shout John and West ham are playing Arsenal so chances of a win are slim. Stay positive.
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A West Ham win and a Wigan draw today and we're bottom of the league before facing Blues tomorrow. Just thought I'd leave that with you to cheer up this dank, grey day we're having. When were we last bottom of the league by the way?
I've been thinking this all week, it's very worrying. Still, at least we're not 6th, that's a crap position that anyone can get apparently.......
Don't be pathetic. We didn't sing for MON to go, he left so get over it.
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Last time England won the Ashes in Australia Villa were relegated!!
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A West Ham win and a Wigan draw today and we're bottom of the league before facing Blues tomorrow. Just thought I'd leave that with you to cheer up this dank, grey day we're having. When were we last bottom of the league by the way?
I've been thinking this all week, it's very worrying. Still, at least we're not 6th, that's a crap position that anyone can get apparently.......
Don't be pathetic. We didn't sing for MON to go, he left so get over it.
I am actually responding in jest to previous comments.
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A West Ham win and a Wigan draw today and we're bottom of the league before facing Blues tomorrow. Just thought I'd leave that with you to cheer up this dank, grey day we're having. When were we last bottom of the league by the way?
Not if Wolves lose 2-0
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A sobering thought !!
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What's even scarier is a defeat tomorrow and we could be bottom with the two Manchester teams to play.....
This season has definately not been for the faint hearted, a loss tomorrow could be one of the nails in the coffin as far as morale goes???
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Last time England won the Ashes in Australia Villa were relegated!!
Last time we were relegated we had more points on the board at this stage of the season. I'm going for a bath someone pass me the toaster. :'(
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Last time England won the Ashes in Australia Villa were relegated!!
Last time we were relegated we had more points on the board at this stage of the season. I'm going for a bath someone pass me the toaster. :'(
It's weird though, that season we knew we were going to go, as pessimistic as I usually am there isn't the same feeling around the place, although that's probably because in the 80's everything was fucking depressing.
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Fair enough @ Holtenderinthesky
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Last time England won the Ashes in Australia Villa were relegated!!
Last time we were relegated we had more points on the board at this stage of the season. I'm going for a bath someone pass me the toaster. :'(
It's weird though, that season we knew we were going to go, as pessimistic as I usually am there isn't the same feeling around the place, although that's probably because in the 80's everything was fucking depressing.
Didnt a very good team win the 1st division in 1981 and then win the European cup the following year?..... not all depressing
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Last time England won the Ashes in Australia Villa were relegated!!
Last time we were relegated we had more points on the board at this stage of the season. I'm going for a bath someone pass me the toaster. :'(
Yeah but was the league as tight as it is now at the time? A win at the sty would put us 14th or so, that probably wouldn't have been the case then.
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Last time England won the Ashes in Australia Villa were relegated!!
I know what you mean, I just found the 80's extremely depressing. Even though we won the league some of the empty spaces at VP proved that even success just isn't enough sometimes.
Last time we were relegated we had more points on the board at this stage of the season. I'm going for a bath someone pass me the toaster. :'(
It's weird though, that season we knew we were going to go, as pessimistic as I usually am there isn't the same feeling around the place, although that's probably because in the 80's everything was fucking depressing.
Didnt a very good team win the 1st division in 1981 and then win the European cup the following year?..... not all depressing
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Long way to go yet.
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It's where we finish at the end of the season that counts not tonight.
Thats my sentiments exactly but it does make for uncomfortable reading seeing us in the bottom three.
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So negative.
We could be out of the bottom three by tonight.
If West Ham draw or lose v Arsenal - very possible, Wigan lose to Fulham (less likely but very possible) and Wolves lose 2-0 to Man City (very, very possible) we'll be out of the zone and ready to destroy Blues (very, very likely as I want it to happen!),
Stay strong and positive.
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What's even scarier is a defeat tomorrow and we could be bottom with the two Manchester teams to play.....
