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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Matt C on November 13, 2010, 09:14:10 PM
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Full squad here:
http://bit.ly/a4KxUh
Carroll & Boothroyd? Jesus.
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Bothroyd, Chris Smalling good grief.
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He's having a laugh.
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Bothroyd, lol. Downing and Albrighton shoulda probably been in before Young. Gabby has been injured recently, so odd choice..
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Bothroyd? It's an odd one. I had to look him up to see which club he's currently at.
I'm all for giving an opportunity to players outside the top flight and he's in good form for Cardiff apparently but he's 28. Hardly one for the future.
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Bothroyd and Gabby are both odd choices, but who are the alternatives?
The top English strikers in the Premier League this season are Carroll (included), Bent (injured), Harewood (!), Davies (recently picked, getting on), Sylvan Ebanks-Blake, Shola Ameobi and Luke Varney.
Why not give 14 goal Jay Bothroyd a shout? It's not like it's Shearer and Sheringham keeping Andy Cole and Les Ferdinand out of the side.
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Is Andy Caroll really the sort of person we want our children pinning poster on their wall of?
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Is Andy Caroll really the sort of person we want our children pinning poster on their wall of?
Definitely not.
But then again, nor is John Terry.
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Tery messed around behind her back but has never hit her as far as I'm aware??
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I know Wilshere and Henderson are good players, but are either playing better than Downing right now?
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Why not give 14 goal Jay Bothroyd a shout? It's not like it's Shearer and Sheringham keeping Andy Cole and Les Ferdinand out of the side.
I suppose because about the only consistent thing in his career has been his inability to score regularly in the Premier League.
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It would appear that Cappello is attempting to build the most objectionable England squad in living memory. he might as well go the whole hog and pick Joey Barton.
It's a pity Rooney isn't fit, in this company he would be given a run for his money as far as acting like a c**t is concerned.
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Fabio obviously liked what he saw from a 2/3 fit Gabby today - the ability to completely destroy two of the best centre halves in European football.
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Tery messed around behind her back but has never hit her as far as I'm aware??
Must be a standup bloke then. If you ignore the dozens of obnoxious things he does
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Why not give 14 goal Jay Bothroyd a shout? It's not like it's Shearer and Sheringham keeping Andy Cole and Les Ferdinand out of the side.
I suppose because about the only consistent thing in his career has been his inability to score regularly in the Premier League.
So... the alternative to picking the top scorer in the league below the Premier League? There's not a lot of point leaving an empty space in the squad.
I'm not saying he's a great, or even a good player. But if you're supposedly picking players on form, it's not the stupidest choice in the world.
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There just doesn't seem any thought or planning to Capello's squads anymore. At least that's the overwhelming impression I'm left with.
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There just doesn't seem any thought or planning to Capello's squads anymore. At least that's the overwhelming impression I'm left with.
you are right, he lost the plot at the world cup and now he is just messing about and drawing his salary
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I like the squad tbh. Bothroyd has the talent and should be back in the top flight come next season anyway.
Hopefully this gives him the motivation to keep going, 'cos that's all he's ever lacked.
Thought Downing would have been in tbh.
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I'm afraid there's no justification for smalling, wilshere or bothroyd being included, the first 2 are subs at club level and the last is a journeyman who has never been prolific until this year despite being given plenty of opportunities at the top level.
Downing and Albrighton should both be in if it's been based on current form.
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Albrighton and Downing must feel hard done by with the other players named.
Bothroyd I don't really have an issue with, scored in his last 7, 15 in total this season and been rumoured as a target for us for the last couple of windows, so been scoring for Cardiff for a while now. Why not give him a shot.
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It's just pissing about from Fabio. What as the point of picking Kevin Davies last time and then ditching him straight away? Games like this afford the manager the chance to look at alternatives, waste everybody's time and energy then go back to the same tried and trusted line up of big name, small performance players who let everyone down and piss everyone off with absolutely no censure at the end.
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I'm afraid there's no justification for smalling, wilshere or bothroyd being included, the first 2 are subs at club level and the last is a journeyman who has never been prolific until this year despite being given plenty of opportunities at the top level
So who do you pick instead? It's all very well saying Bothroyd shouldn't be there, so who should? As for plenty of opportunities = 11 games on loan at Blackburn and 18 for Charlton? I wouldn't call that plenty of opportunities.
And Wilshere has been more or less ever-present for Arsenal this season.
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Sad day for national football team as England Manager resorts to reserves and other players of dubious quality.
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I'm afraid there's no justification for smalling, wilshere or bothroyd being included, the first 2 are subs at club level and the last is a journeyman who has never been prolific until this year despite being given plenty of opportunities at the top level.
Downing and Albrighton should both be in if it's been based on current form.
Wilshere is a regular and absolutely brilliant. Smalling has played a fair bit and shown he has the potential to be a starter for Man Utd.
Bothroyd is a shock but there is no doubt he has the ability to be at the very least a good top flight forward. He seems to have finally matured and he'll be in the top flight next season regardless - so why not let him have a taste of what he could be in store for should he keep this form up.
I'd prefer Bothroyd there than a 33 year old Davies, Zamora or bloody Can't Control.
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Anybody else think Fabio is working his ticket,or is he just taking the piss?
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Hart
Richards - Ferdinand - Terry - Gibbs
Walcott - Gerrard - Barry - Wilshere - Milner
Carroll
Is what I'd like to see. Barry doing the sweeping up role, Gerrard and Milner allowed the freedom to get about the pitch. Wilshere making himself open and keep the ball ticking over and Walcott getting close to Carroll.
