Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2010, 01:23:55 AM
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Made me laugh. Apologies if already posted...
Link (http://backofthenet.markwatsonthecomedian.com/2010/12/09/houllier-encouraged-to-at-least-pretend-he-likes-villa/)
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It's picking at a scab. He clearly has a lot of affection for Liverpool despite having moved to other clubs since. A bit like Sir Graham will always have for us, and how Ron Atkinson or John Gregory always considers themselves more Villa than anything else. Hopefully, now that the game has passed it's over and done with. Enough has been said and written about this and "we" now need to let it go.
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Time to let this go now and look to the future, houllier has apologised !
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another 3 pts Saturday and it will be buried.....
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Made me laugh. Apologies if already posted...
Link (http://backofthenet.markwatsonthecomedian.com/2010/12/09/houllier-encouraged-to-at-least-pretend-he-likes-villa/)
It would be funnier if it wasn't so close to the truth lol
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Let's look forward not back.
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Time to let this go now and look to the future, houllier has apologised !
He apologised for the fans not understanding his 'joke'.
He didn't apologise for what he did, or said, at Anfield and he never will, he loves that club.
And just so you know, what he did and said, was so far beyond the pale, it warranted instant dismissal.
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And just so you know, what he did and said, was so far beyond the pale, it warranted instant dismissal.
Just because you believe that, it doesn't make it true. Just so you know, like.
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what a good idea sack the manager a few weeks away from the windolw olpening, take 2 months to find another one, be great for Randy's pocket.
Not so good for us in the fight for relegation but who cares he didn't apologise sack him.
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He didn't apologise for what he did, or said, at Anfield and he never will, he loves that club.
And just so you know, what he did and said, was so far beyond the pale, it warranted instant dismissal.
Sack him because he likes another club?
Best get rid of most of our players then, I doubt many of them support Villa.
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The Beeb are reporting Houlllier has denied any major player revolt at the Villa
No smoke without fire....
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The Beeb are reporting Houlllier has denied any major player revolt at the Villa
No smoke without fire....
Does a journalist asking "Is there a major player revolt" constitute smoke?
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If Houllier has a sensational January on and off the pitch, great news. But it is hard to recall any manager messing things up so much so soon. Injuries, bad training methods, player revolts, bad results, too few goals scored, too many conceded, no pattern to the play and wishing he was still at Liverpool. It seems highly unlikely he will ever turn it around.
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If Houllier has a sensational January on and off the pitch, great news. But it is hard to recall any manager messing things up so much so soon. Injuries, bad training methods, player revolts, bad results, too few goals scored, too many conceded, no pattern to the play and wishing he was still at Liverpool. It seems highly unlikely he will ever turn it around.
It's certainly hard to remember any manager being the subject of such ill-informed and sensationalist rubbish on a regular basis.
How exactly are injuries his fault? And who says anything about bad training methods and player revolts? Or wishing he was anywhere else, for that matter.
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If Houllier has a sensational January on and off the pitch, great news. But it is hard to recall any manager messing things up so much so soon. Injuries, bad training methods, player revolts, bad results, too few goals scored, too many conceded, no pattern to the play and wishing he was still at Liverpool. It seems highly unlikely he will ever turn it around.
Someone pass Paul the citalopram
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But it is hard to recall any manager messing things up so much so soon.
I can recall some, would you like their names ?
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I post this piece here as the Beye in bust-up thread has developed/descended into a thread about whether MON left a squad of ageing dross behind or, just simply, a squad of averagely aged dross.
Anyway, Houllier does seem to hint that not every player is happy with his methods ("we are changing a lot of things and that upsets the comfort of some players"), but that is their problem, not his.
From Sky Sports:
HOULLIER - PLAYERS MUST ADAPT
Villa boss plays down rumours of dissent in ranks
Gerard Houllier has played down reports of major rebellion at Aston Villa, but insists players must 'adapt or die' under a new manager.
The manager has shrugged off rumours of dissent over the training methods he has implemented since succeeding Martin O'Neill at the helm of Villa three months ago.
