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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 06, 2010, 12:28:57 PM
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Available Monday night.
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Dire.
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Wank
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That was as bad as watching GT2 or DOL's final season. I'm not losing faith but it's fucking hard to watch those players. I've no emotional attachment with most of those players.
We need a left back, a centre back, a keeper, a holding player and a centre forward.
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Pathetic. Gutless. Useless.
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Disgusting.
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Fear. Emptiness. Despair.
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Dross
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I'm speechless.
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the scoreline says it all.
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Randy needs to get a grip and sort the fucking ship out before it sinks...
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What is Ireland for?
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******
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Totally disgusting.
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Terrible. Hogg, Ireland, Delfouneso and Downing only ones that can take any credit. Dunne an embarrassment with Collins not far behind. Why CC is not playing I do not know.
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Well that was shit.
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I heard Scunthorpe's a nice trip?
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Randy needs to get a grip and sort the fucking ship out before it sinks...
No doubt he'll just hide in silence as ever.
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You'd think loosing to the shit on Wednesday would have been the kick up the arse they needed.
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New Low. I'll give Downing credit, he tried hard for the whole of the game.
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What is Ireland for?
good place for fishing
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When GH was appointed I don’t think anybody could argue with his CV. But I am really starting to worry if he really has enough passion, interest or energy to keep us up never mind compete. He really looked like he didn’t give a shit tonight.
Tonight was a disgrace.
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utterly depressing. Totally devoid of passion. Too many players out there who are not fit to wear the shirt.
I fear that a relegation battle awaits us. We appear to have that stench about us now.
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>:(Nice little wave from gerard to his adoring Kop at the end
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I felt more hopeful of a win under DOL than this spineless twat.
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We're in the shit, let's not kid ourselves otherwise.
I don't care whose fault it may or may not be; but everyone now associated with the club needs to wake up and get this sorted.
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Every single one of those players should have been made to go to our fans and hand over their shirts and boots.
Awful.
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HE WAVED AT THE FUCKING KOP !!!!
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Deja Vu...................Billy McNeill
God i need a drink
We are sinking fast
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Don't even pretend like you didn't see it coming.
I would normally say hang on to Houllier but with Houghton getting the sack, and with Martin Jol seemingly headed for Newcastle, I'd definitely consider Chris Houghton.
Should we lost to West Brom.
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I was very happy to return to the club I brought into the 21st century. My team won the Champions' League in 2005. Fantastic feeling touching the Anfield sign in the tunnel again, I Managed a semi even with the cold. Villa? Let's just survive, eh?
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Embarrassing.
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2 games away near me next year swnsa and bluebirds....in the championship
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Friedel: 5 - did nothing wrong but suddenly looks very old
Warnock: 0 - twat
Dunne: 0 - twat
Collins: 0 - twat
Young: 1 - pretty much a twat
Hogg: 4 - better second half
Clark: 1 - useless, not a midfielder
Downing: 6 - our best player based on the second half but still very wasteful. Useless first half
Ireland: 0 - twat
Gabby: 6 - he tried, shouldn't have gone off
Carew: 0 - twat
Delfouneso: 3 - don't think he will make it
Pires: 0 - thought I saw him come on but he must have gone off almost immediately because I never saw him again
Have I missed anyone because they are all instantly forgettable...
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Resign now Gerard. Please just resign. If you have doubts, stop kissing the iconic signs of the opposition and then take a look at the record of Billy McNeill.
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Did my eyes decieve me did Houllier wave to the cop and ignore the Villa fans
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Apalling. MoN has truly fucked us but Houllier should be doing better. The current formation does not and has not been working. We create sweet FA and we need goals. The defence is laughable and to think MoN paid £17m for 3 of them makes me want to cry. I feel sick.
Totally unacceptable. I see Gerard waved to the Kop at the end, wonder if he waved at the loyal Villa fans who paid £40+ for that!
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When we lost five nil a couple of years ago I told my very feminist boss we had been "anally raped" on National TV. I cant tell you how well that went down! I will choose my words more wisely tomorrow but have the same feeling
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wins for fulham and wigan at the weekend and were in the bottom 3 with a shit hard christmas run-in
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we are in the shit.
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Oh Arse, Arse Sandwich, Arse cake, Arse Roll, Arse dip - Just arse, ARSE!
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What is Ireland for?
Guiness
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That ****** Houllier touched the Anfield sign at half time, then waved at the fucking Kop at the final whistle. ******!
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Under MON we had Plan A and no Plan B. But it was mostly a pretty effective Plan A.
I''ve seen nothing from Houllier so far to indicate we even have a Plan A apart from passing it amongst the back four a few times.
The players seem to be playing like they haven't a clue what's expected of them.
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At the start of the season i was like feck all these draws it's win or lose, now we can't even draw, don't mention winning .....
Another shocking display of football. :'(
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I'm delighted i'm on a shite PC that won't cope with a live stream. Watching it on the BBC videprinter was bad enough. Something is seriously wrong at Villa Park at present, and we can't keep blaming it on MON.
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Complete garbage and exactly what I expected when we chose this manager. I am with my friend Bad English in believing this Houllier debacle was always going to end in tears. The one I feel really sorry for is Kevin McDonald to be overlooked in favour of this old tosser.
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The irony is that maybe Liverpool's fans don't love him as much as he loves them. There was a banner held up by the kop a little while ago that was a tribute to all the managers that had won trophies there in the last 50 years and Houillier's was the only manager that wasn't included even though he won a treble in 2001.
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What has to happen before houllier shows any passion ? Tonight was embarrassing and our manager's lack of respect for us as a club has seriously pissed me off.
Touching the sign, waving to the Liverpool fans at the start was bad enough, but his wave to the kop while ignoring the Villa fans at the end....shameful.
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This is really now very worrying.
On this evidence, Im inclined to say Id take 17th position at the end of the season if it was guaranteed.
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Well folks, is there still anyone out there not worried about relegation ? If there is I admire yer optimisim.
We are fucked big time.
The best chance we have of getting any points on the board between now and F.A Cup 3rd round weekend are v Albion and Wigan.
Can you see us beating either of them? I can't.
This team ( management included ) are an embarassment.
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An absolute shower of shite. The defence has to change, Warnock is soo bad, Dunne looks lost, clueless and still too lardy. The midfield look they have no idea where they should be and what they should be doing. We miss Petrov, he protected the center backs more than I realised. It needs an almighty change of player attitude on Saturday- and that is where the manager earns is money. We are in trouble.
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The conduct of our manager tonight is way below what I expect before we even start on the players.
Shameful and disrespectful to those who pays his wages. It is not good enough.
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I am starting to believe the GH experiment won't work.
There can't be many teams where a new manager has had such a drastic NEGATIVE effect. You normally get that initial bounce, and increased impetus, but we didn't even get that. I don't like this quiet revolution
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Sigh. It's the good old Villa cycle - just look at a graph of our league positions since getting promotion. We can't go more than 5 seasons without an implosion of some sort. This season is very similar to GT Mk2: a manager unpopular with fans for his playing style, but who achieved consistent league placings, feels he doesn't have the board's backing, leaves us in the shit and an apparently past-it manager comes in to steer us into a relegation battle.
BTW, did Sky allude to the fact that GH has changed our defensive system from man-to-man to zonal or vice-versa? That would go some to explaining our defensive spasticity.
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Game over in 3 or 4 minutes.............. Worrying times ahead!
Why isn't Cuellar playing or Beye?
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After the behaviour of some of our "fans" on Wednesday I was ashamed after the performance of the 11 "men" on the pitch this evening I am embarrassed. This season was always going to be about 40 points but that looks a long long way off now - I am not sure I have ever been so scared about the rest of a season as I am now.
But putting the negativity to one side there are some bright spots, the youngsters coming through show immense promise and at times we have played some good football and been a joy to watch (OK I admit you need to block out a lot of bad stuff to remember this). I honestly believe that we are not too far away from having a decent side here, it is 40 points this season and then judge GH when he has had a full pre season.
Lets all keep the faith and start by roaring us to a win against the baggies on Saturday, it is now a must win game and we as the fans are probably going to have to lead from the front. It will be hard and we're all hurting right now but the alternative is not even worth considering.
