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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Confusious says on November 29, 2010, 06:53:20 PM
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What does BBC Panorama think it's doing with their 'Dirty Secrets' programme on tonight at 8.30? Call this good timing? Just when they are about to announce the next venue of the world cup. Seriously it's like going for an interview at a job and slagging off the company to the person who is interviewing you for the position, and then wondering why you don't get the job.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
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They don't give a shit, the wankers. The written media are just as bad. Seriously, why bother proving to the world that FIFA is corrupt? What's next week's exclusive, 2 + 2 = 4?
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The papers then to seize on it tomorrow, followed by mourning in the papers on friday when we lose out to Spain and Portugal...
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Does anyone really think we'll get it anyway?
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There's more chance of England winning it than hosting it. Which says it all. No chance.
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I don't think we will get it but Panorama could have waited and showed it after the decision had been made.
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The Panorama tonight and the article in the Sunday Times is a first class suicide note for England 2018 bid. FFS everyone knows that "facilitisation fees" and "nominal gifts" (Like diamonds for wives) are normal part of a FIFA delegates life. Even England have offered staging football matches in return for votes. So why the heck does media think that somehow we will all be shocked with their revelations?
What's the point in rubbing their noses in it and the vengeful bastards taking it out on the fans by denying England 2018?
I am angry as I expect to be very disappointed on Thursday.
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Never understand that about the British media. Knock down their own at every opportunity then piss and moan when it leads to failure.
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So everyone is happy to put up with corruption within the governing body of the game we follow in order to host the World Cup?
Both the Times and Panorama are carrying on the tradition of investigative journalism, exposing wrongdoing and calling those in power to account.
We should not turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing lest we abdicate the right to ever complain about this sort of thing again, the timing is immaterial because any bid should stand and fall on it's own merits.
It strikes me that the line between right and wrong is being increasingly blurred these days, just look at the attempted justification of torture as a tool with which to tackle terrorism.
I would dearly love to see the World Cup in England and I know it would be a tremendous success, but not at any price and certainly not via the surrender of the moral high ground when it comes to an organistation such as FIFA.
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They don't give a shit, the wankers. The written media are just as bad. Seriously, why bother proving to the world that FIFA is corrupt? What's next week's exclusive, 2 + 2 = 4?
Spot on.
The timing of it is fucking abysmal. Why not do it a couple of weeks earlier - if they have to do it at all - to at least give England's bid team time to try to rebuild bridges?
Everyone knows the whole process is corrupt as fuck, but we knew this when we entered the bid - if there was such a moral need for the system to be changed, we shouldn't have engaged in the process in the first place.
All those people who have worked so hard for so long to get the World Cup in England, all that time and money spent, and it is all going to be wasted by a bit of grandstanding on a Monday night. Pathetic.
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Completely agree with that, paulie.
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I wouldn't mind the timing if there was a genuine story. But a couple of guys taking a 'gift' 15 years ago ?
After watching the appalling piece they did a few years ago on Redknapp & Alladyce etc, I have zero respect for any thing that is produced by Panorama. Piss poor journalism dressed up as hard hitting and investigative.
The timing is purely designed to garner attention for a weak as piss programme
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Panorama is not what it used to be.
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I don't agree. FIFA seems to go around like some medieval Royal Court demanding tax-breaks and changes to laws and a bribe is a bribe however long ago it was. Jack Warner's still there in a voting capacity, isn't he? If modern football is a cynical money-making exercise, it's FIFA that is at least culpable, if not responsible. Fuck the World Cup bid!
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FIFA have been totally discredited.
What a bunch of greedy, self interested bastards.
We should pull out of the fucking competition if we lose the bid.
Fuck them.
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So everyone is happy to put up with corruption within the governing body of the game we follow in order to host the World Cup?
Both the Times and Panorama are carrying on the tradition of investigative journalism, exposing wrongdoing and calling those in power to account.
We should not turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing lest we abdicate the right to ever complain about this sort of thing again, the timing is immaterial because any bid should stand and fall on it's own merits.
It strikes me that the line between right and wrong is being increasingly blurred these days, just look at the attempted justification of torture as a tool with which to tackle terrorism.
I would dearly love to see the World Cup in England and I know it would be a tremendous success, but not at any price and certainly not via the surrender of the moral high ground when it comes to an organistation such as FIFA.
I'm with Nev on this, totally.
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Ok... at first I felt the BBC were totally wrong to air the programme when they did. Typical of our press / media however....
After watching the programme I have changed my mind. I believe the Beeb felt the British Public needed to know just what we were being signed up to by the 'Bid Team' and our Prime Ministers past and present
The bungs I ain't to bothered about we all know the whole thing is as corrupt as fuck. Its the guarantees the British Government have signed up to which basically prostitutes the English democracy system to a bunch of alleged corrupt tossers in Switzerland.
How desperate do we have to get to sign away our rights to entry into this country and our tax system just to make FIFA even richer than they are already.
Our own Prime Minister, while the country is in financial meltdown, is prepared to bend over and let this Country be royally rogered from behind for the sake of winning a bid that according to the Dutch will only result in a net loss to the economy.
To be perfectly honest, fuck the bid and fuck FIFA. Whilst football has these idiots in charge then the game can and will go and screw itself.
And as for that clown Jack Warner, he has about as much credibility as little Jack Horner. In my opinion a nasty odious little man.
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I worked with a couple of chaps who worked at ISL, the agency that handled the World Cup rights. They had a lot of money from somewhere which launched our company.
A lot of sports rights deals are bent in my view and experience.
The timing is obvious isn't it? Makes the most impact.
I agree totally with the investigation and I think we should be making a much bigger fuss over our desire to host such an apparently corrupt event.
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So everyone is happy to put up with corruption within the governing body of the game we follow in order to host the World Cup?
Both the Times and Panorama are carrying on the tradition of investigative journalism, exposing wrongdoing and calling those in power to account.
We should not turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing lest we abdicate the right to ever complain about this sort of thing again, the timing is immaterial because any bid should stand and fall on it's own merits.
It strikes me that the line between right and wrong is being increasingly blurred these days, just look at the attempted justification of torture as a tool with which to tackle terrorism.
I would dearly love to see the World Cup in England and I know it would be a tremendous success, but not at any price and certainly not via the surrender of the moral high ground when it comes to an organistation such as FIFA.
I'm with Nev on this, totally.
Sign me up for this minority group as well.
Personally I think an Iberia World Cup would probably be better anyway. But a Russian one quite obviously wouldn't.
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So everyone is happy to put up with corruption within the governing body of the game we follow in order to host the World Cup?
Both the Times and Panorama are carrying on the tradition of investigative journalism, exposing wrongdoing and calling those in power to account.
We should not turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing lest we abdicate the right to ever complain about this sort of thing again, the timing is immaterial because any bid should stand and fall on it's own merits.
It strikes me that the line between right and wrong is being increasingly blurred these days, just look at the attempted justification of torture as a tool with which to tackle terrorism.
I would dearly love to see the World Cup in England and I know it would be a tremendous success, but not at any price and certainly not via the surrender of the moral high ground when it comes to an organistation such as FIFA.
I'm with Nev on this, totally.
Moi, aussi
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I don't have a problem with Panorama or The Times bringing this to the wider public's attention, and far from bad timing, it's perfect timing with 2016 hosts about to be decided.
So many aspects of the sport are tawdry and allegedly corrupt, including elements of the World governing body, I actually won't lose any night's sleep if FIFA vote in favour of the Russian bid.
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All Panorama did tonight was to recyle a very old story. A tale that has been throuuh a european court. Nothing new came out with the last of so called dogy payments being made in 1999. Nothing new nothing to be associated with last few world cups. So what was the point? Do BBC have nothing new these days and just like their general entertainment they have to resort to repeats for factual programmes as. well. The whole thing was a disgrace and BBC should be ashamed of this broadcast.
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Thanks BBC for fucking up what little chance we had.
They should of aired this months ago or after the bid, not at the exact time it can be most destructive to our bid.
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Do BBC have nothing new these days and just like their general entertainment they have to resort to repeats for factual programmes as. well. The whole thing was a disgrace and BBC should be ashamed of this broadcast.
Presumably you'd be in favour of increasing the licence fee from the 40p per day you currently pay then?
I agree it wasn't as thorough as it could have been and sadly Panorama is a shadow of itself since they cut it to half an hour, but lets face it, there are precious few serious investigative programmes on any of the other channels.
I still believe it was worth doing though. Smug, untouchable, corrupt fat cats, milking the system for their own ends.
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Good on the BBC for not bowing to pressure and to their reporters for doing the job they entered their profession for.
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If the FA had any credibility it would have told FIFA and UEFA to fuck off a long time ago.
We like to think tht the game is straight, it isnt, if its corrupt at the top then its rotten underneath
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Thanks BBC for fucking up what little chance we had.
They should of aired this months ago or after the bid, not at the exact time it can be most destructive to our bid.
Thing is Gibbo, why should we be quiet ?
It's a corrupt organisation from Blatter downwards, I really do think we ought to pull out of the World Cup if it goes to Russia.
Our bid will be the strongest as we have everything in place or almost ( as in VP !) - and it's been so many years since we held the tournament, it's ours for the taking.
If we lose because of the corruption, why even bother with it until Blatter is sacked and FIFA cleansed ?
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So everyone is happy to put up with corruption within the governing body of the game we follow in order to host the World Cup?
Both the Times and Panorama are carrying on the tradition of investigative journalism, exposing wrongdoing and calling those in power to account.
We should not turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing lest we abdicate the right to ever complain about this sort of thing again, the timing is immaterial because any bid should stand and fall on it's own merits.
It strikes me that the line between right and wrong is being increasingly blurred these days, just look at the attempted justification of torture as a tool with which to tackle terrorism.
I would dearly love to see the World Cup in England and I know it would be a tremendous success, but not at any price and certainly not via the surrender of the moral high ground when it comes to an organistation such as FIFA.
I was going to spend 15 minutes writing on this subject.
However, in the interests of saving time........................
Wot he said !!
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I'm not sure why anyone thinks that where you have a situation where 24 delegates get to decide the venue for a future World Cup, with all the spin-offs, kudus, investment that it will bring to the host, that these delegates won't be willing to listen to offers for their votes. The whole situation makes these delegates extremely powerful, and as everyone knows, with power comes influence and money, and usually also greed.
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So everyone is happy to put up with corruption within the governing body of the game we follow in order to host the World Cup?
Both the Times and Panorama are carrying on the tradition of investigative journalism, exposing wrongdoing and calling those in power to account.
We should not turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing lest we abdicate the right to ever complain about this sort of thing again, the timing is immaterial because any bid should stand and fall on it's own merits.
It strikes me that the line between right and wrong is being increasingly blurred these days, just look at the attempted justification of torture as a tool with which to tackle terrorism.
I would dearly love to see the World Cup in England and I know it would be a tremendous success, but not at any price and certainly not via the surrender of the moral high ground when it comes to an organistation such as FIFA.
I'm with Nev on this, totally.
Sign me up for this minority group as well.
Personally I think an Iberia World Cup would probably be better anyway. But a Russian one quite obviously wouldn't.
I'm on this team too.
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if we lose out with the bid,
it will become just another stick with which to beat the BBC with, whether we would have won it with or without the program, the BBC will get the blame
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Seems to me most here are slagging off the BBC for doing a job of independent investigative journalism.
Its not the BBC that has stolen $100 million in the form of bribes and kick backs, money stolen that should be going into the development of football at its grass roots.
Getting the tournament in 2018 would mean entering into very serious and very substantial financial arrangements with a highly undemocratic, highly untransparent, and on the evidence of the Panorama programme a highly corrupt organisation.
However, for the sake of greed and avarice its seems we are willing to ignore this and dance with the devil.
Just as we have danced with devil watching the obscenity of the Premier league develop in recent years, attracting in some cases owners of dubious character who have made their wealth by corrupt means.
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If the FA had any credibility it would have told FIFA and UEFA to fuck off a long time ago.
We like to think tht the game is straight, it isnt, if its corrupt at the top then its rotten underneath
This I agree with.
However, we still as a country will take part in competitions run by these corrupt organisations in the knowledge that they are corrupt organisations. Somewhat hypocritical isn't it. But then again, is our FA squeaky clean?
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For all those who think the BBC shouldn't have done this, remember we live in a free country and they have a right to broadcast any truthful programme at any time they like. If we're saying they shouldn't, aren't we therefore running scared of FIFA and the power they hold? Should fear of authority stop us from questioning that authority?
If we lose they World Cup because we told the truth then that says it all about them and I'd rather expose their corruption than be a party to it, whatever the cost.
"Let the truth be told though the heavens crumble."
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I don't know why people are getting so uppity about FIFA either, it's not like football in this country is whiter than white. What's the difference between delegates accepting money in return for votes, and agents and managers pocketing back handers to make transfers happen? The whole game is utterly corrupt.
Look at West Ham when they got caught red-handed over the Tevez affair. Was their punishment commensurate with their crime? Was it balls.
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the whole game is in a mess and is run, by and for, greedy wankers without any care about the game itself...
anything that brings this to the attention of the general masses, is fine by me... acceptance, is the first stage to fixing the problem...
my only concern, is that with the timing, when things to go wrong, the blame will be put on the whistle blowers, and the greedy and corrupt will do what they always do, and get away with it...
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I don't agree. FIFA seems to go around like some medieval Royal Court demanding tax-breaks and changes to laws and a bribe is a bribe however long ago it was. Jack Warner's still there in a voting capacity, isn't he? If modern football is a cynical money-making exercise, it's FIFA that is at least culpable, if not responsible. Fuck the World Cup bid!
What James said.
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I don't agree. FIFA seems to go around like some medieval Royal Court demanding tax-breaks and changes to laws and a bribe is a bribe however long ago it was. Jack Warner's still there in a voting capacity, isn't he? If modern football is a cynical money-making exercise, it's FIFA that is at least culpable, if not responsible. Fuck the World Cup bid!
What James said.
Me too. Hope we don't get it. Let some other mug of a country foot the bill. Or perhaps Prince William can pay for it since he seems so keen...actually, come to think of it, no as that is just another way of us paying for it all. Far bigger priorities in the world
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if we lose out with the bid,
it will become just another stick with which to beat the BBC with, whether we would have won it with or without the program, the BBC will get the blame
The point is that this so called expose was not very good. No depth and nothing new. We all know most Sports Associations are corrupt and more money they generate more corrupt they become.
I wish the BBC had astounded me with some real revelations so I could say well done.
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It will be great watching the world cup from our moral high-ground 1500 miles away.
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Thinking about it, why are we so bothered about having the World Cup in England anyway? Aren't the FA satisfied that we have the biggest followed league in the world already, isn't that enough?
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I find it worrying that a British PM is moaning about the BBC reporting the truth as annoying, Although some of last night was old news i am glad that both the BBC and the Times have reported what is going on with FIFA. I think we would be better with out the world cup.
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It will be great watching the world cup from our moral high-ground 1500 miles away.
Yes ......nose to ...... face come to mind!
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There was a piece in the Independent at the weekend about how FIFA travel around the world insisting on being fawned over in 5 star hotels etc. Not an exposee as such - just a statement of what their world is like. I don't think there is any chance of us winning the bid. Blatter would rather eat his own shit than see England get the WC. Our bid is so good - stadia and infrastructure in place, public and government backing etc - it will be our downfall. It will go to Russia on the basis that their crumbling stadia will be resurrected so the bid will be seen to leave a legacy. The only legacy our bid offers is debt to pay for it. I would prefer the Times and Panorama not to have publicised their findings as they will take the rap should our bid fail. It would have been better to wait until after the result of the bid and then go in all guns blazing for a full exposusre of the depth of FIFA's corruption. Only thing is it would just look like sour grapes.
