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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 23, 2010, 12:58:30 PM
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2-0 Home win
Bannan 16
Downing 33
Friedel
Dunne
Young (L.)
Collins
Warnock
Bannan
Young (A.)
Downing
Albrighton
Clarke
Agbonlahor
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I admire your positive outlook,i think we'll get a draw tops.
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3-1 to them.
Downing
Fabregas
Samri
Chamakh
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I admire your positive outlook,i think we'll get a draw tops.
Don't think Lee has ever gone for anything other than a Villa win.
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I'll go for a 3-1 defeat.
.............Friedel
Young Collins Dunne Warnock
Albrighton Clark Bannan Downing
..............Young
..............Gabby
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2-1 the Arse
Can't see a depleted Villa team beat them , and after they lost at home to Spurz they will be well up for it.
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Not a fan of the term 'tearing us a new one', but applicable here I fear.
0-3
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No chance of a win, unfortunately. Here's hoping I'm wrong, come on you Villa boys!
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No chance of a win, unfortunately. Here's hoping I'm wrong, come on you Villa boys!
I thought the same v Man Utd, but still can't see it this time.
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0-3 loss
Nasri
Chamakh
Walcott
I'd pick
--------------Friedel-----------------
Lichaj Dunne Collins LYoung
----------Clark----Bannan----------
Albrighton AYoung Downing
-------------Agbonlahor------------
If Albrighton is injured Young should move out wide with Pires coming into midfield.
I expect however, to see Warnock continue his reign of terror at left back.
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It will take something special from us to get a win here. I'll go for an optimistic 1-1. Can't see our defence manging to hold them.
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With Albrighton out the obvious thing to do is play Young wide and either Ireland or Pires centrally. Although some have been positive about Pires' performance on Sunday, i thought he looked very slow indeed. I think I'd play:
Friedel - Young, Collins, Dunne, Warnock - Clark, Bannan - Delfouneso, Young, Downing - Agbonlahor
subs: Guzan, Lichaj, Beye, Hogg, Pires, Ireland, Carew
Can't see a win here. But then I didn't think we had a cat in hell's chance vs Man U.
We just need to scrape together whatever we can and hope that we get the bonus of new players coming in in January, and a real impact from the return of the walking wounded
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3-1 to them.
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Not a prayer here.How can we when we've got players like Ireland who can't be arsed or step up to the plate when they're really needed
0-4 to the Gooners
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4-1 Arsenal.
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0-2 to the Arse... I would take a draw but have got a bad feeling they will want to get over their loss to the spuds!
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I think I might stick Carew up top with Gabby as he usually plays well v Arsenal and they don't like playing against that sort of forward. If he has one of his rare on days and Gabby plays well we could cause them a few problems.
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Say 1-1, Carew and Chamakh.
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I fear a spanking
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Aston Villa from:
Friedel
Hercules the Lion
Clark
Mr Edward Moss, Cannock
Ms Stacey Keating, Erdington
Bannan
Mrs the Lion
Hogg
Fat Chris, Great Barr
Downing
McAllister
Pires
Delfouneso
Houllier
Cowans
Mr Norman Jennings, 1875-1935 RIP
Guzan
Herd
Ireland just misses out.
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Aston Villa from:
Friedel
Hercules the Lion
Clark
Mr Edward Moss, Cannock
Ms Stacey Keating, Erdington
Bannan
Mrs the Lion
Hogg
Fat Chris, Great Barr
Downing
McAllister
Pires
Delfouneso
Houllier
Cowans
Mr Norman Jennings, 1875-1935 RIP
Guzan
Herd
Ireland just misses out.
fucking quality
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0-2
With the amount of players out, and the likes of Ireland playing poo this could be painful to watch.
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Not confident at all now Albrighton is out.
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Another stupid fcuking kick off time and ongoing injuries galore. According to Physioroom (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php) Albrighton down with appendicitis, and no Carew or Heskey to bully their defence. Hopefuly NRC will be back to provide some bite in midfield with Ash going wide right/left, but I still fear a beating. 3-1 to them
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Another stupid fcuking kick off time and ongoing injuries galore. According to Physioroom (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php)
not sure how reliable that is but NRC, Cuellar and Carew all due back
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2-1 Villa. Perfect opportunity to put in another performance similar to that against Manyoo, being as their midfield probably won't be over physical. Downing and Young with our goals.