This season has definately not been for the faint hearted, a loss tomorrow could be one of the nails in the coffin as far as morale goes???
Last time England won the Ashes in Australia Villa were relegated!!
Last time we were relegated we had more points on the board at this stage of the season. I'm going for a bath someone pass me the toaster. :'(
It's weird though, that season we knew we were going to go,
That's how I feel now. Last time we were bottom 3, I was telling anybody who'd listen that if we bought Solano and Izzet in January we'd finish fourth. We only bought Nobby and finished 3 or 4 points off. This time I think we're fucked. That said, signing Adam would be a huge boost.
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Last time I shagged a Spanish bird in a German hotel room Villa were relegated.
You'll be pleased to know that this is not a likely occurrence this year.
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Last two clubs who sold Milner were relegated.
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You auditioning for the part of Senna in the Up Pompeii remake Percy?
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You auditioning for the part of Senna in the Up Pompeii remake Percy?
Don't know the reference, sorry, but I think I get you. I'm not optimistic at the moment. Funny though that some of the posters who have been moaning for the last four years seem happier now.
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You auditioning for the part of Senna in the Up Pompeii remake Percy?
Don't know the reference, sorry, but I think I get you. I'm not optimistic at the moment. Funny though that some of the posters who have been moaning for the last four years seem happier now.
I'm having serious reservations (Reeves and Mortimer 'The club') about Houllier.
But now Makoun is signed there is no turning back, if we lose every game he'll be staying.
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You auditioning for the part of Senna in the Up Pompeii remake Percy?
Don't know the reference, sorry, but I think I get you. I'm not optimistic at the moment. Funny though that some of the posters who have been moaning for the last four years seem happier now.
I'm having serious reservations (Reeves and Mortimer 'The club') about Houllier.
But now Makoun is signed there is no turning back, if we lose every game he'll be staying.
Yes might as well go for it with Hou now. Another 2 or 3 new faces eager to make a go of it at the Villa might give us the boost we need. If we limp to summer as a Premier League club I'd be quite confident in his ability to change things for the better long term, it's just the situation we find ourselves in now that I don't have much faith in him.
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You auditioning for the part of Senna in the Up Pompeii remake Percy?
Don't know the reference, sorry, but I think I get you. I'm not optimistic at the moment. Funny though that some of the posters who have been moaning for the last four years seem happier now.
I'm having serious reservations (Reeves and Mortimer 'The club') about Houllier.
But now Makoun is signed there is no turning back, if we lose every game he'll be staying.
Yes might as well go for it with Hou now. Another 2 or 3 new faces eager to make a go of it at the Villa might give us the boost we need. If we limp to summer as a Premier League club I'd be quite confident in his ability to change things for the better long term, it's just the situation we find ourselves in now that I don't have much faith in him.
That's the thing, going for it with him.
I'm as unimpressed as anyone with the way things have gone - is it possible to be any other way? - but if we're staying with him in the meantime, we have to back him with transfer money, which at least seems to be happening.
I imagine it is hard to follow a manager so powerful and keen on doing things "his way" as O'Neill was. In fact, I can't really believe I'm about to say this, but that James Nursey article someone linked to last night was spot on on this.
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Agree with Percy and Ruud van Fletcher.
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You auditioning for the part of Senna in the Up Pompeii remake Percy?
Don't know the reference, sorry, but I think I get you. I'm not optimistic at the moment. Funny though that some of the posters who have been moaning for the last four years seem happier now.
I'm having serious reservations (Reeves and Mortimer 'The club') about Houllier.
But now Makoun is signed there is no turning back, if we lose every game he'll be staying.
We've needed a CM for a while though.
The board/ RL will have known that and will have factored that in. I'd still say if we're looking in trouble going into Feb they'll move him on. If we lose badly tomorrow I wouldn't rule it out either.
My hope is that we can limp through the rest of the season and stay up. Not enamoured with GH at all, but at least we'll be seen to have given him every opportunity to make an impression. If all he can do is keep this set of players up he'll have made an impression alright, and hopefully a few of those wavering at the moment will be happy to see him moved on in the summer too. Rather than face the prospect of another season like this one.
