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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: The Situation on December 11, 2010, 11:32:51 PM
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Just seen that interesting news on Sky Sports News... real kick in the balls if you're a citeh fan but hilarious if you're not. If Tevez really goes through with this (I smell another Rooney scenario perhaps?) it'll crush citeh because it doesn't matter how much money they'll throw at their latest and greatest player, no striker is going to get them the goals Tevez has got for them.
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39 goals in 60 games. You're right in that he will be impossible to replace.
How have the likes of Curbishley and Pardew kept him happy whilst Mancini hasn't?
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Just don't thinkhe fancies it over here. Been here for 3 or 4 years and still cannot speak the English. On top of that he regularly makes trips back to Argentina. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him move to Spain simply to be in a Spanish speaking country. The good thing about our precarious season to date is that we won't have 30 page threads moaning that we aren't showing ambition by trying to buy him.
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Yep, he's homesick.
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He'll be probably be off to La Liga... he MUST be Real Madrid's latest flavour of the month?
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39 goals in 60 games. You're right in that he will be impossible to replace.
That's a superb record, innit.
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Terrific news.
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He wants to play for a local club in Argentina that he played for before coming to Europe. He said the business stank here and he wanted out. He wants to go back the simple life where real supporters appreciated him and were who he wanted to play for; and be near his family. Last article I read anyway. So it is not just the money then?
Will the Citeh forego the business and let him for nothing? He has been messed around since he came here. Ethically I understand his thinking but does football anymore?
I think he has had enough; you could see it in his face on MOTD tonight.
Time will tell whether it is a cynical ploy or not..I don't think so.
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Can we swap him for Ireland, Brum is a little like Argentina (lots of letters in the name)!
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Citeh have rejected it
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...and if it's Spanish culture he's after, there's the Bullring...
Oh, too late.
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He wants to play for a local club in Argentina that he played for before coming to Europe. He said the business stank here and he wanted out. He wants to go back the simple life where real supporters appreciated him and were who he wanted to play for; and be near his family. Last article I read anyway. So it is not just the money then?
Will the Citeh forego the business and let him for nothing? He has been messed around since he came here. Ethically I understand his thinking but does football anymore?
I think he has had enough; you could see it in his face on MOTD tonight.
Time will tell whether it is a cynical ploy or not..I don't think so.
Fair play to him if that's the case.
I too can see him ending up in Spain though - I think the climate here is pissing him off being Sth American.
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It's because is daughters are in Argentina and he say's he is missing them.
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If he does end up in Brum..he can get a part in pantomime as an ugly sister?
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Bid in Jan?
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Bid in Jan?
A swap for Ireland maybe?
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I think we should have a blanket ban on signing anyone from club.
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I'd take Milner back.
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I would have Milner back like a shot. And Adam Johnson. And Lescott. And Given. Apart from that...
Tevez I would think will stick it out till May and then either buy himself out or engineer a loan deal back to Argentina.
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No South American club could afford him; I predict Barca or RM (no surprise) and a clause he can naff off to Argie-land very now and again.
Funny though. ;D
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We have the Bodega Bar. Will that do him?
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I too would have Milner back we have missed him since he went.
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Isn't one of his daughters ill?
In which case they should just let him go. I've always liked Tevez.
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I would thought Tevez will bring his family over to England. It will make him happier.
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Tevez has released a statement saying he thinks he has played his last game for Man City! Hilarious
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It's too him long enough to realise he's homesick.
Real Madrid it is then.
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From what I've heard on radio etc, his family were over here, he wanted his kids to grow up in England.
But his wife and kids have moved back to Argentina because they don't like it here, now he wants too go.
So Real Madrid? Or back to Boca Juniors?
The commentator on the Real game that has just finished said Real Madrid will definitely be buying a striker in January, so who knows?
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Bid in Jan?
12m + Carew. We won't do business unless they have Carew.
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Tevez has released a statement saying he thinks he has played his last game for Man City! Hilarious
And Citeh have released a statement telling him to ''go fuck,you are staying! even funnier.
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The same City statement says he is the best paid player at the club, as it was widely reported that Toure was getting around £200k a week he cant need the signing on fee a move would get him....can he?
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So, this breakdown with key (non Mancini) figures at the club, I imagine it was along the lines of:
The Vile Kia Joorabchian: "We want more money"
The Vile Garry Cook: "No"
TVKJ: "We want more money"
TVGC: "No"
Carlos Tevez: "I've fallen out with key figures at the club"
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I can understand Man City's annoyance though because Tevez wanted out in the summer apparently and the agent and the club came to an agreement to give him a better deal and he signed it. Now, only 4 months later, to want out seems quite odd.
