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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Gaztonniller on January 05, 2011, 10:40:08 PM
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If R.L didnt want to spend the cash last summer, and if he didnt want to give MON the monies required to maintain the clubs challenge at the top end of the league, then he may have to spend it now.
With the club now slipping into the drop zone, the dreadful irony of the situation is even if sizeable financial backing is now given, G.H may find it even harder to attract the quality players needed, or may have to pay even more over the odds to get such players in to lift the club up out of it present plight.
The way things are looking at the mo, it maybe a case of hoping that there are three even worse teams in the prem that go down this season for R.L to hopefully learn a not too very expensive, costly lesson.
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If R.L didnt want to spend the cash last summer, and if he didnt want to give MON the monies required to maintain the clubs challenge at the top end of the league, then he may have to spend it now.
With the club now slipping into the drop zone, the dreadful irony of the situation is even if sizeable financial backing is now given, G.H may find it even harder to attract the quality players needed, or may have to pay even more over the odds to get such players in to lift the club up out of it present plight.
The way things are looking at the mo, it maybe a case of hoping that there are three even worse teams in the prem that go down this season for R.L to hopefully learn a not too very expensive, costly lesson.
I'm now even more depressed, we need a new manager to give us some of the bounce and will to win back
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or more worringly what if he decides not to invest anymore money and we go down.
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Less than 33K for a home match as well. Bottom three, and a stadium only three quarters full. Randy will be struggling to recoup his outlay at this rate.
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I thought it was quite common knowledge that Randy told MON he had as much money as he wanted to spend aslong as he got wages down. MON couldn't shift some of the high paid dross we had so couldn't buy
Randy is trying to secure the future of this club so if anything happens to him we aren't stuck paying more on wages than we bring into the club, as he has continually said he will back managers with transfer funds (from his own pocket) but wages need to come down if only for the future of the club
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I thought it was quite common knowledge that Randy told MON he had as much money as he wanted to spend aslong as he got wages down. MON couldn't shift some of the high paid dross we had so couldn't buy
I thought MON going was more to do with Milner being sold against his desire, being told that he couldn't have any of the money and the only player he'd be getting in would be Ireland because that was Citeh's terms.
If Sidwell does end up going to Wet Spam this week, it'll be interesting to see how much the deal is worth, because I suspect it's an amount we could and would have got under MON in the summer.
Luke Young's cancelled move to Liverpool always struck me as strange. Couldn't see any reason for him wanting to stay unless he had an inkling of MON's imminent departure.
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I thought it was quite common knowledge that Randy told MON he had as much money as he wanted to spend aslong as he got wages down. MON couldn't shift some of the high paid dross we had so couldn't buy
I thought MON going was more to do with Milner being sold against his desire, being told that he couldn't have any of the money and the only player he'd be getting in would be Ireland because that was Citeh's terms.
If Sidwell does end up going to Wet Spam this week, it'll be interesting to see how much the deal is worth, because I suspect it's an amount we could and would have got under MON in the summer.
Luke Young's cancelled move to Liverpool always struck me as strange. Couldn't see any reason for him wanting to stay unless he had an inkling of MON's imminent departure.
I think is on very very generous wages at Villa, and I think Liverpool wanted him to make a huge pay cut, he is 31 and going to Liverpool would have been as back up to Glen Johnson, he wasn't getting in at Villa but he wouldn't have done at liverpool either. I woud like to think if anyone knew MON was on his way someone would have done something about it long before the new season
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Ditto NRC.
Was offered a move to Blackburn around the weekend of the Valencia game and turned it down as he said he felt something might happen.
If I was cynical I'd say it was two players who he'd ostracised making it as difficult as possible for him. They (like us) knew that any new business depended on players departing to bring down the wage bill.
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Ditto NRC.
Was offered a move to Blackburn around the weekend of the Valencia game and turned it down as he said he felt something might happen.
I recall going to that game and coming away utterly depressed for no apparent reason. The whole vibe around the club seemed like a wake. It hasn't improved I'm sorry to say.