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Unless it goes massively pear shaped I don't see the board firing GH at all. I think right now, the board would take getting to the end of the season in one piece and starting fresh in the summer. I think the players he'll bring in this January will make a massive difference to how he wants us to play and the overall attitude at the club. Even winning over the likes of Dunne is a big step forward. We should have won against Sunderland and but for some bad misses, a sending off, and a crazy goal from a player that has never scored before we would have. Yes, a lot of if's and but's in there, but the difference that evening was marginal. Tomorrow is massive, and everyone knows it, but so is getting players in by Jan 31st to help with the rest of the season.
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I am a lot more confident about things now. The problem so far has been GH getting all the players onboard, I think the Sunderland game could be a massive turning point, the fans calling for GH to be sacked and the board responding by standing behind him. For any players thinking they could ride it out until the manager was sacked it was time to think again.
Also with players that GH has signed and hopefully about to sign it dilutes the MON hangover amongst the squad and should make players who want to stay pull their fingers out and those that want to go will be shipped out ala Warnock.
I think we will be well clear at the business end and when we regroup in the summer we can look forward to a proper fresh start.
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I hope the Sunderland game was a turning point.
We all thought the Chelsea game would be.
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I hope the Sunderland game was a turning point.
We all thought the Chelsea game would be.
I think it would have been if Emile hadn't got sent off.
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I hope the Sunderland game was a turning point.
We all thought the Chelsea game would be.
I think it would have been if Emile hadn't got sent off.
Steam shot out of my ears when he stupidly got sent off, but I suppose there is credit in the bank there as he's played so well since Houllier has been here.
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It was so frustrating as he was playing really well. I think GH would have bought BB & MA on a lot earlier if we still had 11 men and we'd have won the match, been 14th and things would have looked a lot rosier.
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You auditioning for the part of Senna in the Up Pompeii remake Percy?
Don't know the reference, sorry, but I think I get you. I'm not optimistic at the moment. Funny though that some of the posters who have been moaning for the last four years seem happier now.
I'm in the grit-your-teeth, shut-your eyes, hope-it-all-goes-away camp, clinging to the odd shred of comfort - the three good goals against (admittedly weak) Sheffield, the signing of a midfielder (of whom I know precious little, especially in a Premier League context) - but convinced that replacing him now would be a poor move.
It will get worse before it gets better I think, and more bitter and divisive words will be written here. Win or lose, it'll be used as a stick to beat O'Neill and on the other side I got the impression one or two here were unreasonably subdued after the Chelsea game because a loss would have suited their case for getting rid of Houllier. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the bloke, none of us should be willing lost points on Villa.
I just want this season to be over so we can attempt to write off the past and get on with moaning about something else.
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BBC has it at the mo:
Wolves 22
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Wigan 22
Villa 21
Spam 20
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Nearly there.Second from bottom as it stands :(
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Last time I shagged a Spanish bird in a German hotel room Villa were relegated.
You'll be pleased to know that this is not a likely occurrence this year.
Ah!!. WE have a problem, You see, earlier this year I met this Spanish bird in Germany.
Anyway one thing led to another and I did not want to Give my own name so I said my name was Dave Cooper.....
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To be honest we were never going to win that Sunderland match even if heskey had not of got sent off. It would of ended 0-0 at best because as average as we were in the first half in the second we were woeful.
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I think Bannan & Albrighton would have come on a lot earlier if he hadn't been sent off and I think they would have made us a lot better.
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BBC has it at the mo:
Wolves 22
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Wigan 22
Villa 21
Spam 20
Come on lads, I'm pissed off too but let's not go mad. It's only half-time. Back in the bad old days it's the type of thing greg would post to prove that we might finish as low as seventh.
EDIT: Anyway, Tevez has just scored.