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Villa 5 Arsenal 0 Ireland 4 goals and 1 assist.
Not.
probably 0-0
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Will we ever play a big team at 3pm at home again?
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Just watching arsenel in the champions league,
They have rested Nasri, arshavin, song, sagna, clichy, chamakk and kosielny.
They have brought in the likes of rosiky, Walcott, wilshere, Bendtner.
Not a bad squad, but I'm still feeling positive about saturday.
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0-3 :'(
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I haven't a fucking clue who is going to be fit for this one.
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On the plus side Fabregas just pulled up with a Hamstring injury
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We'll get chances in this, especially if they play the two french centre backs against Gabby.Can we actually be clinical for once at crucial moments in the game?
The worry I have is their movement will just be too much for our inexperienced central midfield. We really need Collins fit for this and move Clark into holding midfield as I feel this would be a step too far for Hogg.
Open game, plenty of chances, 1-3 Arsenal.
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Arsenel just lost 2 nil, fabregas is injured, so come Villa.
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Did the Fabregas injury look serious or did he just go off as a precaution?
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On the plus side Fabregas just pulled up with a Hamstring injury
Make it a double plus, he's been joined by Eboue.
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Did the Fabregas injury look serious or did he just go off as a precaution?
Not too bad, but Arsene Wenger has just said Fabregas is definitely out of this game.
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Yep - Fabregas out.
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0 0 all over it
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Good good, every little injury to the opposition's best players helps.
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Us 2 - 1 Arse
Agbonlahor & Pires for us. The Moroccan dude for them.
We have 2 shots on goals to their 69.
We have 39% of the possession.
In another words, we did a "Birmingham City".
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Fabregas being out is a big plus. If Collins and NRC return I'd feel more confident.
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I see the problem being that teams like Arse, Chelsea, United rarely if ever lose games back to back - that is why they are usually at the top of the league
Can see a good game of football but both teams have the same weaknesses in front of goal and defense
so i predict an entertaining but frustrating 0-0
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I really hope NRC & Collins are back for this game.
If they are...
..............Friedel
Young Dunne Collins Warnock
Young Bannan NRC Downing
....Agbonlahor Delfouneso
I think Gabby & Delfouneso would work. Gabby seems to do a lot of his hard work outside the box these days and Nathan is more of a clinical finisher, poacher type.
If not then it'll have to be Clark in for Collins & Hogg in for NRC.
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Could Cuellar be fit?
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I see the problem being that teams like Arse, Chelsea, United rarely if ever lose games back to back - that is why they are usually at the top of the league
If Chelsea can lose back to back games against Sunderland and The Dog shit, anything is possible.
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1-0 to us (Downing).
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Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas will miss the trip to Aston Villa on Saturday with a hamstring injury.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/58671.html
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0-3 to them, anything better will be a huge bonus
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It's funny just having a read of the pre match thread on the Arsenal forum they're just as negative about the game as we are.They obviously haven't heard about Albrighton
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Pires to start. Villa to pass Arsenal to death but our insistence on trying to walk the ball into the net lets us down and we lose to a late headed goal from a corner.
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0-3 - We get the backlash from two crap Arse results and the press will be full of "Arsenal back in title chase".
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There's a video on the Birmingham Post with a Mat Kendrick(who the fuck? He keeps saying 'ermm' which is really annoying) talk about our injuries.
Hogg, Collins & Carew may feature on Saturday.
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Really need Collins or Cuellar (and it doesn't sound as if Cuellar's anywhere near fit) fit. Then we can move Clark into midfield and go with:
Friedel
L Young Collins Dunne Warnock (stay on your feet, Stephen! Stephen!!!!!)
A Young Clark Bannan Downing
Gabby Delfouneso
Subs: Guzan, Lichaj, Hogg, Ireland, Carew, Pires, Lowry
Could be worse.
