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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 01, 2010, 02:53:43 PM
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Available Wednesday night.
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Well, that wasn't much fun.
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Sack Houllier now before he reverses us all the way into the Championship.
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Knuckledraggers on the pitch. What a surprise.
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Their fans on the pitch yet again says it all. They should finally be fucking done for it. ******.
As for the players, Dunne and Collins should be very ashamed, the rest did great, and hammered them but were undone by the 2 at the back.
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look at the cnuts on the pitch.. throw them out the competiton
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Another deflected effort flies just out of Brads reach. How many times has that happened to us this season? They were never going to score any other way though.
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That's that then. Let's concentrate on the FA Cup and avoiding relegation.
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Overpaid ******. Fuck them all. Get rid of Dunne. He's on 50,000-60,000 a week and he can't even be professional enough to keep his weight in check. Lazy fucker. Absolute disgrace
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Collins and Dunne are an absolute disgrace. They must both be dropped, enough is enough.
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I'd have put my house on us losing this a couple of hours ago. Why do they make me hope?
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Predictable defeat. Nothing else matters.
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Yet again, Dunne and Collins let us down. Yet again, match after match.
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gutted. Not much to add really. We have a bright future, I really believe that, but it's going to be a tough road before things get better again. We'll come through this.
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Fuck me, I feel shit
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I fucking hate football!! Feel really sorry for all you guys and gals who live in the 2nd city! They didn't deserve the win at all.
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Of course, nobody went on the pitch after the Villa vs Blackburn semi...
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Pissed off with that! How on earth we didnt win that after the 2nd half, but as usual defence mistake costs us
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Sack Houllier now before he reverses us all the way into the Championship.
Oh please.
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The reality if we look past the luck is, that if you can't defend and you don't score enough you are not going to win many games. Injury crisis or not, there is no excuse for the defence.
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1 win in 10 games says it all, say what you like about giving Houllier time to build his team, but this is fucking shameful. He'll be building a team for the Championship at the rate, he needs to get his shit together.
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How small time are the Blues?! Pitch invasion?!?!
Every cloud though - the Baggies lost at Ipswich to a dubious penalty!!!
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They won their cup final, big fucking deal.
I hope they get Arsenal & get royally fucked.
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Sickening. We outplayed them and we were doomed by absolutely shite defending. Dunne should never put on the shirt again.
Friedel - Did well with some good saves.
LYoung - Poor, made some bad errors too.
Dunne - A fucking joke. He should wear a red nose and big shoes every time he plays. He is worse at football than I am and even bloody fatter too.
Collins - Little better than his mate. He has regressed gradually throughout the season.
Warnock - Did better. Our best defender but that is saying nothing. Got forward well.
Downing - Poor. Didn't use the ball well.
Bannan - Quiet to start with but came into the game in the second half
Hogg - Superb and he moved the ball well. Didn't deserve to be on the losing side.
Clark - Reasonable enough but a bit quiet.
AYoung - Fairly decent and did reasonably well.
Agbonlahor - Did well too.
Oh great. Crowd trouble. Not like it was unforeseen.
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Of course, nobody went on the pitch after the Villa vs Blackburn semi...
cant remember them running up to the blackburn fans throwing objects and taunting them...
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Of course, nobody went on the pitch after the Villa vs Blackburn semi...
I was thinking the same.
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Another deflected effort flies just out of Brads reach. How many times has that happened to us this season? They were never going to score any other way though.
We were never going to score either. balls into the box for Young and Bannan to win? WTF
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Nothing to be ashamed of, we outclassed them. They will get found out eventually and let's enjoy Arsenal beating them in either the semi or the final. They are truly awful to watch...
Three points however
1. Our defence is absolutely awful, I would get Clark back there with Cuellar pdq but somehow you know it won't happen
2. Houllier made the wrong decision in taking off Bannan for Ireland who was yet again atrocious. Downing is the player who should have been subbed. Ireland can sod off come January and take Carew and Warnock with him
3. Ashley Young irritates the hell out of me - can't he just go for a cross, pass or chance full on without having half an eye all the time on appealing for some spurious decision
Anyway, we need to focus on the league. Heads up, take it on the chin and on we move
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Didn't deserve to lose that, but got to realise that high balls don't work.
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What the fuck has happened to Dunne...still looks about a stone overweight to me.
Played decent football, had all the possession but don't score and create chances and that's what happens....
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I just knew that would happen..another bloody late goal as well. On balance I thought we played well but our two central defenders have gone from excelent last season to awful this season.
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dunne and collins are absolute garbage,cuellar needs to start playin cb
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1 win in 10 games says it all, say what you like about giving Houllier time to build his team, but this is fucking shameful. He'll be building a team for the Championship at the rate, he needs to get his shit together.
You can't blame GH for that - the team as a whole lacks enthusiasm, and when they do have a go, the senior players don't give a fuck.
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Blimey we need some re-enforcements on Jan 1.
Dunne looks pretty tubby at the moment. Much heavier and slower than last season. Come back soon Carlos!
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Sack Houllier now before he reverses us all the way into the Championship.
Oh do piss off.
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What is bothering me is not that we lost, nor particularly who we lost to, but the fact that losing is becoming a habit. And when that happens it becomes a very hard habit to break. December could turn into a very bleak month indeed.
As for the victors - let's hope and pray it's Arsenal in the semis.
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they had one attack in the second half and scored, you just knew this was going to happen we have a couple of old cloggers in defence an ageing goalkeeper and where was Downing? i am begining to worry about the regime now
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Lots of pretty passing. Lots of possession. Not enough penetration.
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We were comfortably the better side. Really good performance. Dominated chances and possession.
Mistakes cost us.
Dunne and Collins for the first, Dunne for Jerome's miss, poor defending for their should have been second and Dunne and Warnock for the winner.
If Cuellar was fully fit and played, and we'd have kept Bannan on, I'm certain we'd have won it.
But fuck it, they were due one, and lets hope to christ they get Arsenal in the semi finals now.
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The word that springs to mind to describe that show would be "brittle" - easily broken.
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Hope the get Arsenal in the semi.
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I've stuck up for the manager so far but if he plays that useless twat Dunne ever again it will be it.
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Didn't deserve to lose that, but got to realise that high balls don't work.
We can hardly moan about what we 'deserved' when they had another goal wrongly ruled out just before we equalised. We got more than our share of luck in that game, and we weren't good enough. Lots of time passing the ball around, aspiring to be Arsenal, no time spent actually going to win the game. this is the shit we used to rip the piss out of Albion for under Mowbray. Our team is a joke.
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Absolutely smashed em 2nd half, gotta find some potency up front, especially while being so dodgey at the back.
On a positive note I dont feel as angry or pissed off as I did after the poor display at Home. Jammy B-LOSE Fuckers!!!!
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Live on sky news now. Not good
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
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called it, we're in trouble.
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We were comfortably the better side. Really good performance. Dominated chances and possession.
Mistakes cost us.
Dunne and Collins for the first, Dunne for Jerome's miss, poor defending for their should have been second and Dunne and Warnock for the winner.
If Cuellar was fully fit and played, and we'd have kept Bannan on, I'm certain we'd have won it.
But fuck it, they were due one, and lets hope to christ they get Arsenal in the semi finals now.
Arsenal in the final will be much more enjoyable, watching them get passed to shreds!
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And Downing's a proper fucking pansy.
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Blose will draw Arsenal and get stuffed 6-1, they did not desrve to win tonight, only one team in it second half, their goal was lucky too, more of a scuff, could have gone anywhere.
A lousy day at work and now this.....................
Give 'em their moment in the sun, we all know it won't last.
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ok the defence is shit but how are we going to score goals
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Disappointing but I thought we played well for the most part. Cack defending when we needed it let us down again, but I was very impressed with Hogg and Bannan especially in the second half. The problem is with playing Blues is that if they somehow go ahead in a game they're quite happy to sit in their own penalty area and soak up the pressure, it's very difficult to break through.
Oh well, let them have their fun and I hope Arsenal muller them in the next round.
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Sick, not just at the loss but the though they might win a trophy, but grateful again that I don't know any Blues fans.
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A golden opportunity to win a trophy blown - I bet they get Ipswich in the semi.
Surprisingly, i'm not overly bothered. We couldn't go on beating them forever and with all our injuries and being away from home it was all stacked in their favour.
Three defeats on the bounce now and can't see us doing anything on Monday. Cue the calls for Houllier's head.
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They've just gone through to the semi-finals and all their chavvy, inbred morons care about is running on the pitch and taunting the Villa fans? Why doesn't that surprise me. They're scumbags. I don't care if I sound snobby - I'd rather be snobby than a lowlife loser.
We were the better side, dominated most of the match... bad defending letting them break like that on the 2nd goal. We're playing and not getting results - that's what's pissing me off.
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A victory for anti football. Blues are so boring to watch it is untrue. Absolutely massacred them yet defensive errors let us down - again.
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I thought bannan was wasted out on the wing, missed his creativity in midfield. Once again missing a cutting edge, we need to spend serious money on a proven striker, and defence well how far has that fallen from last season
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Fully expected it.
So why does it bother me so much?
We served it up on a plate to them tonight. They offered very little going forward but what little they offered we couldn't cope with.
Only problem for them is they won't play another side as weak as us defensively in the rest of the tournament.
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So another day and once again we we played good football but lost. The defence is letting us down. Waat Cuellar needs to do to get a game is beyond me.
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Of course, nobody went on the pitch after the Villa vs Blackburn semi...
That wasn't to goad the opposition fans though, we were just celebrating getting to the carling cup final. The stupid knuckledragging scum have just won theirs the bunch of twats.
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
With you every word of the way. We just need to hold our nerve and hang on in there...
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I thought we played really well without getting that 2nd goal. They got lucky on this occasion and law of averages favoured them. I'm not going to come here and slag our team because we lost as we played the best game since Utd. They had one shot on target in the 2nd half and scored.
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I think somebody already said it, but the important thing is how we take this defeat. Take it in good grace, square on the chin. We are not good enough. But we are Aston Villa, and the very least we can do is show a bit of class after a defeat that many of us wholly expected.
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My favourite moment was pelty gettting wound up because I wasn't on message.
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Of course, nobody went on the pitch after the Villa vs Blackburn semi...
Yes, but our fans didnt run straight over to the Blackburn fans and have a go at them. Disgusting behaviour, throwing flares etc. Chuck the animals out of the competition
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So another day and once again we we played good football but lost. The defence is letting us down. Waat Cuellar needs to do to get a game is beyond me.
In fairness he's only coming back to fitness. I'd imagine he'll be starting on monday.
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Bloose were poor. We played by far the better football but at the end of the day if you don't have a cutting edge and don't score sooner or later the inevitable will happen. And it did.
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
Well said
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Lots of pretty passing. Lots of possession. Not enough penetration.
true but we havent got the players with that cutting edge, they are too lightweight. thats not the managers fault, he will
sort it out but young,Downing and bannon together too lightweight.. need a nasty bastard in the miidle and a striker who scores goals..... defence is fooking awful, dunne and colins to be dropped and clark and cuellar to start please..
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Of course, nobody went on the pitch after the Villa vs Blackburn semi...
I was thinking the same.
Not endorsing either act at all, but at Villa Park that was to get through to a final was it not, and not just the semi?? I dont recall anyone running onto the pitch to invade when we beat Portsmouth?? I may be wrong though as I wasnt there although my brother was and dont remember him saying there was.
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My favourite moment was pelty gettting wound up because I wasn't on message.
Drop and give me 10 cheese eating surrender monkey!
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The thing that worries me is that Dunne was awful prior to Cuellar getting injured and he wasn't dropped. So I can't see it now.
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the problem is that we played them off the park and then we ask oir defenders to defend and our creative players to create, why take bannan off why play him on the wing we are fucked
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If we're honest they should have been 2-0 up before we scored - couldn't see anything wrong with their disallowed goal. Having got away with that I thought perhaps luck was on our side but just wasn't to be
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So blues get our World cup bid sent down the pan. They are gonna be popular on their travells.
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So another day and once again we we played good football but lost. The defence is letting us down. Waat Cuellar needs to do to get a game is beyond me.
You think that was good football? We created few chances, and frankly, though Blues looked like creating nothing, I was terrified every time they came close to our defence, because we didn't look like we could handle it. If all you look at is the passing in the middle 50% of the pitch, then yeah, we looked great. But you don't get points or cups for nice little passing sessions in no mans land.