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Yes We may be bottom tonight but equally tomorrow night we could be out of the bottom 6 as things stand at the moment- keep looking up and not down!
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On the other hand, we may not be bottom tonight but it will happen eventually given the fact that our players don't have any fight in them.
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On the other hand, we may not be bottom tonight but it will happen eventually given the fact that our players don't have any fight in them.
And when the supporters have fight like this, who are we to complain?
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It's a must win for us tommorow, we just have to win. A draw would get us out of the relegation zone by... goal difference.
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On the other hand, we may not be bottom tonight but it will happen eventually given the fact that our players don't have any fight in them.
That's the spirit.
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On the other hand, we may not be bottom tonight but it will happen eventually given the fact that our players don't have any fight in them.
And when the supporters have fight like this, who are we to complain?
A valid point, but hardly a fact.
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It's a must win for us tommorow, we just have to win. A draw would get us out of the relegation zone by... goal difference.
It's a must win for us tommorow, we just have to win. A draw would get us out of the relegation zone by... goal difference.
Actually a draw gets us out of the relegation zone on goals scored not goal difference. Sorry to be pedantic but it is a fact.
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It's a must win for us tommorow, we just have to win. A draw would get us out of the relegation zone by... goal difference.
Too be honest i'd take a draw tomorrow considering we're a couple of players down. I think the Wigan game at the end of the month is a must win game though.
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We won't go down, I'm sure of it. I think there's more new faces to come in.
I'm insanely optimistic all of a sudden, even if we start tomorrow bottom of the heap.
We have players to get us out of this and we will.
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Well to stay up we need to win games, looking at the fixtures and there are no easy ones, a lot has to change in the team from personel to attitude
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We won't go down, I'm sure of it. I think there's more new faces to come in.
I'm insanely optimistic all of a sudden, even if we start tomorrow bottom of the heap.
We have players to get us out of this and we will.
Me too, I don't know why, the Villa do that to you. I've no idea who Jean Makoun is, I've never seen him play and I reckon he bought his birth certificate on Ebay but now that GH is starting to build his side I'm strangely optimistic that we'll start to climb the table very quickly.
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If we go bottom tonight we can dump blues in the bottom three tomorrow when we get up to 15th.
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If we go bottom tonight we can dump blues in the bottom three tomorrow when we get up to 15th.
IF
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No-one can really settle with a draw tommorow with Citeh and Yanited coming up. I know it sounds selfish but I think if we win tommorow we might somehow get a point against Citeh then we'd be 3 or 4 points clear.
It's time for revenge to beat those chavvy scumbags after they got a flukey win over us in the cup. What's the odds that Mcleish plays ultra defensive again?
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I've noticed a bit of a change in attitude towards Houllier over the past few days. Amazing what a couple of good signings and the misjudged remarks of a twat of a Blackpool manager can do for morale.
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all games are now must wins.....we must learn to live with that now
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I've noticed a bit of a change in attitude towards Houllier over the past few days. Amazing what a couple of good signings and the misjudged remarks of a twat of a Blackpool manager can do for morale.
He has been a disaster so far but as he's now spent big money and has Randy's backing, he's here to stay. That being the case we might as well all get behind him.
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This is the start of a new era of solidarity between Villa and Blues fans. All sides of the ground will be singing together in unison tomorrow for the first time in many, many years....
"down with the Baggies, you're going down with the Baggies...."
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That will be inspiring. Twenty Four thousand people singing the same song !!!!!!
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Arsenal winning.
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We'll be 15th tomorrow night.
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This is the start of a new era of solidarity between Villa and Blues fans. All sides of the ground will be singing together in unison tomorrow for the first time in many, many years....
"down with the Baggies, you're going down with the Baggies...."
That made me laugh.
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This is the start of a new era of solidarity between Villa and Blues fans. All sides of the ground will be singing together in unison tomorrow for the first time in many, many years....
"down with the Baggies, you're going down with the Baggies...."
Them: "Going down, going down, going down."