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Can't see anything other than an Arsenal victory - bottom 3 for us by Christmas I'm afraid but we'll start to improve in January I'm sure.
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Draw, Its easy to go for an Arsenal hammering but we've been good at home and even had a creditble draw with Manure with a weakened team and we will want to make ammeds for a bad performace the weekend
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0 - 2
Chamakh (2)
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If ever there was a game likely to go the way everyone will expect, this is it.
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Can't see anything other than an Arsenal victory - bottom 3 for us by Christmas I'm afraid but we'll start to improve in January I'm sure.
Yep, because Chelsea and Blues away, followed by Man City at home are all absolute bankers!!!!
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When's NRC due back?
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Would prefer Clarke to NRC for the rest of the season. NRC will not take us forward. Clarke will get better and he will win more in the air and he`s distribution is better ........
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Doesn't sound like NRC is going to be fit. Collins hopefully will be though.
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I will go 1-1 Gabby with gaby scoring.
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I think we're in for a battering unfortunately.
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Carew's back, so we'll be back to winning ways with the non-stop effort he puts in.
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It's a tough one. Start Ireland or Carew?
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With Fabregas missing I'm more optimistic. I think the result might suprise a few.
I'm going for a narrow win believe it or not.
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Looks like we could have a bit of a stronger squad at least.
Friedel: LYoung Dunne Collins Warnock: AYoung Clark Bannan Downing: Agbonlahor Carew
Subs: Guzan Beye Pires Delfonesou Hogg Ireland Lichaj
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You're right; take Fabregas out and their midfield doesn't look so hot. I certainly don't think Wilshere's much to be frightened of and I think Clark could take care of him.
Positives are that Arsenal are vulnerable at the back, and we should have Young, Downing, Gabby, Carew and the Fonz available to feature, if not all from the start then at some point. We should give them some problems.
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I think Carew over Ireland just as he offers something different, even if not on form he will distract defenders giving Ash, Gabby, Downing and Bannan more space. To be fair Carew always looks terrible up top on his own but when he plays with Gabby he can be very effective and i think Gabby might get in the goals a bit more playing off someone. Don't think it's just as simple as Carew or Ireland though, Pires and Fonz would want that shirt too, so it will be interesting to see which 1 from 4 he picks. People are assuming Clark straight in for Hogg, yet Hogg played better against Man U than Clark did against Blackpool, but on balance I would play Clark as I thought he was wonderful at Fulham.
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Friedel
L Young Collins Dunne Warnock
A Young Pires Clark Bannan Downing
Agbonlahor
S: Guzan Beye Carew Ireland Lichaj Fonz
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I think that Arsenal are beatable without Fabregas.
Their defence and keeper are a bag of shit. Ashley Young always rips Clichy a new one.
I hope Pires starts.
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Their defence and keeper are a bag of shit. Ashley Young always rips Clichy a new one.
It will be interesting to see Downing against Sagna - and would have been even more interesting to see Albrighton as well. Sagna put in one of the best defensive displays I've ever seen a couple of years ago in the 2-2 game at Villa Park. Without him, we would have murdered them, as the rest of the defence was all over the shop.
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Aston Villa vs. Arsenal (12:45pm GMT)
Referee: Mark Clattenburg
The early kick off sees Arsenal travel to Villa Park a ground the Gunners haven’t won at since 2007. Gerard Houllier’s men lost 2-0 to Blackburn this weekend but have drawn the last two home games against Arsenal in the league.
Mark Clattenburg takes charge of this fixture for only the second having overseen the 1-1 draw between the two sides at The Emirates in March 2008. Clattenburg from Tyne and Wear has had a good season thus far refereeing eleven Premier League matches including some high quality games like Tottenham against Villa and Manchester City vs. Arsenal but he, like many other referees has had his fair share of controversy and criticism none more so than Manchester United’s second goal against Tottenham when he allowed Nani’s goal to stand despite the Portuguese winger handling the ball.
Clattenburg in my opinion is one of the best players of the advantage rule and isn’t afraid to allow play to go on and come back and book players but he, along with Phil Dowd is a very good man manager because he likes to talk to players rather than showing needless yellow cards.