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Good on the BBC. Just because corruption is rife in football doesn't make it OK. It's because of people turning a blind eye that the situation is as bad as it is because, to a degree, we (not the fans as such but more so the global business of football) get the game we deserve. It has to stop somewhere and I think this could be a catalyst.
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If FIFA are as corrupt as is alleged, we will never get the World Cup anyway because the FA would never do what is required. At least I hope they wouldn't.
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If FIFA are as corrupt as is alleged, we will never get the World Cup anyway because the FA would never do what is required. At least I hope they wouldn't.
If that is the case, and it may well be, then we shouldnt be wasting public money bidding for it in the first place.
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If FIFA are as corrupt as is alleged, we will never get the World Cup anyway because the FA would never do what is required. At least I hope they wouldn't.
If that is the case, and it may well be, then we shouldnt be wasting public money bidding for it in the first place.
Agreed. It does make me wonder what we've agreed to sign up for in order to host the Olympics.
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I hope the Netherlands and Belgium win it! It's near, it would be a great laugh and according to the Dutch government they'd end up losing money for hosting it, not us. Win! Win! Win!
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If tge Panaroma report is correct then we would never relax our visa regime in order that FIFA can let all and sundry come in. That is to show their friends in certain areas that they can come and go as they please. Although visas will be handed out more favurably for those travelling to the World Cup we will not just hand over powers that are very strict.
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Good on the BBC for not bowing to pressure and to their reporters for doing the job they entered their profession for.
So, just because there was pressure on the BBC (not to derail a bid to bring the World Cup to England and thus deny hundreds of thousands of football fans and licence fee payers possibly the only chance of they'll ever get to witness it live), they were right not to bow to it? There is always pressure on people and organisations not to do bad things, so should they just do them anyway, rather than 'bow' to it?
If anyone is inspired to become a reporter by the prospect of exposing FIFA as corrupt, I've got something even more inspirational for them regarding the toilet habits of bears and the possibility of the Pope being a Catholic.
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Bitterly amusing to watch the Beeb desperately trying to claw back some credibility after its spinelessness over the illegal Iraq War.
The MPs expenses scandal allowed it to make a come-back of sorts
Now they have annoyed Cameron over the FIFA corruption issue. They should annoy him some more by calling him the war criminal he is.
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I see Putin has decided not to attend Zurich. He probably knows its in the bag, Abromovich has supplied the bungs and he has threatened the heavies if they don't get it. We never stood a chance.
We shouldn't demean ourselves by sending the PM and heir to the thrown to beg to a bunch of criminals.
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Have you seen the England World Cup Presentation video?
All geared around the top 4 with a bit of Spurz and Man City in there as well.
What a load of crap.
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There was a piece in the Independent at the weekend about how FIFA travel around the world insisting on being fawned over in 5 star hotels etc. Not an exposee as such - just a statement of what their world is like. I don't think there is any chance of us winning the bid. Blatter would rather eat his own shit than see England get the WC. Our bid is so good - stadia and infrastructure in place, public and government backing etc - it will be our downfall. It will go to Russia on the basis that their crumbling stadia will be resurrected so the bid will be seen to leave a legacy. The only legacy our bid offers is debt to pay for it. I would prefer the Times and Panorama not to have publicised their findings as they will take the rap should our bid fail. It would have been better to wait until after the result of the bid and then go in all guns blazing for a full exposusre of the depth of FIFA's corruption. Only thing is it would just look like sour grapes.
Hate to say I told you so but I told you so
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If the rumours are true that we were knocked out in the first round of voting thenm that is a bit of a joke.
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Interesting that a country allegedly controlled by the Russian Mafia won the Fifa votes
All the crooks joined together.
Either that or the Blues fans ruined our chances
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i really do hope now that the media investigate these crooks further and really go to town on them...
platinis comments the other day about how the media would influence their voting was a disgrace from a horrid little man...
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Probably didn't vote for us as they knew this country would make a balls up of it, let's face it, we've got form.
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Probably didn't vote for us as they knew this country would make a balls up of it, let's face it, we've got form.
When 1966? 1996?
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Corrupt bast$ds. FIFA are a disgrace. I'm losing faith in football. I'm not the only one.
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It looks as though they are committed to taking the WC to new countries, or markets, makes you wonder why we were encouraged to bid in the first place.
Nonetheless, I will blame SHA fans anyway.
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The World cup for 18 and 22 has been sold to the highest bidders ....of bribes
Shame and Football died today.
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FIFA are clearly a corrupt organisation and we never stood a chance of beating Russia or Spain as they are both countries with a rich tradition of bribery. Glad to also see that hotbed of football Qatar have been rewarded for their
bribes footballing legacy i.e. the stadiums will be demolished after the tournament. I know that they are promising to send the bits of stadium to developing countries but what does it actually do for developing football?
Totally predictable and it's actually quite brazen of FIFA to display their venality in full view like this.
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It isn't the fact that we lost, it;s the fact that we never had a chance to win. Blatter and co milked the Beckham, William, Cameron kudos in the knowledge that it would look good for FIFA (spit) even though we were never going to get it.
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Look in the bright side. Any bluenoses cause trouble in Russia, will have a new holiday home in Siberia for next 25 years
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It was probably in the bag months ago.
The Ruskies will have pulled out all the stops to make sure they got what they wanted. Bungs, horses heads on Blatter's pillow, allsorts.
There probably are less fan friendly locations in the world, both from a logistics and hospitality point of view. But I'd struggle to think of any straight off the bat. None of that will matter to FIFA though.
Today was just pantomime. Top acting from the Russian delegation to look all surprised when it was announced too.
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I've just looked up the venues that were part of the Russian bid. I don't think there's a single one east of the Ural's. What happened to a World Cup benefiting a whole country?
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Probably didn't vote for us as they knew this country would make a balls up of it, let's face it, we've got form.
When 1966? 1996?
Form at fucking everything up.
Talking of 1996, I remember that cringe making opening ceremony.
Two blokes running round the pitch in a pantomine dragon outfit, with somebody dressed as St. George chasing around after him. Ghastly.
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Losing to Russia was always on the cards.
But Qatar getting 2022 is really and utterly beyond the pale. No fans, no history, no football culture, no cities, no grounds - just a small area of sand, not even a real country.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
FIFA is a disgrace.
I really hope the press go town on them - gloves off.
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Losing to Russian was always on the cards.
But Qatar getting 2022 is really and utterly beyond the pale. No fans, no history, no culture, no cities, no grounds - just a small area of sand, not even a real country.
FIFA is a disgrace.
I really hope the press go town on them - gloves off.
Couldn't agree more.
On Qatar - do we really want our teams playing in 105F + temperatures? WTF?
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It isn't the fact that we lost, it;s the fact that we never had a chance to win. Blatter and co milked the Beckham, William, Cameron kudos in the knowledge that it would look good for FIFA (spit) even though we were never going to get it.
Or just maybe they were just totally ambivalent about them.
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Go on Russia. Great result.
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On Qatar - do we really want our teams playing in 105F + temperatures? WTF?
I'd quite like to see Terry, Cole et all suffering in those kinds of temperatures.
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Prince Baldilocks William's speech was shit
'In England we LOVE football'
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On Qatar - do we really want our teams playing in 105F + temperatures? WTF?
I'd quite like to see Terry, Cole et all suffering in those kinds of temperatures.
Sadly by 2022 they will be in the Pundits studio.
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perhaps england should set up a summer tournament at the same time featuring all the premier league teams and invited teams from other leagues ?
not just europe, china, latin america etc - that would piss fifa off
8 groups of 4 teams, group stages then a knockout, top 8 teams in PL get home advantadge for group stages
could make a mint
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On Qatar - do we really want our teams playing in 105F + temperatures? WTF?
I'd quite like to see Terry, Cole et all suffering in those kinds of temperatures.
Sadly by 2022 they will be in the Pundits studio.
Yeah, rambling on about the excessive heat being the reason why Jack Wilshere can't perform like he does day in and day out in the New Premiership of Europe.
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It isn't the fact that we lost, it;s the fact that we never had a chance to win. Blatter and co milked the Beckham, William, Cameron kudos in the knowledge that it would look good for FIFA (spit) even though we were never going to get it.
Or just maybe they were just totally ambivalent about them.
Are you serious? There is not one organisation in the world that couldn't use that kind of endorsement and if you think that FIFA don't know that then you are wrong. They milked it big time. The mere presence of those people has given a huge amount of credibility to FIFA at a time when they most need it.
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Quote from Sepp Blatter.
'Undoubtedly what sealed England's fate was the mindless and barbaric behaviour of Birmingham City fans in last nights game. This shocked a lot of the voting committee into thinking the scourge of English football has still not been eradicated.'
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Not surprised at Russia getting the vote, that was always on the cards. Given FIFA's recent history of trying to bring football to a wider audience & the availability
bungs it was always going to happen.
QATAR - WHAT THE FUCK, TRUELY ASTOUNDING.
Football in June in the desert
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Not surprised at Russia getting the vote, that was always on the cards. Given FIFA's recent history of trying to bring football to a wider audience & the availability
bungs it was always going to happen.
QATAR - WHAT THE FUCK, TRUELY ASTOUNDING.
Football in June in the desert
Truely are a rotten bunch to the core. Football really is shit in almost every way these days.
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Interesting read from this website....
http://www.qatarvisitor.com/index.php?cID=413&pID=1081
"Hottest average temperatures in Qatar peak at around 41 Celsius in June and July. Of course, that doesn’t reflect what it is really like to be out in the sun in the middle of the day when temperatures can reach or pass 50 degrees Celsius.
It’s also worse in the city, where air-conditioners pump cold air into the houses but hot air into the city.
The towns are also located in the coastal areas, where there is greater humidity. EVERYONE WHO CAN LEAVES QATAR IN THE SUMMER."
Read more: http://www.qatarvisitor.com/index.php?cID=413&pID=1081#ixzz16yLwAcQL
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It isn't the fact that we lost, it;s the fact that we never had a chance to win. Blatter and co milked the Beckham, William, Cameron kudos in the knowledge that it would look good for FIFA (spit) even though we were never going to get it.
Or just maybe they were just totally ambivalent about them.
Are you serious? There is not one organisation in the world that couldn't use that kind of endorsement and if you think that FIFA don't know that then you are wrong. They milked it big time. The mere presence of those people has given a huge amount of credibility to FIFA at a time when they most need it.
I suppose you have a point, it's a bit like when you take your kids to Disneyland. "Look kids, there's Micky Mouse, and Goofy and Donald Duck, let's get your picture taken with them and get their autographs". Then you walk away and think to yourself, they're just people in suits.
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It isn't the fact that we lost, it;s the fact that we never had a chance to win. Blatter and co milked the Beckham, William, Cameron kudos in the knowledge that it would look good for FIFA (spit) even though we were never going to get it.
Or just maybe they were just totally ambivalent about them.
Are you serious? There is not one organisation in the world that couldn't use that kind of endorsement and if you think that FIFA don't know that then you are wrong. They milked it big time. The mere presence of those people has given a huge amount of credibility to FIFA at a time when they most need it.
A very good point.
Regardless of ones own personal thoughts on Cameron he is British PM. Having him Brand Beckham and HRH so keen to impress FIFA which -to all intents and purposes- is still a boys club must have made them feel really important.
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I suppose you have a point, it's a bit like when you take your kids to Disneyland. "Look kids, there's Micky Mouse, and Goofy and Donald Duck, let's get your picture taken with them and get their autographs". Then you walk away and think to yourself, they're just people in suits.[/quote]
eh ?...........
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Beckham fails at another World Cup, how many more is he going to ruin.
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Beckham fails at another World Cup, how many more is he going to ruin.
That's a bit harsh.
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The only thing that's good about it is it makes Cameron and the tories look like twerps. No bad thing.
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Beckham fails at another World Cup, how many more is he going to ruin.
That's a bit harsh.
Funny though.
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Only in this country would Beckham be lauded as a hero footballer for the national team. A very average footballer who if he was ugly wouldn't be half as successful as he is now, he won fuck all whilst playing for England, got sent off in 98 when we would have beat Argentina and lets face it he's as thick as pig shit. He said he was very proud of England's success over the past 20 years, i must have missed those.
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The best technical bid for 2018 secured a weighty 2 (two) votes.
One of those was from...erm, England.
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Two votes just says it all, realy.
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Also, apparently the head of the Qatar bid told Al Jazeera (Qatar-based news network) that they were the winners before Sepp had chance to announce it.
Qatar's third largest city has a population roughly the same size as Lichfield.
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The only thing that's good about it is it makes Cameron and the tories look like twerps. No bad thing.
How so?
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Did Geoff Thompson get a vote?
If so that means we only convinced one delegate to vote for us.
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Two votes!! What have they been doing for the past four years?!
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Was diversity part of the technical bids?
Homosexuality in Qatar is punishable by prison and corporal punishment.
No kissing each other during goal celebrations, then.
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Probably didn't vote for us as they knew this country would make a balls up of it, let's face it, we've got form.
When 1966? 1996?
Form at fucking everything up.
Talking of 1996, I remember that cringe making opening ceremony.
Two blokes running round the pitch in a pantomine dragon outfit, with somebody dressed as St. George chasing around after him. Ghastly.
so your 'form' for the country f******g up everything, is a pantomime dragon wobbling about in the opening ceromony,
you dont half post some absolute bollox sometimes ace
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Beckham fails at another World Cup, how many more is he going to ruin.
That's a bit harsh.
Certainly is, he made a lot of effort.
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The real question now is what is the future for football here, given the relationship between us and FIFA. The recriminations have not yet begun. Why are we a member of FIFA? What do we get from it apart from a humiliation now and again?
Aparently we had the best technical bid and the best commercial bid. What are we expected to do? Thats probably a stupid question given the obvious answer.
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It's interesting how football being unpopular in a bidding country has become a strength. Perhaps rock bands should take the same approach when carrying out stadium tours.
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Was diversity part of the technical bids?
Homosexuality in Qatar is punishable by prison and corporal punishment.
No kissing each other during goal celebrations, then.
And racism in Russia is as rife and as disgusting as it was in the rest of the world in the 70's.
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The only thing that's good about it is it makes Cameron and the tories look like twerps. No bad thing.
How so?
Because we looked entirely ridiculous going over there fawning over them in a pack of three like we did. And him especially. Being an Old Etonian I am sure he enjoyed many a cold day in the playground playing slam with his mates.
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Beckham fails at another World Cup, how many more is he going to ruin.
That's a bit harsh.
Certainly is, he made a lot of effort.
Beckham fails at another World Cup, how many more is he going to ruin.
That's a bit harsh.
Certainly is, he made a lot of effort.
Are you sure it's not Martin O'Neills fault LV? To criticise Beckham after this farce is crazy. He did a very good job at representing our nation in my opinion, as he always did on the pitch. I f you want to point the finger at anyone then look further afield. Start with Trinidad and work your way East.
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I suppose you have a point, it's a bit like when you take your kids to Disneyland. "Look kids, there's Micky Mouse, and Goofy and Donald Duck, let's get your picture taken with them and get their autographs". Then you walk away and think to yourself, they're just people in suits.
eh ?...........