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Of course, nobody went on the pitch after the Villa vs Blackburn semi...
Yes, but our fans didnt run straight over to the Blackburn fans and have a go at them. Disgusting behaviour, throwing flares etc. Chuck the animals out of the competition
Ah, yes. Oh! I switched the stream off 0.000004567 secs after the final whistle. Oh. Fucking ******! The gold-plated testes show up the animal world once again.
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After the ManU game I thought we had a bright future under GH.
I am now not so sure. This is like Forest when everybody said they were too good to go down.
What manager allows our CH to be so fat and unfit?
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
With you every word of the way. We just need to hold our nerve and hang on in there...
Agreed, we played them off the park we were the only team in the 2nd half... we need to get to January 1st and get some injured players back, Arsenal are desperate for a trophy and the rags won't get in their way. Let them kid themselves that they are a good team, so they have more games to play and forget about the league. UTV
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We looked good & pretty stable, without too much creativity & a wobbly defense. Ordinary. Football is cruel sometimes.
They need shooting.
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We need the time to consolidate and regroup anyway. As players come back, Houllier needs to decide on his best first team matchday squad and, just as importantly, who goes or is dropped out of the picture....
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and to make matters worse ashly young misses the liverpool game monday after his 5th booking of the season, for arguing with the linesman! muppet
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8 fucking seconds after the final whistle the first gloating text arrives from a nose.
I congratulated him & his team on their cup final win.
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That was a fucking disgrace by our defence.
Collins is basically playing on his own. Dunne must be dropped, get Cueller and Collins together.
And I think we do need a new keeper in the summer, Freidel is still quality but mistakes are creeping into his game more often.
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I still stick by the encouragement that we are playing much better football. I think if GH brings in 2 or 3 of his own players this January the we will be fine and heading in the right direction.
I get the feeling that Dunne & Collins are being encouraged to be more cultured CB's, which they obviously aren't, and told to play the ball out from the back. Normaly, I would have thought, Ginge would have smashed the ball over the top, just before the penalty, out in to row Z! Dunne, I agree, looks out of shape and extremely out of form, hopefully Carlos will be ready for Monday.
With Ashley out of the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' game, I hope we go with Gabby & The Fonz up top, although I imagine Ireland will come in instead.
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The question is how long can we keep playing some good football which getting better and better but not seeing the results? How the fuck did small heath win tonight - they were non-existent in the second-half. Have no idea what Collins was doing tonight - get Cuellar back in the team ASAP.
small heath are an incredibly lucky team - we'll be better in the long term - just needs time and more backbone in the team at certain moments.
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That was a fucking disgrace by our defence.
Collins is basically playing on his own. Dunne must be dropped, get Cueller and Collins together.
And I think we do need a new keeper in the summer, Freidel is still quality but mistakes are creeping into his game more often.
To be fair Collins was equally inept, and fucking dense in the last couple of minutes up front.
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The problem is that when it came to it, a number of our players could not step up to the mark, they let us down
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We were the better side by far but the same old problems - no penetration at one end and defence like butter at the other.
O'Neill was good at getting average players to over perform. Take away the O'Neill effect and you are left with some limited plodders.
Friedel has the occasional great game but lets in far too many saveable goals for my liking, and flaps a fair bit when under aerial pressure - in contrast to Ben Foster. The fumble for the disallowed goal was awful. Well past it in my opinion, sign Given or someone in January please.
Dunne should add a "y" to the end of his name because he is toilet. Clearly overweight, slow and seems uninterested. His attempt to get over to block Jerome for the second goal made Barry look like Usain Bolt. Surely Clark, Cuellar or Curtis Davies could do better.
I thought Gabby did very well, Ash worked hard but once again wasted corners and possession.
The young lads all came out with credit. Hogg improved a lot tonight.
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and to make matters worse ashly young misses the liverpool game monday after his 5th booking of the season, for arguing with the linesman! muppet
Which of his bookings aren't for dissent or petulance? He is starting to really infuriate me.
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"I think you got off lucky" has appeared on one of my 'social networking' pages.
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They won't beat west ham
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Playing them off the park is one thing, creating some chances and putting them away is another.
The two dopes in the centre of our defence need to get their shit together or we are seriously fcuked.
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I fucking well hope Houllier's the man, or we are fucked.
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
With you every word of the way. We just need to hold our nerve and hang on in there...
Agreed, we played them off the park we were the only team in the 2nd half... we need to get to January 1st and get some injured players back, Arsenal are desperate for a trophy and the rags won't get in their way. Let them kid themselves that they are a good team, so they have more games to play and forget about the league. UTV
Agreed...for some reason not that bothered about losing to them tonight. Better team by a mile tonight. Need Heskey, Albrighton, NRC and Petrov back, add a few others in January and we'll be fine. These games the kids are playing in are just what they need and none look out of depth. Just a shame the defence looks brittle now.
One thing I do like lately is the way they are keeping the ball, playing possession football from back to front and not just lumping it. It will come, it will take time but it'll be worth it.
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Friedel - 6
L. Young - 6 Quiet enough but did nothing wrong for me
Dunne & Collins - 2. Deserve to be thrown in together. Pathetic.
Warnock - 6 Not bad
Downing - 5 Not great
Hogg - 4 Lacks the quality, not going to make it
Bannan - 5 Not a winger, wasted out there
A. Young - 5 Not good enough for me, can't remember one decent ball into the box from him
Clarke - 5 May have to revise my prediction of him as a midfielder
Gabby - 7 Well taken goal and our only threat
Subs
Ireland - 6 Couple of nice touches, worked reasonably hard, possibly should have done better with the chance.
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Gabby, Bannan, Hogg were good. However our defence is consistently conceding two or more goals a game, which makes it impossible for our attack.
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The question is how long can we keep playing some good football which getting better and better but not seeing the results? How the fuck did small heath win tonight - they were non-existent in the second-half. Have no idea what Collins was doing tonight - get Cuellar back in the team ASAP.
small heath are an incredibly lucky team - we'll be better in the long term - just needs time and more backbone in the team at certain moments.
I know this won't go down well but I would still rather this scenario in some ways than what O'Neill was serving up. Because I always knew we would get found out playing his brand of football and we did...every season. I can actually see far more of a way forward in the current circumstances which I realise sounds bizarre at this moment in time
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So another day and once again we we played good football but lost. The defence is letting us down. Waat Cuellar needs to do to get a game is beyond me.
spot on. It wasn't a good performance at all.
You think that was good football? We created few chances, and frankly, though Blues looked like creating nothing, I was terrified every time they came close to our defence, because we didn't look like we could handle it. If all you look at is the passing in the middle 50% of the pitch, then yeah, we looked great. But you don't get points or cups for nice little passing sessions in no mans land.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
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Right, off to watch The Apprentice. Hopefully that'll cheer me up a bit.
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Gabby, Bannan, Hogg were good. However our defence is consistently conceding two or more goals a game, which makes it impossible for our attack.
Would help if they could score more often
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If anyone wants to pop round and beat me unconscious with a length of timber, go ahead.
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Never deserved to lose, and to a jacksy goal from a terrible player. We were a shower defensively again though. We have to make changes there. I thought Hogg was very good. Really pissed off.
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All they had to do was put men behind the ball and bang it into our box, that was enough to win the game. We are fucked
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
Sorry ozzjim, that's not going to cut it tonight.
We've just gobbed it in spectacular style to our local rivals, making all their dreams come true.
If we were having an otherwise decent season it might be a bit easier to tolerate but the same failings as we've seen all year have cost us again. The LC probably represented our best chance of salvaging anything from this increasingly wretched season - had we lost to any other side in the last seven minutes tonight it would still have been hard to take.
To lose to the Rags is just the cow pat flavoured icing on the stale cake.
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I thought Ireland did ok in is 15 minutes, he is looking better. I really thought ash would score from the Ireland rebound shot and Hogg did pretty well..... Gabby was good after recent injuries . Downing disapointed me . Clark was quiet...
I would have took dunne off at HT and repalced with clark and brought Ireland on and fonz should have come on earlier...
At least ash young wont be able to frustrate me Monday night
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They won't beat west ham
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Oh please let them beat West Ham and get ripped one on the wide open expanses of Wembley by Arsenal. I could easily see that being about 4-0
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I was very critical of O'Neill for his 'win at all costs' mentality, featuring largely bland and boring football. I certainly wouldn't want him back, not after the way he left us in the shit, but I'm starting to think we've jumped from one extreme to the other, and my judgement of him was rather foolish.
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I was told that the city was ours.
Elaborate lie.
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The question is how long can we keep playing some good football which getting better and better but not seeing the results? How the fuck did small heath win tonight - they were non-existent in the second-half. Have no idea what Collins was doing tonight - get Cuellar back in the team ASAP.
small heath are an incredibly lucky team - we'll be better in the long term - just needs time and more backbone in the team at certain moments.
I know this won't go down well but I would still rather this scenario in some ways than what O'Neill was serving up. Because I always knew we would get found out playing his brand of football and we did...every season. I can actually see far more of a way forward in the current circumstances which I realise sounds bizarre at this moment in time
Agree. I said it myself that we were going to be midtable at best under MoN and give or take 10 injuries that seems to be the trajectory.
Hopefully, Blues will get England's WC bid thrown out and get the scorn they deserve. Also, the FL kick them out and give West Ham a bye into the final. We don't deserve a semi final.
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I hope West Ham stuff em. As an aside did anyone else find it strange that the " balls" for the draw were square and didn't seem to be mixed up first? Conspiracy theorists would have a field day!!
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Gabby, Bannan, Hogg were good. However our defence is consistently conceding two or more goals a game, which makes it impossible for our attack.
Would help if they could score more often
Even if they did at the moment they'd have to score 3 a game to stand a chance of winning.
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After the ManU game I thought we had a bright future under GH.
I am now not so sure. This is like Forest when everybody said they were too good to go down.
What manager allows our CH to be so fat and unfit?
The ****** should be fined every fucking week. I'm sick of seeing the fat fucker dawdling around making mistakes cause he's so over weight he can't keep up with the game. He's a disgrace and needs to be told as much.
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Lets hope that our World Cup 2018 wasn't hanging on one chaps vote, and as the final whistle approached he was thinking "wow, what an atmosphere and emd of your seat match......i'll give England my vote". Then, 60 seconds later as he sees home fans steaming down the pitch to the away section, launching a flair into their allocation, and when provoked our fans start launching there chairs back at em.
Cuz if he was. i'd say that just about fucked it and swung it away from us.
On a side note, I feel sick. Even doing em at their place now in the league could potentially end with a "yeah but we knocked you out the cup and then went and won it! I certainly would of rather taken the victory tonight.
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Atleast Collins doesn't hide, and looks like he keeps himself in relatively good shape. Dunne is a big fat fuck who hides. He's no captain.
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I hope West Ham stuff em. As an aside did anyone else find it strange that the " balls" for the draw were square and didn't seem to be mixed up first? Conspiracy theorists would have a field day!!
They probably wanted to keep the two big teams, West Ham and Arsenal apart as the Rags won't fill Wembley which is just embarrassing to everyone concerned...except us!
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
Completely agree
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
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if you always do what youve always done, then you will always get what you always got! MON won these games but could never take us any further!
We were damn unlucky tonight, their winner comming from a scuffed shot and a deflection into the net. Let hou do what he needs to as i see only progressiveness tonight!
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Why the hell didn't he bring a striker on earlier.
We were quality against Arsenel second half playing 442, today we had one striker on the pitch all game.
It's no good passing it around if we can't score.
On chances blues were by far the better team.
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The question is how long can we keep playing some good football which getting better and better but not seeing the results? How the fuck did small heath win tonight - they were non-existent in the second-half. Have no idea what Collins was doing tonight - get Cuellar back in the team ASAP.
small heath are an incredibly lucky team - we'll be better in the long term - just needs time and more backbone in the team at certain moments.
I know this won't go down well but I would still rather this scenario in some ways than what O'Neill was serving up. Because I always knew we would get found out playing his brand of football and we did...every season. I can actually see far more of a way forward in the current circumstances which I realise sounds bizarre at this moment in time
No I totally agree. I can see the difference in the style already and it will take us further in the long run that MON's style would have. It's not by any means the finished article but he's been in the job what, 90 odd days? Had a shed load of injuries and has yet to bring in his own players....