The former Liverpool boss is adamant there was "no incident" involving replacement captain Richard Dunne, who was dropped for last Saturday's home encounter with West Brom.
And Frenchman Houllier also stressed playing some of his out-of-favour senior players in a behind-closed-doors friendly with Leicester was not intended as a punishment but to help them maintain match fitness.
Dissent
He said: "I've read about dissent in the squad over training methods but it is not true. I know it is different to what it was before but it is not true and the players will adapt gradually.
"We do a lot of work with the ball, we play a lot of games, we do some tactics as well.
"Do people have to adapt to a new manager and methods? In a way, yes. You adapt or you die.
"We are changing a lot of things and that upsets the comfort of some players."
Houllier added: "I am not going to talk about the players who are dissenting and not happy. Any manager who runs a team knows the players who are playing are happy, and the players who are not playing are not happy.
"They think the methods are not good and they think the manager is not the right person but we have to live with that.
"We know that we are changing things, we know that sometimes people are whingeing and moaning but they have a fantastic job.
"They are paid high wages to play and enjoy football. This is a fantastic job and sometimes you forget that."
Houllier confirmed that Dunne's replacement, Carlos Cuellar, will again start in Saturday's clash at Wigan.
He said: "There was no incident with Richard Dunne. Not at all. I took a football decision not to play him and Cuellar came in and did extremely well and he will be playing against Wigan."
Reaction
Asked about Dunne's reaction to being axed, Houllier said: "It is not a punishment when you play a behind-closed-doors game to help players keep their fitness.
"It is a punishment when you don't play at all, when you are left out, but I had a lot of players who either had not played for a long time or needed a game to restart like Nigel Reo-Coker.
"We wanted to have that game. We would probably have done it a week or two earlier but because of the snow we couldn't do it so it was an ideal opportunity to have it with Leicester."
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"Hopefully there will be at least one signing or two. Is that enough? We are surviving this year and also we have got some young players coming up," Houllier said.
I don't get it, this is the second time he has said this season is about survival.
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"Hopefully there will be at least one signing or two. Is that enough? We are surviving this year and also we have got some young players coming up," Houllier said.
I don't get it, this is the second time he has said this season is about survival.
Maybe it's 'surviving' as in coping with the injuries and depleted squad, as well as with the assorted bollocks that has been aimed his way.
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If anyone's been talking bollocks lately, it's the Villa manager.
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Houlier would not get a job as a diplomat based upon his serial PR disasters since joining us. If you look at Fergie and the way he handles the media, GH could take note. I like a lot of what he does but I worry that he is concerned more about himself than he is about The Villa
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for fucks sake how long has Fergie been charge of manu wasn't he one game from a sacking 20 odd years ago Give GH a chance
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Does Fergie handle the media well?
He hasn't spoken to the BBC for five years for fuck sake. It's a bit like someone saying I handle women well.
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What you do with your microphone is really no businesss of ours. I mean. Really.
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Houllier is quoted in the press today confirming that Stephen Ireland has told him he wants to leave and also saying he hopes to get £8m back for him.
Also houllier quotes as saying 'it's a huge shock to come from Manchester city to here' - what exactly does he mean by that? Is he saying we are a huge step down , I don't think we will get our money back but now houllier has confirmed Ireland will be going at least we know why he is nit in the squad- interesting houllier quoted in mirror as saying there may be other players not in the team will probably be leaving in January as well as Ireland.
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I really am not seeing what the issue is with what GH is saying. The manager is the boss, and the players need to follow in line. That's how it is at other major clubs like Man U, Arsenal, Barcelona etc so it should be good enough for us. The senior players, instead of moaning about it need to take a leadership role in the new direction. Unless I'm missing something we haven't won much in a good while, so we don't have room for passengers. Every player has to pull their weight for us to be successful. They should leave if they're not interested.
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Houlier would not get a job as a diplomat based upon his serial PR disasters since joining us.
I agree that his actions at Anfield were unfortunate, but taling about "serial PR disasters" is wrong. He should avoid washing dirty laundry in public, but he cannot behave like Comical Ali either. He would look ridiculous if he claimed that everyone was happy if the press knows that several players are not. Instead, he admits that some doesn't like him and his methods ("but we have to live with that"), but refuses to name names and plays downs specific (reported) incidents like the Dunne episode. I think this is the right approach.