Us: "So are we, so are we, so are we."
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I've noticed a bit of a change in attitude towards Houllier over the past few days. Amazing what a couple of good signings and the misjudged remarks of a twat of a Blackpool manager can do for morale.
He has been a disaster so far but as he's now spent big money and has Randy's backing, he's here to stay. That being the case we might as well all get behind him.
I think for me personally, I have doubts about Houllier's ability to work with some of the current squad, but I believe he will work well with some of the continental signings he's being able to make.
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This is the start of a new era of solidarity between Villa and Blues fans. All sides of the ground will be singing together in unison tomorrow for the first time in many, many years....
"down with the Baggies, you're going down with the Baggies...."
Them: "Going down, going down, going down."
Us: "So are we, so are we, so are we."
I think we should avoid that, it might confuse the heathens a bit.
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Must admit having read this thread and the comments therein, I'm a little perturbed.
We are relegated already.
Houllier has spent big money.
Its the fault of those who didn't support Mon.
We have signed several players, thought we had brought in 2.
We are relegated because England retained the Ashes.
I suppose come tomorrow afternoon normality will return.
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i have been to a cricket coaching course today and did alot about the mental side of the game! I havent bothered to read all the stuff that has been written on the previous 5 pages because i can feel the negativity flowing out of this site like the ectoplasm under New York in ghostbusters.
this is a very british way of seeing things and it does not help anyone at all and certainly not the club, players and other fans give positivity and confidence!
all the harbingers of doom need a change of attitude big time and realise they are being detrimental to the clubs fortunes!
Now Grow up and support the team. BIG TIME!
YOU have an important part to play in the revival of the club!
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I suppose come tomorrow afternoon normality will return.
Why, are you leaving us?
You posted a constant stream of criticism, negativity, misery and lies about how much we'd spent during a period when we were hardly ever out of the top 6, and now we're in the bottom 2 you've finally cheered up. Sorry, but to me you don't seem best qualified to comment on normality.
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Yes, it is all very disappointing recently, but - if I may be blunt - some of you really do need to grow a pair of bollocks.
The self pity is becoming overwhelming.
No, we're not very good. No, we're not as good as we were last year. No, the manager hasn't been a roaring success. No, some of the players clearly do not want to perform.
But to read a great number of threads - oooh, last time we won the Ashes in Australia, we went down / last time Swing Out Sister had a hit we went down / last time we had a manager with two l's and i and an e in his surname we went down etc etc - the lack of fight amongst some of us is really pathetic.
Like we're just looking for an excuse to give up and start acting like we're Sheffield United or Albion, belonging in the second diivision, like we've looked ok for a few years but now we'll doff our caps, bow and scrape and act like the bunch of second raters you seem to think we actually are.
Some of the nonsense even sounds like some of you actually want it to happen. It really is baffling. We need to get behind the team and lift our own spirits, not arse about moping like a load of teenage girls, with our arses in our hands.
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can we rename this thread the "White Flag Thread" and have a sign up sheet?
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Post of the month, pw. Up the Villa.
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Yes, it is all very disappointing recently, but - if I may be blunt - some of you really do need to grow a pair of bollocks.
the lack of fight amongst some of us is really pathetic.
Like we're just looking for an excuse to give up and start acting like we're Sheffield United or Albion, belonging in the second diivision, like we've looked ok for a few years but now we'll doff our caps, bow and scrape and act like the bunch of second raters you seem to think we actually are.
Some of the nonsense even sounds like some of you actually want it to happen. It really is baffling. We need to get behind the team and lift our own spirits, not arse about moping like a load of teenage girls, with our arses in our hands.
Good team talk for Ged tomorrow, accurate too.
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Post of the month, pw. Up the Villa.
It is indeed paulie. Well said.
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Yes, it is all very disappointing recently, but - if I may be blunt - some of you really do need to grow a pair of bollocks.
The self pity is becoming overwhelming.