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
Sorry ozzjim, that's not going to cut it tonight.
We've just gobbed it in spectacular style to our local rivals, making all their dreams come true.
If we were having an otherwise decent season it might be a bit easier to tolerate but the same failings as we've seen all year have cost us again. The LC probably represented our best chance of salvaging anything from this increasingly wretched season - had we lost to any other side in the last seven minutes tonight it would still have been hard to take.
To lose to the Rags is just the cow pat flavoured icing on the stale cake.
It feels like shit now because it is. But it's going to take a lot of work to get us to play the kind of football we ALL want to see. MON brought us consistency even if his home football was predictable and bland. What we are now seeing is the volatility brought about by uncertainty and change.
It will take different players that are better with the ball that will have to be developed or purchased. GH is making all of these changes mid season, with a brand new staff and with players that are either very young, or just coming off injuries. It has a massive bearing on what we are seeing.
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they have no fooking chance of winning it
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I would like to point out I still think Houllier will be the right man for the job. However the defence needs to be dealt with, because they are experienced and have no excuse.
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In the cold light of day I am really not sure.... Martin O'Neill purchased a group of players to play a particular brand of football. This was at times 'hoof' ball, playing the percentages and counter attacking. The defenders and midfielders did not need to be overly comfortable on the ball, we just needed to play the ball into the channels for Ashley or Gabby to chase and then we would try and create chances, teams came to Villa Park in recent years and because we lacked creativity they parked the bus, on the road this tactic worked excellent, we had some really long unbeaten runs away from home.
Houiller has come in and tried to install a passing game, the trouble with this is we have a wicked combination of injuries and players who do not have the technical ability to play this way. It is causing us to be all huff and puff and no end product.
Richard Dunne has come back from pre-season really out of shape and it is breeding low confidence in the heart of the team, our spine for the last few seasons has been relatively decent. Friedel, Dunne, Milner, Petrov, Gabby. Most of these were ever present for most games, this season we have chopped and changed the side, introducing a number of youngsters to varying degrees of success.
One thing Martin never had was an injury crisis of this magnitude. It is going to be very difficult next 6 weeks at least, I fear for us playing Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City in the next month. We could very realistically be languishing right in and around the relegation zone come the new year.
Do we have spirit and the ability to bounce back? I fear it is going to be a long hard season.
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All they had to do was put men behind the ball and bang it into our box, that was enough to win the game. We are fucked
Like we played last season.
We TRY to play football at the moment, but we just haven't got enough talent.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
Completely agree
Our most effective creator? who is that then? we just dominated 45 minutes could not score yet managed to concede great
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The question is how long can we keep playing some good football which getting better and better but not seeing the results? How the fuck did small heath win tonight - they were non-existent in the second-half. Have no idea what Collins was doing tonight - get Cuellar back in the team ASAP.
small heath are an incredibly lucky team - we'll be better in the long term - just needs time and more backbone in the team at certain moments.
I know this won't go down well but I would still rather this scenario in some ways than what O'Neill was serving up. Because I always knew we would get found out playing his brand of football and we did...every season. I can actually see far more of a way forward in the current circumstances which I realise sounds bizarre at this moment in time
You're not alone but I'll feel better when we get another win or two under our belts. We could do with a little of the O'Neill "hard to beat" mentality, and being able to win when playing shite especially away, but I don't really miss anything else about him. We are trying to play proper football now and it will come right eventually with injured players back and a few new signings. And once Gerard realise having a barely mobile lardarse at CB isn't the best idea.
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It's fair enough that we have to give a new manager time and can't expect him to equal the previous manager's league finish in his first season, but we've had 1 win in 10 games, we're 15th, and almost half way into the season, and O'Neill was only able to bring in 1 player in his first summer, and we finished tenth. I'm not saying I think we'll definitely go down, but I'm very worried, and think Houllier is out of touch.
On the other hand, O'neill didn't have to deal with such injuries, he was very fortunate in his time here in that we had a few players out here and there, mainly Heskey and Carew, but never had an injury crisis. Hopefully things will turn out well in a year or 2, but this season is going to be very uncomfortable.
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Houllier's post match interview did acknowledge that the defence keeps making mistakes: "We cannot score 3 in every game." He said again we did not deserve that result, but saying that after every game is not as crucial as swearword well winning.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Take the night off, Toronto, it's been a tough night for everyone.
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Steady Toronto. Just ignore if it bothers you.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Hey, TV mate, don't lose it, the last thing we need is for this thread to spiral into a massive argument. Hang on in there and let's all try and stick together!
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Sure, we were the better team but the quality when it really matters just isn't there. And as for the defending...it's a bleeding carcrash.
As an aside what is it with Ashley Young and corners? How many times did he hit the first defender at the near post? Compare his delivery with Larsson's, absolutely chalk and cheese. Yet, Young will no doubt be looking to leave because we can't meet his ambitions. Well, Ash could you meet my ambition of seeing you take one frigging decent corner before the end of the season, mate?
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Of course, nobody went on the pitch after the Villa vs Blackburn semi...
I was thinking the same.
Oh give it a rest. I don't remember us throwing flares into the Blackburn end.
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All they had to do was put men behind the ball and bang it into our box, that was enough to win the game. We are fucked
Like we played last season.
We TRY to play football at the moment, but we just haven't got enough talent.
True most of it is on the injury list or had you forgotten that.
Perhaps GH should adopt a rearguard action policy and do what O'Neill did when he'd lost a few games, played 10 men behind the ball at home and fought out boring draws.
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[/quo MON brought us consistency even if his home football was predictable and bland.te]
Think we are pretty consistent at the moment.
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Whilst I don't think there is any cause whatsoever to start panicking, and there were plenty of positives in the way we played, we've got two very significant problems.
We can't defend, and we're blunt up front.
We've needed an option up front for, what, three years now? That has got to be sorted.
I'm exceptionally concerned with Dunne, Collins and Warnock, though. Dunne seems to be undergoing the training regime of a top flight footballer but STILL putting weight on. How many calories does he consume a day to do that? About 40,000?
He's a fucking disgrace.
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gutted, but were completely in control of the game for most of it. much the better team.
when do they have their civic reception?
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do we need 2 new CB? cuellar and Clark would be ok .. I have no problem with GH, we will be playing good football and Im sure he will get the players in we are missing... Albrighton and Delph are to come back as well...
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I can only assume Dunne has BOGOF vouchers for Domino's pizza and uses them every night.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Oh Tonto so sorry that you feel the need to be so aggresive but it is difficult to let your so out of touch posts to go un noticed, you have not got a clue about anything have you, its such a shame
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Sure, we were the better team but the quality when it really matters just isn't there. And as for the defending...it's a bleeding carcrash.
As an aside what is it with Ashley Young and corners? How many times did he hit the first defender at the near post? Compare his delivery with Larsson's, absolutely chalk and cheese. Yet, Young will no doubt be looking to leave because we can't meet his ambitions. Well, Ash could you meet my ambition of seeing you take one frigging decent corner before the end of the season, mate?
Made me smile! He's a player who has forgotten how to do the basics well and is what we would have described at school as a poser...
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If anyone wants to pop round and beat me unconscious with a length of timber, go ahead.
On my way, only have a chair leg will that do?
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Didn't deserve to lose, They hardly got in our half 2nd half, Just pissed off to lose to a deflection again.
Dunne looks like a fat useless fucker
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least he wont be playing Liverpool , having a stormer and saying bye me ,bye me
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Oh Tonto so sorry that you feel the need to be so aggresive but it is difficult to let your so out of touch posts to go un noticed, you have not got a clue about anything have you, its such a shame
It has been a long, unpleasant evening, so can both of you just knock it on the head, please?
Nobody wants to be banning anyone, but its going to happen if we continue down this route.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Oh Tonto so sorry that you feel the need to be so aggresive but it is difficult to let your so out of touch posts to go un noticed, you have not got a clue about anything have you, its such a shame
I suspect we may not see you again until Friday guys! Let's not go off down the route of a big argument please. I guess we all feel upset and knackered, I know I do, but stiff upper lip and all that!!!
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Sometimes you need a lucky break to win a cup match. Blues had it tonight. Zigic is just about the worst player in the PL and some how some how he manged to guide the ball off Collins in to the net. That was pure luck nothing else. Yes we battered them in the second half but I can not remember, other than Ireland shot Foster parried that just didn't run right for Ash, us creating any good chances. We have beaten them with late goals about 4 times in the last few seasons. I guess it was their turn tonight.
Put away your cyanide tablets we will be OK when senior players return and join up with like's of Bannan and Albrighton.
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Suddenly we have loads of midfielders who can play but no one who can defend. Dunn needs to get fit so he can get to a ball and Collins needs to be stronger. I suspect Dunne's long standing injury is effecting his overall fitness and thats having an effect on Collins. Luke is getting on and Warnock just needs a kick up the arse.
Davies and Clarke will be our centre halves of the future, Luke will be on his way and with a new 200 goal a season striker we will be fine.
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Suddenly we have loads of midfielders who can play but no one who can defend. Dunn needs to get fit so he can get to a ball and Collins needs to be stronger. I suspect Dunne's long standing injury is effecting his overall fitness and thats having an effect on Collins. Luke is getting on and Warnock just needs a kick up the arse.
Davies and Clarke will be our centre halves of the future, Luke will be on his way and with a new 200 goal a season striker we will be fine.
Can play? What the fuck did they do precisely?
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I would love us to sign a 200 a season striker.
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Sometimes you need a lucky break to win a cup match. Blues had it tonight. Zigic is just about the worst player in the PL and some how some how he manged to guide the ball off Collins in to the net. That was pure luck nothing else. Yes we battered them in the second half but I can not remember, other than Ireland shot Foster parried that just didn't run right for Ash, us creating any good chances. We have beaten them with late goals about 4 times in the last few seasons. I guess it was their turn tonight.
Put away your cyanide tablets we will be OK when senior players return and join up with like's of Bannan and Albrighton.
Sense.
More of this sort of thing please.
Sometimes, even the spanner kids from across the road can kick you in the back when you're not ready.
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Gutted. Absolutely guuted.
We dominated the whole game....Gabby was ace. Dunne, not good enough
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To the people who have criticized Curtis Davies... can you honestly say he would be playing worse than Collins and Dunne at the moment? Dunne and Collins had very little to do tonight because they have such a piss poor attack - but even when they had to deal with basic things they made a mountain out of a molehill.
It's so fucking annoying. We're trying to progress playing a new brand of football, we're playing well in most games but things just aren't going away it's so fucking annoying!!!!! They were scared of us second-half, we camped in their half, we looked dangerous... losing to shitty teams who play shitty football is just really frustrating! Drawing to Fulham, drawing to United, losing to Blackburn, losing to pond scum?
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dunne and collins are out of form (and one out of shape) - we have cover with Cuellar / Clark - and the bloke playing at Leicester if anyone has his mobile number, so we can do something here - and all are capable first team players int he league. We do need to do something though - couldn't take SHA and then Red scouse beating us in a week - would be too much
Real thing that worries me though is that, sure we have injuries - but Bannan and Clark have come through and it could be argued could be first team regulars anyway (Hogg not yet for me ) - so in real terms, when the injured folk get back - are we really going to be that much better.
Sidwell is shit, Heskey is shit, Reo is not good enough, Delph is untried still - which leaves us with Petrov and Albrighton improving us. Honestly though they don't turn us from where we are now to top 4 contenders.
Bottom line our defence is lacking confidence and is like a swiss cheese at the mo - but this can be and will be fixed - hopefully sooner rather than later - but we lack goals and creativity - we had two shots on target tonight - and we had a ton of possession, every team we play seems to have a greater cutting edge than we do - Jerome for instance this evening, he's useless in terms of strikers in the PL - but he's better than anything we have in terms a strike man, to boot he worries defenders, makes space and makes goos runs through the middle (sure he couldn't finish a mars bar - but you get my point) - playing with no strike man especially when you consider we play wide blokes getting crosses into Gabby as our strike man makes for frustrating viewing - and unsuccessful results - Gabby's as good as we have got but he's not Peter Withe is he
Roll on Jan 1 - GH as a job to do then else we are knackered
My 2p's worth
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Sometimes you need a lucky break to win a cup match. Blues had it tonight. Zigic is just about the worst player in the PL and some how some how he manged to guide the ball off Collins in to the net. That was pure luck nothing else. Yes we battered them in the second half but I can not remember, other than Ireland shot Foster parried that just didn't run right for Ash, us creating any good chances. We have beaten them with late goals about 4 times in the last few seasons. I guess it was their turn tonight.