My guess is that Houllier has put some players out of their comfort zone. Some of them has reacted badly to this, and Houllier perceives this a lack of competitiveness (or a willingness to adapt to get better) and professionalsm.
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Houllier is doing his job, being the manager. He is exerting his authority and it's up to the players to adapt to it, hopefully when the injuries clear we will see the results on the pitch a bit more.
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Houllier is destroying our club, he is clueless, doesn't practise what he preaches and has his favourites. under him we wil never achieve a top 6 finish, never mind a top 4 one!
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Houllier is destroying our club, he is clueless, doesn't practise what he preaches and has his favourites. under him we wil never achieve a top 6 finish, never mind a top 4 one!
Welcome Shay, I hope you've got your tin hat on.
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Seem to remember Ferguson upset a lot of the old guard when he arrived at the mancs. They were an underachieving team as well with a lot of players that promised much and delivered little. Players upset with new training methods because he doesn't want people like Dunne carrying two spare tyres? meh. carry on Houllier
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Cheers Villadawg. Have to say I am surprised that Houllier has as much support on here.
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Cheers Villadawg. Have to say I am surprised that Houllier has as much support on here.
I wasn't agreeing with you. I have misgivings about his regime so far and recognise how serious the situation is but we've no choice but to see it through with him for now.
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Cheers Villadawg. Have to say I am surprised that Houllier has as much support on here.
He's only been here ten minutes during which time he has had to put up with 27,365 injuries. Bit harsh to write him off already.
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Cheers Villadawg. Have to say I am surprised that Houllier has as much support on here.
He's only been here ten minutes during which time he has had to put up with 27,365 injuries. Bit harsh to write him off already.
We probably have enough MON threads, but, in addition to injuries, it also seems that the previous manager left some skeletons behind in the closets.
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I totally back GH with what he is doing. He's ruffling feathers, pricking egos and getting stuck into the job. The way Dunne has been playing this year he totally deserves every bit of stick that he gets from the manager, in my opinion. If Carew's attitude stinks then I want a manager strong enough to sort him out. Fair play to GH. I'm glad he's got the guts, hunger and fight for the job...it augurs well for us, surely?
Just to go back to what East 17 said:
Also houllier quotes as saying 'it's a huge shock to come from Manchester city to here'
I'm not sure that this is the whole quote in context. I think Houllier was saying that Ireland, simply, has found it a shock to leave the only club he has been at since moving to the UK. Manchester was his adopted home and he has found the whole process of moving and adapting to a new club a shock. There's no dig at Villa.
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Does anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that the Villa are probably one of only possibly 3 clubs in the league (man utd and maybe arsenal being the others) where, in a players v manager battle, it'll be the manager that wins out every time?
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Cheers Villadawg. Have to say I am surprised that Houllier has as much support on here.
He's only been here ten minutes during which time he has had to put up with 27,365 injuries. Bit harsh to write him off already.
We probably have enough MON threads, but, in addition to injuries, it also seems that the previous manager left some skeletons behind in the closets.
Not Dunne, obviously.
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I totally back GH with what he is doing. He's ruffling feathers, pricking egos and getting stuck into the job. The way Dunne has been playing this year he totally deserves every bit of stick that he gets from the manager, in my opinion. If Carew's attitude stinks then I want a manager strong enough to sort him out. Fair play to GH. I'm glad he's got the guts, hunger and fight for the job...it augurs well for us, surely?
Just to go back to what East 17 said:
Also houllier quotes as saying 'it's a huge shock to come from Manchester city to here'
I'm not sure that this is the whole quote in context. I think Houllier was saying that Ireland, simply, has found it a shock to leave the only club he has been at since moving to the UK. Manchester was his adopted home and he has found the whole process of moving and adapting to a new club a shock. There's no dig at Villa.
Absolutely agree with every word of this
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So all our injuries are the fault of manager who left over four months ago.