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Tevez is owned by his agent, he is like the old time prize fighter that has to do what he is told, apparently his agent has been trying to renegotiate his contract all year and then this happens, Sadly Tevez is just a piece of Meat. Its sad
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I am trying ever so hard to give a shit about the millionaire Carlos Tevez and the global superbrand that is Manchester City Football Club. It is like trying to get wood while having a bath with Ann Widdecombe
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I am trying ever so hard to give a shit about the millionaire Carlos Tevez and the global superbrand that is Manchester City Football Club. It is like trying to get wood while having a bath with Ann Widdecombe
Absolutely agree.
I just spotted Henry Winter on Twitter saying how bad it was for football if he leaves, and City still have "Toure, De Jong, Silva, Milner, fans". It made me feel so bilious, I, err, "unfollowed" him.
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I think its bad for the Premier league if it leaves but not for man city. They'll just go and sign someone else.
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286k a week tax free and you still think it is about money. Tevez wants out for some reason, but money ain't it I am sure.
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He doesn't want to get typecast in the teams christmas panto?
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I am trying ever so hard to give a shit about the millionaire Carlos Tevez and the global superbrand that is Manchester City Football Club. It is like trying to get wood while having a bath with Ann Widdecombe
Absolutely agree.
I just spotted Henry Winter on Twitter saying how bad it was for football if he leaves, and City still have "Toure, De Jong, Silva, Milner, fans". It made me feel so bilious, I, err, "unfollowed" him.
Winter was saying the same thing on R5L about Ancelotti, Winter is a sanctimonious twat, its a bit like the Westminster Village with some of these Journos, they actually think that thier opinions are Law and important. The only people who give a fcuk about who manages Chelsea are Chelsea fans
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I am trying ever so hard to give a shit about the millionaire Carlos Tevez and the global superbrand that is Manchester City Football Club. It is like trying to get wood while having a bath with Ann Widdecombe
Absolutely agree.
I just spotted Henry Winter on Twitter saying how bad it was for football if he leaves, and City still have "Toure, De Jong, Silva, Milner, fans". It made me feel so bilious, I, err, "unfollowed" him.
Winter was saying the same thing on R5L about Ancelotti, Winter is a sanctimonious twat, its a bit like the Westminster Village with some of these Journos, they actually think that thier opinions are Law and important. The only people who give a fcuk about who manages Chelsea are Chelsea fans
He certainly is sanctimonious.
He was the one who also referred to MON as "too good for the game" a short while ago. It's unfortunate, as he occasionally writes some very good stuff, but his propensity to come up with the occasional piece of gut wrenching sycophancy (towards plenty of targets) spoils it.
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I am trying ever so hard to give a shit about the millionaire Carlos Tevez and the global superbrand that is Manchester City Football Club. It is like trying to get wood while having a bath with Ann Widdecombe
Absolutely agree.
I just spotted Henry Winter on Twitter saying how bad it was for football if he leaves, and City still have "Toure, De Jong, Silva, Milner, fans". It made me feel so bilious, I, err, "unfollowed" him.
Winter was saying the same thing on R5L about Ancelotti, Winter is a sanctimonious twat, its a bit like the Westminster Village with some of these Journos, they actually think that thier opinions are Law and important. The only people who give a fcuk about who manages Chelsea are Chelsea fans
He certainly is sanctimonious.
He was the one who also referred to MON as "too good for the game" a short while ago. It's unfortunate, as he occasionally writes some very good stuff, but his propensity to come up with the occasional piece of gut wrenching sycophancy (towards plenty of targets) spoils it.
Agree, for me Paul Hayward manages to write inteligently without the arrogance that Winter displays
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The plain truth though is without Tevez they don't make Europe, his goals have been crucial. I watched them against Bolton and there were four players on the pitch that not long ago all played for us, three of them would probably walk into our side now. I hope Milner is getting satisfaction (not) from all the football he's playing, does money compensate for all the memories your losing when sitting on the bench?
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Gary Cock is the problem I guess from Tevez's comments.
I hope he gets sacked because of it.
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The plain truth though is without Tevez they don't make Europe
He's a big player for them but if he goes they will buy someone else and even if they don't Adebayor is capable of getting plenty of goals if he gets a run in the team.
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Balotelli Adeeyor Tevez, if Citeh manage to achieve somethng it will be the first time that a team has managed to do it without a team togetherness
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Fuck Tevez and Fuck man city. I hope they both drown in the pits of greed they have helped create and neither are ever heard of again.