This is why I believe this is a fantastic appointment from Mike Riley because these two teams like to play football so as long as Clatts lets the game flow like he usually does then this has the potential to be a really entertaining game.
Clattenburg has taken charge of one previous Arsenal game and one previous Villa game this season. He refereed Villa’s 2-1 defeat at Tottenham in early October, a match in which he booked three Villa players. The Arsenal game he refereed was their 3-0 win at Manchester City where he correctly sent of Dedryck Boyata after only five minutes, and gave a penalty for a foul by Vincent Kompany.
That red card for Boyata was one of two shown by Clattenburg this season, the other was to Birmingham’s Craig Gardener against Wigan, but with no red card in a Villa vs. Arsenal match since Gilles Grimandi was sent off in 2001 so I think this one should go without any major blips for Mark
My Prediction:
Aston Villa 2-2 Arsenal
Yellow Cards: 2, Red Cards: 0, Penalties: 0
Meet the ref (http://smo.infinigraph.com/view?title=Meet+the+Premier+League+Referees,+Gameweek+15&iframe=http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EPLTalk/~3/UK6CAQ3Yj5A/meet-the-premier-league-referees-gameweek-15-26903)
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LAWRO'S PREDICTIONS
(Kick-offs at 1500 GMT unless stated)
SATURDAY
Aston Villa v Arsenal (1245 GMT)
The Champions League defeat to Braga was a bad result for Arsenal - they were cruising and only have themselves to blame for losing. And they will be without captain Cesc Fabregas at Villa Park.
However, the Gunners have the best away record in the Premier League and although Villa are good on the counter-attack, they still have lots of inexperience.
Arsenal to get back on track with their fifth away win of the season.
Prediction: 1-2
Lawro (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/football_focus/9228325.stm)
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Lawro's a dick.
I'd like to see Houllier maybe go with the formation of players Pete has used. Got to play Pires, Ireland's too inconsistent atm and we need someone who is already proven (not saying Ireland isn't proven, just think it's taking him a long time to adjust) to just slot in that hole and pick out nice passes for our attackers.
We need to win this for two reasons 1) we need to get out that bottom half 2) we need a nice win to take lots of momentum into beating blose.
Quite a rarity for Arsenal to lose 3 games in a row... hopefully that rare time occurs on Saturday...
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We should go with Delfouneso & Gabby up front. Let's get in their faces, they don't like it up 'em.
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Aston Villa vs. Arsenal (12:45pm GMT)
Referee: Mark Clattenburg
The early kick off sees Arsenal travel to Villa Park a ground the Gunners haven’t won at since 2007. Gerard Houllier’s men lost 2-0 to Blackburn this weekend but have drawn the last two home games against Arsenal in the league.
Mark Clattenburg takes charge of this fixture for only the second having overseen the 1-1 draw between the two sides at The Emirates in March 2008. Clattenburg from Tyne and Wear has had a good season thus far refereeing eleven Premier League matches including some high quality games like Tottenham against Villa and Manchester City vs. Arsenal but he, like many other referees has had his fair share of controversy and criticism none more so than Manchester United’s second goal against Tottenham when he allowed Nani’s goal to stand despite the Portuguese winger handling the ball.
Clattenburg in my opinion is one of the best players of the advantage rule and isn’t afraid to allow play to go on and come back and book players but he, along with Phil Dowd is a very good man manager because he likes to talk to players rather than showing needless yellow cards.
This is why I believe this is a fantastic appointment from Mike Riley because these two teams like to play football so as long as Clatts lets the game flow like he usually does then this has the potential to be a really entertaining game.
Clattenburg has taken charge of one previous Arsenal game and one previous Villa game this season. He refereed Villa’s 2-1 defeat at Tottenham in early October, a match in which he booked three Villa players. The Arsenal game he refereed was their 3-0 win at Manchester City where he correctly sent of Dedryck Boyata after only five minutes, and gave a penalty for a foul by Vincent Kompany.
