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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 02, 2010, 06:35:58 PM
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0-2 Away win
Dunne 12
Collins 33
Friedel
Young (L.)
Collins
Dunne
Warnock
Downing
Ireland
Bannan
Clark
Carew
Agbonlahor
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Sorry, but it's another loss. 2-1 to the scousers, who are apparently finished.
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No Young. Hopefully Bananan will be returned to the middle. He was wasted out wide last night.
3-1 to them.
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Isn't Bannan injured?
2-1. Dunne O.G. and Kuyt for them Gabby for us.
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Liverpool 2-1 Villa
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Friedel
Young
Cuellar
Collins
Warnock
Ireland
Bannan
Hogg
Clark
Downing
Gabby
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2-2. I feel we were very unlucky last night, I have grave concerns about our defence though. Dunne and Collins seems to have become somewhat of a liabilty but for some reason I believe we will get something.
I'm intrigued to see what happens when Houllier has a full pre season, he's had a very tough start with injuries so I'm finding it hard to pick a fault with him.
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I'm intrigued to see what happens when Houllier has a full pre season, he's had a very tough start with injuries so I'm finding it hard to pick a fault with him.
Sensible. My exact feelings.
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I can see a turgid draw, which under normal circumstances wouldn't be bad up there. Its just disappointing how this season doesn't actually seem to have begun.
We could do with a months worth of snow to give us time to re-group.
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Bannan now out and Ash suspended we must go 442.
Friedel
Young
Cueller(not 100% fit but Dunne isn't 50% fit)
Collins
Warnock
Downing
Clark
Hogg
Ireland
Gabby
Carew
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Bannan out? Oh, crap.
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I'm intrigued to see what happens when Houllier has a full pre season, he's had a very tough start with injuries so I'm finding it hard to pick a fault with him.
Sensible. My exact feelings.
I agree, but please please drop Richard Dunne
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From a great height.
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From a great height.
Make sure he lands on Warnock.
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Friedel
L.Young Cuellar Collins Warnock
Hogg Clarke
Gabby Ireland Downing
Carew
Not really looking forward to this as it means it's another fixture that doesn't go in our favour and if we lose we'll be slipping again. Anything but a loss will feel like a bonus right now... lets just hope the defence can contain Torres.
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Bannan, if he is out will be a big loss, so i'd go for this.
Freidel
Beye Cuellar Collins L.Young
Gabby Warnock Clark Downing
Ireland
Fonz
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Now Bannan? Good fucking grief.
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Clampy, that team is probably the last one I'd have picked at the start of teh season but it's probably our best chance of getting something although I'd swap Gabby and Ireland even though Agbonlahor can do a job on the wing. Are you keeping Ireland out of the way up top perchance?
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Inevitable defeat
0-3
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Was it last season we expected a hammering but instead won 3-1, or was that the season before?
There's always hope anyway!
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Was it last season we expected a hammering but instead won 3-1
Same here.
I fully expect to loose this time with some calamatous defending costing us 2 late goals.
2-0 to them.
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If Dunne and Collins play, you'll probably be right.
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From a great height.
Make sure he lands on Warnock.
Going by the size of him, he'd take out the right back at the same time.
2-0 loss. Pretty football, 50-50 possession. 1st goal 44 mins, 2nd between 80-90mins. GH to look cold, ill and clueless on bench.
Russia to get world cup 2018, Qatar to get 2022, Night to follow day, bears to take their morning shit in woods.
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3-1 to Liverpool with Gabby scoring for us.
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The referee is Phil Dowd (Staffordshire)
It will be his first Villa game since the Carling Cup final, and his well-publicised decision to not send off Vidic. No surprises we have him away - usual precedure after a controversial decision.
His assistants are McDonough (chequered flag) and Turner (yellow flag), while Mark Halsey is 4th official.
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3-0 to them. No chance of us winning up there at the moment. It may be a while til we are ready to compete at places like Anfield again. Hope he doesn't rush half fit players back for this one as the WBA game is a real 6 pointer and one we have a realistic chance of winning.
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3-1 to them, they'll take the lead around the 20 minute mark, bag a 2nd on 44, Gabby will pull one back on 76, alot of pressure from us before they hit us on the break in injury time, its all a bit predictable of late
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the WBA game is a real 6 pointer
I think that alone shows how far we have fallen. Sad times indeed.