Put away your cyanide tablets we will be OK when senior players return and join up with like's of Bannan and Albrighton.
Quite right, too.
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Suddenly we have loads of midfielders who can play but no one who can defend. Dunn needs to get fit so he can get to a ball and Collins needs to be stronger. I suspect Dunne's long standing injury is effecting his overall fitness and thats having an effect on Collins. Luke is getting on and Warnock just needs a kick up the arse.
Davies and Clarke will be our centre halves of the future, Luke will be on his way and with a new 200 goal a season striker we will be fine.
Can play? What the fuck did they do precisely?
Try to find one unfit striker who did try his hardest but isn't match fit. Young is best out wide and so it all fell to Gabby.
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Time to sign off. Nice to see most people keeping a sense of perspective about what was a very unlucky defeat. It may get worse before it gets better but we just need to hang on in there until 1st January for all sorts of reasons - the games we have coming up, the players who will return from injury, the chance to buy a couple of new faces, and the opportunity to get rid of some of the baggage who are now hanging around the club and making no positive contribution at all!
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Five games running we've conceded atleast 2 goals.
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One word gutted.
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I would love us to sign a 200 a season striker.
We can trade him for our 10 a day defender.
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Oh, and I wouldn't be nearly as pissed off if we weren't in 15th position in the league. If (yes I said if lol) we had beaten Fulham and Man United I really wouldn't care that much because I know we could push on into a European Spot... no chance of that happening now. So depressing.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Oh Tonto so sorry that you feel the need to be so aggresive but it is difficult to let your so out of touch posts to go un noticed, you have not got a clue about anything have you, its such a shame
It has been a long, unpleasant evening, so can both of you just knock it on the head, please?
Nobody wants to be banning anyone, but its going to happen if we continue down this route.
check what he said, i need to fuck off then the threats and i get a ban threat?
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I would love us to sign a 200 a season striker.
The first time I've smiled all evening.
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Suddenly we have loads of midfielders who can play but no one who can defend. Dunn needs to get fit so he can get to a ball and Collins needs to be stronger. I suspect Dunne's long standing injury is effecting his overall fitness and thats having an effect on Collins. Luke is getting on and Warnock just needs a kick up the arse.
Davies and Clarke will be our centre halves of the future, Luke will be on his way and with a new 200 goal a season striker we will be fine.
Can play? What the fuck did they do precisely?
Try to find one unfit striker who did try his hardest but isn't match fit. Young is best out wide and so it all fell to Gabby.
They passed it around nicely when under no pressure. but provided little attacking support for most part.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Oh Tonto so sorry that you feel the need to be so aggresive but it is difficult to let your so out of touch posts to go un noticed, you have not got a clue about anything have you, its such a shame
I suspect we may not see you again until Friday guys! Let's not go off down the route of a big argument please. I guess we all feel upset and knackered, I know I do, but stiff upper lip and all that!!!
This is my last post of the evening. I can take us all debating and arguing. I have no problem ever with someone not seeing things the way I do. That's the way life is, and I fully accept that here as much as I do anywhere else. What I won't stand for is someone who doesn't show me basic respect. Like I try and show everyone else, and like he shows everyone else when quoting them. Nobody on here would find it funny if some loser on the other end kept changing your user name because he thought it was hilarious. On a night where all of our tempers are a little worn, I don't need that.
Anyway, have a good night everyone...as best as you can.
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I would love us to sign a 200 a season striker.
We can trade him for our 10 a day defender.
Pies!
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Whilst I don't think there is any cause whatsoever to start panicking, and there were plenty of positives in the way we played, we've got two very significant problems.
We can't defend, and we're blunt up front.
We've needed an option up front for, what, three years now? That has got to be sorted.
I'm exceptionally concerned with Dunne, Collins and Warnock, though. Dunne seems to be undergoing the training regime of a top flight footballer but STILL putting weight on. How many calories does he consume a day to do that? About 40,000?
He's a fucking disgrace.
I would agree with this 100% Top striker and at least half a new defence needed.
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In the league it is so tight a decent run will put you back in contention. There is still the FA Cup too. Defensively it is clear that changes HAVE to be made, but for me that stems from Brad and Dunne. Davies and Cuellar deserve a shot. So does Clark
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Last thing... why on earth wasn't Scott Dann the handy man not sent off - his nast foul on Hogg was a blatant booking, it's not even up for discussion. I really do hope one of their central-defenders get injured and be out for a while - that's esentially what keeps their team together - that's what they rely on.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Oh Tonto so sorry that you feel the need to be so aggresive but it is difficult to let your so out of touch posts to go un noticed, you have not got a clue about anything have you, its such a shame
It has been a long, unpleasant evening, so can both of you just knock it on the head, please?
Nobody wants to be banning anyone, but its going to happen if we continue down this route.
check what he said, i need to fuck off then the threats and i get a ban threat?
You're constantly winding him up.
Tonight is not the night to be doing it.
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We desperately need a striker. DESPERATELY.
i fully expect us not to and to carry on with the mess we have though
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I feel like doing a captain Oates and wandering out into the snow.
I would probably just slip over on the ice and hurt my leg and start sobbing
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Suddenly we have loads of midfielders who can play but no one who can defend. Dunn needs to get fit so he can get to a ball and Collins needs to be stronger. I suspect Dunne's long standing injury is effecting his overall fitness and thats having an effect on Collins. Luke is getting on and Warnock just needs a kick up the arse.
Davies and Clarke will be our centre halves of the future, Luke will be on his way and with a new 200 goal a season striker we will be fine.
Can play? What the fuck did they do precisely?
Try to find one unfit striker who did try his hardest but isn't match fit. Young is best out wide and so it all fell to Gabby.
They passed it around nicely when under no pressure. but provided little attacking support for most part.
Its what the Bloes have been doing all season. They sit and sit and score one goal. Difficult to break down, ask Man C and Chelsea. Its what I guess MON had us doing for the last 4 years.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Oh Tonto so sorry that you feel the need to be so aggresive but it is difficult to let your so out of touch posts to go un noticed, you have not got a clue about anything have you, its such a shame
I suspect we may not see you again until Friday guys! Let's not go off down the route of a big argument please. I guess we all feel upset and knackered, I know I do, but stiff upper lip and all that!!!
This is my last post of the evening. I can take us all debating and arguing. I have no problem ever with someone not seeing things the way I do. That's the way life is, and I fully accept that here as much as I do anywhere else. What I won't stand for is someone who doesn't show me basic respect. Like I try and show everyone else, and like he shows everyone else when quoting them. Nobody on here would find it funny if some loser on the other end kept changing your user name because he thought it was hilarious. On a night where all of our tempers are a little worn, I don't need that.
Anyway, have a good night everyone...as best as you can.
Some loser? Again another insult,
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I would love us to sign a 200 a season striker.
Well, we've got a 20-a-day* defender in Dunne.
*Snouts and hotdogs, by the look of it.
**Sorry, didn't see previous witty reposts!
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Eh??? Hawkeye is spot on, we dominated possession, had no bite upfront and could not defend. Yeah we really miss NRC but it's our defence consistant mistake's costing us.
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We will rue the day................
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How can anyone call for Houllier's head when he's had about half a fit squad to work with and hasn't even had a chance to sign anyone?
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I feel like doing a captain Oates and wandering out into the snow.
I would probably just slip over on the ice and hurt my leg and start sobbing
The second time I've smiled all evening.
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I feel like doing a captain Oates and wandering out into the snow.
I would probably just slip over on the ice and hurt my leg and start sobbing
The second time I've smiled all evening.
Stop it. You are turning into a Damon Green groupie!
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Did anyone honestly expect any different?
Dunne has not defended well for a long time, honestly the goal for Chamack on Saturday was beyond a joke and tonight's first was even worse.
I've seen more balls on a eunuch then our midfield. What's the point of them?
However, well done to Warnock for not being as shit as he usually is!
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I feel like doing a captain Oates and wandering out into the snow.
I would probably just slip over on the ice and hurt my leg and start sobbing
The second time I've smiled all evening.
Stop it. You are turning into a Damon Green groupie!
I think I love him.
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In the league it is so tight a decent run will put you back in contention. There is still the FA Cup too. Defensively it is clear that changes HAVE to be made, but for me that stems from Brad and Dunne. Davies and Cuellar deserve a shot. So does Clark
Davies and Beye are actually worse than Clogger Collins, Dumpy Dunne and Woeful Warnock, but I can't see much reason not to change to Lichaj / Cuellar / Clark / Young. Still not ideal though, and at the end of last season I never thought I'd be saying by December that we need a new left back and centre back to go straight in the team! We seem to have had awful luck buying defenders recently, or was it just bad luck?
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Some players have problems with gambling away their masive wages.
Dunnie is spending his 'hard earned' at Big Johns.
He must have shares in the fucking place.
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Fair enough well done and all that.
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Fair enough well done and all that.
well said chap....tip me hat and all that
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
It was your turn. Just enjoy it as you guys don't have many days like this!
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
you lot were the better team at villa park last season but we nicked it, it was your turn tonite, aaagh well
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
You Sir, are a credit to your team. I can't argue with you in your summary; I guess it is due that you beat us with a late goal.
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Quite, although Collins was possibly even slightly worse. WTF was he doing for your second? Blues were always going to win tonight. You're good at home, we're shit away, from our point of view it was pretty much a repeat of Blackburn a couple of weeks ago.
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
With you every word of the way. We just need to hold our nerve and hang on in there...
Agreed, we played them off the park we were the only team in the 2nd half... we need to get to January 1st and get some injured players back, Arsenal are desperate for a trophy and the rags won't get in their way. Let them kid themselves that they are a good team, so they have more games to play and forget about the league. UTV
Agreed...for some reason not that bothered about losing to them tonight. Better team by a mile tonight. Need Heskey, Albrighton, NRC and Petrov back, add a few others in January and we'll be fine. These games the kids are playing in are just what they need and none look out of depth. Just a shame the defence looks brittle now.
One thing I do like lately is the way they are keeping the ball, playing possession football from back to front and not just lumping it. It will come, it will take time but it'll be worth it.
It will come my friend, it will come.
Maybe that's why I'm not too bothered about losing to that scum tonight, we're heading in different directions. Once, hopefully, we get a settled side, we'll be on the right road. There was a great deal of positives to take out of tonight. We just need to sort out our central defence and get a few players back. I've always said the second half of the season will be when we really click.
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Good for you Sheldon and hats off to you. We've won plenty of games where we were played off the park and any real football fan knows to take that on the chin just as you do with things like penalty decisions. You might get past West Ham but I would truly fear for you in the wide open spaces of Wembley if you come up against Arsenal in one of their moods. But you never know!
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Good for you Sheldon and hats off to you. We've won plenty of games where we were played off the park and any real football fan knows to take that on the chin just as you do with things like penalty decisions. You might get past West Ham but I would truly fear for you in the wide open spaces of Wembley if you come up against Arsenal in one of their moods. But you never know!
erm we can forget about winning it if we beat west ham...arsenal will destroy us full stop.....
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Good for you Sheldon and hats off to you. We've won plenty of games where we were played off the park and any real football fan knows to take that on the chin just as you do with things like penalty decisions. You might get past West Ham but I would truly fear for you in the wide open spaces of Wembley if you come up against Arsenal in one of their moods. But you never know!
erm we can forget about winning it if we beat west ham...arsenal will destroy us full stop.....
You'll have a good day out at Wembley, though.
Being totally honest, I wasn't too upset about getting beat by Man U in the final last year, it was a great day out. Losing in the FAC semi final there was 100 times worse for me.
You've got a lucky draw (again ;-) ) so it's pretty much on a plate for you
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Dunne and Collins getting a slagging on sky sports...
but saying the future is good for Villa
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Yes congrats SN you were due one against us, but that'll do now for a few years thanks. Really don't understand the violence and bluntly I don't want my kids ever to go to a derby game.
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Can't believe we lost that.
About 60 seconds before the goal, my mate commented how Zigic is the worst player he has ever seen.
When are we going to win one of these games that we actually play well in? Under MON, we played poor in many games that we ended up winning, now it seems the payback is coming.
