Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: villa for life on January 06, 2011, 12:12:39 AM
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I know the old saying is that "you are never too good to go down" but take a look at our players...it's littered with talent.
Gabby, Young, Warnock on the fringes of the England team...not forgetting Heskey and Luke Young who have chosen not to be part of it... add to these all the other Internationals we have... and the names on paper are really good decent players.
Good teams have gone down, but have any with quite so many talented players?
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The West Ham that went down had Di Canio, Kanoute, Defoe as three of their strikers and also Joe Cole and David James in their team.
The Newcastle team that got relegated had Owen, Viduka and Martins plus Nolan and all the other expensive players.
So not sure really.
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West Ham went down with 42 points (a Premieeeeer League record). With the way the bottom teams (except us) keep springing surprise results I expect it might take at least that amount to stay up this year. Worrying.
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It should be 'will we', not 'we will'.
No we won't be and we won't be relegated anyway.
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There can't be too many teams who have finished in the top 6 one season and gone down the season after that's for sure.
Ipswich?
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There can't be too many teams who have finished in the top 6 one season and gone down the season after that's for sure.
Ipswich?
What were Forest or Sunderland's descents like?
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I'm just waiting for the "relegation wouldn't be the end of the world" nonsense to start.
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It should be 'will we', not 'we will'.
No we won't be and we won't be relegated anyway.
tenner says we will be
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There can't be too many teams who have finished in the top 6 one season and gone down the season after that's for sure.
Blackburn finished 6th 97/98. They were relegated 98/99.
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There can't be too many teams who have finished in the top 6 one season and gone down the season after that's for sure.
Good point. In 'The Holte's Last Stand' edition of H&V (1994, obviously), there is a piece that talks about the highs and lows of being a Villa supporter. It points out that not many teams - if any, bar AVFC - have won the European Cup and been relegated from the top tier of their respective leagues within 5 years...
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I'm just waiting for the "relegation wouldn't be the end of the world" nonsense to start.
It wouldn't though would it?
Unless you are going to stop going or maybe top yourself then you will still be supporting Villa, just in the second division, along with a whole host of other fans who also think their team should be in the Premiership.
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No team is ever too good to go down i really hope it does not happen and i don't think it will but we have got to start and put some results together i never thought we would be where we are at the start of the season worrying times for us.
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No.
Whatever the circumstances, if we are relegated it means we are one of the poorest 3 teams out of the 20 this season.
I would add that of those 20 teams in this years competition they have overall been of a lower standard than most previous recent seasons.
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I'm just waiting for the "relegation wouldn't be the end of the world" nonsense to start.
Already heard some rumblings about "at least we'd stand a chance of winning something if we went down" tonight. And "seasons tickets will be cheaper".
I also heard these phrases muttered, generally as jokes though.
It wouldn't be the end of the world, hiring Big Fat Sam would be though.
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Our keeper is past it- our defence concede goals galore , the midfield create fuck all and the strikers don't score goals- best team to go down, -NO!
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I can't think of many "big" teams who have seen a nosedive in fortunes as bad as ours. There have been teams like Ipswich that came up and punched above their weights for a while, before heading back down from whence they came, and of course the likes of Leeds with their finance induced chaos, but not many in a similar situation to us.
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Our keeper is past it- our defence concede goals galore , the midfield create fuck all and the strikers don't score goals- best team to go down, -NO!
You didnt mention what you thought of the manager there.
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Our keeper is past it- our defence concede goals galore , the midfield create fuck all and the strikers don't score goals- best team to go down, -NO!
Apart from that, it's like watching Brazil !!
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I dont think relegation would be a disaster. But that's because I dont buy into all this hype about the Premiership being the land of milk and honey. In fact, I despise everything the 'EPL' stands for.
What I do love is watching my team play exciting, attacking football and winning games. I'd take a season winning the Championship and breaking goal-scoring records over a drab season of lower to mid table boredom any year.
The fact is, we are never going to win the premier league unless the money dries up and Sky piss off and kill a different sport. We're just making up the numbers and it is getting very very tedious.
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When we do go down, there's no automatic rule saying we will win every week and play fantastic attacking football
It may not be like last time under Sir Graham, it could get a lot lot worse
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1)if we did go down, do you think Houllier would voluntarily resign?
2) Would Ash really see out his contract and stay for his last season??!! It'd be interesting to see him in the championship - I can't imagine it! Maybe we could do some deal whereby he had to sign a year or two contract extension for us to then let him go, thereby enabling us to get a higher transfer fee or force him to stay for the season. I wonder if he could handle it or would he give in and eventually sign on!!
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I dont know about Ashley's personal motivations, but history tells us that the best players ALWAYS leave when a club gets relegated. I wouldnt expect Gabby to hang around either.
And there'd be lots of others on high wages who would have to be shifted just to balance the books.
Its something every fan has to go witness at some point. My grandad (God rest his soul) followed Villa for 70 years and the one era he always talked most fondly of was the 60s/70s when we were really struggling. He probably hated it at the time, but wisdom and hindsight showed him that it was just part of the cycle of football. He got to travel to new grounds and see a different side of the game.
The basic pleasures were still the same. Watching us win, seeing us score goals, getting excited about a promising youngster coming through. Its still the same game, just against different opposition, in different surroundings.
What it certainly isnt is a disaster.
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Must admit I have some really good memories of our promotion in 88 - those minutes waiting gor the result after Swindon game- and who s ores the goal for Leicester at boro that saw us promoted? It was Gary macallister!