That red card for Boyata was one of two shown by Clattenburg this season, the other was to Birmingham’s Craig Gardener against Wigan, but with no red card in a Villa vs. Arsenal match since Gilles Grimandi was sent off in 2001 so I think this one should go without any major blips for Mark
My Prediction:
Aston Villa 2-2 Arsenal
Yellow Cards: 2, Red Cards: 0, Penalties: 0
Meet the ref (http://smo.infinigraph.com/view?title=Meet+the+Premier+League+Referees,+Gameweek+15&iframe=http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EPLTalk/~3/UK6CAQ3Yj5A/meet-the-premier-league-referees-gameweek-15-26903)
You trying to take nicardinho's thunder?!
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Arsenal s weakness is central defence, but i doubt GH will risk playing 4-4-2 and get out run in midfield, i hope he plays Downing on the left and Young on the right
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Who would you play in the middle Hawkeye with Hogg a doubt, Clark, Bannan and Ireland?
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Who would you play in the middle Hawkeye with Hogg a doubt, Clark, Bannan and Ireland?
Depends on the fitness of Collins.
I'd play Clark & Bannan if Collins is fit.
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If Hogg and Collins are missing, does that mean Herd comes in, or Clark with Lowry/Beye/Lichaj at centre half?
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If Collins and Hogg are out, I'd play Bannan, Pires and Herd in midfield.
If they are fit I'd play Clark and Bannan and play 442 gabby and fonz.
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Every Gooner I know, and I know a few, are shit scared of Carew and say he always plays really well against them, so if he's fit yes please! I still can't see us winning though.
2-2
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WM reckon Gabby's a doubt for tomorrow due to illness.
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Injuries & illness will take their toll on us tomorrow I fear -
Our unbeaten run in league will come to an end -
2-0 away win and precious little to keep us warm
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For fuck sake, how did O'Neill get away with never having more than 3 players injured?
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For fuck sake, how did O'Neill get away with never having more than 3 players injured?
Because he didn't do serious training sessions, so the players are consequently not acclimatized to an hard athletic work!
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For fuck sake, how did O'Neill get away with never having more than 3 players injured?
Because he didn't do serious training sessions, so the players are consequently not acclimatized to an hard athletic work!
Or if you believe the other theories, they played through injuries.
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Yep, Gabby is now a doubt.
I'd rather have Delfouneso & Ireland in than Carew.
.....Bannan Clark/Hogg
Young Ireland Downing
............Delfouneso
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I think Carew scares them, I don't see us beating them at their own game with lots of small players and pretty passes, we need to be strong and direct.
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I think Carew scares them, I don't see us beating them at their own game with lots of small players and pretty passes, we need to be strong and direct.
Carew scares anyone, about 5 times a season.
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Gabby out now? FFS. This is taking the piss.
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Had a quick look on the OnlineGooner site to see how they thought their chances were, and they're about as pessimistic as us!
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Gabby out now? FFS. This is taking the piss.
Hope not - where does it say that?
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Any news on Gabby? Happy for Delf to be given a chance but I really think Gabby could cause problems against this mob
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Saw on skysports that Gabby has been out for a few days with illness and Houllier isn't sure if he'll be able to play, supposed to be assessed this afternoon/evening.
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2-1 Villa with Ireland getting the winner.
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Yep, Gabby reported as a strong doubt with an illness. At least Carew is back, but I really don't think he suits the lone striker role. I'd still play him ahead of Delf as lone striker though.
GH hasn't played two up top since he joined us, so I don't see any real chance of that happening tomorrow.
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Would start Ireland tomorrow. Infact I'd keep starting him right up until January.
If he hasn't picked up and he still wants out then let him go. But there is potential brilliance there.
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---------------- Friedel
Young - Dunne - Collins - Warnock
----------------- Clark
Downing - Ireland - Bannan - Young
----------------- Gabby
Would be my team, hopefully get an hour out of Gabby before bringing Carew on. Their centre backs are shakey.
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---------------- Friedel
Young - Dunne - Collins - Warnock
----------------- Clark
Downing - Ireland - Bannan - Young
----------------- Gabby
Would be my team, hopefully get an hour out of Gabby before bringing Carew on. Their centre backs are shakey.