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Dunne and Collins getting a slagging on sky sports...
but saying the future is good for Villa
Not seen it but sounds absolutely spot on. After the Arsenal game, it was great to see that the Man Utd game wasn't a one-off. We'll get there.
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Very disappointed with the team.
GH need to address this
1. Central Defenders and Goalkeeper keep letting in soft goals and not as commanding as last season.
2. Midfield - too much passing the ball round, high balls in the box and not enough killer pass to set up goal scoring opportunities or shooting.
3. Ashley Young - Stop this moaning and moaning and moaning, sort out your set pieces especially corners. Why is Bannan not taking them instead.
I have been disappointed with all the experienced players and only impressed with home grown players. Hogg, Clark, Bannan and Agbonlahor.
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With only 15 minutes left there was only 1 team that looked like winning it - we were in their half the whole time pressuring them making attacks etc... It's so annoying to be hit on the break like that.
Well done sheldon, you won and yeah those morons on the pitch should be banned for life only looking for trouble. will be a close semi-final with west ham, not too close if they play like they did last night lol... but we're still the top dog in Brum ;)
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With only 15 minutes left there was only 1 team that looked like winning it - we were in their half the whole time pressuring them making attacks etc... It's so annoying to be hit on the break like that.
Well done sheldon, you won and yeah those morons on the pitch should be banned for life only looking for trouble. will be a close semi-final with west ham, not too close if they play like they did last night lol... but we're still the top dog in Brum ;)
fair play to you situation you have took it on the chin mate...sometimes you just got to.....
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Has anybody on here questioned the merits of bringing Delfonueso on, then throwing a defender (Collins) upfront to launch the ball to? Why Didn't he just bring on Carew and leave the team with a bit of shape? Perhaps we would have been able to get the ball down and create a chance or two at the end.
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I feel like doing a captain Oates and wandering out into the snow.
I just tried that took the dog out to get some air only to hear some people in the distance singing keep right on outside the local :(
Its disappointing because I thought we bossed it, a lot of players can hold their heads up and our football on the whole was decent if we can sort the defence out we'll be ok and lets face it they were due one just a shame it wasn't league.
Off the pitch I can't believe people would throw fireworks in a packed stand, they can't even win with grace hopefully no one got hurt. Bet they'll be posting endless footage of how they 'took the Villa end' on youtube tomorrow. To think you can't even get a bottle of pop into Villa Park with a lid on!
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Good for you Sheldon and hats off to you. We've won plenty of games where we were played off the park and any real football fan knows to take that on the chin just as you do with things like penalty decisions. You might get past West Ham but I would truly fear for you in the wide open spaces of Wembley if you come up against Arsenal in one of their moods. But you never know!
erm we can forget about winning it if we beat west ham...arsenal will destroy us full stop.....
Honestly, that's why I'm not too bothered about tonight. I know there are some on herethat think it's an achievement to get to a final but finals are a shit unless you win them. Wenger has been on record as saying he really wants to win the League Cup and I don't see any team that's going to stop him.
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Ireland for Bannan. What the fucks all that about Houllier you twat?
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Well done mate....You were due one!! The longer it went on without us turning possession into scoring I feared the worst, and so it proved. Would have fancied us in extra time with pace and possession but hey ho..
Same about the idiots...I was meant to be going tonight but turned down a 300 mile round trip as I feared what happened would happen.
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Don't understand people questioning too much passing - that just seems bizarre - we looked a very good team a times during that match and our passing was very good.
Also don't understand the criticism of Houllier. He's got the best team out on the pitch (more or less anyway) that he can pick from, and we played well and should've won, as we should've done in many of his other matches he's been in charge of us.
I think it looks good when everybody is back fit and, potentially, a couple of signings. It's just a bit of a waste of a season because of the injuries, which is not GH's fault.
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Also why didn't The Fonz come on earlier?
He looked really bright when he came on.
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Don't understand people questioning too much passing - that just seems bizarre - we looked a very good team a times during that match and our passing was very good.
Also don't understand the criticism of Houllier. He's got the best team out on the pitch (more or less anyway) that he can pick from, and we played well and should've won, as we should've done in many of his other matches he's been in charge of us.
I think it looks good when everybody is back fit and, potentially, a couple of signings. It's just a bit of a waste of a season because of the injuries, which is not GH's fault.
Not blaming GH here but who out of the injured players woulds of made a difference? Most of which are players the supporters have spent the last year or 2 calling them shit.
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Don't understand people questioning too much passing - that just seems bizarre - we looked a very good team a times during that match and our passing was very good.
Also don't understand the criticism of Houllier. He's got the best team out on the pitch (more or less anyway) that he can pick from, and we played well and should've won, as we should've done in many of his other matches he's been in charge of us.
I think it looks good when everybody is back fit and, potentially, a couple of signings. It's just a bit of a waste of a season because of the injuries, which is not GH's fault.
'Too much passing' is pointless if you don't do anything with the ball............
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Dunne needs to be dropped, Collins I would keep alongside Cuellar - those two shut out Wolves a few weeks ago. In fact, ever since Cuellar was dropped for Dunne against Spurs we've been really poor at the back. Last season we were so mean at the back although losing Petrov and NRC hasn't helped. Still annoys me about Gary Cahill - what a clanger by MON! Simply have to buy in January.
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It should of been Hogg off Ireland on, Dunne off Delfouneso on.
We're a pretty good team at keeping possesion now, we just got to be more effective with it at times but we still played pretty good tonight - much better than people would thought we'd play before the match? I was litterally jumping out of my seat when Ash had his chance very late on, from the camera angle it looked like a goal.
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Don't understand people questioning too much passing - that just seems bizarre - we looked a very good team a times during that match and our passing was very good.
Also don't understand the criticism of Houllier. He's got the best team out on the pitch (more or less anyway) that he can pick from, and we played well and should've won, as we should've done in many of his other matches he's been in charge of us.
I think it looks good when everybody is back fit and, potentially, a couple of signings. It's just a bit of a waste of a season because of the injuries, which is not GH's fault.
'Too much passing' is pointless if you don't do anything with the ball............
So how would passing less and going more direct help our toothless attack of strikers who can't score and (without Albrighton) wingers who can't cross well enough to get the ball to our strikers who can't score?
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Well done mate....You were due one!! The longer it went on without us turning possession into scoring I feared the worst, and so it proved. Would have fancied us in extra time with pace and possession but hey ho..
Same about the idiots...I was meant to be going tonight but turned down a 300 mile round trip as I feared what happened would happen.
To be honest mate im in shock,i know its horrible atmosphere between us but i wasnt thinking that was going to happen i really didnt....great win for us then they go and spoil it... sometimes i think what goes on in peoples heads......
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I was litterally jumping out of my seat when Ash had his chance very late on, from the camera angle it looked like a goal.
Same here. Plenty of positives to take from tonight. It will be very interesting once we have a settled side.
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Too much tippy tappy crap round the box. We totally outplayed them 2nd half. Oh well. Fair play sheldon enjoy it.
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Sure we are all disappointed, I would love us to buy Keane in January, we need a proven goalscorer. I think we would have strolled it tonight had we got one. The kids are looking great, Bannon, Clark, Albrighton all excellent prospects.
A lot on here have also noticed that thankfully the hoof it up to the big man mentality has been replaced by a more inventive fluid style thats certainly a lot easier to watch. End of the season is when we can truly assess the direction we are going in, I for one feel optimistc. Two or Three quality signings and we will be a real force again.
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Sure we are all disappointed, I would love us to buy Keane in January, we need a proven goalscorer.
Whilst I agree with the rest of your post, Keane these days is well past being a proven goalscorer.
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I think Friedel needs to be replaced. He doesn't have the 'spring' of say Foster who I think would've saved the deflected shot - Friedel flapped at it badly - I just think a younger keeper has that greater agility in that sort of situation.
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Two or Three quality signings and we will be a real force again.
Will they want to join a team languishing in the bottom half of the table though? The signs look good even if the results are not coming but footballers may not be prepared to wait.
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Thought Hogg had a great game, although how he didn't get booked for that tackle on Bowyer is anyone's guess.
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Said it before we even got a new manager in, but this season is going to be a fustrating one. Some of the over-reactions are pathetic, yes it's a shitter to lose to a flukey goal to your rivals in the cup, but the way some of fans are going on are as if I've gone in a time machine and its 03-03-03 again.
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Said it before we even got a new manager in, but this season is going to be a fustrating one. Some of the over-reactions are pathetic, yes it's a shitter to lose to a flukey goal to your rivals in the cup, but the way some of fans are going on are as if I've gone in a time machine and its 03-03-03 again.
Whilst I agree with you on your first line, i actually think the reaction tonight has been, on the whole, pretty restrained and thoughtful.
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Said it before we even got a new manager in, but this season is going to be a fustrating one. Some of the over-reactions are pathetic, yes it's a shitter to lose to a flukey goal to your rivals in the cup, but the way some of fans are going on are as if I've gone in a time machine and its 03-03-03 again.
Whilst I agree with you on your first line, i actually think the reaction tonight has been, on the whole, pretty restrained and thoughtful.
We are a couple of signings away from a very good side.
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Not as pisssed off as I thought I'd be, I thought we played well especially Hogg.
The penalty was a shocking goal to give away, Carlos will be knocking on Gerard's door tomorrow.
We are a different side with Gabby in it, just hope he stays fit.
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Gutted to have lost in that manner but they were due one sooner or later.
Negatives - we looked shakey/panic stricken in defence on the rare occasion that blose had an attack.
We lacked penetration up front yet continued to pump high balls in that just came straight out again. They parked the bus as expected but we seemed to have forgotten how to shoot from outside the box.
Positives - We seemed more comfortable in possession and passed the ball well. The youngsters are developing well and GH appears to be changing things for the better, this won't happen overnight. We are showing some very good potential and a top striker, midfielder and the return of Cueller in place of Dunne should be enough to push up the table.
We are a work in progress and have a horrendous injury list (not an excuse). We will head in the right direction.
The result is their cup final and means far more to them than us which shows in their reaction. They will be back to attendances of 15-20,000 at the weekend. The balance will be restored soon.
SN - you seem a reasonable chap so enjoy your moment (they don't come very often) but your lot do have some complete morons as witnessed in the aftermath. None of us are suprised at what happened at the end of the game.
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There will be a lot of doom and gloom on here tonight, and I am gutted to lose to them, but lets put some persepctive on it. We have had to play the same back 4 for the last 6 weeks due to injuries, maybe it might get changed when Cuellar is fully fit. Hogg is growing as a player, Clark is playing out of position in midfield, Gabby has been fit for about 3 games this season, we are missing all of our centre mids and arguably our most effective creator this season, and we have gone there, been the better team by a distance and been undone by our most experienced men. We need 2 centre backs and a keeper of quality, and a top centre mid. I think Houllier likes the 4-5-1 and Gabby does it well. Give it time, I think we are on a better path than the boring motorway we were on, and the end will be much more rewarding. Time now. Just time.
Well said.
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Just got back.Thought we were well on top second half,really thought Gabby and Ashley caused them problems they were just about getting away with right until my mate made his comment that he couldn't see them scoring.One thing,once they had scored it seemed ages for us to make our tactical change as our players didn't appear to be suited and booted to come on.Poor.
Had a lovely chair land on my forehead,to match the endless coins that kept arriving.Right by the noses in block 1,straight out for a walk to Aston train station(i know),avoided the lock in that the majority of villa fans endured and march back to Garrison Lane.
Like a rapid dog,they've had their day,used their AV luck up,and the karma will soon be kicking them hard.
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The loss of NRC cannot be understated, shocking as that might be to say. His bite and endless energy in the midfield would have given the our other midfielders a bit more room and licence to be creative. He was playing very well indeed when he got injured and it's really hurt us.
FFS Tonto we had about 80% posession in the second half, we got done because we cant defend and have no cutting edge up front
Hawkeye - you need to fuck off. I've got nothing to fucking say to you ever. Don't fucking comment on anything I post because you are a fucking waste of space. If you can't state my username correctly like you do with everyone else, then don't fucking bother. Your act is fucking broken record. Do you understand??? Or are you completely retarded?
Let's put this one down to post-match annoyance. And let's also apologise for it.
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Not as pisssed off as I thought I'd be, I thought we played well especially Hogg.
The penalty was a shocking goal to give away, Carlos will be knocking on Gerard's door tomorrow.