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What injury Bannan got ?
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Friedel
Beye, Collins, Cuellar, L Young
Ireland, Hogg, Clark, Downing
Gabby, Fonz
Liverpool are a poor side and in normal circumstances we would be looking forward to this game to turn them over.
Cant see anything but a defeat to a late Liverpool goal unfortunately.
Gabby is not an option in midfield but he'll probably play on the left, Downing on the right and Ireland disappeared in a hole next to a statue of Carew. Warnock to spend 5 mins rolling around the ground 'in agony', Dunne and Collins to continue to struggle and Brad Friedel to move across the goal in slow motion for Kyriagokos late header.
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Friedel
Cuellar - Dunne - Collins - Young
Ireland - Clark - Hogg - Warnock - Downing
Gabby
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Houllier 1998>2004 3 - 1 Houllier Redux 2010
Them: Kuyt & Torres (2)
Us: Agbonlahor
Friedel
Young Cuellar Collins Warnock
Clark TheSandman
VillaSubmariner Ireland Downing
Agbonlahor
Subs: Guzan, Rigobert Song, Djimi Traore, Bruno Cheyrou, Salifou, Erik Meijer & Jean-Michel Ferri
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3 - 0 redscouse.
We might play some reasonably attractive football, but without any real punch.
Then the inevitable defensive errors
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Not holding out any hope at all for this, minimum of 3-0 to them.
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1 nil Villa, L Young
Friedel
Young Collins Dunne Warnock
Ireland Hogg Clark Downing
Agbonlahor Delfouneso
Guzan Cuellar Beye Lichaj Herd Pires Carew
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I don't see them being much better than the blues.They have a better attack,but worse defence. I think we'll lose,but it'll be a good performance and only by 1 goal.
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if Dunne leaves now he might make his first tackle on time the fat, overweight, lard arse. We'll lose this one 3-1.
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GHou to wave to the crowd and step into the wrong dugout (á la Big Ron in his first game in charge at Forest). That Pokemon character S(qu)Kertel to score an og for us, the Spanish girl who has lost his blonde mane to equalise for them. 1-1.
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Draw 0-0
No goals; no interest
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fuck this. 6 nil Clark double, Gabby hattrick and Downing scoring what turns out to be goal of the season.
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This is where things click. Liverpool aren't close to what they used to be and their confidence is fragile at best, and will be without Carragher and Gerrard. I think we'll take advantage. I'll take 2-1. Gabby and Downing.
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A famous win for our young guns.
Unlikely but it has been a strange week.
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3-1 to Liverpool for me, Gabby will get our goal!
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I see that English Messi Joe Cole threw a strop when he was hooked by Uncle Woy following another ineffective performance.
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Joe cole will play against us I'm sure.
Let's all pray for a postponement!
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fuck this. 6 nil Clark double, Gabby hattrick and Downing scoring what turns out to be goal of the season.
Ah so Davis Cameron IS really a Villa fan and posts under the name MoetVillan. Interesting.
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Hard to see Torres not having a field day against our defence at the moment. I'd go:
Friedel - Young, Cuellar, Dunne, Warnock - Ireland, Hogg, Clark - Fonz, Gabby, Downing
Subs: Guzan, Collins, Beye, Lichaj, Johnson, Herd, Carew
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Hard to see Torres not having a field day against our defence at the moment. I'd go:
Friedel - Young, Cuellar, Dunne, Warnock - Ireland, Hogg, Clark - Fonz, Gabby, Downing
Subs: Guzan, Collins, Beye, Lichaj, Johnson, Herd, Carew
Sorry mate your having an absolute laugh.
Drop Dunne for Cueller not Collins.
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I don't think he'll drop dunne with so little experience elsewhere in the team.
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I don't think he'll drop dunne with so little experience elsewhere in the team.
He'll provide a larger obstacle for Torres to get past.
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I don't think he'll drop dunne with so little experience elsewhere in the team.
Experience has nothing to do with it.
Dunne is shockingly shite.
Overwieght
Unfit
Out of form
And costing us goals every bloody game.
If our season has proved anything it's that we can count on our young lads, shame we can't on our "experienced" players.