UTV
Tom
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Delfouneso looked good, Downing was hardworking and didn't do a lot wrong, probably Irelands best performance for us and looked a lot better when we went to 442. Luke Young didn't disgrace himself and Brad snr wasvirtually redundant(bar picking the ball out of the net). The rest were woeful. Seems like the usual suspects of Dunne, Collins and Warnock were abysmal.
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If GH didnt wave to our fans who made the trip in this weather - he needs a bloody good talking to.
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I didn't see the Newcastle match, but that performance can't be far behind it. As soon as the first goal went in we all knew it was going to be a long night. All of them apart from Hogg and Downing who I thought ran their socks off without getting any reward, were shit. Thought Delfounso had some decent touches too.
I used to like Carew, but I think he touched the ball about 4 times in 25 minutes. Pires never got into the game at all and can anybody tell me where Ireland was? The back 4 were terrible and everytime Liverpool come forward I though they were going to score.
I haven't felt like this for ages but I really can't be arsed at the moment to sit in the cold and watch a load of fannying about. There is no urgency, no fight, no belief, look frail at the back, we can keep the ball but on the edge of our 18 yard box. Just shown on sky we had 60% possession and we did fuck all with it.
Fair play to those of you that went tonight, the way you sung all night was fantastic. Probably the only positive to take from a shocking night.
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Houlier has shown tonight that he is more concerned about how Liverpool fans percieve him than how Villa fans percieve him and that is a disgrace. I will not forgive him for this.
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I'm seen some dross in my time (going down since 86 as a fresh-faced eight year old) but that performance takes some beating.
Relegation is a definite I'm afraid. Wake up and smell the coffee Vila.
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F*ck off Houllier! F*ck off now!
How dare you disrespect our club like that!!
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Complete garbage and exactly what I expected when we chose this manager. I am with my friend Bad English in believing this Houllier debacle was always going to end in tears. The one I feel really sorry for is Kevin McDonald to be overlooked in favour of this old tosser.
Apart frfom West Ham what did he do that makes you think we'd be in a better position with KMac? If he was good enough he would be content with managing the the kids and reserves well into his 60's.
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Leave that French tw*t at Anfield and leave that 37 year old French poof Pires there with him........
He has more passion for them than he does with us - I said it the day we appointed him and I'll defy anyone to tell me otherwise.
Waving to the Kop and not the Villa end. Woeful.
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Sigh. It's the good old Villa cycle - just look at a graph of our league positions since getting promotion. We can't go more than 5 seasons without an implosion of some sort. This season is very similar to GT Mk2: a manager unpopular with fans for his playing style, but who achieved consistent league placings, feels he doesn't have the board's backing, leaves us in the shit and an apparently past-it manager comes in to steer us into a relegation battle.
BTW, did Sky allude to the fact that GH has changed our defensive system from man-to-man to zonal or vice-versa? That would go some to explaining our defensive spasticity.
Also, that they seem to have been instructed to bring the ball down and try to stroke the ball around, rather than clear their lines. I beleive it was Paul McGrath who coined the phrase 'They cant score from row Z'
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New Low. I'll give Downing credit, he tried hard for the whole of the game.
You're very generous. He was very poor again, playing for himself, not putting in a single tackle, not getting back to help out and he couldn't cross to save his life.. A different player to the beginning of the season. We just have a team full of passengers, Downing being one.
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well fellas
bottom 3 for xmas
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I was always in full support of Houllier but tonight he has disrespected our football club.Feel so sorry for our fans tonight they were fantastic tonight under the circumstances
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Fuck those two ****** on Sky sucking off Woy.
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I have TWEETED my disgust in FRENCH. That will show him.
(I have 18, yes EIGHTEEN followers)
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Fuck those two c***s on Sky sucking off Woy.
Messy in 3D I imagine
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BTW, did Sky allude to the fact that GH has changed our defensive system from man-to-man to zonal or vice-versa? That would go some to explaining our defensive spasticity.
Warnock just looks shocking and utterly devoid of any sort of confidence. I don't think that even a 10 man defence would help him at the moment, he just looks so clueless. Dunne is fat and needs to be dropped for a fit Carlos but the left back position is a real concern. Hopefully Luke can go there for a couple of games while Beye covers at right back.
The injury situation is the worst I've ever known but there's too much dead wood in the team, but they are all the seasoned players. I still don't think that we'll be relegated but on the other hand I don't have confidence in us being able to pull off an Everton style late season charge.
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I'm getting too used to this feeling after every Villa game, I know we need the injured players back and the calendar to read January 1st but something isn't right at Bodymoor or B6, come on Sid get into them.
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IIRC I'm sure we were 3-0 down and into the 60th odd minute before Friedal actually made a save.
We bring the Fonz on and we start to actually look slightly dangerous so the manager brings on Carew and Pires to allow Johnson freedom down the wing to attack as much as possible and to stop any movement we were having up front.
Plus point. We didn't let in a goal in the last 10 minutes. :o
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That was fucking shite. I don't know why I bother or suffer the agony.
Our defence is absolutely fucking abysmal. You could pick three random guys of this forum and put them next to Luke Young and still be better than those three Internationals. It is even worse than MoN selecting Cuellar who could do an acceptable but poor job at right back that our current boss selecting Dunne and Warnock with Cuellar, Lichaj and others available. Dunne in his present form just about has to be the worst centre back I've seen as a Villa fan (Though I've been lucky I guess as we've had some class players there. I don't know how a back four once so solid is now so crap. It is dreadful.
Gabby and Albrighton did little. Probably due to being just coming back from injury.
Ireland was Ireland sauntering about occasionally looking bright.
Clark was poor but he is no central midfield. Hogg was a bit better. It is unjustifiable that some choose to criticise him as he is a victim of circumstance and there are those far more deserving of criticism both on and off the pitch.
Delfouneso looked bright when he came on. He should be getting played more.
Downing tried stuff but did not to that great effect.
Really unhappy with our manager's behaviour. If I was a rival manager visiting the Villa I wouldn't behave like that. Total fucking shite. I'm still backing him but it is really poor form.
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Wake up and smell the coffee Vila.
Don't you spell it 'Viler'?
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Very poor - Albion is massive on sat, we need cuellar at centre half and to be honest having seen Albion yesterday I think we will be totally outplayed by them - Lerner should be over here till end of jan rather than spending time between browns and villa - we need leadership and I'm wondering if randy is still as committed as he once was!
Houllier will need a year at least to get this team sorted but he needs the backing of Lerner or we are fucked!
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Is that the most pathetic performance by a villa side ever, did we have even one shot on goal? I can take not playing well with all the injuries we have but not the lack of effort. Fair play to Downing, not a great shift but always tried whis is more than the rest of the squad. The Hogg experiment must end he tries but is not as yet good enough. Clark played as if he needs to catch his breath and what Cuellar has done to GH i Don't know but why he's not playing puzzles me. The only problem i have with GH is like our last three managers they're all looked back to what was not what is, we deserve better.
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Sigh. It's the good old Villa cycle - just look at a graph of our league positions since getting promotion. We can't go more than 5 seasons without an implosion of some sort. This season is very similar to GT Mk2: a manager unpopular with fans for his playing style, but who achieved consistent league placings, feels he doesn't have the board's backing, leaves us in the shit and an apparently past-it manager comes in to steer us into a relegation battle.
BTW, did Sky allude to the fact that GH has changed our defensive system from man-to-man to zonal or vice-versa? That would go some to explaining our defensive spasticity.
Also, that they seem to have been instructed to bring the ball down and try to stroke the ball around, rather than clear their lines. I beleive it was Paul McGrath who coined the phrase 'They cant score from row Z'
If I was in that defence I'd follow the Clough line.. "ignore what I said and go out there and enjoy yourselves."
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I do not think Kevin McDonald would touch the picture, wave to the kop then wave to the kop at the end and ignore our fans for a start. Perhaps his results would have been no better than this french poltroon but he would not have cost us twelve million and that twelve million could be spent on buying a player or two who really care.
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I totally agree with the antagonism towards Houillier tonight. We can all appreciate that Liverpool were important to him but he prostituted himself tonight. He degraded himself and Aston Villa Football Club. I don't want a manager who believes in and roots for another club. Our manager's don't have to have been Villa players or Villa fans (although that's great when it happens) but they at least have to be committed to our cause when they are with us. Houillier's gratuitous embrace of Liverpool FC tonight means he crossed a line for me and I'd rather someone else joined us who believes in us.