We are a different side with Gabby in it, just hope he stays fit.
fully agree ---have to say i was very impressed with Hogg, thoght he had a good game,good to see Bowyers reputation meant nothing to him,------Carlos and Clark or Davies must be restored to the defence,
Gabby makes a hell of a difference---
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We had a lack of cutting edge but we were well on top and I cant beleive we lost. Hogg was excellent.
I dont think we played the ball behind them enough but silly mistakes from experienced defenders has cost us dear again, the biggest pisstake is Zigic getting the winner, he was fucking useless.
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Gabby is developing into a really decent footballer. Not just the quick but thick label anymore.
We were the better side. They got lucky but we can blame ourselves for not scoring while on top, more on this later...
Clark and Bannan have a good chance of making it. Sorry, but Hogg is way, way off. Lowry impresses me more.
There were times I tore my hair out with Martin O Neill, but it took 12 months to see his shortcomings. I see GH' s already. Its pretty but unproductive.
In his defence he needs a full squad and a few transfer windows before amyone can judge him fairly.
But at the the risk of upsetting a few - IMO and within our spending budget, Martin O Neill was (is) a better manager than Gerard Houllier,
Sorry.
p.s. Brad 'Hellboy' Friedal is past it. No one on this board who is over 40 will convince me they can still jump/spring /dive/react in the same way they could when they were 30. And I think the way BF 'leapt' 2 fucking inches off the ground for their winner proves it.
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Gabby is developing into a really decent footballer. Not just the quick but thick label anymore.
We were the better side. They got lucky but we can blame ourselves for not scoring while on top, more on this later...
Clark and Bannan have a good chance of making it. Sorry, but Hogg is way, way off. Lowry impresses me more.
There were times I tore my hair out with Martin O Neill, but it took 12 months to see his shortcomings. I see GH' s already. Its pretty but unproductive.
In his defence he needs a full squad and a few transfer windows before amyone can judge him fairly.
But at the the risk of upsetting a few - IMO and within our spending budget, Martin O Neill was (is) a better manager than Gerard Houllier,
Sorry.
I bet GH could spend Ł120 odd Million on better players than MON
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Proud but disappointed. Not with the team but with the result. Well done boys. Onwards and upwards.
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Enjoyed the night apart from the result, but in the end the better defence won the game.
Our young lads stood up to the test well though I thought and will have gained valuable experience from it. A defeat like that can be something they can draw on in future to drive them on, it's not something they can ever be taught or coached.
The crowd trouble is being overhyped in my opinion - just morons from both sides throwing things and gesturing - and after the match outside is was all pretty tame along my walk to the car, but no doubt some will have had worse experiences!
It's unfortunate that it will all be blown up in the media as some fullscale pitch riot - to me the fact that only a few hundred moron noses were on their taunting Villa fans should be taken as a positive point, after all the vast majority of their lot stayed in the stands celebrating. Years ago they'd have all been on there... and our idiots would have joined them!
We lost, I feel shit about it, it'll be our turn to be on the receiving end of all the stick - but I'm man enough to accept defeat and take my medicine. This time tomorrow night it'll all be history and The Ashes will be on tele.
Villa 'til I die.
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I come in peace,dont know what to make of it really im chuffed to bits but pissed of with the fans...but what can i do about it as they dont speak for me one bit.....as for the match,thought you was the better side over all,battered us really in the second half if im honest but thats football chaps...its our day.....as for dunne what a fat bastard he is......the titanic turns quicker than him....
Same about the idiots...I was meant to be going tonight but turned down a 300 mile round trip as I feared what happened would happen.
To be honest mate im in shock,i know its horrible atmosphere between us but i wasnt thinking that was going to happen i really didnt....
Really? You were surprised by this?
I had a few things down as nailed on:
1) Ashley Young's inability to take a decent corner
2) Ashley Young's whingning and whining
3) Dunne making several epic fat-fingered fuck-ups
4) Gabby scoring
5) Blue-noses flooding onto the pitch and acting the ******
Did anyone esle see the snow-ball hit Young whilst he was celebrating the goal with Gabby? ;D
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I thought the Ireland substitution changed the game.
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Sadly, the muted, restrained reaction is because we all guessed we'd lose. I am a bit fed up of expecting to lose. Too retro
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tomorrow night it'll all be history and The Ashes will be on telly.
Will she be getting her baps out?
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I think the best way to describe our play at the moment is this -
ALL FART AND NO SHIT.
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Ouch :'(
I can't start to imagine how you all feel over in Birmingham. I may be pissed off but at least I can take the consolation in the fact that no-one over here gives a s&*t about it, so I can sulk in peace.
The transfer window can't come quick enough, I just hope Houllier has already got players lined up that will give the club a boost.
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We've turned in to a side than can defend but struggled with creativity under MON, to one that can't defend at all but does create chances, but doesn't take them. Recipie for disaster. We look so lightweight, anyone with a couple of experienced battlers in midfield will get the better of us.
The senior players are the ones that needed to stand up and be counted last night, but none of them delivered, apart from Gabby, who I thoguht was excellent, considering he'd just came back from another lay off. Luke Young looks nowhere the player he was before MON bombed him out the side, and before his Brothers death. Warnock looks lost. He was a good left back when he joined us, but now he seems to always be struggling with positioning & that means he's constantly playing catch up and diving in to tackles because of this. As for Collins & Dunne, Jesus Christ, where has their commanding play gone? Dunne seems to have lost all sense of positioning. Time to a change at the back, get Clark & Cueller in there, let's shake it up a bit.
Getting a bit fed up of Ashley Young, too. We all know he has the talent, he could really push on now and get himself in the top bracket of players in the Premier League, however, he seems a little too intent on concerntrating his efforts on diving around, whinging & piss poor attitude. Maybe he wants out? if so, get rid, get the cash in and get some players here that will put a bit more fight in for the cause. Same for Ireland really.
Maybe it's all not as bad as this, maybe I'm just really fucked of with losing and the fact that we know we've got to score at least 2 goals to get at least a point out of a game? Or that the defence has totally gone to plot?
Think i'll just go back to bed and sleep the rest of the day and it'll all be perfectly alright once I wake up.
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Don't understand people questioning too much passing - that just seems bizarre - we looked a very good team a times during that match and our passing was very good.
Also don't understand the criticism of Houllier. He's got the best team out on the pitch (more or less anyway) that he can pick from, and we played well and should've won, as we should've done in many of his other matches he's been in charge of us.
I think it looks good when everybody is back fit and, potentially, a couple of signings. It's just a bit of a waste of a season because of the injuries, which is not GH's fault.
Not blaming GH here but who out of the injured players woulds of made a difference? Most of which are players the supporters have spent the last year or 2 calling them shit.
Good point
Wh have we got to come back in??
Albrighton
petrov
NRC
people seem to think that when these come back all will be well
yeah just like it was at newcastle
our last 11 games have been:
won 2 - Burnley and Blackpool reserves
drawn 4
lost 5
But that's no cause for concern is it everything will be fine
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Cuellar, Reo-Coker, Petrov & Albrighton would certainly make a difference. Maybe even Heskey.
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I thought the Ireland substitution changed the game.
He makes a difference every time he plays...and it's not for the better.
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I thought the Ireland substitution changed the game.
He makes a difference every time he plays...and it's not for the better.
Based on last night, that's harsh. We battered them second half, both before and after Ireland came on. It was just another shit bit of defending from that fat clown Dunne and his rubbish ginger partner in crime that cost us.
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considering the side we had out, we outplayed them but again didn't score from the chances we created and then gave away two awful goals
That said the facts show since Mon left the results are poor, very poor and even allowing for the injuries, and players playing while injured, aren't what Villa need to survive let alone progress.
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Don't understand people questioning too much passing - that just seems bizarre - we looked a very good team a times during that match and our passing was very good.
Also don't understand the criticism of Houllier. He's got the best team out on the pitch (more or less anyway) that he can pick from, and we played well and should've won, as we should've done in many of his other matches he's been in charge of us.
I think it looks good when everybody is back fit and, potentially, a couple of signings. It's just a bit of a waste of a season because of the injuries, which is not GH's fault.
Not blaming GH here but who out of the injured players woulds of made a difference? Most of which are players the supporters have spent the last year or 2 calling them shit.
Good point
Wh have we got to come back in??
Albrighton
petrov
NRC
people seem to think that when these come back all will be well
yeah just like it was at newcastle
our last 11 games have been:
won 2 - Burnley and Blackpool reserves
drawn 4
lost 5
But that's no cause for concern is it everything will be fine
Tell me we haven't played very well at times throughout the season. Having Cuellar, Carew, Heskey, NRC, Petrov and especially Albrighton back AND fit will make a huge difference.
It means A.Young can go back to playing out wide, two strikers up front, and being able to drop Downing. It changes the shape of the team. Albrighton and A.Young on the wings can rip most full-backs to shreads. Having two up-front, be it Gabby with Heskey or a new signing gives us a different dimension.
It also should allow Clark to be played in his preferred position and Cuellar can be played alongside him.
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I was impressed with our 2nd half performance and felt we were in control, but our football declined once Bannan (who I thought was excellent) was replaced by Ireland.
I could see no reason for that substitution unless Bannan was injured. Was he?
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Losing to that lot is never pleasant but if you put aside the result (I know) there is a lot to be optimistic about. We outplayed them for long periods of the game with 3 kids in midfield one of who is a centre half. We're getting there; we play clever, inventive football but aren't quite making the most of it although I think that will come when Heskey and Albrighton are available again to give us more options. Reo Coker, Petrov and Delph will also all offer something additional in the middle. Also, whisper it quitely but Ireland is starting to show signs of what he can do.
It's defensively that we're struggling but then again we have Cuellar coming back now and Davies to return from loan. I'm not sure than itself will be enough but with a bit more experience in front of them it might tighten things up a little. It's definitely the area that needs most attention.
On top of that we have the chance to add to the squad in January.
Comapre that to the Noses where that is the best they can play; I wouldn't swap places for anything.
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I was impressed with our 2nd half performance and felt we were in control, but our football declined once Bannan (who I thought was excellent) was replaced by Ireland.
I could see no reason for that substitution unless Bannan was injured. Was he?
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fair play to small heath, they took their chances (and one that was incorrectly chalked off), and thats how you win football games...
we were the better side comfortably, however, when you defend like we did, and dont take the chances you create, you cant expect to take anything from a game...
all four of the back four, along with friedel, and remember, this is our alleged first choice, have been rubbish all season.... dont know what has happened to them, but they all need replacing...
cant blame the midfield in front of them not offering protection, as these are basic errors they keep making, and they are costing us goals, especially late in each half...
warnock is the worst of the lot though... he is an absolute disgrace and how he cost 7 million or whatever it was he cost us, i will never know... 3 months of looking decent, and the rest of the time, looks worse than a one legged homeless pissed up tramp... dunne isnt far behind.. looks like he at all the pies in the summer and his 'one error every so often' has become one error every 20 minutes... collins thinks he has turned into franz beckenbauer, and has lost the ability to win headers, and friedel looks like the 357 years on the earth have really caught up with him...
how curtis davies has been sent out on loan when we have this garbage at the back is beyond me...
as for the positives, bannon looked lively again, shame he went off with an injury, as although being well out of position (right wing? really?), he looked most likely to open things up... clark did reasonably well in that unfamiliar holding midfield role that he has had to play lately with our injuries... hogg looked ok.. did the simple things, but his touch looked poor at times...
ashley young and downing caused problems right up until they had to put the ball in the box and then their final ball was awful... ireland looked disinterested again when he came on... i would sell that bald wnaker...
gabby did ok with the crap service he got... decent finish, but looked offside marginally... although the ball was passed sideways and it took a deflection off a small heath player to go forward, so not sure if that was taken into account...
overall, we were the much better footballing side, this despite missing several key players, but as i said, we didnt take our chances, and gifted them theirs, so no complaints from me about the result, other than about my own team...
as for the idiots after the match, they should all be ashamed of themselves... morons...
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Comapre that to the Noses where that is the best they can play; I wouldn't swap places for anything.
I don't think any of us would, Chris but it's well worth spelling it out again!
As for the Bannan sub, it was probably because wee Barry had run his legs off, and Ireland is a player who can win a game. And he almost did, to be fair.
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I'm getting bored very quickly of our "Stylish Soft Touch" routine.
And I'm equally bored of our experienced players being the culprits.
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From football365.