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Table is looking grim, we need at least a point up there, I'd play Dunne and tell him he'd better start leading from the front.
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This is a game we used to look foward too, now we're it's not a game we're looking foward too despite how bad Liverpool are these days. Under the circumstances a point would be pretty big for us just to try and get kick started again putting more belief back into the team. It's now getting to the stage where the longer we don't win, the more we put ourselves in danger of slipping down further and further making it look pretty worrying. I'm still banging my head over the United and Fulham results, I know I should get over it but it's so annoying.
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Didn't i read somewhere that Albrighton and Heskey were back in training for this one, while Bannan was 'a doubt'? All the bloody doom and gloom here, the scousers have a misfiring Torres, no Gerrard, no Carragher and a bunch of average joe's. 2-0 to Villa, Gabby and Downing.
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If Bannan is out then i would go with:
----------Friedel-----------
Young----Dunne/Collins----Cuellar----Warnock
---------Ireland-----Clark------Hogg
-------Fonz-------------Gabby----------Downing
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Gerard to talk endlessly about Stevie, Michael and of course Jamie as he goes all misty-eyed, rolls over and lets his beloved Liverpool tickle his tummy.
Can't see anything other than a defeat and we are in big trouble.
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cant see us getting anything out of this im afraid.3-1 defeat
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Right now I'd settle for a draw.
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We have a defence that will concede goals and until we get that sorted we wont be wining too many, cant see anything but a defeat
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Gonna be optimistic now with Gabby back Liverpool o - Villa 1 ....
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Dunne should be dropped, Cueller is much better. Why can't GH see that?
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We have an awful away record, and the worst form against top half teams out of the whole division. And we're defending like keystone cops. Three nil to them I reckon, but back on track v west brom
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2-1 to the Scallys
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We have an awful away record, and the worst form against top half teams out of the whole division. And we're defending like keystone cops. Three nil to them I reckon, but back on track v west brom
Why does everyone seem to think we'll be back on track v West Brom? They are 8th and clearly better than us at the minute. Anyway, a heavy defeat in this one is the only likely outcome. 3-0 to Liverpool.
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Think I'd be more than happy with a point tomorrow, but with our away record don't think we will get anything. Big game for Ireland tomorrow too.
2-1
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2-0 or 3-0 defeat.
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Not confident.
2-0 to them, with the second coming in the 88th minute.
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I'd easily settle for a draw but I think we're going to lose this one.
I'm going for 2-1 to them.
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0-2 to us provided Torres has an off day. Liverpool are no great shakes right now, I think we will do well.
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Dunne should be dropped, Cueller is much better. Why can't GH see that?
Same for me. Why? I have still faith, but if he continues, we should begin to blame him for playing Dunne, not only MON who brought him.
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We're not going to get anything from this one, I fear.
In fact, I suspect things are going to get much worse before they start to get better. Liverpool, Albion, Wigan, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City.
Not many points in that. Two I reckon.
We just need to keep our heads and tough it out.
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1-0 to the Redscouse.
We'll boss the game for long periods, nice pretty patterns in non threatening areas and even have a few chances.
But then Podge will lose whoever he's meant to be marking or do something really daft to gift the bindippers a goal in the last 10 minutes. If he doesn't someone else will.
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I would be great to get something out of this, obviously. But I doubt it. If Torres was out too, then I'd fancy it.
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Two very average sides at the moment. Draw.
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In fact, I suspect things are going to get much worse before they start to get better. Liverpool, Albion, Wigan, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City.
Not many points in that. Two I reckon.
We just need to keep our heads and tough it out.
Problem is, we'll be in the relegation zone by Xmas, we had better start 2011 with some new found zest, zeal and results.
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We have an awful away record, and the worst form against top half teams out of the whole division. And we're defending like keystone cops. Three nil to them I reckon, but back on track v west brom
Why does everyone seem to think we'll be back on track v West Brom? They are 8th and clearly better than us at the minute. Anyway, a heavy defeat in this one is the only likely outcome. 3-0 to Liverpool.
Holtender
I mad this point a week or so a go
Just because its Albion everyone expects 3 points
If they have a good day and we don't they'll stuff us. More worrying is they haven't beat us sijnce about 1984 so they have to be due a win sometime
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3-0.