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The club has painted itself into a corner over the last six months and only have themselves to blame.
For an unconfirmed reason (despite opinion on here), the manager who had achieved relative success, in terms of stability at least, saw fit to resign. The appointment of his replacement, who had to be asked twice to take the job, was an utter mess. His reign has reflected that and we find ourselves in the bottom three with little sign of any improvement.
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The biggest irony is that this season is the end of the so called 5 year plan, and we're about to get relegated. Couldn't go more tits up really, and there can only be one person to blame for that failure - RAL.
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The heartbreaking thing is imagining what we could do with the money we had 5 years ago if we'd just appointed someone good in the transfer market.
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If only NRC had gone to Blackburn. Why has he got the armband? The only surprise with him is why MON bought him in the first place, not why he never gets a game. He's the worst player since Leonhardsen at VP.
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I thought it was quite common knowledge that Randy told MON he had as much money as he wanted to spend aslong as he got wages down. MON couldn't shift some of the high paid dross we had so couldn't buy
I thought MON going was more to do with Milner being sold against his desire, being told that he couldn't have any of the money and the only player he'd be getting in would be Ireland because that was Citeh's terms.
If Sidwell does end up going to Wet Spam this week, it'll be interesting to see how much the deal is worth, because I suspect it's an amount we could and would have got under MON in the summer.
Luke Young's cancelled move to Liverpool always struck me as strange. Couldn't see any reason for him wanting to stay unless he had an inkling of MON's imminent departure.
There was money available in the summer, the Milner deal was in place when MON was still here and he was happy with it, he wanted Ireland as part of the deal but got in an almighty huff after we wouldn't sanction an over inflated bid for McGeady on preposterous wages.
Luke Young knocked back Liverpool as he is on a good wage with us and doesn't want to uproot his family. Sidwell was going to Fulham until Woy left and Hughes blocked the move when he got the job.
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I thought it was quite common knowledge that Randy told MON he had as much money as he wanted to spend aslong as he got wages down. MON couldn't shift some of the high paid dross we had so couldn't buy
I thought MON going was more to do with Milner being sold against his desire, being told that he couldn't have any of the money and the only player he'd be getting in would be Ireland because that was Citeh's terms.
If Sidwell does end up going to Wet Spam this week, it'll be interesting to see how much the deal is worth, because I suspect it's an amount we could and would have got under MON in the summer.
Luke Young's cancelled move to Liverpool always struck me as strange. Couldn't see any reason for him wanting to stay unless he had an inkling of MON's imminent departure.
There was money available in the summer, the Milner deal was in place when MON was still here and he was happy with it, he wanted Ireland as part of the deal but got in an almighty huff after we wouldn't sanction an over inflated bid for McGeady on preposterous wages.
And Keane.
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and you all know this
I thought it was quite common knowledge that Randy told MON he had as much money as he wanted to spend aslong as he got wages down. MON couldn't shift some of the high paid dross we had so couldn't buy
I thought MON going was more to do with Milner being sold against his desire, being told that he couldn't have any of the money and the only player he'd be getting in would be Ireland because that was Citeh's terms.
If Sidwell does end up going to Wet Spam this week, it'll be interesting to see how much the deal is worth, because I suspect it's an amount we could and would have got under MON in the summer.
Luke Young's cancelled move to Liverpool always struck me as strange. Couldn't see any reason for him wanting to stay unless he had an inkling of MON's imminent departure.
There was money available in the summer, the Milner deal was in place when MON was still here and he was happy with it, he wanted Ireland as part of the deal but got in an almighty huff after we wouldn't sanction an over inflated bid for McGeady on preposterous wages.
And Keane.
And you all know this how exactly? Because someone else wrote it on a fans forum? People should really stop pretending they know all about the goings on at Villa this preseason because noone actually has a clue on here.
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All we need is for MON to get a job somewhere (Liverpool), then he will swoop in for Carew, Sidwell, Petrov, et al, and take them all off our hands.