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But tell us what you think, PWS. :)
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Balotelli Adeeyor Tevez, if Citeh manage to achieve somethng it will be the first time that a team has managed to do it without a team togetherness
Not sure about that. I think they're all together at the Ferrari owners club.
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Winter was saying the same thing on R5L about Ancelotti, Winter is a sanctimonious twat,
Winter also stated in the Times on Saturday, that Anderson was a 'wimp' for going home for the birth of his child mid-Ashes.
Twerp.
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I hope the hideous little scrote does quit football. Who the hell does he think he is?
Mind you, if he's fallen out with that bell end Garry Cook he might have more sense than I'd thought.
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In an odd sort of way I want Man City to win the league for no other reason than to show to Chelsea, Man Utd and even Spurs that it is possible to buy the league title. Then I remind myself I don't really care about any of them or Tevez & co.
I read that Tevez said he would quit football all together if they don't let him go. Be interesting to see if he carries that out, his representative -or is that his owner? - would no doubt be thrilled at that prospect.
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Can't see how this impasse would be solved. If he wants to go back to Argentina to be with his wife and kids (can't blame him if true) then Boca Juniors aren't going to be able to afford £40m for his services.
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Yes, I'm sure Kia Joorabchian will be encouraging his client to quit laying golden eggs in order to spend more time with his goslings
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He has split from the wife. He spent this weekend with his new girlfriend in Spain. Not taking the opportunity to see his kids. His owner is allegedly looking for half a million pounds a week tax free.
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He has split from the wife. He spent this weekend with his new girlfriend in Spain. Not taking the opportunity to see his kids. His owner is allegedly looking for half a million pounds a week tax free.
I hope he gets it, that would generate £10 million a year in tax.
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Can't see how this impasse would be solved. If he wants to go back to Argentina to be with his wife and kids (can't blame him if true) then Boca Juniors aren't going to be able to afford £40m for his services.
That's what makes this so amusing.
"I want to go back to SA" is flawed from the start, because as you said nobody will be able to afford him. I suspect this will mutate into "well, if not to SA, at least to a Spanish speaking country", which is then going to wind up with him at Real Madrid.
This is the flip side of City having all that money - very good, very expensive players, but with absolutely zero feeling for the club and constantly asking for more - even by the low standards of top flight footballers in general.
Amusing, though, it makes that Welcome to Manchester poster even more pathetic and small time than it was.
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer club
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I've decided to take Tevez's side on this.
Mainly as:-
A) I don't like Garry Cook and
B) It should mean that Tevez doesn't play against us on the 28th December
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On the amount of money Tevez is reported to be earning he would surely be able to buy/build his own village, fill it with family members/other spanish-speaking people, and employ a gaggle of interpreters to do all the hard work (paying bills, ordering at the restaurant) for them. This would surely reduce the homesickness substantially, I would imagine.
If I lived in a foreign country, I would expect to be able to communicate fairly fluently in the national tongue within two years maximum. How long has Tevez been in the UK now?
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I am still confused as to whether this Tevez thing is due to money or that he wants to play in his home country where, as has been said, he wouldn't get anywhere near the money he's on at Citeh never mind a massive pay increase.
Maybe he's asked for a massive pay increase to soften the blow of having to play for Citeh and they turned him down, thus the falling out.
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I suspect it isn't so much about the day to day stuff - paying bills, doing the shopping etc - but the cultural differences, which would be considerable between here and South America.
I do think, though, that learning the language is an essential first step to getting some cultural awareness, and actually getting something out of living and working in a foreign country (beyond the 250 large a week, which must be nice).
When i lived abroad in the mid 90s, there was no easy way to get English satellite telly, there was no such thing as streaming stuff across the internet, and the web itself was in its early days. That forced me to start to engage with both the language and the culture, whereas nowadays, being an expat anywhere is both easier (you get to watch South American telenovelas all day if you want), but more solitary (you've no impetus to explore the host culture).
Having said that, I imagine it'll turn out to be the sort of problem which a huge amount of money will "fix"
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We can but surmise.
Maybe his constant toing and froing back home has pissed the hierarchy off.
I think it's Barca or Real next.
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I've seen talk of him retiring completely
Must be nice to retire at 26!
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I've seen talk of him retiring completely
Must be nice to retire at 26!
Man Citeh is a wealthy club without any soul - even the new stadium is soulless.
I see him as the type of guy who really enjoys playing the game, but needs to be with a club where he is appreciated.