No, we're not very good. No, we're not as good as we were last year. No, the manager hasn't been a roaring success. No, some of the players clearly do not want to perform.
But to read a great number of threads - oooh, last time we won the Ashes in Australia, we went down / last time Swing Out Sister had a hit we went down / last time we had a manager with two l's and i and an e in his surname we went down etc etc - the lack of fight amongst some of us is really pathetic.
Like we're just looking for an excuse to give up and start acting like we're Sheffield United or Albion, belonging in the second diivision, like we've looked ok for a few years but now we'll doff our caps, bow and scrape and act like the bunch of second raters you seem to think we actually are.
Some of the nonsense even sounds like some of you actually want it to happen. It really is baffling. We need to get behind the team and lift our own spirits, not arse about moping like a load of teenage girls, with our arses in our hands.
Agreed, but none of it will make a blind bit of difference if the players and manager continue to play just like you've described the fans.
thing is though Percy, they should plenty of spirit against Chelsea. We lost because of a lack of quality against Sunderland, a stupid sending off and a goal from a completely unlikely source. Not because we lacked fight. And we beat Sheffield United handily in the end. Those last few games don't indicate to me a team throwing in the towel.
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Yes, it is all very disappointing recently, but - if I may be blunt - some of you really do need to grow a pair of bollocks.
The self pity is becoming overwhelming.
No, we're not very good. No, we're not as good as we were last year. No, the manager hasn't been a roaring success. No, some of the players clearly do not want to perform.
But to read a great number of threads - oooh, last time we won the Ashes in Australia, we went down / last time Swing Out Sister had a hit we went down / last time we had a manager with two l's and i and an e in his surname we went down etc etc - the lack of fight amongst some of us is really pathetic.
Like we're just looking for an excuse to give up and start acting like we're Sheffield United or Albion, belonging in the second diivision, like we've looked ok for a few years but now we'll doff our caps, bow and scrape and act like the bunch of second raters you seem to think we actually are.
Some of the nonsense even sounds like some of you actually want it to happen. It really is baffling. We need to get behind the team and lift our own spirits, not arse about moping like a load of teenage girls, with our arses in our hands.
Churchillian, pw, churchillian.
<wipes away tear>
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Speaking as one of about ten posters who spent the last three or four years railing against all the doom and gloom on here when we were challenging for the Champions League, I sympathise paulie. Maybe I just got tired of banging my head against a brick wall.
Nice that the positivity sunk in with you eventually though.
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Yes, it is all very disappointing recently, but - if I may be blunt - some of you really do need to grow a pair of bollocks.
The self pity is becoming overwhelming.
No, we're not very good. No, we're not as good as we were last year. No, the manager hasn't been a roaring success. No, some of the players clearly do not want to perform.
But to read a great number of threads - oooh, last time we won the Ashes in Australia, we went down / last time Swing Out Sister had a hit we went down / last time we had a manager with two l's and i and an e in his surname we went down etc etc - the lack of fight amongst some of us is really pathetic.
Like we're just looking for an excuse to give up and start acting like we're Sheffield United or Albion, belonging in the second diivision, like we've looked ok for a few years but now we'll doff our caps, bow and scrape and act like the bunch of second raters you seem to think we actually are.
Some of the nonsense even sounds like some of you actually want it to happen. It really is baffling. We need to get behind the team and lift our own spirits, not arse about moping like a load of teenage girls, with our arses in our hands.
A rallying cry from PaulieW!
Gerrintoemanfcuckemoff!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on your Lions!!!!
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Yes, it is all very disappointing recently, but - if I may be blunt - some of you really do need to grow a pair of bollocks.
The self pity is becoming overwhelming.
No, we're not very good. No, we're not as good as we were last year. No, the manager hasn't been a roaring success. No, some of the players clearly do not want to perform.
But to read a great number of threads - oooh, last time we won the Ashes in Australia, we went down / last time Swing Out Sister had a hit we went down / last time we had a manager with two l's and i and an e in his surname we went down etc etc - the lack of fight amongst some of us is really pathetic.