Yup, that looks nice.
First game since West Ham for me. Hopefully a similar performance and scoreline.
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I'd much rather play Young and Downing on their proper sides. And Carew may need to play instead of Gabby. Otherwise, I still think that team looks good considering the horrendous injury list.
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I'd also like to see Young on the Right and Downing on the Left
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A plucky draw.
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The dreaded 'r' word is creeping into my mind.
The old adage of 'too good to go down' keeps going around my head.
I hope it's just the fact that my mind and brain are tiny and I'm reading too much into the curse that has befallen on the once mighty Lions.
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Now come on Eric, we'll have none of that nonsense around here.
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0-3. Can see them giving us a right good hiding I'm afraid. We need our players back, and soon. Hope I'm wrong but I can't see us winning any game against anyone at the minute. Not a good thing when you have a quarter final away to your hated rivals coming up. Where are the goals gonna come from?
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Arse are not confident about this game at all, they know the frailties of thier team and so should we, this is winnable
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2-1 to us
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I think the Blackburn game was a real "welcome to the Prem" for some of the kids. Big, physical, organised, in your face, set piece type of side.
Am hoping Arsenal will let us play a bit more....a la Man Yoo.
2-0 Villa...make that 2-1 (clean sheet? what was I thinking?!)
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3-1
We're gonna drop one of the big boys soon and everything will click from there.
Tomorrow is that day. They wont get the ball off us.
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Be an open and entertaining game. Think Arse will just edge it 2-1 though.
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I'd take a draw...
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Hopefully Arsenal have one of their overplaying days. Our defence can't take a bombarding at all. Dunney is a huge worry, as is the constant chopping and changing in the central area. Warnock is dropping a bollock with great regularity sadly too.
It all depends on which Goons side turns out, but we could snag a good win or get a roasting tomorrow. I suspect though, we'll have one of those good games, but lose to the odd goal. The midfield isn't solid enough.
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Gerard Houllier badly needs a win to be honest. Yes there has been a lot of injuries, performances have been generally good, young players being given a chance etc but only two wins both fortunate enough too. There is a lack of gumption about the side at the moment whether that is a result of playing inexperienced players or not we have a pretty soft centre, points tossed away against Fulham and United in particular are haunting us. If Gabby is out then we can't go with one up top. Might not be a bad thing anyway. Team picks itself unfortunately.
Friedel
Young, Collins, Dunne, Warnock
A Young, Bannan, Clark, Downing
Carew, Delfouneso
Simply must go with Downing on the left. Pissed me off how he remained on the right for the whole game last week. Think we will get a point. 0-0
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Some of you need to harden up :o. We are ASTON VILLA and we will win tomorrow , there is no doubt about it. I think this game will suit us more than last weeks.
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Some of you need to harden up :o. We are ASTON VILLA and we will win tomorrow , there is no doubt about it. I think this game will suit us more than last weeks.
I think you meant we will win today.
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I know we haven't got tge results with Houllier, buy he has brought the excitement back to going to watch Villa. I'm really looking forward to this game.
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Has it snowed in Brum overnight? I've had loads of the stuff & its only 50 miles or so to vp from here.
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Some of you need to harden up :o. We are ASTON VILLA and we will win tomorrow , there is no doubt about it. I think this game will suit us more than last weeks.
I think you meant we will win today.
You mean we shall win today. Use the emphatic.
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Has it snowed in Brum overnight? I've had loads of the stuff & its only 50 miles or so to vp from here.
A mere dusting in brum. No problems.
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Not got good vibes about this one.
I think we're going to lose 3-1.
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One thig we can't afford to do is start defending deep, if we let the Arse knock it around just outside the box we're cactus.
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Does any one know if Bannan is playing? Heard them discussing the match in 5Live Kickoff prog last night I am sure Colin Murray siad Bannan was out?
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On the back of both teams of a disappointing weekend 7-days ago, I'll go for a 1-1 draw.
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I think we'll really struggle, I'm clinging onto hope!