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and you all know this I thought it was quite common knowledge that Randy told MON he had as much money as he wanted to spend aslong as he got wages down. MON couldn't shift some of the high paid dross we had so couldn't buy
I thought MON going was more to do with Milner being sold against his desire, being told that he couldn't have any of the money and the only player he'd be getting in would be Ireland because that was Citeh's terms.
If Sidwell does end up going to Wet Spam this week, it'll be interesting to see how much the deal is worth, because I suspect it's an amount we could and would have got under MON in the summer.
Luke Young's cancelled move to Liverpool always struck me as strange. Couldn't see any reason for him wanting to stay unless he had an inkling of MON's imminent departure.
There was money available in the summer, the Milner deal was in place when MON was still here and he was happy with it, he wanted Ireland as part of the deal but got in an almighty huff after we wouldn't sanction an over inflated bid for McGeady on preposterous wages.
And Keane.
And you all know this how exactly? Because someone else wrote it on a fans forum? People should really stop pretending they know all about the goings on at Villa this preseason because noone actually has a clue on here.
I know it because I happen to know it. And don't jump to a presumption that simply because you don't know what happened this summer that nobody else has a clue.
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To be blaming MON now is a little naive, we had 4 very solid years under his tenure & came close to glory with an exciting team
Yes, he left the club in a bit of a mess (as he did Celtic) but, in this day and age, what options did he have
He kept the youth set up and foundations of the club in a tremendous place
We need to now, get a younger, more energetic manager and coaching team, with solid ideas on how we move the club forward
I've no idea what Houllier is about or the rationale behind his appointmemt, what is his ethos on the game ?, what personal motivation he has at this stage in his life, certainly having lunch at the canteen each day at Bodymoor with his wife doesnt' fit with my thoughts on a a manageer keen for success and progress.
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To be blaming MON now is a little naive, we had 4 very solid years under his tenure & came close to glory with an exciting team
Yes, he left the club in a bit of a mess (as he did Celtic) but, in this day and age, what options did he have
He kept the youth set up and foundations of the club in a tremendous place
We need to now, get a younger, more energetic manager and coaching team, with solid ideas on how we move the club forward
I've no idea what Houllier is about or the rationale behind his appointmemt, what is his ethos on the game ?, what personal motivation he has at this stage in his life, certainly having lunch at the canteen each day at Bodymoor with his wife doesnt' fit with my thoughts on a a manageer keen for success and progress.
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Yr then left with two options. Either you trust the current manager financially in this Jan transfer window to try and get the quality needed and see how things go for the remainder of the season. And from reading yr response, (i maybe be wrong) but it sounds as if you would also have misgivings about giving sufficient funds to him based on yr thoughts about the manager. Or if You did get in another "younger" manager and hope he is able to improve what happening on the pitch with the current squad of players but with this option, its unlikely he'd have time to suss out the players needed (if any) to bolster/improve the squad for the remainder of the season. If there's a third option, i cant see it unless you have MON back but thats another debate on another thread.
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and you all know this I thought it was quite common knowledge that Randy told MON he had as much money as he wanted to spend aslong as he got wages down. MON couldn't shift some of the high paid dross we had so couldn't buy
I thought MON going was more to do with Milner being sold against his desire, being told that he couldn't have any of the money and the only player he'd be getting in would be Ireland because that was Citeh's terms.
If Sidwell does end up going to Wet Spam this week, it'll be interesting to see how much the deal is worth, because I suspect it's an amount we could and would have got under MON in the summer.
Luke Young's cancelled move to Liverpool always struck me as strange. Couldn't see any reason for him wanting to stay unless he had an inkling of MON's imminent departure.
There was money available in the summer, the Milner deal was in place when MON was still here and he was happy with it, he wanted Ireland as part of the deal but got in an almighty huff after we wouldn't sanction an over inflated bid for McGeady on preposterous wages.
And Keane.
And you all know this how exactly? Because someone else wrote it on a fans forum? People should really stop pretending they know all about the goings on at Villa this preseason because noone actually has a clue on here.