If I remember correctly, during the interview process for this job in the summer, Randy Lerner wanted a manager who showed an understanding of and belief in the traditions of Aston Villa. Perhaps Houillier was thinking of another club when he answered this question, eh?
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Well that was just dire. OK we have injuries - but so have Liverpool. And with no Gerrard or Torres they still didn't need to get out of second gear. Woeful.
West Brom and Wigan are now MUST win games - anything less followed by Spurs, Citeh and Chelsea and we'll really be in the shit.
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Did my eyes decieve me did Houllier wave to the cop and ignore the Villa fans
Say he didn't ignore the Villa fans. Can anyone confirm this?
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A truly pathetic performance from the team tonight. The kind of performance a group of players gives when they want the manager out, everyone pointing at one another, petulant fouling, no support play, no passion, the body language on some players was just shocking. I'm afraid we need someone with energy in charge someone to give the place a lift. Gerard Houllier is not that man and if possible a change should be made as we are heading for the Championship. No ifs buts etc. Tonight showed us up against a poor liverpool side.
Friedel 5 - didnt have much to do. One decent save
Young 6 - not too bad defensively
Dunne 4 - not great at all. cumbersome
Collins 3 - see above but worse
Warnock - just fuck off you gutless ******.
Albrighton 2 -hopeless
Hogg 4 - lost rodrigues for third goal, was lost generally but at least gave his best
Clark 2 - at fault for two goals in a nightmare half
Downing 5 - tried to be fair in the second half
Gabby 2 - diabolical. disgraceful attitude and non existent workrate
Ireland 4 - woeful in first half but improved a bit after the break
Fonz 6 - has a great touch was our only player that turned on the ball all night and again gave it a lash anyway
Carew & Pires - finished
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Delfouneso looked good, Downing was hardworking and didn't do a lot wrong, probably Irelands best performance for us and looked a lot better when we went to 442. Luke Young didn't disgrace himself and Brad snr wasvirtually redundant(bar picking the ball out of the net). The rest were woeful. Seems like the usual suspects of Dunne, Collins and Warnock were abysmal.
Ireland, Young, and Delfouneso were shit...no disrespect meant mind!
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We pay your wages Ged - not the bindippers anymore. Appreciate the villa fans.
Apologise or fuck off.
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I'm getting too used to this feeling after every Villa game
This
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I have an irrational dislike of DOL. Itr's irrational because we had some good/great moments under DOL, beting SHA a few times, great first season, played some decent football early on etc along with the usual crap - like most Villa managers if we're honest.
No, the reason I have an irrational dislike of DOL was because he always gave the impression that the Villa job was slightly beneath him, that he'd already reached his zeneth at the mighty Leeds and my God he never stopped talking about it, unless ofcourse he was trying to dumb down the Villa's expectations ad standing as a Football Club. In the end this mindset was tranferred to the players and the rest is history.
I'm starting to get the exact same feeling after tonight about Houllier. Touching signs, waving to the Kop before and after an understrength and generally poor 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' team have handed our arses back to us. Is he DOL mkII?
Not fecking good on so many levels it isn't funny.
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Did my eyes decieve me did Houllier wave to the cop and ignore the Villa fans
Say he didn't ignore the Villa fans. Can anyone confirm this?
If he did , for that alone he should be sacked.
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Delfouneso looked good, Downing was hardworking and didn't do a lot wrong, probably Irelands best performance for us and looked a lot better when we went to 442. Luke Young didn't disgrace himself and Brad snr wasvirtually redundant(bar picking the ball out of the net). The rest were woeful. Seems like the usual suspects of Dunne, Collins and Warnock were abysmal.
Ireland, Young, and Delfouneso were shit...no disrespect meant mind!
I thought Delfounso joined Downing in looking marginally less shit than the others. But that is not saying a lot.
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A truly pathetic performance from the team tonight. The kind of performance a group of players gives when they want the manager out, everyone pointing at one another, petulant fouling, no support play, no passion, the body language on some players was just shocking. I'm afraid we need someone with energy in charge someone to give the place a lift. Gerard Houllier is not that man and if possible a change should be made as we are heading for the Championship. No ifs buts etc. Tonight showed us up against a poor liverpool side.
Friedel 5 - didnt have much to do. One decent save
Young 6 - not too bad defensively
Dunne 4 - not great at all. cumbersome
Collins 3 - see above but worse
Warnock - just fuck off you gutless c***.
Albrighton 2 -hopeless
Hogg 4 - lost rodrigues for third goal, was lost generally but at least gave his best
Clark 2 - at fault for two goals in a nightmare half
Downing 5 - tried to be fair in the second half
Gabby 2 - diabolical. disgraceful attitude and non existent workrate
Ireland 4 - woeful in first half but improved a bit after the break
Fonz 6 - has a great touch was our only player that turned on the ball all night and again gave it a lash anyway
Carew & Pires - finished
I wish you had marked my work at school with scores as generous as that!!!!
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A team reflects its manager. These are the same players that played to consistent 6th place finishes under MO'N. At the risk of having a fatwah launched against me, he had passion. This guy doesn't. He has no association or passion with my club. He completely lacks any sort of interest and this is reflected in the team's sudden propensity to be totally flaky and lightweight. It's all very well being tippy tappy but were not even that good at that, without having any end product and an all of a sudden shocking defence. I actually worry about January and letting him have access to the cheque book. God knows who he will bring in.
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Did my eyes decieve me did Houllier wave to the cop and ignore the Villa fans
Say he didn't ignore the Villa fans. Can anyone confirm this?
If he did , for that alone he should be sacked.
I agree....
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FFS - for the first time I think we could be in a bit of trouble this season.
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Really unhappy with our manager's behaviour. If I was a rival manager visiting the Villa I wouldn't behave like that. Total fucking shite. I'm still backing him but it is really poor form.
BFR when he came back -first with Cov and then with Forest- always got a good reception. But there was no playing to the gallery and blowing kisses to the Holte. And it would have been seen as odd if he did do that, despite how popular he was.
GH crossed a line tonight, I think. And I'm not sure he'll be able to ever fully live it down.
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Defence is shit.
Midfield lightweight.
Wingers who can't send in crosses that beat the first man. (Plus wingers whose petulance get them suspended when we desperately need the experience).
Strikers who can't score.
Managers/coaching staff who are watching the same mistakes played out week after week.
The club is in a mess.
Oh, and I always said during the Randy Lerner love-in years, the time to judge him was when he had to make a managerial appointment/deal with the first real crisis of confidence on the pitch. So based on that, how many still reckon we've got the best Chairman going?
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Did my eyes decieve me did Houllier wave to the cop and ignore the Villa fans
Say he didn't ignore the Villa fans. Can anyone confirm this?
If he did , for that alone he should be sacked.
He definitely waved at their fans at the end - then the camera went off him so whether he acknowledged ours I couldn't say. Thought our fans were tremendous in the self piss taking sense. Singing 'Champions League My Lord' was funny.
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That was a right royal shank of shit. Our players heads are down, there's no movement, no passion, no fucking clue. We'll struggle to get two points out of our next run of games. René better pull his finger out
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Put simply, we were an embarrassment tonight. I only hope the manager admits as much and tenders his resignation in the morning, before Martin Jol signs on the dotted lione at Newcastle.
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I'm beginning to think McAllister has a lot to do with how shit we have become at the back. I was talking to my mate who supports Leeds he said when he took over at Leeds their defence turned to shit letting lots of stupid goals in from set pieces.
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I have an irrational dislike of DOL.
There is nothing irrational about disliking that fucker - you are completely sane.
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Not good was it?
We are in freefall, key players have lost form, the side had lost confidence, and we are in trouble - with no easy or quick fixes.
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A team reflects its manager. These are the same players that played to consistent 6th place finishes under MO'N. At the risk of having a fatwah launched against me, he had passion. This guy doesn't. He has no association or passion with my club. He completely lacks any sort of interest and this is reflected in the team's sudden propensity to be totally flaky and lightweight. It's all very well being tippy tappy but were not even that good at that, without having any end product and an all of a sudden shocking defence. I actually worry about January and letting him have access to the cheque book. God knows who he will bring in.
A lot of the players apparently didn't like MON, but they feared/respected him. Which can often be more effective.
The performances of some of the senior players indicate a lack of respect, Dunne's physical condition is a particularly bad indication in that regard. It doesn't look like he's been forced to slim down and get into shape at all.
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Houllier talking out of his arse in the post match interview.