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The point I'm making is that the people who were there to put gloss on our bid made not the slightest bit of difference to the FIFA delegates voting. Two votes was all they got and one of those was from England.
Russia and Qatar had no dignitaries/celebrities/Royalty among their teams as far as I know.
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It was no ones fault except the corrupt bastards who gave and the corrupt bastards who received.
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I suppose you have a point, it's a bit like when you take your kids to Disneyland. "Look kids, there's Micky Mouse, and Goofy and Donald Duck, let's get your picture taken with them and get their autographs". Then you walk away and think to yourself, they're just people in suits.
eh ?...........
The point I'm making is that the people who were there to put gloss on our bid made not the slightest bit of difference to the FIFA delegates voting. Two votes was all they got and one of those was from England.
Russia and Qatar had no dignitaries/celebrities/Royalty among their teams as far as I know.
In a real contest they would have been impressed by our organisation and professionalism. Here it didn't matter because they were busy weighing the brown envelopes.
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The only thing that's good about it is it makes Cameron and the tories look like twerps. No bad thing.
How so?
Because we looked entirely ridiculous going over there fawning over them in a pack of three like we did. And him especially. Being an Old Etonian I am sure he enjoyed many a cold day in the playground playing slam with his mates.
I have a feeling that you think he is a twerp to begin with, so his being there hasn't changed that one iota. If he'd stayed at home, he would have been bashed as well. It's as pointless as blaming Beckham.
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Although it pains me to say it, I thought Cameron's speech today was excellent. Confident, clear, done without notes.
I'm sure it'll be the last time he convinces me on anything, but he managed it today.
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The only thing that's good about it is it makes Cameron and the tories look like twerps. No bad thing.
How so?
Because we looked entirely ridiculous going over there fawning over them in a pack of three like we did. And him especially. Being an Old Etonian I am sure he enjoyed many a cold day in the playground playing slam with his mates.
I have a feeling that you think he is a twerp to begin with, so his being there hasn't changed that one iota. If he'd stayed at home, he would have been bashed as well. It's as pointless as blaming Beckham.
Get with it usav, we live in a blame culture.
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David Bond at the BBC: "Before today's World Cup vote, Sepp Blatter reminded FIFA executive comm members about "certain media" and "recent media coverage.""
Forget all that "Woodward and Bernstein" bullshit, dragging up old allegations against FIFA and then broadcasting them two days before the vote was not an exercise in investigative journalism, it was the BBC letting us down.
Everyone knows Blatter is a ******, and that Warner is a bigger ****** and overtly corrupt, but why on earth choose to shout it from the rooftops as the bid team was going to head out to Zurich?
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Only in this country would Beckham be lauded as a hero footballer for the national team. A very average footballer who if he was ugly wouldn't be half as successful as he is now, he won fuck all whilst playing for England, got sent off in 98 when we would have beat Argentina and lets face it he's as thick as pig shit. He said he was very proud of England's success over the past 20 years, i must have missed those.
Excellent and I agree. Thought the whole thing was hilarious on Sky today. That idiot presenter shouting breathlessly at us all for about two hours as they hyped it more and more and more. I would have rather listened to some 'lift muzak' than that twat...
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Although it pains me to say it, I thought Cameron's speech today was excellent. Confident, clear, done without notes.
I'm sure it'll be the last time he convinces me on anything, but he managed it today.
Agreed. I'm a socialist and republican and in other circumstances come the glorious day would happily line up all Tories and Royals against the wall. However our future king and our PM together with probably today's most famous footballer all gave a solid performance. The guy who really impressed me though was the lad from Manchester.
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David Bond at the BBC: "Before today's World Cup vote, Sepp Blatter reminded FIFA executive comm members about "certain media" and "recent media coverage.""
Forget all that "Woodward and Bernstein" bullshit, dragging up old allegations against FIFA and then broadcasting them two days before the vote was not an exercise in investigative journalism, it was the BBC letting us down.
Everyone knows Blatter is a c***, and that Warner is a bigger c*** and overtly corrupt, but why on earth choose to shout it from the rooftops as the bid team was going to head out to Zurich?
Because to have held the programme back until after the vote in an attempt to not influence the decision would have made Panorama as corrupt as the people they were investigating. We should be proud to have such investigative journalists with the freedom of speech that we enjoy in our country and instead of blaming them turn our attentions to the corrupt tossers the BBC rumbled in the first place.
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David Bond at the BBC: "Before today's World Cup vote, Sepp Blatter reminded FIFA executive comm members about "certain media" and "recent media coverage.""
Forget all that "Woodward and Bernstein" bullshit, dragging up old allegations against FIFA and then broadcasting them two days before the vote was not an exercise in investigative journalism, it was the BBC letting us down.
Everyone knows Blatter is a c***, and that Warner is a bigger c*** and overtly corrupt, but why on earth choose to shout it from the rooftops as the bid team was going to head out to Zurich?
Because to have held the programme back until after the vote in an attempt to not influence the decision would have made Panorama as corrupt as the people they were investigating. We should be proud to have such investigative journalists with the freedom of speech that we enjoy in our country and instead of blaming them turn our attentions to the corrupt tossers the BBC rumbled in the first place.
They didn't rumble anyone, though, it was pretty much entirely old stuff which had been done before.
This was no great feat of investigative journalism.
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Only in this country would Beckham be lauded as a hero footballer for the national team. A very average footballer who if he was ugly wouldn't be half as successful as he is now, he won fuck all whilst playing for England, got sent off in 98 when we would have beat Argentina and lets face it he's as thick as pig shit. He said he was very proud of England's success over the past 20 years, i must have missed those.
Excellent and I agree. Thought the whole thing was hilarious on Sky today. That idiot presenter shouting breathlessly at us all for about two hours as they hyped it more and more and more. I would have rather listened to some 'lift muzak' than that twat...
bet your another that hates the x factor but still watches it, if you would rather listen to muzak what stopped you ?
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The only thing that's good about it is it makes Cameron and the tories look like twerps. No bad thing.
How so?
Because we looked entirely ridiculous going over there fawning over them in a pack of three like we did. And him especially. Being an Old Etonian I am sure he enjoyed many a cold day in the playground playing slam with his mates.
I have a feeling that you think he is a twerp to begin with, so his being there hasn't changed that one iota. If he'd stayed at home, he would have been bashed as well. It's as pointless as blaming Beckham.
I think a lot of politicians are twerps, but, especially a twerp who just wants to swan in at the last minute to say he swung it and take all the plaudits if it comes off. Blairesque if you will.
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didnt Lord Triesman have to resign in shame after he said other bids were corupt,
then we made groveling appoligies to the other nations, and called the man a twat for saying it.
bet he's sitting with a rye smile now
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David Bond at the BBC: "Before today's World Cup vote, Sepp Blatter reminded FIFA executive comm members about "certain media" and "recent media coverage.""
Forget all that "Woodward and Bernstein" bullshit, dragging up old allegations against FIFA and then broadcasting them two days before the vote was not an exercise in investigative journalism, it was the BBC letting us down.
Everyone knows Blatter is a c***, and that Warner is a bigger c*** and overtly corrupt, but why on earth choose to shout it from the rooftops as the bid team was going to head out to Zurich?
Because to have held the programme back until after the vote in an attempt to not influence the decision would have made Panorama as corrupt as the people they were investigating. We should be proud to have such investigative journalists with the freedom of speech that we enjoy in our country and instead of blaming them turn our attentions to the corrupt tossers the BBC rumbled in the first place.
They didn't rumble anyone, though, it was pretty much entirely old stuff which had been done before.
This was no great feat of investigative journalism.
Well the very fact that the BBC reporter is the only person to be banned from FIFA's headquarters clearly shows that he has ruffled feathers. I think it is entirely unfair on the BBC to imply that the programme has little or no merit and I believe that they acted in the best interests of the game. Yes we already knew that Warner and co are as corrupt as Robert Mugabe but that doesn't mean that we should stop highlighting the fact, particularly in light of the fresh evidence implicating them in dodgy activity to the tune of 100 million dollars.
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didnt Lord Triesman have to resign in shame after he said other bids were corupt,
then we made groveling appoligies to the other nations, and called the man a twat for saying it.
bet he's sitting with a rye smile now
Wry*
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David Bond at the BBC: "Before today's World Cup vote, Sepp Blatter reminded FIFA executive comm members about "certain media" and "recent media coverage.""
Forget all that "Woodward and Bernstein" bullshit, dragging up old allegations against FIFA and then broadcasting them two days before the vote was not an exercise in investigative journalism, it was the BBC letting us down.
Everyone knows Blatter is a c***, and that Warner is a bigger c*** and overtly corrupt, but why on earth choose to shout it from the rooftops as the bid team was going to head out to Zurich?
Because to have held the programme back until after the vote in an attempt to not influence the decision would have made Panorama as corrupt as the people they were investigating. We should be proud to have such investigative journalists with the freedom of speech that we enjoy in our country and instead of blaming them turn our attentions to the corrupt tossers the BBC rumbled in the first place.
They didn't rumble anyone, though, it was pretty much entirely old stuff which had been done before.
This was no great feat of investigative journalism.
Well the very fact that the BBC reporter is the only person to be banned from FIFA's headquarters clearly shows that he has ruffled feathers. I think it is entirely unfair on the BBC to imply that the programme has little or no merit and I believe that they acted in the best interests of the game. Yes we already knew that Warner and co are as corrupt as Robert Mugabe but that doesn't mean that we should stop highlighting the fact, particularly in light of the fresh evidence implicating them in dodgy activity to the tune of 100 million dollars.
Absolutely agree. What criticism would they have faced if they broadcast it tomorrow having held it back? All those having a go now would crucify them. Holding it back would be tantamount to condoning it. We do not have this corruption here because we have such a media. We should be grateful for that.
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Only in this country would Beckham be lauded as a hero footballer for the national team. A very average footballer who if he was ugly wouldn't be half as successful as he is now, he won fuck all whilst playing for England, got sent off in 98 when we would have beat Argentina and lets face it he's as thick as pig shit. He said he was very proud of England's success over the past 20 years, i must have missed those.
Excellent and I agree. Thought the whole thing was hilarious on Sky today. That idiot presenter shouting breathlessly at us all for about two hours as they hyped it more and more and more. I would have rather listened to some 'lift muzak' than that twat...
bet your another that hates the x factor but still watches it, if you would rather listen to muzak what stopped you ?
How did you guess John, I'm impressed! Add in the Apprentice too. Though I do draw the line at I'm A Celebrity. What stopped me was that shouting twat's repeated insistence that the vote was due any second...
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didnt Lord Triesman have to resign in shame after he said other bids were corupt,
then we made groveling appoligies to the other nations, and called the man a twat for saying it.
bet he's sitting with a rye smile now
Wry*
Unless he is one of them good old boys drinkin' whisky an all shit like that.
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didnt Lord Triesman have to resign in shame after he said other bids were corupt,
then we made groveling appoligies to the other nations, and called the man a twat for saying it.
bet he's sitting with a rye smile now
Wry*
oh rite, furst tyme i ever rote it, soz
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I think that if one good thing can come of this, is it doesn't help once in a while to be reminded of how the English are often perceived abroad. As a nation we have a certain aloofness, a superiority attitude (e.g. "The Best League in the World") and one of the legacies of Empire is a lingering resentment in many areas of the globe.
I am sure these are as much factors in FIFA's decision as BBC documentaries and alleged Russian backhanders.
For what it is worth, if I was the FA I'd now walk away from any future bids. A European country won't in any event now be successful until 2030/2034 (Gulp! I'll be 70 that year...) and FIFA can try to find some other Patsy to give the process some sheen of creditability. And the next time some foreign FA wants the England team to come and play a friendly, unless it is part of the planned assault on finally winning a major tournament, tell the likes of Jack Warner to fuck off.
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I think that if one good thing can come of this, is it doesn't help once in a while to be reminded of how the English are often perceived abroad. As a nation we have a certain aloofness, a superiority attitude (e.g. "The Best League in the World") and one of the legacies of Empire is a lingering resentment in many areas of the globe.
Doesn't stop them taking our................nevermind.
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Probably didn't vote for us as they knew this country would make a balls up of it, let's face it, we've got form.
When 1966? 1996?
Form at fucking everything up.
Talking of 1996, I remember that cringe making opening ceremony.
Two blokes running round the pitch in a pantomine dragon outfit, with somebody dressed as St. George chasing around after him. Ghastly.
so your 'form' for the country f******g up everything, is a pantomime dragon wobbling about in the opening ceromony,
you dont half post some absolute bollox sometimes ace
Silly, silly boy.
That wasn't an example of the country's fuck ups, just a laughably amatuerish performance they put on in 1996, Peter mentioned the year which reminded me.
You humourless nerk.
If you don't like it, tough shit.
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Agree with that Topdeck, there is no point in the FA having a place on the FIFA commitee, what benefits do we get from FIFA, we are playing a friendly in Thailand in June, what's the point.
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Although it pains me to say it, I thought Cameron's speech today was excellent. Confident, clear, done without notes.
I'm sure it'll be the last time he convinces me on anything, but he managed it today.
Weird, I saw him in an interview today and thought the same. He's still a twat though.
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Agree with that Topdeck, there is no point in the FA having a place on the FIFA commitee, what benefits do we get from FIFA, we are playing a friendly in Thailand in June, what's the point.
So thats who it was that voted for us.
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Probably didn't vote for us as they knew this country would make a balls up of it, let's face it, we've got form.
When 1966? 1996?
Form at fucking everything up.
Talking of 1996, I remember that cringe making opening ceremony.
Two blokes running round the pitch in a pantomine dragon outfit, with somebody dressed as St. George chasing around after him. Ghastly.
so your 'form' for the country f******g up everything, is a pantomime dragon wobbling about in the opening ceromony,
you dont half post some absolute bollox sometimes ace
Silly, silly boy.
That wasn't an example of the country's fuck ups, just a laughably amatuerish performance they put on in 1996, Peter mentioned the year which reminded me.
You humourless nerk.
If you don't like it, tough shit.
you really are a big twat
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I think that's enough of that.
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At least it means no more poxy friendlies in Trinidad and sucking up to the Mr Corrupts of this world.
We should also stop giving money to other countries to develop the game worldwide. We don't get anything for it. That's Fifa's job - let them do it!
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I think that if one good thing can come of this, is it doesn't help once in a while to be reminded of how the English are often perceived abroad. As a nation we have a certain aloofness, a superiority attitude (e.g. "The Best League in the World") and one of the legacies of Empire is a lingering resentment in many areas of the globe.
Agree... and the same arseholes that keep telling everyone we have the best league in the world also had the brilliant 39th game idea last year... telling the rest of the world that their football is so piss poor we'll send our clubs out to play a game in your country and rip off your deprived fans too.
I bet that went down really well around the globe!
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David Bond at the BBC: "Before today's World Cup vote, Sepp Blatter reminded FIFA executive comm members about "certain media" and "recent media coverage.""
Forget all that "Woodward and Bernstein" bullshit, dragging up old allegations against FIFA and then broadcasting them two days before the vote was not an exercise in investigative journalism, it was the BBC letting us down.
Everyone knows Blatter is a c***, and that Warner is a bigger c*** and overtly corrupt, but why on earth choose to shout it from the rooftops as the bid team was going to head out to Zurich?
Surprised at you viewpoint to be honest.