Panic will set in after this one and cue "villa in crisis" forum on Football Focus on Saturday.
Can't say I'm that optimisitic about beating the baggies either.
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We can pull this off tonight......
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If heskey is fit I'd be tempted to revert to 4-4-2. It can work wellawY from home where you're trying to be solid and break. Ireland would play right mid.
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We are struggling in so many areas right now i'm hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
3-1 to the Dippers and a worrying month ahead.
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I'd play Heskey and Gabby tonight. Hopefully Heskey will help us retain posession a bit better.
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If Heskey is available, has he played any reserve games?
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Sky sports news say Heskey isn't playing. The score, either 2-1 to us, or 5-0 them.
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We are gonna win this, I can feel it.
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2-0 them, I think were pretty average at moment and the battle will be lost in the middle
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I'm watching this one with my Liverpool supporting housemate. We are both terrified actually! He reckons we will stuff them and I am hoping we are still in the game at half time.
Maybe the fact they're having such a bad season and it's GH's return to Anfield gives us more of a chance? Two Anfield wins on the trot would be nice....
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No Gerrard or Carragher for them, Sotoris Carcrash is playing so we'll get chances.
A point will do me. 1-1.
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I'm watching this one with my Liverpool supporting housemate. We are both terrified actually! He reckons we will stuff them and I am hoping we are still in the game at half time.
Same with my Liverpool-supporting colleague. Each trying to convince the other that we don't expect anything out of the game
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I expect us to perform well and give it a go, we'll lose 2-0.
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If we had Petrov or NRC we'd win this game, even if they had Gerrard and everyone, we'd win with either of those fit to play in deep midfield with Clark, allowing us to play Bannan and Ireland/Pires further forward. Ah well.
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Is Bannan injured for this one?
Times say
Brad snr
L Young
Mr. Creosote
Collins
Warnock
Pires
Ireland
Hogg
Downing
Carew
Gabby
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Bannan is doubtful. You're surely not suggesting going to Anfield and playing 4-4-2 there, Ace? Considering as well that to play that the very least you need is a combative, tight midfield without too much width (Pires, Downing and Ireland don't fulfil that requirement), and two strikers who work harder than a Nike-employed child (Carew is not that).
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Bannan is doubtful. You're surely not suggesting going to Anfield and playing 4-4-2 there, Ace?
No.
The Times are.
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Is Bannan injured for this one?
Times say
Brad snr
L Young
Mr. Creosote
Collins
Warnock
Pires
Ireland
Hogg
Downing
Carew
Gabby
How lightweight is that midfield? The thought of Pires starting scares me.
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Oh right. That's because they don't understand that Young isn't a striker I suppose. It must be difficult for the poor lambs to keep up with the tactical nuances of the little provincial teams like us. Easier for them to pidgeonhole us into a stereotypical formation than to give any actual thought to how we'll play.
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I'd forgotten Ash was suspended. Bannan doubtful too, so the bones get barer and barer...
I'd go with this. It's a bit of a mish-mash but then that's what we're down to. I'm going to assume Bannan is out, but that Cuellar is fit enough. If not, obviously replace him with Dunne (sigh). Heskey fit enough for the bench, not to start.
Friedel
Young Cuellar Collins Warnock
Ireland Hogg Clark
Agbonlahor Delfouneso Downing
Subs: Guzan, Dunne, Lichaj, Herd, Pires, Carew, Heskey
It's a narrow midfield three, verging on Hogg and Clark playing deeper and screening the back four with Ireland just in front. Gabby reprises his wide right/right sided striker of two seasons ago, Downing wide left. Both have to be up and down, tracking back when needed. Fonz gets the centre forward nod over Carew (doesn't have the legs/heart for this role anymore IMO) and Heskey (not fit enough to start).
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What about something a bit out of left field/desperate?
...............................Friedel
Lichaj..........Cuellar.............Collins.........Young
................Hogg........Clark......Warnock
.......Ireland.................................Downing
...........................Agbonlahor
I would however play 4-4-2 like so...
.............................Friedel
Young...........Collins.........Cuellar..........Warnock
.....................Hogg...........Clark
Ireland...............................................Downing
..............Agbonlahor........Delfouneso
Carew does not deserve a start and Fonz does. If Bannan makes it, he plays instead of Hogg and we play a fluid system with Ireland tucking in and Downing getting forward more and maybe Gabby dropping off wide right when needed.