I always knew the O'Neill Hate Brigade were desperate, but really...
All this ice and snow, eh? Trust that bastard O'Neill!!!!!
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I love that comment: "pictured during the second half"...
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So all our injuries are the fault of manager who left over four months ago.
I always knew the O'Neill Hate Brigade were desperate, but really...
All this ice and snow, eh? Trust that bastard O'Neill!!!!!
Where is anyone saying that ? this thread is mainly discussing Houlliers treatment of under performing players
Get a grip
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Cheers Villadawg. Have to say I am surprised that Houllier has as much support on here.
i bet you are 12 arent you shay, if not instant results then sack the twat! I bet you were also one of many saying sack mon last year cause the football isnt very attractive! fuck finishing 6th for the love of some glory football and excitement! If you cannot see already what houllier is trying to do on the pitch then i do not respect your opinion! Houlier can obviously tell that some of our players cannot play his way, they can only play mons way! That is why they did well then. It comes as no surprise to me to see warnock struggling being 10 yards further away from our centre halves than the tight defensive unit we have been for the past 4 years. This was probably the reason why warnock was got rid of by liverpool because he couldnt play an expansive game! This is already the early signs with dunne! great player when asked to do the simple things of head and kick it away, but struggles with the pass bit!
Houllier needs time to sort the wheat from the chaff and get some of the primadonnas out of their comfort zone, and if that means the fucking irish elf has to go well so be it, even at a loss as he will balls up the development of our kids!
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So all our injuries are the fault of manager who left over four months ago.
I always knew the O'Neill Hate Brigade were desperate, but really...
All this ice and snow, eh? Trust that bastard O'Neill!!!!!
Eh? I don't think anyone is saying that unless you are taking jokes about him having some voodoo dolls of our players out seriously.
I don't think anyone could blame MoN for our injuries with a straight face.
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I really dont know what I make of GH at the moment.
Always dubious of anything I read in the press, there are so many agendas amongst those that write and those that feed information. My view on all these revolt things is that the names I have seen mentioned have between them cotributed the square root of nothing positive to our side this season - Beye has had a couple of awful games at left back, one of which cost us our European place, Carew and Ireland have put in no effort whatsoever and Dunne has, to steal the words of Curtis Davies 'a pub player'. My cynicism reaches a level where I even wonder whether these stories have been planted by Houlliers mob to try and generate a story that might halp him shift these players on huge wages come January....
The Liverpool stuff....the touching the sign, no problem, i'm sure hundreds of ex-players and childhood supporters have touched that sign when walkng out against Liverpool.....the comments were stupid and offensive to Villa fans but they were only words.
In terms of media, all managers have their favourite journos who they use to do some 'dirty work' - wasnt Benitez dripping his interest in Barry through the Scouse Echo and MON was always bigged up by the likes of Oliver Holt....guessing GH is not as popular with certain sections of media :-)
Tactically, I like the idea that we might try and pass the ball a bit, terrifed of why the defence has turned to jelly though....are we trying to defend higher up the pitch?? and teams are finding more room to get behind us?? hence needing different types of defenders in the side....and the likes of Dunne who defend the edge of the box are caught out more??
I'm not keen on ditching managers who have had no opportunity to shape the team how they want to
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I don't think GH has done a brilliant job, but given the circumstances, things could have been a lot worse.
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I don't think GH has done a brilliant job, but given the circumstances, things could have been a lot worse.
True.
I think overall hes done okayish considering the mitigating circumstances.
Positives in the young players being given a chance and the more appealing style of football at home.
Negatives in the poor away form, too many digs at players in public and the Liverpool saga.
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I think he's done a pretty poor job -even allowing for injuries- but don't think that changing jockey so soon after the other one bailed would look good.
Hopefully we can secure mid table respectability this season. If he does better than that I'd like to see him given the chance to push on again next year. If he does worse, hopefully he'll be man enough to fall on his own sword.
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Mid-table respectability? Fuck that. The league is tighter than a nun's chuff this year. If we failed to get top six and Bolton or Sunderland did I'd be disappointed. Still, 8th or 12th is all the one as long as we win the FA Cup.