Hopefully Panorama was an attempt to shed light to the masses so to speak at a time when the coverage of the issue and FIFA as an organisation was at it's peak. I find it very disconcerting that our PM has bent over to a sporting organisation that is utterly unaccountable for it's actions. If the FA's of the countries bidding for these competitions weren't knee deep in the shite themselves and so had any scruples they would've pulled out of what was clearly a warped version of a democratic process. Maybe you could call it naive but I'm not sure I'd really want to stage a world cup knowing we'd bribed our way to 'winning' the 'bid'. Cynical, cold and unnerving bollocks of a process.
Of course this is just idealistic nonsense if you read some of the papers like The Sun (hello Mr Murdoch) who ran an editorial distancing our country from the BBC. What a surprise. I don't give a monkeys about the world cup anymore and won't until FIFA is no longer running it. They are more cynical and more self serving than the premier league and that is saying something.
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Australia got one vote and like England went out in the first round, i feel sorry for those that have invested three years of their lives in the attempt to bring what is now a tarnished competition to their homeland. I really don't give a rats about it i'm over the England team and the year on year crap they serve up, i'm sick of overbloated egoes and paypackets of prem players and their agents. If it wasn't for my inbred love of Aston Villa i could quite happily totally ignore the sport, it has become a corrupt beheamoth that swallows everything that's good. It is totally self serving and is there to make sure those in power stay in power.
Fck the England team, Fck FIFA, UP THE vILLA.
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It's no good everyone jumping up and down about the voting process being corupt. It didn't bother people when we still had a chance of winning it.
Rank hipochrisy.
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If the FA really want to clean up football they should democratise their own structures and allow fans some say on who runs the FA, the Premier League, etc.
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Good on the BBC for not bowing to pressure and to their reporters for doing the job they entered their profession for.
So, just because there was pressure on the BBC (not to derail a bid to bring the World Cup to England and thus deny hundreds of thousands of football fans and licence fee payers possibly the only chance of they'll ever get to witness it live), they were right not to bow to it? There is always pressure on people and organisations not to do bad things, so should they just do them anyway, rather than 'bow' to it?
If anyone is inspired to become a reporter by the prospect of exposing FIFA as corrupt, I've got something even more inspirational for them regarding the toilet habits of bears and the possibility of the Pope being a Catholic.
They had a story and ran it. That isn't bad, it's their job.
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Australia got one vote and like England went out in the first round, i feel sorry for those that have invested three years of their lives in the attempt to bring what is now a tarnished competition to their homeland. I really don't give a rats about it i'm over the England team and the year on year crap they serve up, i'm sick of overbloated egoes and paypackets of prem players and their agents. If it wasn't for my inbred love of Aston Villa i could quite happily totally ignore the sport, it has become a corrupt beheamoth that swallows everything that's good. It is totally self serving and is there to make sure those in power stay in power.
Fck the England team, Fck FIFA, UP THE vILLA.
Australia - like England- would be good to go tomorrow.
Two first class venues in Melbourne with Docklands/Telstra Dome and the MCG, two in Sydney with the Olympic/ ANZ Stadium and the Aussie Stadium, two in Brisbane with the Gabba and Suncorp Stadium and in Perth you have Subiaco.
That's seven before you even need to talk about building or upgrading any of the others.
Temperatures at that time of year wouldn't be an issue either as it would be Australian winter time -which lets face it, is winter Jim but not as we know it.
You can understand the pull of opening the thing out and leaving a legacy in Russia and the Middle East. But taken individually both of those bids when it came to actual specifics looked flawed. Russia has about two decent stadiums so far to speak of and is a logistical nightmare and if the bid had to go to a Middle East country there would be far better alternatives than Qatar.
I didn't see the Qatar presentation but the Ruski one looked piss poor, like it had been cobbled together overnight. No positives or certainty about what it could offer. Just plenty of "Trust us! Please!" type appeals. It was revealing too that yesterday when the Head of the Russian bid was asked about the arrival of the British PM he sneered and said something along the lines of "You think that can have an impact at this stage?" He knew it was in the bag.
Only thing where FIFA might have caused grief for themselves is the winning margin for both nations. It just doesn't tally with the information presented, so the natural conclusion is that the decision was taken on other criteria or factors not made public.
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Good on the BBC for not bowing to pressure and to their reporters for doing the job they entered their profession for.
So, just because there was pressure on the BBC (not to derail a bid to bring the World Cup to England and thus deny hundreds of thousands of football fans and licence fee payers possibly the only chance of they'll ever get to witness it live), they were right not to bow to it? There is always pressure on people and organisations not to do bad things, so should they just do them anyway, rather than 'bow' to it?
If anyone is inspired to become a reporter by the prospect of exposing FIFA as corrupt, I've got something even more inspirational for them regarding the toilet habits of bears and the possibility of the Pope being a Catholic.
They had a story and ran it. That isn't bad, it's their job.
True, but they had the option of waiting a couple of weeks to air it.
Like the tabloid media who print exposes on England players in the run up to a world cup, then complain when said player has a poor tournament.
Yes, they are only doing their job, but its obvious they are putting their job before their countries sporting achievements.
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True, but they had the option of waiting a couple of weeks to air it.
Like the tabloid media who print exposes on England players in the run up to a world cup, then complain when said player has a poor tournament.
Yes, they are only doing their job, but its obvious they are putting their job before their countries sporting achievements.
There wouldn't be much point showing the programme afterwards. This week it's news, next week it's history. That's one of the drawbacks of a free press.
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If they wanted to give the world cups to somewhere new then they should have told us 2 years and we wouldn't have bothered.
I hope the FIFA commitee lead Puritan lives from now on because they'll be journos tracking them.
It would be nice to set them up when some of them will be over for the European cup final in may.
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True, but they had the option of waiting a couple of weeks to air it.
Like the tabloid media who print exposes on England players in the run up to a world cup, then complain when said player has a poor tournament.
Yes, they are only doing their job, but its obvious they are putting their job before their countries sporting achievements.
There wouldn't be much point showing the programme afterwards. This week it's news, next week it's history. That's one of the drawbacks of a free press.
Ok. So fuck other peoples 3 years of hard work, not to mention a countries hopes.
I'm a journalist and I want my 5 minutes.
There are times in life, love and politics its just better to keep your big gob shut.
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It isn't 'a country's hopes.' I'm sure more people in Britain don't care who gets the World Cup than do, and sometimes football should remember that everything does not revolve around the game. As if the programme made one iota of difference.
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There are millions in this country who follow football and wanted the world cup hosted here.
There are countless others who don't give a shit about football but would have appreciated the revenue this event would bring in.
The likes of you and I will probably never know whether this was all decided weeks ago, thats true.
But I have to maintain, what these people did was at best disrespectful and at worst destructive.
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I don't think it's disrespectful, nor destructive. It could be argued that if they have a story, they have a duty to broadcast it. If you censor things, for whatever reason apart from national security, you're starting to head down a very murky road.
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Absolutely Dave, I agree. Censorship is wrong.
But you know, especially in a position of power, the repercussions of telling things 'how they are' can have such a negative effect they are best left unsaid.
It all sounds a bit selfish to me, that's all.
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didnt Lord Triesman have to resign in shame after he said other bids were corupt,
then we made groveling appoligies to the other nations, and called the man a twat for saying it.
bet he's sitting with a rye smile now
Wry*
oh rite, furst tyme i ever rote it, soz
Ah, wanky housemate got to the controls. He has just been slapped.
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I'm with Adrian Durham on this one - we ought to pull out of Fifa.
Bollox to them.
Let's host our own 'World Football Championship' every 4 years - starting in 2015.
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There are two words why we won't pull out of FIFA.
Champions League.
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There are two words why we won't pull out of FIFA.
Champions League.
I'm not so sure, could you imagine FIFA telling Mr Sky, Mr Coke and Mr Addidas that Rooney, Drogba, Fabregas et all won't be appearing in the chumps league?
The sponsorship money men will have a final say in matters when it comes down to it.
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(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/L8ton/fifadolls.jpg)
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There are two words why we won't pull out of FIFA.
Champions League.
I'm not so sure, could you imagine FIFA telling Mr Sky, Mr Coke and Mr Addidas that Rooney, Drogba, Fabregas et all won't be appearing in the chumps league?
The sponsorship money men will have a final say in matters when it comes down to it.
We'd be banned from every competition, they'd move abroad.
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We don't need Fifa for European Football as it is UEFA we need.
I can't see us pulling out from Fifa and staying with UEFA. It sound daft.
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Txt from a bluenose: Suprised that Cameron and Prince W didn't revert to Villa type and chuck flares at the FIFA exe when they lost.
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you really are a big twat
And you are an imbecilic scum bag.
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2018 in Russia makes perfect sense to me. A World Cup in Eastern Europe was long overdue.
However, 2022 in Qatar ? That's one that has no footballing merits at all. If FIFA wanted a Middle Eastern host then, Eqypt, Saudi Arabia or even Iran had a better claim from a footballing standpoint. The Aussies should have got 2022
There wouldn't have been this uproar if Blatter had been honest from the start and said that he wanted to follow the success of South Africa (and the anointment of Brazil as 2014 hosts) by taking the World Cup to more new places.
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you really are a big twat
And you are an imbecilic scum bag.
And i like pancakes
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A special section today to look at how the English papers have covered the news that Fifa has awarded the 2018 World Cup to Russia.
The Daily Mirror's front page headline is 'SOLD' as they ask how oil-rich Russia and Qatar could persuade Fifa to give them the World Cup. The Sun go with 'FIXED' while the Daily Star shouts 'WHAT A FIX', the Daily Mail claims 'THEY LIED' and the Daily Express simply says 'HUMILIATED'.
The Times is slightly more reserved with 'End of the world for England', The Independent claim 'England fear foul play after World Cup humiliation' and the Guardian says 'Russia ends England's dream of hosting 2018 World Cup', while the Daily Telegraph believes it is a DISASTER handing the tournament to Russia and a DISGRACE that 2022 will be in Qatar.
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Absolutely Dave, I agree. Censorship is wrong.
But you know, especially in a position of power, the repercussions of telling things 'how they are' can have such a negative effect they are best left unsaid.
It all sounds a bit selfish to me, that's all.
You're contradicting yourself there.
It was far more important to expose the corruption (and remember that one of the accused was one of the only two to vote for England) than it was to win the bidding.
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Well the fact that Qatar will host the 2022 shows that it is a corrupt system for two reasons. Their bid will not have been the strongest in terms of tradition and so as first time bidders, and a tiny footballing nation to have the biggest football show, possibly sporting show, on the planet shows that a nod and a wink helped them.
If they got the World Cup because FIFA want to bring the game to countries that haven't experienced the World Cup, and where the game needs more of a high profile, then why were we encouraged to bid by FIFA. They should have just said that their criteria meant that countries that cannot provide as full a llegacy as 'new' countries then we would have saved time, money, and our humiliation at receiving 1 vote.
Russia may well have had the best bid, but you can't tell me ours was the worst. What possible criteria could they have used to get to that? If we ever want to stage the world Cup then we either need to cosy up to FIFA and play their game (and lets be honest none of us really want us to do that). We are still seen as outsiders within FIFA. We didn't join up until 50 years or so after FIFA was formed and we still look down our noses at them. the other way is for FIFA to open up to more scrutiny and be held accountable for their actions (and in this instance votes).
Neither is likely to happen soon, but I think eventually you'll see us trying to become ingratiated closer into the FIFA family.
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Always wanted to go to Russia.
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Just like anywhere else. Moscow is a big city, and the locals are miserable feckers. Nice girls though. Damned nice.
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In the cold light of day, I'm convinced that England are a fall-back plan for FIFA if it all goes wrong.
In the event that Brazil, Russia or Qatar (the latter two both assessed as high-risk by FIFA themselves) fail to deliver then England could host a World Cup at short notice.
With Wembley, The Emirates in London; Villa Park, City Ground (good enough to host at Euro 96) and Pride Park (staged an England international while Wembley was being rebuilt) in the Midlands, Hillsborough, Elland Road, City of Manchester, Old Trafford and Anfield across the north, and Stadium of Light and St James Park further north that's a dozen venues ready immediately that could host a tournament of this nature.
The only thing I could see being a problem is maybe a shortage of hotel rooms, but that's what supporter camp sites are for. I believe there was one at Great Barr for Euro 96.
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Mr Cameron wowed them
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How? He cut the edges of the cucumber sandwiches that he served?
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I think it would be pretty pathetic if David Cameron got the blame for the failed bid.
Thought he came across well meself.
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He really really impressed them.
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I think it would be pretty pathetic if David Cameron got the blame for the failed bid.
Thought he came across well meself.
Totally. Anyone blaming him is an idiot. This fix was sown up months ago.
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Excellent summary from Simon Jenkins in the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/02/world-cup-british-journalism-wikileaks
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Rumour has it England's World Cup bid was damaged at the last minute when Gazza turned up in Zurich with a KFC and a fishing rod.
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He's not devoid of blame though is he? England didn't win it, we were led to believe that we would get 4 or 5 votes in the first round which is the reason everyone thought we had a chance. So how come after all the "great presentation" we land just two votes? And how come after spending 3 years and £50 odd million quid in the process the English team did not twig it was a stitch up from the start?
Even if it is a stitch up the whole England team including Wills Beckham and Cameron should take some flak for being so gullible.
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Australia got one vote and like England went out in the first round, i feel sorry for those that have invested three years of their lives in the attempt to bring what is now a tarnished competition to their homeland. I really don't give a rats about it i'm over the England team and the year on year crap they serve up, i'm sick of overbloated egoes and paypackets of prem players and their agents. If it wasn't for my inbred love of Aston Villa i could quite happily totally ignore the sport, it has become a corrupt beheamoth that swallows everything that's good. It is totally self serving and is there to make sure those in power stay in power.
Fck the England team, Fck FIFA, UP THE vILLA.
this
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Excellent summary from Simon Jenkins in the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/02/world-cup-british-journalism-wikileaks
I like this comment....
cameron, beckham & windsor are now the diplomatic equivalent of the sugababes.
available at a moments notice to perform for any old despots as long as the price is right & they have a hair & make up budget.
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Excellent summary from Simon Jenkins in the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/02/world-cup-british-journalism-wikileaks
Agreed. That's a great summing up
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I am amazed that there are people out there who still believe that the allocation of this miserable competition is anything other than a totally corrupt proceeding. Just take as an example this Jack Warner character, the Fifa Vice-President, who looked David Beckham in the eye, shook David Cameron’s hand, and threw his arm around Prince William, saying “You’ve got my vote”, then went and voted for one of the others.
This is the bloke who was accused in the Panorama program of ordering tickets for this year’s World Cup Finals worth £54,000 with a view to selling them to touts.
In 2006 he was found guilty of breaching Fifa’s ethics code (there’s a laugh for a start) when his family travel business made £500,000 from selling black-market tickets for the 2006 finals.
When questioned by a BBC reporter he said “No foreigner, particularly a white foreigner, will come to my country and harass me.” In 2007 he said “Nobody in Europe likes England. For Europe likes England. For Europe, England is an irritant.”
The F.A. paid for sending an England team to play a friendly in Port of Spain (he is a special adviser to the Trinidad & Tobago FA) and dispatched David Beckham for dinner and a coaching clinic.
This week the English delegation sucked up to him. Tea with P.M.? No problem. Meet the future King of England? Easily arranged Mr Warner, and then he played them for fools.
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Excellent summary from Simon Jenkins in the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/02/world-cup-british-journalism-wikileaks
Agreed. That's a great summing up
Don't agree with the cynical line he's taken re. Beckham, Cameron and Co.