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strangely looking forward to this game, liverpool not the force rhey used to be and also missing key players. The game is for the taking 2-1 villa ireland and the fonz to get the goals,
freidel
young cuellar collins warnock
gabby clark hogg downing
ireland
the fonz
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http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,15205_6550969,00.html
Merse going for a draw.
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The lop-sided 4-4-2 occurred to me as well, Maz, but definitely with Bannan starting if he's fit. If not, I imagine Ireland would come inside and Gabby drop wide every now and again.
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I like the look of Merv's team - makes the best use of what remains of our depleted squad.
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Maz's second line up for me, I do like Gabby through the middle though, so on occassions I'd rather it was Fonz dropping wide right, like he did effectively at home to Blackburn in the league cup, he also has a trick up his sleeve to do a full back, Gab doesn't really for me. Gab's pace right through the middle should trouble Skrtel and Kyrgiakos who aren't great. Centre mid will be even weaker without Barry. If we had NRC and Stan in there i might fancy us.
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3-0 defeat
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3-4 past us.
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Surprised houllier hasn't tried warnock in midfield as many Blackburn fans reckon that's his best position- I don't expect anything tonight to be honest and watching west brom play a lovely passing game yesterday leaves me less than hopeful on Saturday- we need reo - coker and heskey back asap!
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Looking desperate in midfield now. Can't see anything except a loss.
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................Friedel
Young Cuellar Collins Warnock
Pires Ireland Hogg Clark Downing
.................Gabby
??
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No Gerrard or Carragher for them, Sotoris Carcrash is playing so we'll get chances.
A point will do me. 1-1.
I reckon Carcrash will score against us and our set piece defending.
Anyway, my side would be:
Friedel
Lichaj Cuellar Collins LYoung
Hogg Clark
Delfouneso Ireland Downing
Gabby
I expect to see Carew, Warnock and Dunne play however.
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If Bannan is out I'd be tempted to play Warnock in midfield.
Carlos is fit again, isn't he?
If so, I'd look at
-------------------------------Friedel--------------------------------------
Cuellar---------------Collins-----------Dunne------------L.Young-----
Ireland--------------Hogg-------------Clark--------------Warnock-----
----------------------------Downing----------------------------------------
------------------------------Gabby-----------------------------------------
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I cant see us having a chance tonight. Our forms awful. 2-0 them
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I think we might get a right hammering tonight, especially if Bannan is out. Liverpool are crap, but we are worse!!
4 - 0. :(
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The only thing keeping me going is that I was expecting a right hammering there last season, but with Beye, Shorey and Sidwell in the team, we twatted them 3-1.
So, 3-1 to us. Agbonlahor (2) and Ireland.
Otherwise the sight of Houllier waving at the Kop with misty eyes might tip me over the edge.
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Not looking foward to this tonight... especially if Cuellar is not playing. Surely he's got to be back when we play the Baggies?
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Ireland/Hogg/Clark (a central defender) as our midfield - my spidey sense in tingling - and not in a good way.
Tragically think the only way we'll get anything out of this is if the fa changes the points rules and awards some for shots on target - hold on that's not going to work for us - how about points for every stone overweight you're captain is, or points for every £million wiped off Irelands resale value after he "weaves his magic".
In the need to laugh or will cry corner at the mo - roll on Jan!
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The last time I felt this queasy was when the team against Manure was announced - similar performance should settle me old tum though...
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I do hope Ireland steps up to the plate ( thus ensuring that Dunnie doesn't get their first) ......
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I apologise if this has already been covered... but is Cuellar fit to play tonight? I checked phyisoroom.com and he's not on our injury list, he was on the bench against small heath, hopefully he makes his comeback tonight.
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Cuellar's fit according to his facebook.
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Wasn't the same fixture last season played with similar expectations?
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Cuellar in for Dunne hopefully.
I thought Ireland finally started to show some promise last game when he came on, so maybe just maybe.
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Cuellar's fit according to his facebook.
Good news. I really hope Houllier starts him tonight...
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It's on Villastreams now!
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Come on Villa. Just get one back. Come on Villa !
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Rats ! 3 -0 down. Come on Villa just get a goal back.