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I'm sorry but forget "give him a couple of transfer windows". With the players he has he should be doing better. Far better.
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Defence is shit.
Midfield lightweight.
Wingers who can't send in crosses that beat the first man. (Plus wingers whose petulance get them suspended when we desperately need the experience).
Strikers who can't score.
Managers/coaching staff who are watching the same mistakes played out week after week.
The club is in a mess.
Oh, and I always said during the Randy Lerner love-in years, the time to judge him was when he had to make a managerial appointment/deal with the first real crisis of confidence on the pitch. So based on that, how many still reckon we've got the best Chairman going?
been saving that comment for some time have you ?
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Will houlliers heart hold out?
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I wish people would stop saying we have the same team as MON, he never had the injuries to contend with that we have now. I'm as angry over that performance as anyone but keep a sense of reality.
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Houllier sounds utterly defeated in post match interview. Randy, get rid now.
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I can't help but blame Damon Green. He's playing Roy Scheider in Sharm el Shark.
He should be here.
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A truly pathetic performance from the team tonight. The kind of performance a group of players gives when they want the manager out, everyone pointing at one another, petulant fouling, no support play, no passion, the body language on some players was just shocking. I'm afraid we need someone with energy in charge someone to give the place a lift. Gerard Houllier is not that man and if possible a change should be made as we are heading for the Championship. No ifs buts etc. Tonight showed us up against a poor liverpool side.
Friedel 5 - didnt have much to do. One decent save
Young 6 - not too bad defensively
Dunne 4 - not great at all. cumbersome
Collins 3 - see above but worse
Warnock - just fuck off you gutless c***.
Albrighton 2 -hopeless
Hogg 4 - lost rodrigues for third goal, was lost generally but at least gave his best
Clark 2 - at fault for two goals in a nightmare half
Downing 5 - tried to be fair in the second half
Gabby 2 - diabolical. disgraceful attitude and non existent workrate
Ireland 4 - woeful in first half but improved a bit after the break
Fonz 6 - has a great touch was our only player that turned on the ball all night and again gave it a lash anyway
Carew & Pires - finished
A bit harsh on Clark me thinks
Warnock gave away the corner for the first Collins lost his man from the corner
Have they mis spelt Warnocks name on his shirt.........should it be spelt W*nker............
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He will sign Ginola in January
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Still he loved the reception from the Liverpool fans - good on them....
Call that effort from our players!!
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I can't help but blame Damon Green. He's playing Roy Scheider in Sharm el Shark.
He should be here.
We're gonna need a bigger scapegoat .........
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And that must get through to the players. Surely if he sounds deflated they will not be arsed.
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I wish people would stop saying we have the same team as MON, he never had the injuries to contend with that we have now. I'm as angry over that performance as anyone but keep a sense of reality.
True, but even with these injuries do you really think Villa under O'Neill would be as gutless and pathetic as they are under Houllier? I doubt it very much.
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Mcallister has failed as coach and manager in every job he has had- houllier just thanked Liverpool fans and said they were great tonight- no mention of our fans who have struggled through shit weather to support our lads- very dissappointing mr houllier!
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A team reflects its manager. These are the same players that played to consistent 6th place finishes under MO'N. At the risk of having a fatwah launched against me, he had passion. This guy doesn't. He has no association or passion with my club. He completely lacks any sort of interest and this is reflected in the team's sudden propensity to be totally flaky and lightweight. It's all very well being tippy tappy but were not even that good at that, without having any end product and an all of a sudden shocking defence. I actually worry about January and letting him have access to the cheque book. God knows who he will bring in.
A lot of the players apparently didn't like MON, but they feared/respected him. Which can often be more effective.
The performances of some of the senior players indicate a lack of respect, Dunne's physical condition is a particularly bad indication in that regard. It doesn't look like he's been forced to slim down and get into shape at all.
I agree. Same with the likes of Carew. Think anyone has told him attitude is disgraceful from the way he ambles around? Of course not...
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I wish people would stop saying we have the same team as MON, he never had the injuries to contend with that we have now. I'm as angry over that performance as anyone but keep a sense of reality.
sorry mate but thats bollox.
I don't care about injuries or whatever, the very least the fuckers on the pitch should do is fight, battle and show some pride. Not one of those lot did that tonight.
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It's concerning that he was happy with the effort of the players. I'm hoping that he was just saying that for the press.
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"The liverpool fans were fantastic, I'd like to thank them for their chants at the end and for their banner."
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"The liverpool fans were fantastic, I'd like to thank them for their chants at the end and for their banner."
Tell me you are kidding VD, please....
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We were utterly shit. In every single way shit. Nobody came out with any credit at all.
Warnock cost us two goals again. Dunne looked like a comedy version of last seasons rock. The midfield made LUCAS look like Platini and Ngog like Henry. Make no mistake, we are in the shit big time and Liverpool won't play a worse team than they did tonight. Ireland was shocking.
I can't see Houllier being our manager much longer. Everything about the club seems so transient.
So when he walks / is pushed, can we please get a boss who isn't intrinsically and forever linked with a 'bigger' club. Somebody who is at Villa for the long haul and somebody who excites us. Somebody on the journey with us and for us.
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Defence is shit.
Midfield lightweight.
Wingers who can't send in crosses that beat the first man. (Plus wingers whose petulance get them suspended when we desperately need the experience).
Strikers who can't score.
Managers/coaching staff who are watching the same mistakes played out week after week.
The club is in a mess.
Oh, and I always said during the Randy Lerner love-in years, the time to judge him was when he had to make a managerial appointment/deal with the first real crisis of confidence on the pitch. So based on that, how many still reckon we've got the best Chairman going?
been saving that comment for some time have you ?
The last comment? I'm just repeating what I said two or three years ago. Randy got lorded because he wasn't Doug and things were going relatively well on the pitch. I said that the time to judge was when he's had to make a few difficult decisions.
I don't take any pleasure in saying it. but at present I don't think precipitating the situation whereby MON flounced out and appointing Houlier as his successor look like good calls.
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We can't defend, we can't create, we've got no leadership, we've got no commitment, I genuinly don't think the players want to play for Houllier
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Yes, every march for 4 years. Tonight was fecking disgrace, but lets not make out that MON was going to ever get us any further than 6th and playing the woeful battling football each week. Not happy tonight, but still not worried. The midfield was picked apart by them, and Warnock/ Dunne are competing for the worst player of the season award, but think we need to give GH Jan and some cash to sort it. He is a winner, has always been a winner with clubs he has been at, and given time and chance to ship some of the shit he has been left with out, he will be a winner here.
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Having Houillier as our manager is like starting a relationship with a woman when you know she's still in love with her last bloke. It's not good for the soul.
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Why are we like this all the time. We have a good couple of years then we hit the fuckin self destruct button again. Only we could be taken over by an American billionaire and look like relegation candidates after 3 years of Champions League qualification flirtation.
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So - Ireland and Carew don't care. For Dunne and Collins read Hinge and Brackett. Warnock's a walking free kick and Friedel is running out of time. The two lads in centre mid have been dropped right in it and are drowning and Gabby has been turned from a lightning striker into a willing worker, a la Kevin Davies.
Apart from that, it's fine. We are in the shit folks.
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Don't worry Collins and Dunne are looking happy.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2llni1y.jpg)
Couldn't find a pic with the Gaffer and Warcock in it as well.
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"The liverpool fans were fantastic, I'd like to thank them for their chants at the end and for their banner."
Tell me you are kidding VD, please....
No he said it
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I wish people would stop saying we have the same team as MON, he never had the injuries to contend with that we have now. I'm as angry over that performance as anyone but keep a sense of reality.
Mon fans rarely do .
When you think of the number of times he played Albrighton, clark, Young, Hogg, Bannan, and co its amazing we aren't on target for 6th.
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Absolutely pathetic performance, one of the worst i have ever seen, did we actually play any football?
Obviously we have a lot of players out, but the way we set the team out to play was clueless and the players seemed lost. What happened to being hard to beat? This was one of those games where we needed to sit back, be organised, keep it simple, let Liverpool come on to us, and then play on the counter. But no we played silly tactics. We're losing games away because we play too open and our football is too slow because we are trying to play this fancy 'passing game' out of defense, and we just don't have the players for it. We need to get back to solid defending and quick counter attacking football, that's where we are most dangerous.