And, THIS needs to be explored with a fine tooth comb:
So thank goodness for disclosure. Thank goodness for journalism. I am sorry we did not get the World Cup but, had we done so, it would have been mired in claims of dishonesty. In losing, we had the honour of seeing British journalism doing something to clean up a disreputable sport. That is the cup I would prefer to win
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What do Russia and Qatar have in common that England do not?
Well, England has a free press with a tradition of investigative journalism, whilst Russia and Qatar... do not. Seeing as both countries will need to spend billions to create the infrastructure and have a tradition of kickbacks, bribes and pay offs, is it any surprise FIFA went with them? Theres a chance for the committee members to make ludicrous amounts of money in negotiating sub-contractor work, let alone in voting for the countries in the first place, and not have the local media crawling over every bit of money spent to ensure there is no corruption. FIFA committee members probably knew all their dealings would be laid bare and it would lambs to the slaughter. THis way, they can still make their money in the knowledge that the local kleptocracies will keep the media in check.
For the love of the game? Don't make me laugh. FIFA might be the most corrupt organisation in the world living under the delusional pretence of respectability.
I've thrown my copy of FIFA10 in the bin in protest. (not FIFA11 though, not finished playing it yet).
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how come holland/belgium got 4 votes in the first round by members voting for there first choice,
then in the second round when England were out they only polled 2 votes, and the two votes went straight to Russia,
hollland/belgium was never there first choice, they just voted tactically to get England out
its a fix, its there for all to see,
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It's official the Beeb and the Sunday Times fucked it for England! Blatter made a 2 minute speech just before the voting began about the English media!
If I was the FA i would get all members to boycott both organisations, MOTD should not have the contract renewed, the Times should not be allowed to use and photos of FA competitions or any access to the England team!
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Yes, those pesky journalists, exposing corruption. Bastards!
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It's official the Beeb and the Sunday Times fucked it for England! Blatter made a 2 minute speech just before the voting began about the English media!
If FIFA can't handle it's morality being questioned, then that in itself is a strong sign that they are corrupt. The alternative would be us sweeping it under the carpet to play their game and even then I doubt we wouyld have got it anyway.
OK, we're not hosting the World Cup, but I think the moral victory of showing we wouldn't play their dirty little games is important.
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Yes, those pesky journalists, exposing corruption. Bastards!
Couldn't the BEEB put the show out next week,month or year? As far as I can see FIFA is like some secret society if you smear one member you smear them all!
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Thing is if the panorama thing had been aired aftyer the vote it would have appeared as sour grapes nothing more. And let's be honest we all - i think - believe FIFA to be corrupt. Also, you can't have a free press and then decide what we want them to say. We bang on about free specch in this country and use it as a stick to beat certain countries - usually islamic - when their sensibilities are crossed over cartoons, books etc and yet moan when we haven't won a vote on the back of it.
yeah, the journalism hurt our bid but what does that say about FIFA rather than us?
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OK, we're not hosting the World Cup, but I think the moral victory of showing we wouldn't play their dirty little games is important.
...even if the cost was a reported £50 million.
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If FIFA can't handle it's morality being questioned, then that in itself is a strong sign that they are corrupt.
That's a fair point.
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I think we should enter every World Cup and then as a form of protest, perform abysmally, fail miserably and return home before the semi finals.
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It's official the Beeb and the Sunday Times fucked it for England! Blatter made a 2 minute speech just before the voting began about the English media!
If FIFA can't handle it's morality being questioned, then that in itself is a strong sign that they are corrupt. The alternative would be us sweeping it under the carpet to play their game and even then I doubt we wouyld have got it anyway.
OK, we're not hosting the World Cup, but I think the moral victory of showing we wouldn't play their dirty little games is important.
If I were a news editor right now I'd be unleashing my darkest hoards of investigative journo's at every fifa member and throw as much shit at them as possible.
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OK, we're not hosting the World Cup, but I think the moral victory of showing we wouldn't play their dirty little games is important.
...even if the cost was a reported £50 million.
In a word, yes.
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OK, we're not hosting the World Cup, but I think the moral victory of showing we wouldn't play their dirty little games is important.
...even if the cost was a reported £50 million.
In a word, yes.
I think Darth Villa's idea above might be cheaper.
Who's picking up that £50 million tab, by the way?
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Thing is if the panorama thing had been aired aftyer the vote it would have appeared as sour grapes nothing more. And let's be honest we all - i think - believe FIFA to be corrupt. Also, you can't have a free press and then decide what we want them to say. We bang on about free specch in this country and use it as a stick to beat certain countries - usually islamic - when their sensibilities are crossed over cartoons, books etc and yet moan when we haven't won a vote on the back of it.
yeah, the journalism hurt our bid but what does that say about FIFA rather than us?
Good points! Like you say we can't have free speech only when it suits, the journalists showed up FIFA to be corrupt and we can take the moral high ground but that hasn't/won't put the worlds best players in stadiums around in England in 2018.
Darth Villa: I agree the press should go all out now we've got nothing to lose!
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FIFA and the host selection in particular are corrupt as fuck, everyone knew that prior to us entering the bid process. Jack Warner hasn't recently become dodgy, he's been that way for years and years.
It's a bit pointless us (ie the establishment) getting indignant about it now, when we knew exactly what it was going to be like when we entered the bid process. If we felt that strongly about it, we should never have got involved.
It is one thing to suggest there is moral high ground to be had by not playing dirty games, but surely the highest ground would have been had by not getting involved in it in the first place.
Moving away from that, though, there's also to consider the fact that until quite recently the bid itself was a disaster which was allowed to drift for a long time, before even the Lord Triesman kerfuffle. That probably didn't help, either.
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If I were a news editor right now I'd be unleashing my darkest hoards of investigative journo's at every fifa member and throw as much shit at them as possible.
I'm sure that will happen.
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Apparently Qatar are going to build all their new stadiums in a country the size of Manchester and then give the stadiums to Africa, that's where we've been going wrong all these years, doing famine appeals for food and water, what they really need is an 80,000 all seater with air-conditioning.
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That Jack Warner is somewhat a racist, so not the best person to have on a judging panel.
When he was questioned in 2006, he said
'I won't be questioned by foreigners, particularly white foreigners.'
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That Jack Warner is somewhat a racist
He's never been the same since he left Dixon of Dock Green
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Martin Samuel in The Mail
The World Cup is a competition that is, essentially, forged in corruption, which is why it goes to countries that are essentially corrupt. Countries that will over-ride their tax system, their money-laundering laws and, in the case of South Africa, even ride roughshod over their constitution. It is almost amusing that the lickspittle leader of England's bid, Andy Anson, now rails at the duplicity of FIFA executive committee members, having spent the last year selling reality down the river by by calling any criticism of football's governing body unpatriotic. Now, reading between the lines, the England 2018 message is that the FIFA ExCo is populated by chisellers, liars and, quite possibly, crooks. We know, thanks. This is what we have been trying to tell you.
The first thing that should happen after football's black Thursday is that FIFA's technical committee should be disbanded. No more whizzing around cities like The Jetsons, all traffic lights switched to green. No more five-star hotels and lavish receptions. The technical assessment is irrelevant. What works is unimportant. The two worst, most problematic technical bids will host the World Cup in 2018 and 2022. Poor infrastructure, fabulous expense, potentially fatal heat, crazy overcrowding, the two World Cups after next promise them all.
We now know what matters to FIFA's decision-makers, and what clearly does not matter is you, the supporter, your ease, your experience. Qatar can air-condition its stadiums as much as it likes. It can chill them like a cool box for a summer picnic by the sea. The moment you step outside that artificial atmosphere, the sun will be beating down at an average daily temperature of 106 degrees. There is so much that is wrong about Qatari success it is hard to know where to start.
So forget England's humiliation for a moment and consider this: up against Qatar for 2022, Australia got one vote. They were the only country that proved less popular than England, eliminated at the first stage in their bidding process. The country that hosted the greatest Olympics ever, in Sydney in 2000; a country that is defined by its love for sport and its prowess against all odds. This is the country that has missed out, so that the World Cup can be played in a state with a population of 1.7million that has never qualified for the tournament.
There are 38 cities in Qatar but roughly two-thirds of the population live in just one, Doha, the capital. The bid reflects this. There are stadiums to be upgraded in Al-Khor, Doha, Al Wakrah, Al Rayyan and Doha, plus stadiums to be built in Lusail, Doha, Ash Shamal, Doha, Umm Salal, Doha and Doha. Basically, Qatar is one big suburb of Doha. Lusail, where an 86,000-capacity stadium will be built, is 10 miles away, as is Umm Salal. Al Khor, Al Wakrah and Umm Salal all have populations of approximately 31,000, making them the same size as Ecclesfield in Sheffield. The official population of Ash Shamal is given as 5,400, less than half the size of Wombourne, Staffordshire. Ash Shamal is getting a stadium with a capacity of 45,330.
This is what the members of FIFA's ExCo voted for, with some specious context of legacy. In fact, the most telling figures are nothing to do with football at all, but can be found in something called the Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders. Its purpose is self-explanatory. The United Kingdom's PFI ranking is 19, Australia is 18, Holland's journalists were the most free of any bidding country, ranked third. Qatar are 120th, Russia 20 places behind. FIFA have given their two World Cups to the countries in which the press is most muzzled, most powerless, most murdered - certainly in Russia - and least able to question their masters.
From afar, Vladimir Putin, the Prime Minister of Russia, sent a short message in which he criticised media scrutiny of FIFA activity, so the ExCo boys know they are safe in Moscow. Carry on diddling. Move along, folks, there is nothing to see here. If this is what had to happen to bring the World Cup to England, then we should want no part of it, ever.
If having outstanding facilities and passion for the game is not enough, so be it. This country has given too much to football - the rules for a start - to have to suffer humiliation at the hands of a cabal of charlatans. I am not a natural patriot, but get one thing straight: England could stop playing football for 1,000 years starting tomorrow and at the end of that time would still have contributed more to the game than Qatar. And the jury's out on Russia.
What sticks in the throat is that we knew all this, and still allowed ourselves to get sucked in. The correct response when meeting Jack Warner, the duplicitous, odious FIFA vice-president who has been allowed to rule the world from Trinidad and Tobago, is to summon the fraud squad, not shake him by the hand.
All you need to know about the men who made this decision is that FIFA requested, as a condition if England had mounted a successful bid, exclusion from a range of UK laws including one governing Banks and Foreign Exchange Operations. FIFA had asked for 'the unrestricted import and export of all foreign currencies to and from the UK' and, worse, they got it. So, had England hosted the World Cup, FIFA executives were free to move around with sacks of unexplained cash, exempt from the inquisition of customs officers. Is it only me that is beginning to feel the need for a shower? These are the men we have spent several years trying to impress. We creep, we crawl, we kow-tow, prostrating ourselves at the feet of crummy, puffed-up overlords. Our friends from FIFA ExCo, or the brotherhood as the utterly discredited Anson called them, in one of his many attempts to offer up press freedom as if it were just another two-bob friendly in Thailand.
Ultimately, good stadiums do not matter, good supporters do not matter, cost-effectiveness in a global recession does not matter, racism does not matter, history does not matter, the fans do not matter. And legacy doesn't matter. Not really. Don't kid yourselves on that one, please, the fig-leaf of altruism FIFA ExCo members always use to hide their naked greed. What legacy is there for South Africa when after one month of football costing billions, 50 per cent of the population remains below the poverty line?
Eastern Europe is yet to host a World Cup and that imbalance has been redressed: but think of the timing. Russia, a country that had to ban wheat exports for fear of famine this winter, is now to build nine football stadiums and a surrounding infrastructure from scratch. What are the locals to do with a new concrete bowl in Yekaterinburg? Eat it?
We sent the Three Lions - David Beckham, David Cameron and Prince William - to Zurich but we may as well have sent the Three Stooges. The bid was doomed from the start because FIFA does not like the power and wealth of the English club game, and hates being questioned or criticised when it makes another self-serving or toothless decision.
The shame for English football is not that the bid was lost but that it was lost as we tried to compete on their terms. We played FIFA's game; that horrible, schmoozing, lobbying, crawling, venal game, that we thought would grease us through the door. And it still wasn't enough.
So while we might feel deflated this morning, we'll get over it. And we are wiser and we know things now. So we'll continue to say exactly what we think about FIFA in the knowledge that we are getting under their skin. They hate it so much that they have fled to Nizhny Novograd and Ash Shamal to avoid us. So, for that at least, be proud.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1335212/Martin-Samuel-FIFA-rotten-core-England-better-it.html#ixzz172tfKcrv
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I really don't like finding myself agreeing with things in the Daily Mail.
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i have seen people criticise the media for ruining our bid, and that is most certainly the case, especially when you hear platini mention it was from the british press over the years having the audacity to make negative comments about fifa that could have a negative effect on our bid...
now dont get me wrong, i am no fan of the tabloid british press... they are scum, and are not highlighting fifas corruption for the good of the game, however, fifas corruption does need highlighting...
fifa obviously dont want that happening, as their cash cow will end, and they might then have to start running the game properly, without the backhanders...
to not award the best bid for a world cup with stadium, transport, accomodation, etc, all in place already to hold the tournament tomorrow, just because the media have made others aware of their corruption, is an absolute disgrace, and merely adds credence to the media highlighting their corruption...
they are punishing us, for them getting caught... and laughing at us while they do it...
football at the very top, stinks to high heaven... and the only people we can blame for that, are those at the top...
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I never thought the day would come when I would say.........I agree with just about everything in that column from the Daily Mail.
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I am amazed that there are people out there who still believe that the allocation of this miserable competition is anything other than a totally corrupt proceeding. Just take as an example this Jack Warner character, the Fifa Vice-President, who looked David Beckham in the eye, shook David Cameron’s hand, and threw his arm around Prince William, saying “You’ve got my vote”, then went and voted for one of the others.
this is jack warner....
(http://sportdw.blogs...rner-story.html)
he is a horrid horrid little man...
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I really don't like finding myself agreeing with things in the Daily Mail.
Particularly Martin Samuel. Though the `Three Lions' epithet will have my bum clenched for a bit
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I need a shower having just nodded in agreement to the whole of an article in the Daily Hate.
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I am amazed that there are people out there who still believe that the allocation of this miserable competition is anything other than a totally corrupt proceeding. Just take as an example this Jack Warner character, the Fifa Vice-President, who looked David Beckham in the eye, shook David Cameron’s hand, and threw his arm around Prince William, saying “You’ve got my vote”, then went and voted for one of the others.
this is jack warner....
(http://sportdw.blogs...rner-story.html)
he is a horrid horrid little man...
what a cnut... that man sums up FIFA to me
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Though the `Three Lions' epithet will have my bum clenched for a bit
I am recovering from a bout of explosive diarrhoea, and that reference has nearly sent me back to ride the porcelain bus.
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Though the `Three Lions' epithet will have my bum clenched for a bit
I am recovering from a bout of explosive diarrhoea, and that reference has nearly sent me back to ride the porcelain bus.
And he was doing so well. It was like your missus shouting `Dean Gaffney!' at the moment of climax
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I hope this will bring an end to all the 39th game bollocks, apart from all the other reasons not to do it, we shouldn't be giving publicity and income to anyone else now.
Cancel all friendlies, re-start the Home Internationals and pull the draw bridge up, we could ask Cameroon as they did vote for us apparently.
I take it someone has actually asked Geoff Thompson if he did vote for England.