How would you celebrate beating your local rivals to reach the semi-finals of the Carling Cup? Laughing? A few drinks? How about chucking flares at your rival fans? Alas, that's what some Birmingham fans did after the 2-1 win over Aston Villa, gained by a flukey strike by the otherwise terrible Nikola Zigic.
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all four of the back four, along with friedel, and remember, this is our alleged first choice, have been rubbish all season.... dont know what has happened to them, but they all need replacing...
cant blame the midfield in front of them not offering protection, as these are basic errors they keep making, and they are costing us goals, especially late in each half...
They are basic errors, but could these errors come from a lack of confidence in the defensive midfield cover in front?
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i dont think so...
they are the simple food and drink for even the most basic defender, that they cant manage to deal with recently...
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I am seriously pissed off with the result. But proud of the performance of the majority of the team. Bannan, Hogg, Clarke and Gabby were excellent and with 2 or 3 signings along with Albrighton think we really have a bright future. I would seriously love them scummy bastards to get thrown out the competition ....................
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Losing to that lot is never pleasant but if you put aside the result (I know) there is a lot to be optimistic about. We outplayed them for long periods of the game with 3 kids in midfield one of who is a centre half. We're getting there; we play clever, inventive football but aren't quite making the most of it although I think that will come when Heskey and Albrighton are available again to give us more options. Reo Coker, Petrov and Delph will also all offer something additional in the middle. Also, whisper it quitely but Ireland is starting to show signs of what he can do.
It's defensively that we're struggling but then again we have Cuellar coming back now and Davies to return from loan. I'm not sure than itself will be enough but with a bit more experience in front of them it might tighten things up a little. It's definitely the area that needs most attention.
On top of that we have the chance to add to the squad in January.
Comapre that to the Noses where that is the best they can play; I wouldn't swap places for anything.
Read and digest.
This is spot on.
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Losing to that lot is never pleasant but if you put aside the result (I know) there is a lot to be optimistic about. We outplayed them for long periods of the game with 3 kids in midfield one of who is a centre half. We're getting there; we play clever, inventive football but aren't quite making the most of it although I think that will come when Heskey and Albrighton are available again to give us more options. Reo Coker, Petrov and Delph will also all offer something additional in the middle. Also, whisper it quitely but Ireland is starting to show signs of what he can do.
It's defensively that we're struggling but then again we have Cuellar coming back now and Davies to return from loan. I'm not sure than itself will be enough but with a bit more experience in front of them it might tighten things up a little. It's definitely the area that needs most attention.
On top of that we have the chance to add to the squad in January.
Comapre that to the Noses where that is the best they can play; I wouldn't swap places for anything.
Read and digest.
This is spot on.
Agreed. It's probably Chris's best ever post!
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Roll on January. We'll win that one.
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Yes Richard and a lot of it is your fault with your new defensive tactic of just running into people.
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its all very very playing well with no end product/not getting results
Our experienced players are letting us down
Our manager is letting us down tactically
This is a results business the history books for last night will read:
Blues 2
Villa 1
Not
Blues 2
Villa 1 - but villa played really well with a lot of players out and would have got a result if they could have created chances
If the Queen had balls she would be king
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Blues only play one way: rely on their admittedly good defence, and hope the opposition make errors or they get a set-piece. We made errors yesterday defensively and gave them two goals. The penalty was a penalty, no doubt, but why on earth Collins is letting that ball bounce in the penalty area is just beyond me. For the second goal, I'm sorry, Dunne is unforgiveably slow in closing down Jerome before he crosses, just jogging casually as if nothing can go wrong, giving Jerome all the time in the world to play the ball across (through, I might add, Dunne's legs). It wasn't good.
Going forward, I don't think playing Ash in the middle and moving Bannan wide was a good thing to do. Ash goes way too far forward to much of the time, ends up with his back to goal and isn't as effective. Another problem is that Ash is very much a 'final phase' sort of player - when he gets the ball, he expects it to be the last stagee of the attack, so it's up to him to deliver the final ball or shot - which means that, in the centre, he gets overexcited too quickly and is constantly looking for the highlights reel ball. When Bannan plays centrally, he uses his superior patience and reading of the game to control our attacks and shape our possession. Young, too excited and too far forward anyway, doesn't do this, and yesterday I thought we really lacked creativity and imagination in the middle third of the pitch. It was also noticeable that the few minutes in the second half where wee Barry started to get involved in the centre were our best of the match. Move him central, put Young back on the wing where he can face the full back in the final phase and be good at it.
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We lost - and i hate losing to these - but rather it be a cup game and at theirs than seeing their idiots strol out of Villa Park with all three points. We did better than i thought we did but it still a pisser to lose. But the behaviour of their fans - and this after their team had actually won the game - says a lot about their club. Had we won it would have been a bit of bragging and then focus on the next game. No doubt they will make 1st Dec a key day in their history and have the game out on dvd by the end of the week.
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Yes Richard and a lot of it is your fault with your new defensive tactic of just running into people.
Spot on, statements like that really piss me off.
“We’re just not getting the rub of the green at the moment. We’re playing quite well but not getting the result.”
Like it's all bad luck and not the blunders he makes match after match. You make your own luck, and ours would improve by giving fatso a few games off, and ordering him to undertake a strict fitness regime to get himself back in shape.
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Losing to that lot is never pleasant but if you put aside the result (I know) there is a lot to be optimistic about. We outplayed them for long periods of the game with 3 kids in midfield one of who is a centre half. We're getting there; we play clever, inventive football but aren't quite making the most of it although I think that will come when Heskey and Albrighton are available again to give us more options. Reo Coker, Petrov and Delph will also all offer something additional in the middle. Also, whisper it quitely but Ireland is starting to show signs of what he can do.
It's defensively that we're struggling but then again we have Cuellar coming back now and Davies to return from loan. I'm not sure than itself will be enough but with a bit more experience in front of them it might tighten things up a little. It's definitely the area that needs most attention.
On top of that we have the chance to add to the squad in January.
Comapre that to the Noses where that is the best they can play; I wouldn't swap places for anything.
Read and digest.
This is spot on.
Agreed. It's probably Chris's best ever post!
Absolutely agreed.
Well said, Chris.
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Good post Chris.
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I feel surprisingly less bothered about it this morning than I thought I would.
We battered them throughout the second half, we played all the football. They were really all about keeping it level and trying to hit us on the break.
Zigic is one of the worst strikers I've ever seen play in the PL, and last night he was absolutely piss poor by even his own, shockingly low standards.
The fact they got a lucky break with it cannoning off him and one of our defenders and past Friedel is probably a price worth paying, given all the fortunate, last few minutes of game situations we've had. What goes around comes around.
As Chris said, for us, there were plenty of positives to take from the game, and we can see what we're moving towards.
For them, it really doesn't get much better than that - in football entertainment terms, they're the equivalent of a night out in 1970s East Germany, and that's all they're likely to be.
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We lost - and i hate losing to these - but rather it be a cup game and at theirs than seeing their idiots strol out of Villa Park with all three points. We did better than i thought we did but it still a pisser to lose. But the behaviour of their fans - and this after their team had actually won the game - says a lot about their club. Had we won it would have been a bit of bragging and then focus on the next game. No doubt they will make 1st Dec a key day in their history and have the game out on dvd by the end of the week.
My thoughts roughly five minutes after the final whistle, when it was all kicking off as their fans stormed the pitch, were that the phrase 'class is permanent, form is temporary' has never been more applicable.
Blues: they'll just never have it. And they don't realise why.
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Agree with everything Chris said, this latest crop of kids can really play. It's probably some of the best possession football I've seen from a Villa side. I love the way they always look for a pass now as well and only give it the big hoof when absolutely nothing else is on. I'm very optimistic regarding the future and at least we'll see some entertaining football if nothing else.
Does anyone think we're struggling because we have central defenders whose strengths lie in MON's style of play and not the new style though? To me they look like they are much more comfortable being under the cosh for 75% of the game and having lots to do rather than playing high up the pitch and only having to defend a couple of times a game. I don't have anything against the guys currently playing at the backas players but I just don't think they're cut out for the way we play anymore. They're much better players defending deep and having balls pumped into the box to head clear, much like the noses play now. I'd expect Ged to address these positions either in Jan or the summer.
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We lost - and i hate losing to these - but rather it be a cup game and at theirs than seeing their idiots strol out of Villa Park with all three points. We did better than i thought we did but it still a pisser to lose. But the behaviour of their fans - and this after their team had actually won the game - says a lot about their club. Had we won it would have been a bit of bragging and then focus on the next game. No doubt they will make 1st Dec a key day in their history and have the game out on dvd by the end of the week.
My thoughts roughly five minutes after the final whistle, when it was all kicking off as their fans stormed the pitch, were that the phrase 'class is permanent, form is temporary' has never been more applicable.
Blues: they'll just never have it. And they don't realise why.
The class/form analagy was my Facebook status from around 10 last night.
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You do all realise that flare was thrown by our fans first? Don't believe the press, it definitely came from our end. Yes they goaded us but it was ours throwing flares and seats and smashing everything up in sight.
As for the game, we had all of the ball but created very little and the one chance we did create Ashley Young decided to try and tap it over the line, all he had to do was put his foot through that.
Our keeper and defence cost us again, 3 of them couldn't clear that piss poor cross and Friedel dived in slow motion, i know it took a deflection but someone like Given would have saved that.
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Ok. I'm not condoning the throwing of a flare at all, but its a flare, not a firework. Its not going to explode, it just gives off coloured smoke? They are banned from football stadia due to causing visibility issues, not for risk of harm to anyone.
Am I wrong? Im happy to be corrected if so.
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Not wishing to keep the quotes going, could I just add my support for Chris's excellent post which I fully agree with.
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As many have said - gutted about the result but pleased with the performance especially second half. I loved the fact that we were more physical than them - Clarke and Hogg were tackliing hard and to see Bowyer black and blue was a joy. The kids will have learnt a hell of a lot last night.
Take it on the chin and remember class is permanent and you still can't polish a turd! The whole of Europe have now seen Small Time Small Heath in action.
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Ok. I'm not condoning the throwing of a flare at all, but its a flare, not a firework. Its not going to explode, it just gives off coloured smoke? They are banned from football stadia due to causing visibility issues, not for risk of harm to anyone.
Am I wrong? Im happy to be corrected if so.
It could have an eye out. Then again, so could anything that came within 3 feet of your eyes, according to my mother.
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Didn't much enjoy my evening at that place and in no rush to be going back, the moment when a glass bottle narrowly missed my face was the moment that I thought 'I don't really need this' but enough has been said about that nonsense already.
I thought we played well overall and exceeded my expectations. Hogg & Clark were excellent. We looked impressively comfortable in possession (particularly in light of the occasion) and promising in attack with some variance to our play. However, we suffer from being defensively fragile at the moment - not just the back four in my view, its how we defend as a team when we lose the ball - and a lack of killer instinct up front. Both problems are solvable. It strikes me that we're very close but Houllier perhaps hasn't quite got the players he needs to play the way he wants. I'd remain hopeful that with some players returning to fitness and a January transfer window, things could look very different.
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Picking up on Chris' point ref Ireland I agree, the glimpses were there and it wasn't his "not bothered" approach of late.
There was a moment after he came on where he got the ball with two Blues players bearing down, one dived in to try and clatter him and he simply dinked the ball in the air, stepped back, allowing the Blues player to slide through missing man and ball, took back possession and played a simple pass. My mate and I turned to each other at the same time and just said "class".
Links back nicely to class vs form. If (big if) we can get our best players playing their best, together as a team, we'll still be up there as an excellent Top 6 side, the same most defnitely cannot be said for the Noses.
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McInally made me laugh last night,praising Ferguson for 'keeping the ball in the 2nd half',they're midfield hardly touched it,we completly bossed the midfield second half. They should've been down to ten men as well.
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I thought we dominated 80% of the game & the only quality on show came from us (Zigic must be the worst centre forward to ever grace the premiership). But its results that count and the pattern is there for all to see; play well and lose. GH will need to make us far more solid over the next few weeks. The experienced players are letting us down at the moment, particularly Dunne and Collins.
We don't look like scoring either, we must play with 2 up front as we are not going to score many from midfield.
Blose did the only thing that they are good at, defend & hope to snatch a goal. If they get past West Ham & play Arsenal are they guaranteed a Europa Cup place? If so what a prospect it is to have those morons travelling around Europe.