Our defence is dire at the moment but problem is they have little protection in front of them, so are making mistakes. They also have very few options in front of them and they are just passing the ball between themselves, or booting it up field. Either way we keep loosing possession. I can't understand why we can no longer defend from crosses though, but bringing Cuellar in would surely help things. One thing is though, i just don't think the defence are up to playing the way they are being asked to play.
Lets not forget all of the players out though, Bannan and Young were a big miss, never mind Petrov and Reo Coker. Stick those players on the pitch today and we would have looked a much better proposition no doubt about it. Lets face up to the fact that it's going to be a hard December and early January. We need to scrape a few points until then when hopefully we can get some of our senior players back and get some signings in.
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Any team playing the Villa at the moment will be rubbing their hands with glee, knowing they only have to 'turn up' to win the game.
That's the shocking thing about this current team.
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Delfouneso looked good, Downing was hardworking and didn't do a lot wrong, probably Irelands best performance for us and looked a lot better when we went to 442. Luke Young didn't disgrace himself and Brad snr wasvirtually redundant(bar picking the ball out of the net). The rest were woeful. Seems like the usual suspects of Dunne, Collins and Warnock were abysmal.
Ireland, Young, and Delfouneso were shit...no disrespect meant mind!
Nathan was far from shit. Rarely lost the ball, showed great feet on a number of occassions. Pity none of the tossers around him had the workrate and bit of nous to support him.
I was very close to going to Anfield to watch this game with a group of Liverpool supporting friends. Two months ago when we discussed it I honestly thought Houllier's return would be a happy one for us. Thank fook I didn't bother.
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Terrible, utterly dire 'performance'. We look completely lost.
Honestly can not see where the next win is coming from. Depressing stuff indeed.
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Any team playing the Villa at the moment will be rubbing their hands with glee, knowing they only have to 'turn up' to win the game.
That's the shocking thing about this current team.
you are right, its so easy to score against us and no threat up front and that is a recipe for disaster
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Delfouneso looked good, Downing was hardworking and didn't do a lot wrong, probably Irelands best performance for us and looked a lot better when we went to 442. Luke Young didn't disgrace himself and Brad snr wasvirtually redundant(bar picking the ball out of the net). The rest were woeful. Seems like the usual suspects of Dunne, Collins and Warnock were abysmal.
Ireland, Young, and Delfouneso were shit...no disrespect meant mind!
None taken. May have been a bit OTT but I do think Delfouneso and Ireland, particularly 2nd half, were the slight positives to be taken from that game. To say they were shit is being harsh considering the rest of the crap on the pitch.
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We can't defend, we can't create, we've got no leadership, we've got no commitment, I genuinly don't think the players want to play for Houllier
..and by the look on his face, I don't thing he's bothered. It was well out of order somebody putting Superglue on Gary MacCallister's seat too. No wonder he never got up. I hope he's still not there now.
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Liverpool fans were great says houllier as he thanks them- what about the poor sods who pay your wages gerard and travelled in awful weather to watch such shit- very dissapointing mr houllier!
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I wish people would stop saying we have the same team as MON, he never had the injuries to contend with that we have now. I'm as angry over that performance as anyone but keep a sense of reality.
I think you will find that the players training regime will have been altered to fit in with Houlliers style of play. Perhaps MONs training Methods meant that players rarely got injured and were fitter for matches more often. Is that something you have considered?
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Liverpool fans were great says houllier as he thanks them- what about the poor sods who pay your wages gerard and travelled in awful weather to watch such shit- very dissapointing mr houllier!
That and his poncing around touching the sign and wave to the Kop is a bloody disgrace. Houllier has really made it hard for himself now. DOL did the same and once you've lost the fans your finished.
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I know we have injuries, but that does not explain tonight.
Dunne is a great player, but his form has nosedived beyond belief. Carew never put much work in, but always looked dangerous until recently. Warnock has never set the world alight, but he can play much, much better than that. Collins is still working hard, but his decision making has gone to pot.
We are now in a relegation fight, which we could well lose.
I don't blame Randy though. Martin O'Neill was a horrible bloke, but a good manager. He commanded respect, but in the end he refused to understand basic economics and he walked. Unfortunately there was no-one obvious available and Houllier was as good as the rest that were around, and so Randy took the gamble.
The problem with gambling is that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Houllier tonight proved he has no future in football and can only harp back to the past.
I would normally state that a manager should be given time, but tonight I feel different, and I think Randy should get rid now and give the transfer window to the new guy. Although God knows who that could be!
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Oh and another thing I have stopped feeling excited and anticipatory when we are playing again. The last time I had that feeling was in 2006.
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"The liverpool fans were fantastic, I'd like to thank them for their chants at the end and for their banner."
Tell me you are kidding VD, please....
word for word.
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I honestly can't think of any chances we had to score? You can't count Agbonlahors in the second half really. I mean, thats like saying you got a hand job, when really, someones hand brushed past your knob and you came in your pants!
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Oh and another thing I have stopped feeling excited and anticipatory when we are playing again. The last time I had that feeling was in 2006.
Same here. I'm not pining for MON, but I do pine for that feeling that week in week out, whoever we were playing, that we could beat them. Its long gone.
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Every single one of those players should have been made to go to our fans and hand over their shirts and boots.
Awful.
Carlos did both shirt and tracksuit top-----shows he at least is bothered,he MUST play Saturday time for the comedy double act to be dropped enough is enough-----we are on the edge of a yawning abyss,heading headlong into a relegation battle like a runaway speeding downbound train!!
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"The liverpool fans were fantastic, I'd like to thank them for their chants at the end and for their banner."
You missed the final line leading on from this which was that he was "touched". Evidently tonight was all about Gerard Houillier and his relationship with Liverpool Football Club. The plight of his current club is clearly incidental.
Tell me you are kidding VD, please....
word for word.
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"The liverpool fans were fantastic, I'd like to thank them for their chants at the end and for their banner."
Tell me you are kidding VD, please....
word for word.
Disgraceful.
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Just resign you buffoon before you make things even worse for everyone
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agree please...
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Liverpool fans were great says houllier as he thanks them- what about the poor sods who pay your wages gerard and travelled in awful weather to watch such shit- very dissapointing mr houllier!
That and his poncing around touching the sign and wave to the Kop is a bloody disgrace. Houllier has really made it hard for himself now. DOL did the same and once you've lost the fans your finished.
I know we have injuries, but that does not explain tonight.
Dunne is a great player, but his form has nosedived beyond belief. Carew never put much work in, but always looked dangerous until recently. Warnock has never set the world alight, but he can play much, much better than that. Collins is still working hard, but his decision making has gone to pot.
We are now in a relegation fight, which we could well lose.
I don't blame Randy though. Martin O'Neill was a horrible bloke, but a good manager. He commanded respect, but in the end he refused to understand basic economics and he walked. Unfortunately there was no-one obvious available and Houllier was as good as the rest that were around, and so Randy took the gamble.
The problem with gambling is that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Houllier tonight proved he has no future in football and can only harp back to the past.
I would normally state that a manager should be given time, but tonight I feel different, and I think Randy should get rid now and give the transfer window to the new guy. Although God knows who that could be!
Marton Jol was the fans' favourite before Houllier was appointed but he couldn't get away from Ajax. Tonight he has left by mutual consent. A chance? No. Newcastle will have been more persuasive than we were. Another chance lost and so we plod on hopeless, helpless and recently pointless. There is a board meeting tomorrow but I suppose we will be told to be patient. That won't stretch further than DSaturday night!
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I wish people would stop saying we have the same team as MON, he never had the injuries to contend with that we have now. I'm as angry over that performance as anyone but keep a sense of reality.
Mon fans rarely do .
When you think of the number of times he played Albrighton, clark, Young, Hogg, Bannan, and co its amazing we aren't on target for 6th.
What the fuck are you on about you tart?
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Friedal 2 - Doesn't instil confidence in the back 4 at all, poor communication.
Young 4 - The pick of a piss poor defence
Collins 2 - Looked like he was wearing his black PE pumps
Dunne 2 - Captain? Leader? he's just a fat useless bastard
Warnock 2 - This guy cost us how much? Played for England?? - actually yeah - he doesn't look bothered
Albrighton 4 - Tried hard, but why Gerard Scousier plays him down the left i don't know
Hogg 4 - Tried hard, needs an old head alonside him
Clark 3 - Exposed, poorest game
Downing 5 - The pick of our outfield players over the 90 mins but his dead ball deliver was shit
Ireland 3 - Oxygen thief
Gabby 4 - I thought he tried hard with no service at all
Delfouneso - 5 - lively - deserves more of a role
Carwho - What a waste of shirt
Pires - Not sure what he's going to do for us?