Can't see him retiring, but that's clearly up to him - most Prem footballers can retire in theory after a few seasons in the first team on between £1 and God knows how many million £'s a year.
Even the 'poorest' can amass a couple of mill in 3 seasons !
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Danny Pugsley the editor of Citeh fanzine Bitter and Blue is on Channel 4 news. His take on it is that it is all about his owner/agent/representative screwing more money out of the club.
All the lot of them should have got a good legal slapping when they used West Ham to bend very clear FA rules. In short Tevez and his representative have been taking the piss for years. If the club tore up his existing contract and offered him an extra hundred grand a week the homesickness and yearning to be with his daughters would be forgotten. For a while anyway.
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When you put yourself up as a club that has limitless funds, a club that doesn't so much scout it's own players but rapes other clubs for theirs by promising the world, is it any surprise when they (or, rather, their agents) stick their hands out for more?
I hope and pray that this whole saga is something that's been engineered by Kia Joorabchian and that Man City let him have his way. Because every other player's agent will be outside Gary Cock's door with his hand out for more. Way more. And that would be really funny.
Man City...nothing really to do with football or the real world, is it?
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In an odd sort of way I want Man City to win the league for no other reason than to show to Chelsea, Man Utd and even Spurs that it is possible to buy the league title.
I would have thought that Chelsea at least would already be well aware of that since they did it themselves.
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i would love it if that horrid little club imploded...
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Man City...nothing really to do with football or the real world, is it?
Certainly had an adverse effect on matters football imo.
They would argue that they've put a great deal of money into the game, and they have, but it isn't clever and it isn't funny.
When ( and it is when, not if) they win something, it will all seem so hollow, and 'what's next?' Citeh fans will ask - a bit like the rich parents daughter who's given a Mini Convertible on passing her driving test - only to want a BMW Coupe Conv after 12 months.
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This is funny......
Interesting read from Football365 Mediawatch.
Sacrificial Lamb
Carlos Tevez, December 7: "I'm happy here. I really am. I do miss my family, just like anyone would when they are not around. But I don't see retirement happening for a long time to come. A sacrifice has to be made when you make a commitment like I have done with City and it is something I am going to see through. Once that job is done I will have plenty of time with my kids."
Carlos Tevez, December 12: "I wanted to leave in the summer, but was convinced to return to the club. Sadly, my feelings have not changed."
A Brief History Of Carlos Tevez
The boy's got form...
Boca Juniors (2001-2004)
Tevez forces his way out of the club claiming that the press intrusion in Argentina is too much for him and his family and the club aren't doing enough to support him. Public bust-up with manager also ensues.
Claims he loves the club and supporters, and always will.
Time at club: Two-and-a-half seasons.
Corinthians (2005-2006)
Tevez forces his way out of the club, going on strike, after arguments - some physical - with teammates, the head coach and the club president.
Claims he loves the club and supporters, and always will.
Time at club: One season.
West Ham (2006-2007)
Tevez almost immediately falls out with the manager and players. Storms off and threatens to go on strike after being substituted. Goes AWOL to Argentina at one point.
Claims he loves the club and supporters, and always will.
Time at club: One season.
Manchester United (2007-2009)
Tevez complains of being fatigued and overplayed in his first season. In his second, he complains of being underplayed - drama queening it every time he's taken off - managing just five goals, despite playing more minutes than the league's third top scorer Fernando Torres. Parting shot of "I'll scream in Ferguson's face when I score against them".
Claims he loves the club and supporters, and always will.
Time at club: Two seasons.
Manchester City (2009-????)
Tevez is tired, homesick, wants to retire, takes time off to see his daughter and is caught on camera spending that time allegedly banging his mistress (the actually banging remains unphotographed), feels there's too much greed in football despite being the highest-paid player in Britain, hates football in general yet throws a wobbly every time he's taken off, wants his old life back, hates the club executives, claims that he would like to punch his young teammates and finally hands in a transfer request.
Claims he loves the club and supporters, and always will.
Time at club: One-and-a-half seasons so far, some of it begrudgingly.
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He's a bit of a whore really isn't he.
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i would love it if that horrid little club imploded...
"Small" and "horrid". Yep, that's us summed up. We've won the lottery and it certainly brings out the best in the neighbours. The interesting thing is the way some fans think that their own players are somehow playing out of love for the club and that City's "misfortune" as regards Tevez is some sort of divine retribution for "selling our soul", "ruining football" and all the other cliches beloved of the red tops.