Like we're just looking for an excuse to give up and start acting like we're Sheffield United or Albion, belonging in the second diivision, like we've looked ok for a few years but now we'll doff our caps, bow and scrape and act like the bunch of second raters you seem to think we actually are.
Some of the nonsense even sounds like some of you actually want it to happen. It really is baffling. We need to get behind the team and lift our own spirits, not arse about moping like a load of teenage girls, with our arses in our hands.
Well said. Sums up my feelings pretty well perfectly.
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Pauliewalnuts you beauty. Up The Villa!
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Yes, it is all very disappointing recently, but - if I may be blunt - some of you really do need to grow a pair of bollocks.
The self pity is becoming overwhelming.
No, we're not very good. No, we're not as good as we were last year. No, the manager hasn't been a roaring success. No, some of the players clearly do not want to perform.
But to read a great number of threads - oooh, last time we won the Ashes in Australia, we went down / last time Swing Out Sister had a hit we went down / last time we had a manager with two l's and i and an e in his surname we went down etc etc - the lack of fight amongst some of us is really pathetic.
Like we're just looking for an excuse to give up and start acting like we're Sheffield United or Albion, belonging in the second diivision, like we've looked ok for a few years but now we'll doff our caps, bow and scrape and act like the bunch of second raters you seem to think we actually are.
Some of the nonsense even sounds like some of you actually want it to happen. It really is baffling. We need to get behind the team and lift our own spirits, not arse about moping like a load of teenage girls, with our arses in our hands.
Bit of an over reaction to what i've been reading on here. And with the greatest respect, you moaned and complained for the last 18 months of MON's tenure.
Now we find ourselves in the bottom three, having put in some pretty ordinary performances from the management team down to the so called senoir players, I think some supporters are more than entitled to be a little bit pissed off and fearful of what the rest of the season holds.
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''Our arses in our hands''? That's the second time I've read that expression on here today without ever seeing it before. Does it mean ready to be rogered up the Khyber Pass?
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Anyone noticed we are out of the bottom 3 ?
Amazing stuff, 20 more points needed from 17 games
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Out of the bottom three and finally heading in the right direction. Another couple of signings this week and we'll face Man City in good heart next week. We still don't look like scoring though!!
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Nothing to see here. Move along please
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Bit of an over reaction to what i've been reading on here. And with the greatest respect, you moaned and complained for the last 18 months of MON's tenure.
Now we find ourselves in the bottom three, having put in some pretty ordinary performances from the management team down to the so called senoir players, I think some supporters are more than entitled to be a little bit pissed off and fearful of what the rest of the season holds.
I said I didn't like his football (which I didn't) and I didn't think we'd qualify for the CL (which we didn't).
The stakes involved in not qualifying for the CL and those involved in getting relegated are somewhat different, though.
And yes, I agree with your final paragraph, as I said, I don't like GH much either, and I can see that we're shit - you don't have to be the king of football analysis to spot that.
That's not what gives me the hump. People have the right to moan, you're right, I have been doing it myself. But that is different from the pathetic defeatism, the "oh, if this happens and that happens and this happens too, we could be bottom tonight" which sometimes seem to have an air of hoping it happens attached to it, combined with the "oooh, last time *insert something totally irrelevant here* happened, we got relegated" thing.
A run of shit form and we turn into Albion fans, expecting the world to collapse around us.
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Maybe we could all hear the cry of the clarion if we hadn't been served up so much shie over the season. The players seem to have given up at times so you can hardly blame the fans for their lack of belief. Once a season you expect complete dross but performances like we saw at Newcastle, Liverpool, Man City tend to make fans believe that is our level.
The better a team perform the more the fans get behind them, the worse they perform and the same happens in reverse. Crowd levels have stayed high at Villa Park despite the rubbsh and for that you can see the white flag hasn't gone up when at games, but I think everyone has the right to panic like fuckity in between kick-offs.