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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Archie on December 09, 2010, 01:13:37 AM

Title: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Archie on December 09, 2010, 01:13:37 AM
I'm trying to overcome the bitterness for the indecent performance ad Anfield, probably the game worst "prepared" by an Aston Villa manager that I have ever seen.
Thank you, monsieur Hoola-Kop.

If the manager continues not to motivate the players, and if the players continue in their lack of will power, the season is settled.     

But I wonder if a change in the formation could help us to improve our play.
I think that the answer could be to pass from the current 4-2-3-1 (or 4-5-1) to the classic 4-4-2,  that allows the 60% of the players to the 60% of the park.
With this formation we could kill two birds with one stone: to get rid of the pair Dunne & Collins in defence and to acquire more consistency upfront.
The starting XI could be:

Friedel
Lichay - Clark - Cuellar - Warnock (yes, dramatic lack of alternatives in this role)
Albrighton - Bannan - Downing - A. Young
Heskey   - Agbonlahor 
 
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: *shellac* on December 09, 2010, 01:40:53 AM
Albrighton - Bannan - Downing - A. Young
The central midfield is too lightweight, it will be ripped to shreds by most teams.

We need a destroyer in there somewhere, someone who could break up opposition play and spray hollywood passes to the wingers.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 09, 2010, 03:25:01 AM
What he said.  Plus we are probably strongest (in numbers at least) in the attacking midfield position so there is logic in having a formation that gets as many of these players on the pitch.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on December 09, 2010, 07:30:55 AM
Too lightweight

Lets face it were missing NRC
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Archie on December 09, 2010, 07:34:05 AM
Yes, the midfield is lightweigh, but even Hogg and Bannan are lightweighs in the 4-2-3-1.
We must sign a strong  CM or wait for the return of NRC.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 09, 2010, 08:58:29 AM
Albrighton - Bannan - Downing - A. Young
Terrible, that's 3 wingers, effectively 4, as up till recently, Bannan was one.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: *shellac* on December 09, 2010, 09:03:48 AM
Albrighton - Bannan - Downing - A. Young
Terrible, that's 3 wingers, effectively 4, as up till recently, Bannan was one.
Yeah I know.

See post number two, reply number one for this thread.  :)
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: darren woolley on December 09, 2010, 09:26:09 AM
I myself can't wait untill NRC comes back to give us that bite in midfield we have certainly missed him in there since he has been out.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Wayne Crutchley on December 09, 2010, 09:39:48 AM
The problem will be solved in the New Year when Ashley Young departs. Downing down the left, Albrighton on the right and NRC and Bannon in the middle.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 09, 2010, 09:41:12 AM
Albrighton - Bannan - Downing - A. Young
Terrible, that's 3 wingers, effectively 4, as up till recently, Bannan was one.
Yeah I know.

See post number two, reply number one for this thread.  :)

Opps, sorry Shellac.
It was Archie who posted that suicidal midfield formation.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Archie on December 09, 2010, 09:48:07 AM
The problem will be solved in the New Year when Ashley Young departs. Downing down the left, Albrighton on the right and NRC and Bannon in the middle.

Yes, and as far as Downing is concerned, I have thought to him as CM not as the best possible option, but as a solution until NRC is fit, Downing played CM many times last season.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Concrete John on December 09, 2010, 09:49:20 AM
The problem will be solved in the New Year when Ashley Young departs. Downing down the left, Albrighton on the right and NRC and Bannon in the middle.

Although nobody would want to see Ash go, that midfield does seem to have a good balance to it.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: frank on December 09, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
I think that the answer could be to pass from the current 4-2-3-1 (or 4-5-1) to the classic 4-4-2,  that allows the 60% of the players to the 60% of the park.
Although we were pretty dire against Liverpool, I thought we had our best moments early in the second half when Gabby was paired with Delfouneso. (Unfortunately, Liverpool then scored on the break, and that was that). Although Delfouneso had one of his better games that night, I'm still not convinced that he'll develop into an effective striker at the top level, so should we play Gabby and Heskey up front against West Brom?
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 09, 2010, 10:33:08 AM
Albrighton NRC Bannan Downing
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on December 09, 2010, 10:33:45 AM
The problem will be solved in the New Year when Ashley Young departs. Downing down the left, Albrighton on the right and NRC and Bannon in the middle.

Although nobody would want to see Ash go, that midfield does seem to have a good balance to it.

We  missed him on Monday despite everyone suddenly thinking he's wank
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 09, 2010, 10:46:12 AM
The problem will be solved in the New Year when Ashley Young departs. Downing down the left, Albrighton on the right and NRC and Bannon in the middle.

Although nobody would want to see Ash go, that midfield does seem to have a good balance to it.

We  missed him on Monday despite everyone suddenly thinking he's wank

Your right we did miss him. It's not that people think he's shit (although his form has dropped off) it's more the petulent side to his game and that he insists on taking most of the set pieces when other players could deliver a better ball that gets on my nerves. Its like he's been here the longest so he takes everything.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Shrek on December 09, 2010, 11:12:56 AM
we were like two different teams against Aresnal after we switched to 442.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Archie on December 15, 2010, 02:09:40 PM
In fact, the two players I was most pleased with yesterday (not necessarily the same as our best performers) were Lichaj and Hogg.

(. . . ) Hogg for his tenacity, ability to make the simple pass when needed, and excellently timed tackles.

He's like NRC without the marauding runs but with a better passing ability.

Yes. I hope that  Hogg can mantain his place in the starting XI, he  could be the holding midfielder in the future formation (assuming that it will be a 4-1-2-3), behind Bannan and Delph.  But if we pass to 4-4-2, as Albrighton and Young or Downing will be sure on the flanks,  one of the three CM will be dropped for the second striker.
Title: Re: Could we be comfortable with the 4-4-2?
Post by: Shrek on December 15, 2010, 07:09:13 PM
We are massively missing NRC, mind we have been missing him for the last 2 seasons.
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