Well, sorry to disabuse you but a professional footballer is just that, a professional footballer. He plays for the money, not the same reasons you and I play for. Not turning out on the local rec of a freezing Sunday morning, dodging dog turds and having the other team's manager as ref, but actually paying for the "privilege" too, no siree.
I genuinely would like all the rest of the teams outside the European cartel to win the lottery too so there actually was a level playing field. City fans know that we'll never play in the Champions league, it's a closed shop and Platini's protectionist rules are designed to keep it that way. Just so long as you realise that if you do get lucky, you won't either.
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Not all professional footballers are mercenary ******. Though I'll concede that most of them seem to be.
But even if Villa did win the lottery as this scummy lot have, we'd not be giving it the big one over our much bigger, far more successful neighbours....cuz we ARE the much bigger, far more successful neighbours!
I'd also hope that we'd retain at least some faith in our academy and in the local lads it's coughed up: players like Agbonlahor and Albrighton. Certainly I'd love to see a mix of the local lads and some international stars. But it would have to be a mix for me to really enjoy it. Otherwise it's soul-less, pointless and empty.
Which describes Man City's Stadium, history and trophy cabinet.
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This, in my opinion, is just another round of Rooney-esque negotiation. This time next week he'll have signed a bumper new contract and will be friends again with everyone at Citeh.
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I'd also hope that we'd retain at least some faith in our academy and in the local lads it's coughed up: players like Agbonlahor and Albrighton. Certainly I'd love to see a mix of the local lads and some international stars. But it would have to be a mix for me to really enjoy it. Otherwise it's soul-less, pointless and empty.
Or for Man City, the likes of say Micah Richards or Joe Hart?
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The Times seems to think this is all the work of Joorabchian, who's fallen out of favour at City, once more manipulating his pawn Tevez.
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I'd also hope that we'd retain at least some faith in our academy and in the local lads it's coughed up: players like Agbonlahor and Albrighton. Certainly I'd love to see a mix of the local lads and some international stars. But it would have to be a mix for me to really enjoy it. Otherwise it's soul-less, pointless and empty.
Or for Man City, the likes of say Micah Richards or Joe Hart?
Eh?
Not quite the same is it, Dave.
Gabby and Marc are local lads that have been with Villa since they were only a little more developed than sperm.
Richards is from Leeds and Joe Hart had no connection whatsoever with Manchester until they bought him a few years back. And are either of them Man Citeh fans? Doubt it.
My point being that, a few months ago, many people would have gladly had Tevez in the Villa side than Gabby. Me included. But now look at the ******. He doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to play for them. He's there for the money. Pure and simple. Actually, it seems he's not just there for the money he's on now but the money he could be on next week if he cries long and hard enough.
Stick what is by modern standards a modest contract in fron tof Gabby and what did he do? He signed the fucker. He's here for life and he'll love every minute of it, too.
There's a certain sense of pride for me that we've got stars in our side that are not only local lads, not only developed by Villa but are Villa fans. Sure, I'd love to have some of the players those pricks have pimped but certainly not a whole team of them and not at the expense of having some playing roots in the City where we're based.
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Hart didn't come through their academy, they bought him from Shrewsbury for about a million quid.
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Football nowadays is eating itself and while you have a grotesque club willing to feed like citeh, the only way to compete is home grown talent.
There's got to be a salary cap introduced at some stage.
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Reading between the lines Tevez is pissed off with Cook because they didn't qualify for the CL, you'd think that Tevez might be in a better position to influence that than Cook is.
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If only, we'd kept Big Marlon, what a swap deal this could have been!
Okay, okay...
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Reading between the lines Tevez is pissed off with Cook because they didn't qualify for the CL, you'd think that Tevez might be in a better position to influence that than Cook is.
To be fair, Tevez has been superb since he went there, I don't think he could have done any better. It's the shit around him last season that didn't help.
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If he really is homesisk then surely he will surface at a club in Argentina.
No, I don't think it will happen either.
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I reckon Villa should start poaching some of Man City's academy staff as they are pretty much wasting their time despite being pretty good at it. I'm not advocating replacing anyone at Villa, just expanding our existing excellent team.
If it is our future, our main hope of success then we might as well go large.
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He's a bit of a whore really isn't he.
I'd be a whore for £280k per week, what a disgrace
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And this shit is on a Villa site because......?
It's not exactly like we could afford his wage is it.
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And this shit is on a Villa site because......?
It's not exactly like we could afford his wage is it.
At a guess I'd say it's because people want to talk about it.
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and we are playing them soon and it could impact on our game.
:)