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Jack Warner's the kind of man who makes you wish smallpox was still around.
As for Blatter, there are no words to describe him anymore, him and the whole bloody organisation.
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Cancel all friendlies, re-start the Home Internationals and pull the draw bridge up, we could ask Cameroon as they did vote for us apparently.
Cameroon was the other vote was it?
Let's have a commonwealth cup or an Empire cup without Trinidad and Tobago that will show FIFA we mean business.
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The most sickening thing, and there's a lot of competition, is that Jack Warner doesn't even have to pretend he isn't corrupt anymore.
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Though the `Three Lions' epithet will have my bum clenched for a bit
I am recovering from a bout of explosive diarrhoea, and that reference has nearly sent me back to ride the porcelain bus.
And he was doing so well. It was like your missus shouting `Dean Gaffney!' at the moment of climax
Aye, you've been there as well. BE, have a word, nice gal 'n all but she can be off putting when the vinegar strokes are starting. Cheers mate. Does a great fry-up after though, fair play.
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i thought the outcry would start subsiding, but the more you think about it, the worked up you get,
not because we lost out to Russia, but because we raised one vote for a bid that was very strong.
it really is corrupt from top to bottom, i dont know what if anything we can do about it, but the whole thing stinks ,
the fact that 2 voters for Holland switched there votes to Russia as soon as England went out is proof enough that the whole thing was rigged from the start.
before yesterday i honestly thought that the people who banged on about FIFA hating us were all a bit paranoid, and that it was a little englander kind of statement,
after yesterday, i am sure they were right,
i still cant believe that the FIFA mambers gerrymandered the voting process so we got knocked out first, it just beggars belief
i wasnt even that bothered untill yesterday about the whole thing,
but i just cant stand the blatant cheating that goes on, totaly pissed of with the whole thing.
saddest thing is, i dont think anything will change,
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saddest thing is, i dont think anything will change,
That's the main problem - they are untouchable and only answerable to themselves.
The only way I can see them being concerned is if the FA make formal complaints, but then as they don't want to be questioned, will the FA do that?
How about a bycott of all FIFA merchandise and events. No more compuet games and the supporters associations start a campaign to persuade fans not to travel to Brazil?
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Agree with that completely "john e".
In fact, I'm less worked up about 2018 than I am 2022. I mean really, Qatar?
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At least we wont have to endure countless thousands of corporate tw@ts on yet another jolly to old trafford or nuwembly! This world cup will mean far more to the Russian people than it would have to the English and it will leave more tickets for the real England fans prepared to make the journey.
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Can john e and John M please keep some distance between their postings. ;)
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At least we wont have to endure countless thousands of corporate tw@ts on yet another jolly to old trafford or nuwembly! This world cup will mean far more to the Russian people than it would have to the English and it will leave more tickets for the real England fans prepared to make the journey.
Don't you believe it. The Russian local won't be able to afford the tickets and the Western corporates will still be there.
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I really hope Russia can do something about the Racism in their game between now and then.
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Agree with that completely "john e".
In fact, I'm less worked up about 2018 than I am 2022. I mean really, Qatar?
Like it couldn't get any worse, the US media prounounce Qatar as 'Cutter'.
Lovely.
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People don't like us as a nation as we're arrogant.
The technical bids, the presentation etc are all well and good, the bottom line is that the other bids weren't bad enough to fail and therefore the executives voted for who they wanted. We've held the thing before whilst many countries, including Russia, haven't.
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But in absolutely no where near the numbers that they would have been if it were held here.
I reckon the world cup will be held back in Scandinavia and in China, India/Pakistan, Australia, again in the middle east and will return to the US ahead of a successful UK bid.
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At least we wont have to endure countless thousands of corporate tw@ts on yet another jolly to old trafford or nuwembly! This world cup will mean far more to the Russian people than it would have to the English and it will leave more tickets for the real England fans prepared to make the journey.
theres no country in the world that supports its sports teams like we do,
you only have to look at the Cricket last night when we took those early wickets, there was so many English supporters there it looked more like a home match,
same can be said of Rugby and football.
i heard yesterday that the average attendance for the Russian 1st div, was 12000, so not the biggest hotbed of football for such a big population.
not that i think it should have gone to us because we have more supporters, but your point that it will mean more to them as a nation is wrong,
its bad enough here when we arnt hosting it, it would be super OTT if we had got it
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People don't like us as a nation as we're arrogant.
Important to remember this. We are some way below Germany in the league table of national popularity
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People don't like us as a nation as we're arrogant.
The technical bids, the presentation etc are all well and good, the bottom line is that the other bids weren't bad enough to fail and therefore the executives voted for who they wanted. We've held the thing before whilst many countries, including Russia, haven't.
although i agree with your points, the vote was stilll rigged to get us out first,
if we had known that was the intention from the start, we could have saved a lot of money and effort
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People don't like us as a nation as we're arrogant.
Speaking as an outsider, I think that a lot of the reason why other countries (and I suppose I can only speak for Ireland on this) like to see, say, England fail at the world cup is because of the "This is our year" type of hyperbole that the press constantly churn out on the run up to such events.
Personally, I think it's not english people per se that are arrogant, it's more the press.
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Personally, I think it's not english people per se that are arrogant, it's more the press.
I am going to respond in tit-for-tat fashion by alleging that the Irish talk a load of shit
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It always makes me want to gag when certain sectors of the media cack on about our "best league in the world", when actually, it is nothing of the sort.
It is definitely the best marketed league in the world, but nothing like the best league. Not in terms of competitiveness or the players in it. Which of the very best players in the world play in our league? People like Ronaldo go from Man United to Real Madrid, not the other way around.
Fucked national team, clubs in debt, pathetic world cup bids, falling attendances, absurd ticket prices, wages spiralling out of control ..... our game is headed for a big fall pretty soon, and I can't help thinking the sooner the better, as what comes out of it at the other end might actually be much better than what we have now.
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I am going to respond in tit-for-tat fashion by alleging that the Irish talk a load of shit
Haha, I knew you'd pick up on that!
Of course I didn't mean your place of work, Mr. Green, sir, more the newspapers really.
Although you're spot on with the shit talking allegation.
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The idea that our bid didn't play the corruption game isn't even accurate. We just aren't very good at it.
But what angers me is the sham of this 2-for-1 bidding process. Designed to create a double-bubble of bribes and slide in *Qatar* as a world cup host with the minimum of scrutiny.
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I wonder how much Qatar had to cough up?
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We ain't whiter than white, but Fifa do seem to have it in for English Football. With the comparative entries, only Spain-Portugal had an equivalent all round bid. This was known weeks ago by the Russians and Putin bloody knew it too.
As for Qatar. My cousin lives there. It's a bloody wasteland with one stadium. Absolute joke.
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Bollocks to bribery, blackmail is much cheaper. Rohypnol, a blood-smeared motel bedroom, a ride in a blacked-out van... cheaper than two dozen Mulberry handbags
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I wonder how much Qatar had to cough up?
Very cynical deej.
Didn't you hear Blatter wax lyrical on about fair play (and a myriad of other topics) yesterday? The man is a pioneer, pushing football into uncharted territories for the good of the game.
Altruism is his motive. Well that and education. Did you hear him tell the world that Russia was a continent too at the presentation.
Really don't know what everyone is moaning about. He gave the English delegation a lovely certificate for their efforts. Best £15 million ever spent, that.
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The idea that our bid didn't play the corruption game isn't even accurate. We just aren't very good at it.
Not good at bidding or not good at corruption?
I think this country can be as corrupt as any if it really wanted to, it didn't get to where it is to date without a bit of corruption along the way.
In the case of the bidding...as polished as we've been told it was perceived it obviously didn't hit the mark. A male model and two old Etonians as figure heads. We might have got a bit further if we actually had people on side who actually new what the fuck they were doing.
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Instead of David Beckham we should have had Joey Barton going round with a cigar in his mouth "asking" for votes.
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I wonder how much Qatar had to cough up?
Very cynical deej.
There's a pun in there screaming to get out.
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I wonder how much Qatar had to cough up?
It would have been enough not to be sniffed at.
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I wonder how much Qatar had to cough up?
Very cynical deej.
There's a pun in there screaming to get out.
They must have coughed up a load of Doha
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They must have coughed up a load of Doha
Yup. Lot sand lots.
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It was a well oiled bid, I suppose.
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I listened to the England presentation on Radio 5 yesterday morning and the following couple of hours, hosted by Victoria Derbyshire was some of the worst radio I've heard in a long time. People claiming to be "in tears" and "so emotional" after the presentation. That Elbow tune constantly played and hyperbole that made the start of X-Factor look understated.
At one point they went to Peter Allen who was in Zurich, he immediately played it all down and reminded everyone of the realistic chances of the England bid given the way FIFA work. Derbyshire was agahst that Allen didn't join in her flag waving sickly schtick and at one point said "stuff Peter Allen". Never mind Panorama, the Beeb should be held to account for employing dippy bints like Derbyshire when they should be employing journalists and broadcasters.
I would loved to have seen her face after Sepp said Russia.
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Personally, I think it's not english people per se that are arrogant, it's more the press.
I am going to respond in tit-for-tat fashion by alleging that the Irish talk a load of shit
Do you mean "useless gobshites"?
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The thing that irrritated me was the comment that FIFA wanted to give the tournament to 'New Countries" who have not hosted previously.
So why ask (allow) us to spend Millions and three years creating the presentation!?
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Apparently Qatar are going to build all their new stadiums in a country the size of Manchester and then give the stadiums to Africa, that's where we've been going wrong all these years, doing famine appeals for food and water, what they really need is an 80,000 all seater with air-conditioning.
Yes that is what they really need. ::) :'( Qatar is not a country in fact not even a City by world standards. A pointless place on this earth full of inbred racists!
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The thing that irrritated me was the comment that FIFA wanted to give the tournament to 'New Countries" who have not hosted previously.
So why ask (allow) us to spend Millions and three years creating the presentation!?
Yes I agree we should be refunded.
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Will the teams who qualify be playing on plastic pitches in sub zero temperatures in Russia then suffering of heat exhaustion in the desert?
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It always makes me want to gag when certain sectors of the media cack on about our "best league in the world", when actually, it is nothing of the sort.
It is definitely the best marketed league in the world, but nothing like the best league. Not in terms of competitiveness or the players in it. Which of the very best players in the world play in our league? People like Ronaldo go from Man United to Real Madrid, not the other way around.
Fucked national team, clubs in debt, pathetic world cup bids, falling attendances, absurd ticket prices, wages spiralling out of control ..... our game is headed for a big fall pretty soon, and I can't help thinking the sooner the better, as what comes out of it at the other end might actually be much better than what we have now.
Agreed. A big part fo the problem is that somehow they convince the masses to believe that bollocks. Like our shit doesn't stink. I live in Toronto, and here the Toronto Maple Leafs (ice hockey) are the same as the English national team. They last won the Holy Grail (Stanley Cup) in 1967, yet honest to God, every year they will have you believe this is the year. The arrogance that spews from the organization, and their blinded fans is obnoxious at best. Being somewhat of an outsider now I see a lot the same with English football, and English football fans. We're not humble, and the little Englander mentality, and the perception that we are not tolerant of "Johnny Foreigner" doesn't go down well when it comes to being part of the global community.
Do I think FIFA is corrupt? Yes, Sepp Blatter is repulsive, and you know back handers take place all the time. I just think as a nation, if we are ever to get major football tournaments like the World Cup we have to become a lot more humble and accepting of our place in football. Our national game is in the shitter. I said just after the World Cup that France would bounce back far quicker than England because they got rid of the twat in charge, and already had a solid system in place to develop kids. Until as a nation we start to develop our game from the grass roots like Spain did, and realize that the glitz and glamour of our domestic is really a complete con, it will always be case of painting over rotting wood.
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Qatar is not a country in fact not even a City by world standards. A pointless place on this earth full of inbred racists!
Bit like holding in on the IOM then?
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Until as a nation we start to develop our game from the grass roots like Spain did, and realize that the glitz and glamour of our domestic is really a complete con, it will always be case of painting over rotting wood.
Bullseye!
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One day on I still cannot believe that Qatar has been given the 2022 WC.
Surely the rest of the world's FAs should stand and be counted and say NO. FIFA rated their bid as "high risk" and then gave it to them. I would like England to start the ball rolling and I really dont care if we get banned from this and that. Time to make a stand. I can see plenty of other FAs who would join the boycott.
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The thing that irrritated me was the comment that FIFA wanted to give the tournament to 'New Countries" who have not hosted previously.
So why ask (allow) us to spend Millions and three years creating the presentation!?
Yes I agree we should be refunded.
Yes, very good....
The point is simply, that if FIFA have certain criteria for selection of hosts for the next World Cup - announce it early and welcome bids from appropriate Countries. And those Countries only.
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Yes, those pesky journalists, exposing corruption. Bastards!
Couldn't the BEEB put the show out next week,month or year? As far as I can see FIFA is like some secret society if you smear one member you smear them all!
You say it like its a good thing.
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The thing that irrritated me was the comment that FIFA wanted to give the tournament to 'New Countries" who have not hosted previously.
So why ask (allow) us to spend Millions and three years creating the presentation!?
Yes I agree we should be refunded.
Yes, very good....
The point is simply, that if FIFA have certain criteria for selection of hosts for the next World Cup - announce it early and welcome bids from appropriate Countries. And those Countries only.
This suitcase... used notes... small denominations, unmarked and non-sequential
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One day on I still cannot believe that Qatar has been given the 2022 WC.
Surely the rest of the world's FAs should stand and be counted and say NO. FIFA rated their bid as "high risk" and then gave it to them. I would like England to start the ball rolling and I really dont care if we get banned from this and that. Time to make a stand. I can see plenty of other FAs who would join the boycott.
You can sort of see the argument for Russia as they have an emerging domestic league and that part of the world has never had a World Cup. OK, other than that the other bids were stronger, but I'm willing to accept the possibility that they could genuinely add greater weight top Russia's claims due to that.
As for Qatar we simply MUST be told why as I can't see a single logical reason.
I wonder what the clubs will have to say about their star assets being asked to play in that sort of heat?
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One day on I still cannot believe that Qatar has been given the 2022 WC.
Surely the rest of the world's FAs should stand and be counted and say NO. FIFA rated their bid as "high risk" and then gave it to them. I would like England to start the ball rolling and I really dont care if we get banned from this and that. Time to make a stand. I can see plenty of other FAs who would join the boycott.
You can sort of see the argument for Russia as they have an emerging domestic league and that part of the world has never had a World Cup. OK, other than that the other bids were stronger, but I'm willing to accept the possibility that they could genuinely add greater weight top Russia's claims due to that.
As for Qatar we simply MUST be told why as I can't see a single logical reason.
I wonder what the clubs will have to say about their star assets being asked to play in that sort of heat?
Exactly, Russia had a case - big country, never had it before etc etc etc.
But why Qatar. Carbon neutral - my arse!!! Imagine the amount of concrete needed to build just about everything. Surely the EU with all its targets on C02 should say something.
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People don't like us as a nation as we're arrogant.
Speaking as an outsider, I think that a lot of the reason why other countries (and I suppose I can only speak for Ireland on this) like to see, say, England fail at the world cup is because of the "This is our year" type of hyperbole that the press constantly churn out on the run up to such events.
Personally, I think it's not english people per se that are arrogant, it's more the press.
It always makes me want to gag when certain sectors of the media cack on about our "best league in the world", when actually, it is nothing of the sort.