As for Gerard Scousier's 'performance' - no doubt we'll hear something in the coming days about our 'magnificant away following' from our PR boys. His complete and utter disregard for our away following is attrocious. As for his management when their right back has more shots at goal than three of our forwards that tells you all you need to know. Reina didn't touch the ball properly until 53minutes.
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I said 3-0 on here earlier today so it was no surprise to me, just thank god they didn't have Gerrard and Torres eh?
Our manager and team are both wank. Theres no quality or fighting spirit amongst them and we're in massive trouble, once you're down there it's hard to get out especially with no fighting spirit.
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Up until tonight I still remained confident that the team would turn things around. We had played well in spells of games e.g. man utd second half . I felt with players back we would look a more solid outfit and the bad touches, the richocets, deflections would start going for us
However that was absolutely shameful typified by our manager who didnt seem to give a toss. The defence has become a shambles, however these players dont become shit overnight. They have lost confidence, under oneill we played counter attacking football and we were tight rigid and well organised. Houllier pretty one touch football gives us possession stats but we are clueless at what to next.
We play our best when the tempo is up we get the ball up front quickly. Tonight i cant think of one time we hit gabby in the channels, it was just pretty pretty across the back four then oh shit what should i do oh yeh bang up the pitch aimlessly.
Were not arsenal or barcelona gerrard you cant change things overnight.
Training for saturday needs to get us solid we need a clean sheet. We need desire passion bite tempo all things i think our manager has lost
Were in big big trouble and i fear for us
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Having Houillier as our manager is like starting a relationship with a woman when you know she's still in love with her last bloke. It's not good for the soul.
That's exactly how it makes me feel.
I open a newspaper, my 'Villa Radar' homes-in on an article and, surprise-f""kin'-surprise, at least half of the piece insists on telling me that Houillier used to be the manager at Liverpool, and he once had some-sort of heart-attack (but he's alright now), oh yeah, that's right and Jamie Carragher thinks he's a really good bloke and as for those Scally fans . . . . . . Enough now, you infuriating French tosser!
If he has any intention of getting remotely close to running our team and being associated with our club in the manner that is expected, (and at this precise moment he is a long, long way from demonstrating that) he should insist that any interviews / articles / soundbites whatever, are about the present and future of Aston Villa Football Club.
Gerard, if you have the slightest problem with this most basic requirement, get up tomorrow morning, go straight to Villa Park and resign.
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I went tonight and have just got back. It was atrocious, I could rail on for hours about how bad it was but I think I'm just going to forget about the whole sorry night and turn up on Saturday and hope the team have turned a corner. However I feel this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
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I like what he's (GH) is trying to do possession wise but can't fathom what's happened to the defence. Have we changed to zone marking or something..absolutely woeful. The kids are getting found out a bit in the prem..it's tough.
We need all our players back fit to try and halt the slide and let him get his own in. Ain't panicking just yet, but anything less than 4 points in next 2 games and I will be. Hard to see where the goals chances are gonna come from.
Wouldn't be surprise to see new centre halfs come in. Playing possession football (or trying to) we need centre halfs that are good on the ball and mobile.
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Didn't see any of the game but sounds like the tide has turned and we are officially in crisis (again).
Houllier has done little to endear us to him and, after tonight, looks like he simply wanted one last chance to get back to his beloved Anfield. At this moment in time I'd even swap him for Sam Allardyce.
I also think tonight was a warning of how we would fare without Ashley Young. He can be a pain in the arse at times but would be sorely missed IMO.
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Well we were fucking shocking, such a lack of fight and desire I've not seen since DOL was at the helm. Its alright fucking about with tippy tappy football in our own third but as soon as we advanced they just took it off us.
All of the back line were ponderous and lacking in any sort of aggression, the midfield made some terrible decisions and the forward never saw the ball, was in one save in the entire game for Reina?
We have some cracking players but they seemed completely lacking in any kind of motivation from the bench who seemed most concerned with keeping warm.
I'm not fucking happy with that.
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Well I think the least he can do is give Carlos a game (at CB) and recall Curtis Davies from Leicester (if able to do so). Collins and Dunne are in horrenous form but they both know/think they're guaranteed a game. And the sad thing is they're right.
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I notice nobody has made the obvious joke.
Under Houllier we have the worst French defence since the Maginot line.
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we won at Anfield last season with Cuellar and Davies playing at CB
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If Davies plays another league game for us, we owe Albion a fee for appearances don't we. The club doesn't want to pay this.
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I don't believe for one second that hogwash about Davies and appearances (it would have to be a funny number of appearances) but it might be cheaper than getting relegated which is what might happen if we keep playing Bertie Bombscare and Coco the Clown.
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If Davies plays another league game for us, we owe Albion a fee for appearances don't we. The club doesn't want to pay this.
Is that the real reason? Pathetic. The board needs to get their act together.
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This was an ordinary Lpool team so 3-0 is a nightmare. We are now in trouble and I can not see us getting better. Rene is trying to take on teams by playing football however our team does not have the wherewithall to do that. Unless he is able to change and go for results we could keep struggling post Chrismas.
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I like what he's (GH) is trying to do possession wise but can't fathom what's happened to the defence. Have we changed to zone marking or something..absolutely woeful. The kids are getting found out a bit in the prem..it's tough.
We need all our players back fit to try and halt the slide and let him get his own in. Ain't panicking just yet, but anything less than 4 points in next 2 games and I will be. Hard to see where the goals chances are gonna come from.
Wouldn't be surprise to see new centre halfs come in. Playing possession football (or trying to) we need centre halfs that are good on the ball and mobile.
A good response. I like the posession football, but why this cannot translate into better attacking, I don't know.
WHy can't players ignore their boss
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I agree Sandman. It also would have made sense for him to have played alongside Dunne for the game against Newcastle instead of the inexperienced Clark. There is something fishy going on with the situation.
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Haha, just realised 'The Situation' commented. I must make it clear that I dont think there is anything fishy going on with you!
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We have some cracking players but they seemed completely lacking in any kind of motivation from the bench who seemed most concerned with keeping warm.
Spot on, PW.
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I have an irrational dislike of DOL. Itr's irrational because we had some good/great moments under DOL, beting SHA a few times, great first season, played some decent football early on etc along with the usual crap - like most Villa managers if we're honest.
No, the reason I have an irrational dislike of DOL was because he always gave the impression that the Villa job was slightly beneath him, that he'd already reached his zeneth at the mighty Leeds and my God he never stopped talking about it, unless ofcourse he was trying to dumb down the Villa's expectations ad standing as a Football Club. In the end this mindset was tranferred to the players and the rest is history.
I'm starting to get the exact same feeling after tonight about Houllier. Touching signs, waving to the Kop before and after an understrength and generally poor 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' team have handed our arses back to us. Is he DOL mkII?
Not fecking good on so many levels it isn't funny.
agree mate. It is not going to work with Houllier. Bolton are broke. Lets do what Spurs did with Pompey and give them 5m for Owen Coyle. I know he wont be pining for Burnley or Bolton and he will give it his all to improve us.
Normally a new manager sees an improvement in attitude with players bursting their bollocks to impress him. The opposite is occuring here and tonight was unacceptable regardless of who was missing. As every manager knows it is easier to replace 1 manager than 20 players. I really miss MON's ambition actually you just knew maybe for the sake of his own ego that he would try everything to get us into top4. I think Houllier sees keeping us up as sufficient. It wont be if tonights performance is any judge.
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We are far, far more prediicable than under MON, and far, far less effectiive; the defence is a shambles; the arrival of our new fitness guru has coincided with the worst injury crisis for several seasons; on a positive note, we have some good youngsters emerging (Clark, Hogg, Allbrighton), but good for the Championship possibly if we don't arrest what is now an awful run of results since Houllier took over. I don't care whether he turned up tonight in a red scarf and did the conga in front of the Kop, it's about results, and he's not achieving them. Even the Man Utd game, fantastic as it was at times, was possibly a sign he hasn't any luck either. He just looks forlorn and the same mistakes are re-occurring every week. I'm really looking forward to January - I can see the swap deal involving Young and Keane now.