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Losing to that lot is never pleasant but if you put aside the result (I know) there is a lot to be optimistic about. We outplayed them for long periods of the game with 3 kids in midfield one of who is a centre half. We're getting there; we play clever, inventive football but aren't quite making the most of it although I think that will come when Heskey and Albrighton are available again to give us more options. Reo Coker, Petrov and Delph will also all offer something additional in the middle. Also, whisper it quitely but Ireland is starting to show signs of what he can do.
It's defensively that we're struggling but then again we have Cuellar coming back now and Davies to return from loan. I'm not sure than itself will be enough but with a bit more experience in front of them it might tighten things up a little. It's definitely the area that needs most attention.
On top of that we have the chance to add to the squad in January.
Comapre that to the Noses where that is the best they can play; I wouldn't swap places for anything.
Read and digest.
This is spot on.
Agreed. It's probably Chris's best ever post!
Absolutely agreed.
Well said, Chris.
Another vote here. Welcome back, Chris.
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The defence really is a worry. Sides that get relegated are totally useless defensively. We really are that bad at the moment as we always look like we will concede. I'd drop only Dunne for now for Cuellar, but possibly move Luke Young to left-back and play Lichaj. Something needs to be done. Friedel is lucky that to be still in the team also, but I don't think he has done badly enough to be dropped.
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Losing to that lot is never pleasant but if you put aside the result (I know) there is a lot to be optimistic about. We outplayed them for long periods of the game with 3 kids in midfield one of who is a centre half. We're getting there; we play clever, inventive football but aren't quite making the most of it although I think that will come when Heskey and Albrighton are available again to give us more options. Reo Coker, Petrov and Delph will also all offer something additional in the middle. Also, whisper it quitely but Ireland is starting to show signs of what he can do.
It's defensively that we're struggling but then again we have Cuellar coming back now and Davies to return from loan. I'm not sure than itself will be enough but with a bit more experience in front of them it might tighten things up a little. It's definitely the area that needs most attention.
On top of that we have the chance to add to the squad in January.
Comapre that to the Noses where that is the best they can play; I wouldn't swap places for anything.
Read and digest.
This is spot on.
Agreed. It's probably Chris's best ever post!
Absolutely agreed.
Well said, Chris.
Another vote here. Welcome back, Chris.
Snap. Why couldn't you have been this sensible about MON? *winky thing*
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You do all realise that flare was thrown by our fans first? Don't believe the press, it definitely came from our end. Yes they goaded us but it was ours throwing flares and seats and smashing everything up in sight.
<peers down nose> at certain posters...</peers down nose>
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I feel surprisingly less bothered about it this morning than I thought I would.
We battered them throughout the second half, we played all the football. They were really all about keeping it level and trying to hit us on the break.
Zigic is one of the worst strikers I've ever seen play in the PL, and last night he was absolutely piss poor by even his own, shockingly low standards.
The fact they got a lucky break with it cannoning off him and one of our defenders and past Friedel is probably a price worth paying, given all the fortunate, last few minutes of game situations we've had. What goes around comes around.
As Chris said, for us, there were plenty of positives to take from the game, and we can see what we're moving towards.
For them, it really doesn't get much better than that - in football entertainment terms, they're the equivalent of a night out in 1970s East Germany, and that's all they're likely to be.
Sums it up very well, I cant really explain why I'm not as bothered about this result as I should be.
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Agreed with the not as bothered remark. Positives are showing through but a word of caution. West ham were relegated with an arguably better team a few years back. Seemingly because they didn't take the seriousness of their situation until too late. When they started to win games so did others and they went down with something like 43 points.
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I'm not overly bothered, I thought I would be.
I'm looking at the bigger picture, young vibrant players, experience to come back from injury and a couple of shrewd signings from Gerard.
The future still looks good.
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On reflection:
Friedel is becoming a bit of a liability.2 goals on Sat down to him, and you could argue 2 last night.
An unbending defence under MON, now looks unbelievably fragile, and all of a sudden old.
Dunne all of a sudden looks like a player coming to the end of his career.Slow and cumbersome, gets caught out with the inside ball.
Collins, positionally all over the place, his distribution poor, and his insistence on trying a 50 yd pass at every opportunity, and failing in most attempts, giving the ball away like that led to their 2nd goal.
LYoung.....absolutely useless last night, constantly failed to keep the ball in play, too slow,skinned too easily, and one good challenge on Donkey in the 1st half failed to hide the fact that hes a liability.
Warnock....not the player he was at the start of last year, but probably our best defender last night.
AYoung......not sure about him in this new role.Think he is more effective in a wide role, with either Bannan, or Ireland off Gabby.Does;nt seem to know how to play this free role, and does'nt score enough.
Positives....Bannan yet again, keeps the ball very well, and always looks for a positive pass.Should be in a more important position.
Hogg, and Clark.......Hogg was our best player yday, and Clark will be a good player, but probably as a C/H.Both moved the ball well, and tried to bring the ball down and play.
Gabby....took his goal well, but never got the service.Not enough support from midfield.
Trouble is like BBurn, we struggle against a deep lying defence, and a team who play on the counter.The defence looked fragile all game, and 2nd best in too many challenges.I mean we lost to a team that has Jerome and Zigic as a foward line, unbelievable.
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You win games by scoring goals and not conceding them. In between you can play like Brazil at their best and it matters not a jot.
You can have the best kids in the world passing like football magicians but if no one sticks it in the net, you get relegated.
You can sit in your seat and extol how good the kids are, how great the passing was, but goals count, for or against and at the moment, stating the obvious, we are not finishing the chances we create and giving away too many soft goals, usually late on in the half.
That alone is a sign of lack of concentration brought on by a lack of experience.
Blues won because we gave away 2 dumb goals and scored 1, and I'm sure those who can be bothered can show similar examples from the season of similar endings.
Plus whilst I fully appreciate Houllier bought into a hornets nest, and has not had any time to make huge changes, he must now start sharing in the blame.
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The Times cracked me up, their reporter claimed that Gardner came on 'and made a big difference.'
Clearly he never even watched the game.
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You win games by scoring goals and not conceding them. In between you can play like Brazil at their best and it matters not a jot.
You can have the best kids in the world passing like football magicians but if no one sticks it in the net, you get relegated.
You can sit in your seat and extol how good the kids are, how great the passing was, but goals count, for or against and at the moment, stating the obvious, we are not finishing the chances we create and giving away too many soft goals, usually late on in the half.
That alone is a sign of lack of concentration brought on by a lack of experience.
Blues won because we gave away 2 dumb goals and scored 1, and I'm sure those who can be bothered can show similar examples from the season of similar endings.
Plus whilst I fully appreciate Houllier bought into a hornets nest, and has not had any time to make huge changes, he must now start sharing in the blame.
Absolutely, a goal down in any game let alone a cup-tie of such importance you need to go for it, big men needed against a defence like Blues. What did GH do? Brought on two powder puffs in the form of Delfouneso and Pires. As bad as Carew played on Saturday surely he would have made more difference than those two.
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Absolutely, a goal down in any game let alone a cup-tie of such importance you need to go for it, big men needed against a defence like Blues. What did GH do? Brought on two powder puffs in the form of Delfouneso and Pires. As bad as Carew played on Saturday surely he would have made more difference than those two.
I would say the exact opposite, Dann and Johnson just love heading the ball away, the best tactic is to keep the ball on the deck, what we did was to just lump it forward hoping something would drop after Blues scored.
Keep playing football would have been a better tactic.
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They barely touched the ball, had four shots, three off target and won the game. That Zigic is an abortion of a player, the ball was heading for row Z before the two deflections.
We need to be more clinical up top and Dunne and Collins need to have ther partnership broken up. Woeful defending when they were called upon.
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Outplayed them without creating enough chances. Couldn't defend the last 10 minutes again. We're becoming the embodiment of of "lovely team: 3 points".
Time for Houllier to earn his wages now. It's going to be a rough month and we need points. Pretty football: check, porous defence: check, blunt up front: check. Unless we put some points on the board between now and Christmas it's going to be difficult to attract anybody half decent in January.
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You win games by scoring goals and not conceding them. In between you can play like Brazil at their best and it matters not a jot.
You can have the best kids in the world passing like football magicians but if no one sticks it in the net, you get relegated.
You can sit in your seat and extol how good the kids are, how great the passing was, but goals count, for or against and at the moment, stating the obvious, we are not finishing the chances we create and giving away too many soft goals, usually late on in the half.
That alone is a sign of lack of concentration brought on by a lack of experience.
Blues won because we gave away 2 dumb goals and scored 1, and I'm sure those who can be bothered can show similar examples from the season of similar endings.
Plus whilst I fully appreciate Houllier bought into a hornets nest, and has not had any time to make huge changes, he must now start sharing in the blame.
And you can win games under MON whilst playing badly nd finish 6th three seasons in a row, with a cup final and FA Cup semi in the last season, and still people will complain. (This isn't directly aimed at you in particular).
We're playing some good football now, arguably better than we have in recent seasons, but the results aren't coming (yet), but they will do.
Do you want some good football played with results being not so good, or the way it often was with MON (not that it was always bad (I think some people forget that)), where we might not play so great, but have some good results?
Let's just watch some good football for a change. If we lose, we lose. Unless you spend a shit load of money, odds are you won't win anything anyway (who'd have thought Chelsea and Man Utd would go out to Newcastle and West Ham?).
We're like a shit Arsenal ;)
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You win games by scoring goals and not conceding them. In between you can play like Brazil at their best and it matters not a jot.
You can have the best kids in the world passing like football magicians but if no one sticks it in the net, you get relegated.
You can sit in your seat and extol how good the kids are, how great the passing was, but goals count, for or against and at the moment, stating the obvious, we are not finishing the chances we create and giving away too many soft goals, usually late on in the half.
That alone is a sign of lack of concentration brought on by a lack of experience.
Blues won because we gave away 2 dumb goals and scored 1, and I'm sure those who can be bothered can show similar examples from the season of similar endings.
Plus whilst I fully appreciate Houllier bought into a hornets nest, and has not had any time to make huge changes, he must now start sharing in the blame.
And you can win games under MON whilst playing badly nd finish 6th three seasons in a row, with a cup final and FA Cup semi in the last season, and still people will complain. (This isn't directly aimed at you in particular).
We're playing some good football now, arguably better than we have in recent seasons, but the results aren't coming (yet), but they will do.
Do you want some good football played with results being not so good, or the way it often was with MON (not that it was always bad (I think some people forget that)), where we might not play so great, but have some good results?
Let's just watch some good football for a change. If we lose, we lose. Unless you spend a shit load of money, odds are you won't win anything anyway (who'd have thought Chelsea and Man Utd would go out to Newcastle and West Ham?).
We're like a shit Arsenal ;)
I agree,I think we're gonna have to ride this season out,expect some defeats as the players get use to new methods of playing. I know the results haven't been good,but the movement of the players,the improvment of keeping the ball,also the fact that 4 or 5 youngsters are getting alot of experience will prove important for next season.
I think most of us were in agreement that the football at the end of last season was getting painful to watch,the change won't happen over night,so we all need to be patient.
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Remember people, Martin only got where he was by spending millions and millions on players and wages.
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Same as every other manager then gibbo.
Thing is the same defence that MON brought in now looks a lot more porous.That must be down to the managerial styles.
Now i'm not going to get into the GH vs MON debate, but the fact is we don't look so organized in defence as we did last year, and we need to tighten up.
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Absolutely, a goal down in any game let alone a cup-tie of such importance you need to go for it, big men needed against a defence like Blues. What did GH do? Brought on two powder puffs in the form of Delfouneso and Pires. As bad as Carew played on Saturday surely he would have made more difference than those two.
I would say the exact opposite, Dann and Johnson just love heading the ball away, the best tactic is to keep the ball on the deck, what we did was to just lump it forward hoping something would drop after Blues scored.
Keep playing football would have been a better tactic.
Well either way Houllier got it wrong. If he wanted to play football, why did we throw Collins up front and lump the ball to him. If He wanted to lump the ball forward, he should have brought on Carew, rather than Delfonueso.
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My ticket arrived this morning.
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Ah, well you get to go back another day. ;)
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Ah, well you get to go back another day. ;)
More proof that a trip to the Sty truly is a trip back in time.
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Sack Houllier now before he reverses us all the way into the Championship.
Oh do piss off.
I daresay you have realised I was correct after that Anfield disgrace.