I know it because I happen to know it. And don't jump to a presumption that simply because you don't know what happened this summer that nobody else has a clue.
So you know exactly why MON left and who is transfer targets were. Yeah right. I remember all the ITKs saying that MON was definitely going to buy Upson, Bentley, Bent, etc the summer before just as some have convinced themselves that they 'know' he was going to sign Keane and McGready this year. Don't kid yourself
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So you know exactly why MON left and who is transfer targets were. Yeah right. I remember all the ITKs saying that MON was definitely going to buy Upson, Bentley, Bent, etc the summer before just as some have convinced themselves that they 'know' he was going to sign Keane and McGready this year. Don't kid yourself
Just because we don't sign a player doesn't mean we weren't in for them. We don't operate in a vacuum.
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Five months on and I'm still waiting to find out exactly why MON left.
Many on here appear to know, and in addition are convinced that he timed his departure to cause maximum damage to our club.
I think I know why he left, but thats based on suposition, nothing more.
If someone could enlighten me I would be most grateful.
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To be blaming MON now is a little naive, we had 4 very solid years under his tenure & came close to glory with an exciting team
Yes, he left the club in a bit of a mess (as he did Celtic) but, in this day and age, what options did he have
He kept the youth set up and foundations of the club in a tremendous place
We need to now, get a younger, more energetic manager and coaching team, with solid ideas on how we move the club forward
I've no idea what Houllier is about or the rationale behind his appointmemt, what is his ethos on the game ?, what personal motivation he has at this stage in his life, certainly having lunch at the canteen each day at Bodymoor with his wife doesnt' fit with my thoughts on a a manageer keen for success and progress.
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Yr then left with two options. Either you trust the current manager financially in this Jan transfer window to try and get the quality needed and see how things go for the remainder of the season. And from reading yr response, (i maybe be wrong) but it sounds as if you would also have misgivings about giving sufficient funds to him based on yr thoughts about the manager. Or if You did get in another "younger" manager and hope he is able to improve what happening on the pitch with the current squad of players but with this option, its unlikely he'd have time to suss out the players needed (if any) to bolster/improve the squad for the remainder of the season. If there's a third option, i cant see it unless you have MON back but thats another debate on another thread.
Oops!! :-[, third option, you stick with the manager, give him little or no money this transfer window, and pray for an upturn in form and results with the remaining current squad.
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I know it because I happen to know it. And don't jump to a presumption that simply because you don't know what happened this summer that nobody else has a clue.
I just love the incontrovertible logic in this statement.
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Five months on and I'm still waiting to find out exactly why MON left.
If someone could enlighten me I would be most grateful.
He's cleverer than many give him credit for and knowing that the writing was on the wall for him he took a whole summers pay for being on holiday and got out just in the nick of time to keep his cv impressive for one more job at the top.
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So you know exactly why MON left and who is transfer targets were. Yeah right. I remember all the ITKs saying that MON was definitely going to buy Upson, Bentley, Bent, etc the summer before just as some have convinced themselves that they 'know' he was going to sign Keane and McGready this year. Don't kid yourself
The Keane and McGeady story is true, I was informed of it by a journaalist who is very close to the club, a journalist who I used to work with.
Couldn't give two hoots if you believe it or not, although i'd suggest that you're dismissing it on the basis of it making your God look rather tainted.
Bottom line is that he walked over the clubs refusal to let us be crippled by a wage bill that was already on 85% of the turnover.
He got a reputation at Celtic for threatening to walk when not given the funds he wanted, interviews with Archie McPherson who wrote 'Flower of Scotland' bear this out, if you need evidence.
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Five months on and I'm still waiting to find out exactly why MON left.
If someone could enlighten me I would be most grateful.
He's cleverer than many give him credit for and knowing that the writing was on the wall for him he took a whole summers pay for being on holiday and got out just in the nick of time to keep his cv impressive for one more job at the top.
Thats just supposition once again.