It is definitely the best marketed league in the world, but nothing like the best league. Not in terms of competitiveness or the players in it. Which of the very best players in the world play in our league? People like Ronaldo go from Man United to Real Madrid, not the other way around.
Fucked national team, clubs in debt, pathetic world cup bids, falling attendances, absurd ticket prices, wages spiralling out of control ..... our game is headed for a big fall pretty soon, and I can't help thinking the sooner the better, as what comes out of it at the other end might actually be much better than what we have now.
Two good posts there. Agree with both.
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Two good posts there. Agree with both.
Says the Scot. Good luck with the Commonwealth Games
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I hadn't paid attention to the news yesterday. Russia and Qatar? Fuck a doodle doo.
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- announce it early and welcome bids from appropriate Countries. And those Countries only.
What? FIFA officials would miss out on junkets to the other bidding countries, numerous brown paper bags, being grovelled to by world leaders and probably lots of sneaky free sex with high-class prostitutes.
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Why England lost 2018 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/clips/p00cj6m5/spout_why_england_lost_2018/)
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I hadn't paid attention to the news yesterday. Russia and Qatar? Fuck a doodle doo.
Russia and Qatar I can just about understand, but why the hell they gave the 2026 tournament to fuck a doodle doo, is beyond me.
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According to Martin Samuel today, some facts about the 2022 World Cup in Qatar:
- The capital, Doha, will have six venues which host World Cup matches
- Two of the cities that will host matches are less than ten miles from Doha
- One city (can't recall the name of it) has a population of 5300, which is half the size of Wombourne. It will have a stadium that holds 43000+
- The ambient temperature of Qatar in summer is usually 40 degrees or above
- The population of Qatar is 1.7 million people
So for all Blatter's claims of breaking new territories, it appears World Cup 2022 will be hosted in a shoebox that's being baked in an oven. Cheers Sepp. It's certainly new territory, but then again so is Venus.
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40 degrees or over indeed. More like 50 degrees.
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I was shocked when Blatter opened the envelope and said, "Qatar." I was expecting him to say, "Where's the money?"
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40 degrees or over indeed. More like 50 degrees.
I know it would fry my kidneys what with all the pasty flesh I've accrued in the West Midlands, so ten degrees is neither here nor there to me!
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It is annoying for us, but it must be particularly galling for everyone else in the 2022 running to lose to Qatar. Surely the most ludicrous decision FIFA have ever made.
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It is annoying for us, but it must be particularly galling for everyone else in the 2022 running to lose to Qatar. Surely the most ludicrous decision FIFA have ever made.
I feel really sorry for the Aussies, and during an Ashes series that's a real eye-opener.
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40 degrees or over indeed. More like 50 degrees.
I know it would fry my kidneys what with all the pasty flesh I've accrued in the West Midlands, so ten degrees is neither here nor there to me!
And it's not just the heat. The humidity is an absolute killer. Obviously, all games would be played indoors, but what about the build-ups to games, where fans want to hang around and get pissed in the open air? That ain't gonna work when it's 52 degrees centigrade and 95 percent humidity, with the local constabulary getting all hitty at the first sign of inebriation. But, of course, you'll be looking at around ten or twelve quid a pint at least by 2022, so you won't be getting slaughtered too often. Camping will be out of the question, as it'll be too hot. It'll be hotels all the way - and they won't be cheap. Fans who can afford to go and want to stay the duration will spend a whole month indoors.
Then there's the games. Cameras lingering upon Brazilian babes in skimpy tops and hotpants in the crowd? She'll be arrested at the first flash of a bare upper thigh. Caught flicking the Vs at the Germans? You'll be slung in the cells for that highly offensive gesture. And how do you think your average brainless England fan and EDL member is going to get on with the local muslim population? Well, it's going to be interesting finding out.
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Its sort of ironic that FIFA response to allegations of corruption is to award the next 2 world cups to Russia and Qatar> If our FA had any gumption they would form a break away alliance with all the countries that are being sidelined by them,
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One day on I still cannot believe that Qatar has been given the 2022 WC.
Surely the rest of the world's FAs should stand and be counted and say NO. FIFA rated their bid as "high risk" and then gave it to them. I would like England to start the ball rolling and I really dont care if we get banned from this and that. Time to make a stand. I can see plenty of other FAs who would join the boycott.
I'm with you on this. Spain/Portugal put up just as good a bid as us (maybe better) and I can even see some merits in the Russia bid so I'm not too annoyed that we lost 2018.
BUT QATAR!! My list of concerns off the top of my head:
1. It's 50 odd degrees in the day. Okay so many of the matches will be at night but what will the fans do in the day?
2. Not drink. It's a dry state as far as I am aware.
3. Unless you drink in one of the expensive 4-star hotels. Not great for the average fan.
4. Maybe they could visit some of the many sights... Ummm.
5. Where are the stadiums? What will happen to them afterwards?
6. What is the population of Qatar (even the middle east), it's hardly an untapped reserve of kids that can start playing the sport (Australia would have been good for this)
7. Extending point 5 - I'd like to think that FIFA would/should consider the carbon footprint of hosting the WC. Just building the required stadiums is a joke, plus the infrastructure etc. Air conditioning everywhere... They've already forced Brazil to chop down the equivalent size of a small country in the Amazon to get a motorway to one of the chosen venues.
I'm sure you guys can think of more.
It's insane. It's as if the enjoyment factor for the fans is their last consideration. They can't even claim that it will spread the game to a new population (USA 94) as hardly anyone lives there!
If I was an editor I would be instructing my best research journalist to dig up every bit of dirt that I could on FIFA. Collectively the US, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgium could share the pleasure of releasing the news so they could not persecute any single nation.
Grrrrrr.
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stole this off some comments on a Guardian article. Provides the numbers to a lot of points raised elsewhere. Note it was written before the announcement.
It would be an hilarious exposé of FIFA corruption were Qatar to host the World Cup. A few notable features of the bid:
- A host country the size of Yorkshire with the population of greater Leeds, some of its "host cities" inhabited by as few as 10,000 people.
- Not just 40 degrees, 45-50 degree daytime temperatures during the cup. That is scary hot.
- Definitely no cold brewskies in the fan zone with blanket alcohol bans.
- Systematic discrimination against women
- Exploitation of foreign workers by the lazy locals
- Only one existing stadium anywhere that's near suitable for international football. Somehow they will renovate it and build another 11 for an average of less than $300m each, about half the amount other bidders quote to build their stadiums.
- One single, solitary airport.
- Nil public transport whatsoever.
- A "carbon neutral" stadium air conditioning system that hasn't even been invented yet, let alone put to use in any football stadium anywhere in the world. But who would doubt that the Qataris would be capable of inventing it, given their long proud history of engineering innovation?
One must admire Qatar's chutzpah for taking it this far - but surely Bin Hamman must announce any day now that "Qatar 2022" is a big joke.
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stole this off some comments on a Guardian article. Provides the numbers to a lot of points raised elsewhere. Note it was written before the announcement.
It would be an hilarious exposé of FIFA corruption were Qatar to host the World Cup. A few notable features of the bid:
- A host country the size of Yorkshire with the population of greater Leeds, some of its "host cities" inhabited by as few as 10,000 people.
- Not just 40 degrees, 45-50 degree daytime temperatures during the cup. That is scary hot.
- Definitely no cold brewskies in the fan zone with blanket alcohol bans.
- Systematic discrimination against women
- Exploitation of foreign workers by the lazy locals
- Only one existing stadium anywhere that's near suitable for international football. Somehow they will renovate it and build another 11 for an average of less than $300m each, about half the amount other bidders quote to build their stadiums.
- One single, solitary airport.
- Nil public transport whatsoever.
- A "carbon neutral" stadium air conditioning system that hasn't even been invented yet, let alone put to use in any football stadium anywhere in the world. But who would doubt that the Qataris would be capable of inventing it, given their long proud history of engineering innovation?
One must admire Qatar's chutzpah for taking it this far - but surely Bin Hamman must announce any day now that "Qatar 2022" is a big joke.
Are they still talking about Yorkshire here? ;)
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I know Qatar a little bit. My brother lives there and works in the region. His reason for living in Doha (main city but more of a concrete hamlet) is convenience to get about as he is a Journalist for Gulf Times. A travel writer so he and his family spend most of their time out of the Country. I have been there a number of times over the last few years.
Choosing Qatar is the most insane decision ever. The place is a shit hole. There are no places of historical interest. There are no places of modern interest. There is nothing to do no where to go. No one plays sports or at least the Qatari's don't. They are all on fat welfare payments from their State and unfit and unhealthy to do anything. Their slaves ( and believe me they are treated like slaves mostly from the sub-continent) do all the work and their football teams are full of washed out has been African players who have been granted temporary Qatari status whilst they can play.
The Qatari's are an obnoxious race arrogant, moody bastards and as I said earlier all inbred. They really are an unfit nation, an unfit land and wholly inappropriate place to stage the finals of the greatest game that millions play, billions watch and we all love.
I hate Australians for being good at all sports (more envy really) but I would have loved it if they had been given the 22 tournament.
Blatter is doing a Ecclestone and treating Football like F1. Sorry no… F1 is a specialist event where only a privileged few can take part however millions watch. Football is peoples game. Therefore I would rather it went to India or China where people can take part rather than being sold to the filth!
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I was once on a flight from Doha to Dubai with Qatar Airways. The flight was packed, and all seats were taken. A Qatari national woman got on and demanded to have her seat changed. She marched down the aisle and pointed to the seat she wanted, ordering the non-Qatari man sitting there to get up and move for her. It turned out this chap had already been asked to vacate his seat by a Qatari, because he would have been sitting next to a Qatari woman, who refused to sit next to a man outside of her family.
The poor bloke didn't know what to do. The stewardesses got involved and kindly asked the woman to take her original seat because we were due to take off. She refused, loudly, and screamed in English that the flight would be going nowhere unless this bloke moved for her, because the airline was Qatari, she was Qatari and he wasn't. She got her way.
I wonder what she'll think when tens of thousands of pissed English, Dutch, Germans, Russians, etc. come streaming through Doha airport? Both the Qataris and the world's football fans will get a rude awakening. The corporates will love it, though.
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Just heard on the BEEB that Franz Beckenbauer (?sp) is on the FIFA executive committee and he has suggested that, because of the heat, the 2022 tournament could be held in January or February when the average temperature is a more comfortable 25C!! Can just see all the prem managers agreeing to lose all their international players in the middle of the domestic season!
This lot really do beggar belief.
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No problem with Russia getting the WC2018, in fact in some ways i agree with it going to "new" areas.
What i have got a problem with is why was we allowed to carry on with this carve up, when we had no chance of getting it.Allowing our future king to beg scroats like Warner and Blatter.Skinner got it right in the Times today, you don't bid for the WC, you beg.Fuck em, i really hope the press go for Warner, and Blatter in partic, and destroy them.Also i think we need a united front from our football authorities,to utilise our power, and reduce the influence of FIFA.We are one of the major footballing nations at the moment, and we should use that to get more power.Be fair, and be just, FIFA is not that.
I do fear that the WC2022, is going to be a bit of a disaster.
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Can just see all the prem managers agreeing to lose all their international players in the middle of the domestic season!
Maybe not, but as soon as I heard that Qatar had been chosen my first thought was: that'll be the first Winter Break the clubs have been campaigning for. 2022 - lose players for the World Cup; 2023 onwards - the Winter Break was a "success" so henceforward PL clubs will be playing February friendlies in the likes of Qatar.
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I know Qatar a little bit. My brother lives there and works in the region. His reason for living in Doha (main city but more of a concrete hamlet) is convenience to get about as he is a Journalist for Gulf Times. A travel writer so he and his family spend most of their time out of the Country. I have been there a number of times over the last few years.
Choosing Qatar is the most insane decision ever. The place is a shit hole. There are no places of historical interest. There are no places of modern interest. There is nothing to do no where to go. No one plays sports or at least the Qatari's don't. They are all on fat welfare payments from their State and unfit and unhealthy to do anything. Their slaves ( and believe me they are treated like slaves mostly from the sub-continent) do all the work and their football teams are full of washed out has been African players who have been granted temporary Qatari status whilst they can play.
The Qatari's are an obnoxious race arrogant, moody bastards and as I said earlier all inbred. They really are an unfit nation, an unfit land and wholly inappropriate place to stage the finals of the greatest game that millions play, billions watch and we all love.
I hate Australians for being good at all sports (more envy really) but I would have loved it if they had been given the 22 tournament.
Blatter is doing a Ecclestone and treating Football like F1. Sorry no… F1 is a specialist event where only a privileged few can take part however millions watch. Football is peoples game. Therefore I would rather it went to India or China where people can take part rather than being sold to the filth!
Well our Karren was a consultant. You can expect West Ham's new stadium to be built in Qatar.
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Blatter is so anti-English that, apparently, he credits the Chinese for inventing the game.
So that's it. "Bring Football Home" will yet be a winning bid slogan. Put your money on Beijing hosting the 2026 Final. You heard it here first.
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Yep, however we feel about getting 2 votes I'm sure the 2022 other bidding countries are a lot mor pissed off. It's a joke so Blatter can extend his legacy after he retires. FIFA are not accountable to anyone and make decisions on who can offer them the biggest sweetner, the voting system is worse than the Eurovision song contest!
If it's about taking Footy to new countries then why bother. If England has the best technical bid (we are told) and put up best arguemtn then why have all this process if it means nothing. Holland/Belguim and Spain/Portugal could have all got it easliy, Russia is so far behind those it's unreal, the cost of having to put it on - mind you 2 oil/gas rich coutries get the votes....hmmm.....
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Thinking out loud here, but could the Australian bid have been scuppered by FIFA's disdain for all things English (or what is perceived to be in some way English?) Particularly following Blatter's comments to the committee just before they were due to vote.
I know the Aussies will hate me for saying it, but I'm not having a dig. There is a bond still between the UK and Australia and people outside of those countries probably don't see a huge difference between the too. Outside of the weather, obv. If you wanted to put the boot into England and were served up the opportunity to put the boot into one of her dominions at the same time it might be too big a temptation to pass up.
There can be no genuine sporting, commercial or basic commonsense reason why the bid didn't go there.
*Sports mad nation
*Proven track record of hosting international events to a high standard
*Seven fantastic stadiums good to go already with the promise of more to come
*Legacy would be covered as-although football is on the rise there- it's not the national game and hosting a WC could be a big catalyst for the country
* Modern communications and business savvy population and workforce
*Myriad commercial opportunities
*Good transport links in all cities already
*Wide range of accommodation from hostels to five star hotels already in place
Only drawback would be the distance from mainland Europe and America. But plenty undertake the journey even without the carrot of a WC, as there is plenty more to offer outside of just sport. Close proximity to Asia and being a relatively easy commute for Asian fans should balance that out anyway.
If I were an Aussie I'd be livid at the decision. Particularly when all the above only counts for one solitary vote, compared to however many Qatar got.
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There can be no genuine sporting, commercial or basic commonsense reason why the bid didn't go there.
I would say that the USA also had a perfectly good shout for similar reasons. It should obviously have gone to either of them.
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It reminds me of when Birmingham were encouraged to bid for the National Stadium. They smiled and nodded at our lobbying, but never had any intention of giving it to us.
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Well if FIFA think they had a hard time with Panorama imagine what every instigative journalist will do with them now. It wouldn't surprise me if the News of the World already have something on them in tomorrows edition. " Blatter in midnight call to escort " etc
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There can be no genuine sporting, commercial or basic commonsense reason why the bid didn't go there.