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Haha, just realised 'The Situation' commented. I must make it clear that I dont think there is anything fishy going on with you!
Don't worry I did lol.
Brontebilly; I agree completely. How can a manager come in and make little impact making us worse... I do wish the board looked at some managers the fans wanted, it'll kick off big time if we lose to the baggies.
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How to lose the fans in one night.
I take take defeat, even humiliating defeat. What I cannot accept is a total lack of respect from the manager and the position he currently occupies. All this me, me, me and how I love Liverpool has had me seething for weeks.
It came to a head tonight with a display of shameless self promotion and scant regard for the great football club he is lucky to be a manager of and those poor buggers who travelled to Anfield on a freezing night.
Grovel to the fans tomorrow GH or fuck off.
And I mean fuck right off. >:(
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Don't think any ammount of grovelling will excuse his behaviour.Hard to believe we recently had a thread called "something special going on"
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GH has no connection to this club, it's a job for him. Clearly he is still in love with Liverpool and will pick up a nice wage whilst friends that I know will be returning back from Anfield around about now after having spent their hard earned money to see our 'leader' kiss the liver bird and wave to his *adoring public.
Do not be fooled for one minute by his record. of the 4 trophies he won with them in that one season- they included the charity shield, the uefa cup winners cup (one match) and the worthlessington cup.
We'll all be here when he's gone as we have been before.
What sticks in my throat is that he doesn't demonstrate any passion towards our cause. Say what you like about MON but he lived and breathed our club and you can guarantee that he would have had strong words about a 0-3 loss to a mediocre side devoid of it's 3 top stars.
It hurts.
Once again I'll be travelling up from London on Saturday with my son to the match......guess what, I ain't feeling confident at all.
Not a good feeling. I'd feel better if I thought Houllier & McAllister were as down as I am, but I really don't get the impression that they are. His quote earlier about losing to Liverpool because he likes them so much says it all.
*adoring now that he has left them.
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Really am quite worried now. Ok we have players out but are even they of the quality to bring this team forward ?? First time Clarke looked out of his depth, Ireland really is not interested and has got to be used in Jan to raise money for someone who is and has got a fighting spirit ......
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Is tonight the night he lost the fans? I think it could be.
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worst first half display in 30 odd yrs for me.
And to add to that our manager has a lovefest and wave with the kop whilst our travelling support are left freezing in the fucking corner. disgraceful display of disrespect.
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hi guys
just got back .. well p off plus can,t belive what i am reading
whats gh said... that we are not anywere near as good as the sum bags in the pool and what a great team they are ...sounds just like other prat we had
knew his heart was not in the job
plus b4 we left carlos came over to us took his trackie top of and shirt and throw them into the crowd
got me thinkin maybe he on his way
hope not
not sure were we go from here
think the time for action his now b4 it,s to late if newcastle can we can
say bye bye gh
thanks for fook all >:(
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just got back .. well p off plus can,t belive what i am reading
whats gh said... that we are not anywere near as good as the sum bags in the pool and what a great team they are ...sounds just like other prat we had
Here you go champ, this is what he said during an interview after the match:
He told his post-match press conference: "The fans were good. I appreciated the fact that they chanted my name at the end. It shows they can remember.
"There was also a banner at the start of the game. I was not emotional but I was extremely touched by that."
He added: "It's difficult to say but I prefer to lose 3-0 to Liverpool because I like Liverpool."
Go to bed before you get too angry to sleep.
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"I cannot fault the players for the effort, they tried hard."
"When you concede a goal after 12, 13 minutes at Anfield it's hard to come back. It's a shame because I thought we could have done something here today."
Yeah, done something like what? Lost by a bigger margin than threefuckingnil to your beloved club?
You're a disgrace, Houllier. Please resign. We don't want you wasting the transfer kitties on Cisse, Owen, crap French players who used to be on Lplop's payroll. Just like you.
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I've been looking for a crumb of comfort but Dunne must've eat it
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This morning, I had a collision with a motorcycle at a traffic junction (minor damage to my car, light injuries only, phew! His Honda is bit mangled though).
1. I blame Houllier for making me distracted this morning.
2. The motorcyclist was the spitting image of MON. I had forgotten my phone or I would have asked to get a pic.
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Brilliant Villa support. Albrighton played well. Downing was ok. That is all.
Ok, its not. Im disappointed mostly to be beaten by a very very average side. When you make Maxi and Konchesky look good its time to get off your arse and do something. It cheered me right up to listen to the ashes on the way home
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The most pathetic performance from our team since...well...first half against Arsenal.
Why no Cuellar?
He must have trod on Houllier's foot in training.
Not at all happy with Houllier sucking up to the Scousers.
I was almost tempted to have a flutter when Ray Winstone appeared on Sky at half time saying
'7/1 on Liverpool to win 4-0 you Fakkin cant'
Really not looking forward to the WBA game.
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Apalling. MoN has truly fucked us
I assume this is because of the timing that he left, because these are the same players who helped us to have three 6th place finishes (bar the few midfielders who are injured).
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4 defeats in a row, struggle to beat Blackpool's reserves.
Yes, we have injuries, yes we're changing our style of play, but all that taken into account, throwing the towel in at Anfield is just not good enough.
Time to find the solution.
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I am not too fussed about what he said or did not say (I had turned the tv off by then)
What my thoughts are:
Defence are a shambles and Warnock is a liability - the only comfort i find is that they are so exposed due by such a lightweight , makeshift midfield made up primarily of kids who are having their first run in the demanding premiership. You can blood the odd one or two but to be so reliant on them is a recipe for disaster and that is what we are seeing. Who would have thought that Marc could come back after a life saving op only after a week - it showed
Who would think that we missed a kid like Bannan who is having his first season in at the deepend.
Whatever our views on the management team at present i doubt even Wenger / Fergie et al could contend with what we have in relation to injuries and small squad (and we all know whose door that falls on)
One other thing it is noticable that every loose ball, every trip, every ricochet is going against us at the moment.
At times like this we need seasoned top pro's and we have a few but they are surrounded by kids who need our support
If we start poorly against the baggies are we to boo - that will destroy the kids confidence that is already shot i would imagine
Time to dig deep and get behind them - its going to be a rough old time
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After watching us play Man U the other week I thought we would be okay, we played some good football, made chance after chance and scored a couple. Three or four weeks later we look bereft of ideas, confidence, form and worst of all desire.
I turned the TV off after 15 minutes and went to bed. I couldn't bear to watch it any more, especially Steven Wanckor who must be the stupidest player ever. Knowing we are suspect at set pieces he persists in giving away needless free kicks. Moronic in the extreme. Then Clarke loses the first header, Collins walks away from Ngog to give him a free header and it's game over.
I said the other day, trying to play good football is all very nice but what we need at the moment is to dig in and make ourselves hard to beat. It seems there were few signs of that last night against what must have been one of the weakest Liverpool sides we have ever faced at Anfield. Houllier has to take the blame for that, and if he's not careful, his disrespect for Villa and Villa fans will have him in the same bracket as O'Leary.
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Somehow we need to get back to doing the basics well,closing down,keeping shape,tackling etc.
It's hard though with 3 out of the back 4 playing really badly. Cuellar needs to come in for sat,should've played yesterday.
Midfield is non existant,but its to be expected with a rookie centreback,and rookie midfielder who i'm afraid isn't up to the task.
Albrighton didn't quite look fit enough,as he struggled against a weak left back.Gab was completely isolated,though he didn't do himself any favours by not holding the ball up,and I dont know where to start with Ireland,he looks so lost at the minute.
We could really do with Heskey's strength up front,and NRC leadership in the midfield,as we fell apart so easily last night.
The worrying thing is that losing is becoming a habit,and if we go an early goal down on sat the team could fall apart.
Well done to the away support,the only positive thing from last night.
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Somehow we need to get back to doing the basics well,closing down,keeping shape,tackling etc.
It's hard though with 3 out of the back 4 playing really badly. Cuellar needs to come in for sat,should've played yesterday.
Midfield is non existant,but its to be expected with a rookie centreback,and rookie midfielder who i'm afraid isn't up to the task.
Albrighton didn't quite look fit enough,as he struggled against a weak left back.Gab was completely isolated,though he didn't do himself any favours by not holding the ball up,and I dont know where to start with Ireland,he looks so lost at the minute.