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So you know exactly why MON left and who is transfer targets were. Yeah right. I remember all the ITKs saying that MON was definitely going to buy Upson, Bentley, Bent, etc the summer before just as some have convinced themselves that they 'know' he was going to sign Keane and McGready this year. Don't kid yourself
The Keane and McGeady story is true, I was informed of it by a journaalist who is very close to the club, a journalist who I used to work with.
Couldn't give two hoots if you believe it or not, although i'd suggest that you're dismissing it on the basis of it making your God look rather tainted.
Bottom line is that he walked over the clubs refusal to let us be crippled by a wage bill that was already on 85% of the turnover.
He got a reputation at Celtic for threatening to walk when not given the funds he wanted, interviews with Archie McPherson who wrote 'Flower of Scotland' bear this out, if you need evidence.
So we should all believe what journalists say?
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So you know exactly why MON left and who is transfer targets were. Yeah right. I remember all the ITKs saying that MON was definitely going to buy Upson, Bentley, Bent, etc the summer before just as some have convinced themselves that they 'know' he was going to sign Keane and McGready this year. Don't kid yourself
The Keane and McGeady story is true, I was informed of it by a journaalist who is very close to the club, a journalist who I used to work with.
Couldn't give two hoots if you believe it or not, although i'd suggest that you're dismissing it on the basis of it making your God look rather tainted.
Bottom line is that he walked over the clubs refusal to let us be crippled by a wage bill that was already on 85% of the turnover.
He got a reputation at Celtic for threatening to walk when not given the funds he wanted, interviews with Archie McPherson who wrote 'Flower of Scotland' bear this out, if you need evidence.
I know he's a ****** Mark, I'm not disputing that, but isn't it kind of the managers job to push the chairmen into spending money on the team? Isn't that what we as fans hope they would do?
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So you know exactly why MON left and who is transfer targets were. Yeah right. I remember all the ITKs saying that MON was definitely going to buy Upson, Bentley, Bent, etc the summer before just as some have convinced themselves that they 'know' he was going to sign Keane and McGready this year. Don't kid yourself
The Keane and McGeady story is true, I was informed of it by a journaalist who is very close to the club, a journalist who I used to work with.
Couldn't give two hoots if you believe it or not, although i'd suggest that you're dismissing it on the basis of it making your God look rather tainted.
Bottom line is that he walked over the clubs refusal to let us be crippled by a wage bill that was already on 85% of the turnover.
He got a reputation at Celtic for threatening to walk when not given the funds he wanted, interviews with Archie McPherson who wrote 'Flower of Scotland' bear this out, if you need evidence.
I know he's a c*** Mark, I'm not disputing that, but isn't it kind of the managers job to push the chairmen into spending money on the team? Isn't that what we as fans hope they would do?
No problem with him pushing the transfer funds Lee, but the big issue was the wages one, Keane and McGeady would have been on very high wages with no sign of any of high earning fringe squad members on the way out.
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So you know exactly why MON left and who is transfer targets were. Yeah right. I remember all the ITKs saying that MON was definitely going to buy Upson, Bentley, Bent, etc the summer before just as some have convinced themselves that they 'know' he was going to sign Keane and McGready this year. Don't kid yourself
The Keane and McGeady story is true, I was informed of it by a journaalist who is very close to the club, a journalist who I used to work with.
Couldn't give two hoots if you believe it or not, although i'd suggest that you're dismissing it on the basis of it making your God look rather tainted.
Bottom line is that he walked over the clubs refusal to let us be crippled by a wage bill that was already on 85% of the turnover.
He got a reputation at Celtic for threatening to walk when not given the funds he wanted, interviews with Archie McPherson who wrote 'Flower of Scotland' bear this out, if you need evidence.
So we should all believe what journalists say?
It's up to you.
I believe a journalist who i've known for some years and who has told me correct information in the past.
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MON is an intelligent guy, surely he could see the issue of having half-a-dozen players on mega wages sat in the stands and never being used. I just wonder if a personality clash between MON and Faulkner was the real issue. ie a 58 year old football man being told what to do by a 32 year old ex-account manager and newly appointed chief exec.