I would say that the USA also had a perfectly good shout for similar reasons. It should obviously have gone to either of them.
The USA or Japan could have produced better or bids equally as strong as the Aussies but then you have the scenario that two nations who have already held the thing in only fairly recent history were given it again.
That would have been hard to justify.
Though not as hard as justifying giving it to Qatar, obv.
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There is plenty of time for the Qatar thing to fall apart. The press need to play thier part and not just our press.
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Blatter is so anti-English that, apparently, he credits the Chinese for inventing the game.
So that's it. "Bring Football Home" will yet be a winning bid slogan. Put your money on Beijing hosting the 2026 Final. You heard it here first.
Thats because the Chinese are going to get 2026. Just a bit of rewriting of history. He supposedly got it from Wiki.
Seriously what the f**k are we going to do about FIFA? Withdrawing isn't an option. But attacking their sponsors might be. Do Coke, McDonalds, Castrol, Budweiser etc really want to be associated with a corrupt organisation? Their brand names are to valauble for that. Our media should start asking the question. Maybe pressure from the soponsors will cause them to change?
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There is plenty of time for the Qatar thing to fall apart. The press need to play thier part and not just our press.
Apparently Beckenbaur who voted for Qatar has just suggested it is held in January, to coincide with European winter breaks. Clearly well thought through.
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The acting chairman of the FA has withdrawn his application for the permanent job as he doesn't trust the FIFA board whom he would need to laise with.
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There is plenty of time for the Qatar thing to fall apart. The press need to play thier part and not just our press.
Apparently Beckenbaur who voted for Qatar has just suggested it is held in January, to coincide with European winter breaks. Clearly well thought through.
It is exactly the same with almost every aspect of the Qatari bid. "We don't have any idea how it is going to work, how it will be tested or whether it will work."
There is only one important and reliable statement in their bid document "The necessary government support has been secured."
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Blatter is so anti-English that, apparently, he credits the Chinese for inventing the game.
So that's it. "Bring Football Home" will yet be a winning bid slogan. Put your money on Beijing hosting the 2026 Final. You heard it here first.
Isn't that true though? Whilst we may have formalised the current rules and established leagues etc (big up!) I'm sure I read that the earliest evidence of people kicking around sheep's bladders is in China.
Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought that was the case.
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Hopefully the England friendly against Thailand in June will now be cancelled. Apparently they promised us their vote on the back of that taking place. We didn't get their vote so they don't get their friendly.
I'm getting all yah,boo,sucks now
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Blatter is so anti-English that, apparently, he credits the Chinese for inventing the game.
So that's it. "Bring Football Home" will yet be a winning bid slogan. Put your money on Beijing hosting the 2026 Final. You heard it here first.
Isn't that true though? Whilst we may have formalised the current rules and established leagues etc (big up!) I'm sure I read that the earliest evidence of people kicking around sheep's bladders is in China.
Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought that was the case.
I'm sure that somewhere a cro-magnon man kicked a small rock to his mate, but it's hardly "inventing" football as we know it.
The world might hate the fact, but in setting up the FA and agreeing the Laws of the game, the English gave the world the football as it is played today. For me that is inventing the game.
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Blatter is so anti-English that, apparently, he credits the Chinese for inventing the game.
So that's it. "Bring Football Home" will yet be a winning bid slogan. Put your money on Beijing hosting the 2026 Final. You heard it here first.
Isn't that true though? Whilst we may have formalised the current rules and established leagues etc (big up!) I'm sure I read that the earliest evidence of people kicking around sheep's bladders is in China.
Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought that was the case.
I don't see how anyone could give a definitive, definite answer vis a vis the exact origins of the game.
I'm sure civilizations or all sorts were kicking spherical objects (pigs bladders, heads, god knows what else) since the year dot for recreation.
What is known is football as the world knows it today originated in England, and English (and Scottish) workers took it to places as far apart as Spain, Russia and Argentina.
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Just heard on the BEEB that Franz Beckenbauer (?sp) is on the FIFA executive committee and he has suggested that, because of the heat, the 2022 tournament could be held in January or February when the average temperature is a more comfortable 25C!! Can just see all the prem managers agreeing to lose all their international players in the middle of the domestic season!
This lot really do beggar belief.
That is good news as this would mean a mid season break Clark, Albrighton and Fonz would still be fresh to play for England and than eager to get back to retain the PL title for the Villa!
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Hopefully the England friendly against Thailand in June will now be cancelled. Apparently they promised us their vote on the back of that taking place. We didn't get their vote so they don't get their friendly.
I'm getting all yah,boo,sucks now
Heard on 5Live this morning that it has been. Yes I say if you are not voting f*ck you
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Russia and Qatar...now whats the common factor here?
especially as Abramovich was said to be highly influential in how things turned out. Give you a clue, its a five letter word, also a famous Pink Floyd song, begins with M and rhymes with honey.
Answers on a postcard please, or a three minute phone call at £1.50 a minute.
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The choice of Russia I can understand but Qatar! It defies logic... ??? ???
FIFA have humiliated a lot of people over the past few days, I'm sure that those responsible will, in the fullness of time, get what they deserve.
Also, before the FA / Premier League get all high and mighty they need to put their own house in order first.
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Does anyone know what the committe judges the bids on? Surely we need to know this parameter before we can say a winner is justified or not.
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A special section today to look at how the English papers have covered the news that Fifa has awarded the 2018 World Cup to Russia.
The Daily Mirror's front page headline is 'SOLD' as they ask how oil-rich Russia and Qatar could persuade Fifa to give them the World Cup. The Sun go with 'FIXED' while the Daily Star shouts 'WHAT A FIX', the Daily Mail claims 'THEY LIED' and the Daily Express simply says 'HUMILIATED'.
The Times is slightly more reserved with 'End of the world for England', The Independent claim 'England fear foul play after World Cup humiliation' and the Guardian says 'Russia ends England's dream of hosting 2018 World Cup', while the Daily Telegraph believes it is a DISASTER handing the tournament to Russia and a DISGRACE that 2022 will be in Qatar.
Aren't most of these the same papers rubbishing the BBC for saying FIFA was corrupt and now they are joining in.
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Does anyone know what the committe judges the bids on? Surely we need to know this parameter before we can say a winner is justified or not.
How much money in bribes, kickbacks and general sweeteners a bid can guarantee each member.
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I hate FIFA even more than the detestable Olympic Committee. They are just corporate suits lining their own pockets and bigging up their egos.
We should have the Olympic Games in Greece and the World Cup countries on a rotational basis. Period. Put all the countries who wish to participate into a computer hat with one continent per turn. No corruption, no wasting millions and plenty of time to plan.
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I am applying to have 2026 in my garden.
I can draw up some pretty good stadiums to be built and my sub-division is probably as large as some towns in Qatar...
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Does anyone know what the committe judges the bids on? Surely we need to know this parameter before we can say a winner is justified or not.
they completely ignored the reports thier own department made on the merits and risks of the various bids, The 22 man comitte have the final say and its pretty obvious how they came to pick Russia and Qatar.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html)
Not sure if this is a bad picture or not...
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html)
Not sure if this is a bad picture or not...
Nope, they seem to be basing their stadia on deleted sections of Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis'.
I fully expect that in abourt 2019 the USA will be announced at host of 2022 when Qatar sheepishly announce that they can't actually invent all the things they've promised to invent in time.
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Does anyone know what the committe judges the bids on? Surely we need to know this parameter before we can say a winner is justified or not.
they completely ignored the reports thier own department made on the merits and risks of the various bids, The 22 man comitte have the final say and its pretty obvious how they came to pick Russia and Qatar.
Understood but surely there was some sort of "What we're looking for" criteria. At the start of a bid process you have to know how to pitch it. Since the announcement all I've heard is how FIFA are taking the game to new countries. Now if that is a criteria then why let previous holders bid, if its not a criteria then its irrelevant. The whole thing is leaving me confused.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html)
Not sure if this is a bad picture or not...
Nope, they seem to be basing their stadia on deleted sections of Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis'.
I fully expect that in abourt 2019 the USA will be announced at host of 2022 when Qatar sheepishly announce that they can't actually invent all the things they've promised to invent in time.
The funny thing is I would've assumed FIFA would know better than to take a bunch of pictures as a bid, I would've thought a percentage of the bid had to actually exist. Granted Qatar exists and they have money...eveyrthing else is SimWorldCup.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html)
Not sure if this is a bad picture or not...
Nope, they seem to be basing their stadia on deleted sections of Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis'.
I fully expect that in abourt 2019 the USA will be announced at host of 2022 when Qatar sheepishly announce that they can't actually invent all the things they've promised to invent in time.
The funny thing is I would've assumed FIFA would know better than to take a bunch of pictures as a bid, I would've thought a percentage of the bid had to actually exist. Granted Qatar exists and they have money...eveyrthing else is SimWorldCup.
Oh, don't say that. I've already got my bid for 2034 in the planning stages.
We're holding it in a helium stadium in the clouds over Mount Everest.
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The Qatar bid is beyond parody. Special air conditioned stadia and fan zones, featuring technology that doesn't exist. Fuck all else to the rest of the time in what is essentially a new town in the middle of the desert.
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When the dust has settled from this farce and The FA restructure is complete, what are the odds of investing funds that would have have gone into 2018 into ensuring that we bring talented young players through in order to compete in 2018 and 2022? Winning, not whining would be the ultimate "up yours" to FIFA.
Or, will the FA continue it's agenda of sqeezing every last penny from the football fan and burying their heads in the sand as they ride the never ending gravy train?
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Does anyone know what the committe judges the bids on? Surely we need to know this parameter before we can say a winner is justified or not.
With a proper, transparent bidding process, these parameters would have been obvious. And any potetial bidder who did not meet the stated criteria could have saved themselves the time, money and humiliating grovelling. But the process is non-transparent for a reason. See Taylor's workrate's response for the answer to that one.
BTW can anyone think of a legitimate, footballing reason why FIFA insist on bidders agreeing to removal of restrictions on currency movements during the tournament? The only purpose it seems to serve is to allow FIFA officials to bring huge bags of cash in and out of the country. Now why would they need to do that I wonder?
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/soccer.2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.8.html)
Not sure if this is a bad picture or not...
Nope, they seem to be basing their stadia on deleted sections of Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis'.
I fully expect that in abourt 2019 the USA will be announced at host of 2022 when Qatar sheepishly announce that they can't actually invent all the things they've promised to invent in time.
The funny thing is I would've assumed FIFA would know better than to take a bunch of pictures as a bid, I would've thought a percentage of the bid had to actually exist. Granted Qatar exists and they have money...eveyrthing else is SimWorldCup.
Oh, don't say that. I've already got my bid for 2034 in the planning stages.
We're holding it in a helium stadium in the clouds over Mount Everest.
That is great, I can't wait to meet you!!
I will using my biologically refreshed 22 year old replacement body and will be called Eric Stein...hopefully I will be playing Midfield by then!
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I am applying to have 2026 in my garden.
I can draw up some pretty good stadiums to be built and my sub-division is probably as large as some towns in Qatar...
OK you can but like Russia and Qatar bids you have to answer YES to all of these questions:
1. Do you have unimaginable sums of money all in a few chosen hands that you can lavish on our delegates?
2. Are you and your family completely racist without any reason or sense?
3. Do you treat all foreign human beings coming to your house either as dirty slaves or enemies?
4. Would you be able to ensure that all games are played involving thousands of miles travelling for fans and teams?
5. Would you be able to ensure that all games are played in temperatures touching 50 d C in sand stroms?
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2030 The Moon.
The first weightless World Cup. The Clangers are keen to develop their own league.
Taking the game to new frontiers. Richard Branson to announce details of moon flights soon.
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2030 The Moon.
The first weightless World Cup. The Clangers are keen to develop their own league.
Taking the game to new frontiers. Richard Branson to announce details of moon flights soon.
Apparently Alex Ferguson is already taking his Man United team there in January for the inter galactic cup. They are going to have to pull out of the FA cup to do it but it'll make them bucket loads of cash. Besides, the moon probably has more atmosphere than Old Trafford.
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Sorry if this question has been posed already, but has anyone explained the timing of the Qater decision? As far as I'm aware, they always decide on one World Cup venue at a time, which mean you always know when the one after is to be before the next one kicks off, so to decide 12 years in advance is unusual to say the least. When you factor in the shock nature of it and the fact they'll need more time than most countires to build the stadiums from scratch, does it not make you wonder it it was all arranged to suit them in the first place?
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Pretty much John, yeah.
The air conditioning they've promised to have in place for the tournament hasn't even been tried with any success yet but 'trust us!' was concrete enough for FIFA.
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"This says it all about the corrupt FIFA. When asked who his favourite Qatar player was, Sepp Blatter replied, Eric Clapton!"
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Pretty much John, yeah.
The air conditioning they've promised to have in place for the tournament hasn't even been tried with any success yet but 'trust us!' was concrete enough for FIFA.
My prediction: they will throw so much energy at refrigerating the stadia, at least one player will be wearing gloves before the end of the tournament
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Sorry if this question has been posed already, but has anyone explained the timing of the Qater decision? As far as I'm aware, they always decide on one World Cup venue at a time, which mean you always know when the one after is to be before the next one kicks off, so to decide 12 years in advance is unusual to say the least. When you factor in the shock nature of it and the fact they'll need more time than most countires to build the stadiums from scratch, does it not make you wonder it it was all arranged to suit them in the first place?
I read it was about Blatter wanting to name 2 hosts in one go, shortly before he retires, to boost his personal "legacy".
I might have imagined it, though.
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I wonder what FIFA's carbon footprint is.
Taking aside that both Russia and Qatar are major oil producers and remote destinations for the majority of the footballing nations to get to what about the amount of energy required to cool stadiums and training facilities in a baking hot climate?
FIFA delegates are probably so heavily invested in Oil producing nations that the sight of Wind farms in England made them physically sick.
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I reckon we are heading for a FIFA/UEFA split.
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I reckon we are heading for a FIFA/UEFA split.
Platini voted for Qatar.
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I reckon we are heading for a FIFA/UEFA split.
Platini voted for Qatar.
Shows how much I know.
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Sorry if this question has been posed already, but has anyone explained the timing of the Qater decision? As far as I'm aware, they always decide on one World Cup venue at a time, which mean you always know when the one after is to be before the next one kicks off, so to decide 12 years in advance is unusual to say the least. When you factor in the shock nature of it and the fact they'll need more time than most countires to build the stadiums from scratch, does it not make you wonder it it was all arranged to suit them in the first place?
I read it was about Blatter wanting to name 2 hosts in one go, shortly before he retires, to boost his personal "legacy".
I might have imagined it, though.
If that is the case then he's openly as self serving as we all thought. even admitting that shows a "you can't touch me" attitude that is the core of FIFA's problems.
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I reckon we are heading for a FIFA/UEFA split.
Platini voted for Qatar.
Beckenbauer backed the Qatari bid too.
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Backenbauer and Platini are UEFA. Only Germany and France together can amke decisions that may influence FIFA decisions.
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I presume we did the decent thing and backed USA. Meanwhile, the US delegate promised to vote for us and then didnt.
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I suspect Platini and Beckenbaur may just have voted for the country that suits their timezone. This will increase the number of people watching and increase the amount of money they can make out of it.
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In Switzerland non profit organisations such as FIFA cannot be tried under anti-corruption laws!!