We could really do with Heskey's strength up front,and NRC leadership in the midfield,as we fell apart so easily last night.
The worrying thing is that losing is becoming a habit,and if we go an early goal down on sat the team could fall apart.
Well done to the away support,the only positive thing from last night.
I actually thought Ireland showed glimpses of what he is capable of. He was the only one who was prepared to have the ball and look for the forward pass. Didn't always come off but he played passes in both halves that opened them up. For the second Gabby should have scored.
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Considering that, for the majority of Houllier's spell in charge, we've been playing one up front and five in midfield, teams have been slicing straight through us far too often. We're not difficult to beat and we're not scoring goals. We're not really doing anything.
Injuries have hurt us, yes, but last night's team was actually reasonably strong and we should have done far, far better against a pretty ordinary Liverpool team missing arguably their three most important players. I thought we were supposed to have been working on a more 'solid' shape before the game?
I'm starting to get that awful 'how the hell are we going to win a game' feeling.
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Somehow we need to get back to doing the basics well,closing down,keeping shape,tackling etc.
It's hard though with 3 out of the back 4 playing really badly. Cuellar needs to come in for sat,should've played yesterday.
Midfield is non existant,but its to be expected with a rookie centreback,and rookie midfielder who i'm afraid isn't up to the task.
Albrighton didn't quite look fit enough,as he struggled against a weak left back.Gab was completely isolated,though he didn't do himself any favours by not holding the ball up,and I dont know where to start with Ireland,he looks so lost at the minute.
We could really do with Heskey's strength up front,and NRC leadership in the midfield,as we fell apart so easily last night.
The worrying thing is that losing is becoming a habit,and if we go an early goal down on sat the team could fall apart.
Well done to the away support,the only positive thing from last night.
I actually thought Ireland showed glimpses of what he is capable of. He was the only one who was prepared to have the ball and look for the forward pass. Didn't always come off but he played passes in both halves that opened them up. For the second Gabby should have scored.
Somehow we need to get back to doing the basics well,closing down,keeping shape,tackling etc.
It's hard though with 3 out of the back 4 playing really badly. Cuellar needs to come in for sat,should've played yesterday.
Midfield is non existant,but its to be expected with a rookie centreback,and rookie midfielder who i'm afraid isn't up to the task.
Albrighton didn't quite look fit enough,as he struggled against a weak left back.Gab was completely isolated,though he didn't do himself any favours by not holding the ball up,and I dont know where to start with Ireland,he looks so lost at the minute.
We could really do with Heskey's strength up front,and NRC leadership in the midfield,as we fell apart so easily last night.
The worrying thing is that losing is becoming a habit,and if we go an early goal down on sat the team could fall apart.
Well done to the away support,the only positive thing from last night.
I actually thought Ireland showed glimpses of what he is capable of. He was the only one who was prepared to have the ball and look for the forward pass. Didn't always come off but he played passes in both halves that opened them up. For the second Gabby should have scored.
Thats the problem though,he's showed glimpses in the past few games,but 2 or 3 years ago he was one of the best midfielders in the league,so he really needs to deliver sooner rather than later.
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Considering that, for the majority of Houllier's spell in charge, we've been playing one up front and five in midfield, teams have been slicing straight through us far too often. We're not difficult to beat and we're not scoring goals. We're not really doing anything.
Injuries have hurt us, yes, but last night's team was actually reasonably strong and we should have done far, far better against a pretty ordinary Liverpool team missing arguably their three most important players. I thought we were supposed to have been working on a more 'solid' shape before the game?
I'm starting to get that awful 'how the hell are we going to win a game' feeling.
Too often our defenders are faced with strikers running at them. Coupled with their own hesitancy and lack of confidence, it is a recipe for disaster. I know the centre halves have come in for a lot of stick recently but our midfield is far too lightweight and give little protection.
I don't want to criticise Hogg, Bannan and Clarke but in away games particularly, they look out of their depth. We miss Petrov badly.
What I do find inexcusable is our lack of organisation at set pieces. I watch every free kick from behind the sofa as we look like we will concede every time.
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Somehow we need to get back to doing the basics well,closing down,keeping shape,tackling etc.
It's hard though with 3 out of the back 4 playing really badly. Cuellar needs to come in for sat,should've played yesterday.
Midfield is non existant,but its to be expected with a rookie centreback,and rookie midfielder who i'm afraid isn't up to the task.
Albrighton didn't quite look fit enough,as he struggled against a weak left back.Gab was completely isolated,though he didn't do himself any favours by not holding the ball up,and I dont know where to start with Ireland,he looks so lost at the minute.
We could really do with Heskey's strength up front,and NRC leadership in the midfield,as we fell apart so easily last night.
The worrying thing is that losing is becoming a habit,and if we go an early goal down on sat the team could fall apart.
Well done to the away support,the only positive thing from last night.
Are you sure? Not even 1500 of us bothered to go (at £41 and live on TV I can understand it) but we took the piss out of our own team for pretty much the entire second half. Shit Support mLord indeed.
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Least they showed more heart than the team,i know that wasn't hard.
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i only watched the first half as i had a top of the table 6-a-side game i had to play in the second half, which we narrowly lost after dominating most of the play in -5 iced pitch conditions... not a great night tbh...
congrats to liverpool, they fully deserved to win that comfortably... the second was offside, however, it wouldnt have made the slightest bit of difference if it had been chalked off anyway, so hardly even worth mentioning... which is probably why the media have hardly mentioned it... amuses me how the media have shouted about liverpools missing players, but conveniently played down ours though...
as for the villa, that was a continuation of the season tbh... utter garbage at the back, too lightweight in midfield and nothing up top to cause any problems...
dunne, collins and warnock are absolute rubbish... warnock and dunne in particular... how they cat even get the basics right, is beyond me... (i told you how shit warnock was paggers... still want to swap him for konchesky?)... any midfield consisting of hogg is always going to struggle, even if we are taking the cowards way out and packing it with 5 in there... which brings me to the question, if we are playing 5 in there, how on gods green earth can they be so god damn invisible?
as for ireland, if that cnut ever pulls on a villa shirt again, it will be a disgrace... the little baldy weasel is a waste of space and i would rather young delfouneso plays in the hole or play two up top than have him anywhere near a villa shirt... i didnt think i would ever say this, but he makes sidwell look half decent!
clark had a mare... he is young and has that right every now and again especially playing out of position, but he was poor last night... albrighton was clearly brought back too early, downing is wasted on the right wing, and an unfit gabby cant do anything with no service or support... what is the point in him holding the ball up, if there is then no one there to lay the ball off to?
all in all, that whole "performance" was utterly disgraceful, and i am gearing myself up for a relegation scrap...
as for houllier, he showed a complete lack of respect to the club he now manages... im surprised the prick didnt start celebrating with the liverpool fans when they scored and after the final whistle... as for him touching their sign, what a cnut... with an attitude like that, the fan support he does still have left, wont last much longer...
personally, i dont want him sacked... i am fully aware of the injuries we currently have, and that the type of football he wants to play does not suit half of the hoofmerchant cloggers that lack technical ability that o'neill paid so much money and wages for... and for that we are struggling... if anything, houllier has tried to change our approach too quickly... i think that is why he likes the likes of clark and bannon, as they do have the ability that matches the way he wants to play... and for me, that bodes well for the future... that is if we dont get relegated in the process... but with players coming back into fitness, and a few purchases in january, we might be able to turn this awful awful whole year around (we were shit in the last few months of o'neills season too, as we always were under him for the last third of every season he was with us)...
but for the moment, the experienced cloggers just keep making basic mistakes that have nothing to do with the way the manager wants to play... they are just basic errors, and for a while now, i am shitting my pants every time the opposition has the ball anywhere near the centre circle, because i just feel like we are mistake away from conceding yet another stupid goal...
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Hi All, first post on here, can't sit back and watch the club spiral helplessly down without voicing my opinion.
The appointment of GH has been a massive mistake - does he have a probation period to get through ? If so, surely he's failing it and the board must act now
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Ireland was looking for a foward pass last night, at least he was'nt hiding, but he looks overweight to me and a bit sluggish.Does'nt support the attack quick enough tbh.
Downing was the best player on the pitch last night, Albrighton was'nt fit.
Collins and LYoung, desperately need to be dropped, both awful last night.
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Lowlights (http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/liverpool-aston-villa-7775765/)