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I'd prefer Bothroyd there than a 33 year old Davies, Zamora or bloody Can't Control.
I'd have a fit Zamora in the squad ahead of Bothroyd every day of the week. And I wouldn't want either at Villa Park.
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I'd prefer Bothroyd there than a 33 year old Davies, Zamora or bloody Can't Control.
I'd have a fit Zamora in the squad ahead of Bothroyd every day of the week. And I wouldn't want either at Villa Park.
So would I.
But along with Bent, Defoe, Rooney and a time machine to bring back a 25 year old Jimmy Greaves it's not an option that's available.
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Is Andy Caroll really the sort of person we want our children pinning poster on their wall of?
We do not want our daughters to end their sentences with prepositions.
Nonetheless:
Bring ya daugh' aaaaa
To va slaugh' aaaaa
Roastin innit.
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Fabio obviously liked what he saw from a 2/3 fit Gabby today - the ability to completely destroy two of the best centre halves in European football.
Must have been when he clattered Vidic then told him to get off his backside. Or when he turned him inside out for the pen. Or when he took Ferdninand out and then just shrugged his shoulders at the ref. It's great to see Gabby back. When he's back you realise what havoc he causes defenders even if he isn't scoring.
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I could'nt agree more JD.
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Dissappointed Downing isn't in the squad but pleased for Young & Abonlahor
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Fabio obviously liked what he saw from a 2/3 fit Gabby today - the ability to completely destroy two of the best centre halves in European football.
....but missed Stewie and Marc tearing Brown and Evra new arseholes obviously! I have a feeling had MON had his way Bothroyd would be a Villa player now btw & I don't actually think he's that bad, just maturing a little late.
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Fewer Villa players in there the better. I really don't want to see Gabby and Ashley risking injuries playing a pointless fixture for these pricks.
And I can't see the problem with selecting Carroll. If it's a prerequisite that all England players must be clean-cut, wholesome characters, then they'd struggle to find 11 eligible players throughout the four divisions.
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Dissappointed Downing isn't in the squad but pleased for Young & Abonlahor
I'm happy he isn't! Wish Gabby wasn't there still not fit he doesn't need extra football.
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Bothroyd is a wel known underachiever, he's had a few clubs and disappointed at all, one good season so far and he get's in the England squad.
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The quicker they can fook that muppet off the better.. Then Redknapp should get it and watch Spurzz go into downfall...
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I'm glad Gabby is in. Capello will only give him an hour at the most, that's if he starts. The match fitness will be good for Gabby. As long as he doesn't get crocked.
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Why not give 14 goal Jay Bothroyd a shout? It's not like it's Shearer and Sheringham keeping Andy Cole and Les Ferdinand out of the side.
I suppose because about the only consistent thing in his career has been his inability to score regularly in the Premier League.
So... the alternative to picking the top scorer in the league below the Premier League? There's not a lot of point leaving an empty space in the squad.
I'm not saying he's a great, or even a good player. But if you're supposedly picking players on form, it's not the stupidest choice in the world.
In which case you'd go for Kevin Davies surely, especially as he was in the last squad.
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Carlton Cole called up now cos Carroll and Gabby have injury doubts.
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Bothroyd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bothroyd) - look at the stats on right, if he had a scoring record like that but was 21 he'd be worth a punt, at 28 it's not good enough.
Wilshere - If the media weren't already bigging him up as being better than god no one would've taken notice of him from his performances this season, certainly not to be calling for him to start for england. Albrighton has had a much better season.
Smalling - he's just not ready yet, playing in defence is as much about experience as it is ability and I don't think Smalling's ability is good enough to make up for the lack of experience. Give him a season with regular starts for manyoo then he might be ready.
Carroll - I agree with this call up, very good young striker with a good record on the pitch. Needs to sort his head out off the pitch but he deserves a chance to grow up, if he's still a dick in 3-4 years then dump him on the joey barton pile.
Henderson - Agree with this too. He's been very good all season, probably on a par with albrighton for the effect he's had on their play.
As for who else, that's not my job, but there must be a 20-21yo striker who would benefit from being in the squad more than us taking people like davies and bothroyd.
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The days of an England call up being an honour are gone, because there's just not enough quality English players in the league.
6 years ago 'we' had Campbell, Rio, Terry, King, Woodgate, Carragher as senior centre halves playing for big clubs regularly.
Now England have an ageing and injury prone Rio and Terry. After that there's Dawson and Jagielka who aren't quite the same class as those before them.
Smalling is potentially an England player, with a couple of injuries he could be first choice. So the quicker the likes of him, Gibbs, Wilshere and Carroll are involved in squads and given experience the better - because like or or not these players will probably be involved at the Euro's.
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But would smalling be there if he was still at fulham, I doubt it, ditto gibbs and wilshere at arsenal. Don't get me wrong, they may well turn out to be top players but at the moment it's a gamble on potential without enough real evidence to show they can turn that potential into performances.
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Great gabby is an injury doubt, he is vital for Villa.
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Great gabby is an injury doubt, he is vital for Villa.
I'm hoping this is GH doing "a Fergie". Gabby will be far better off spending the week at Bodymoor, preparing for the Blackburn game. Last thing he needs is a couple of days spent kicking his heels around the Three Lions circus.
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Is Andy Caroll really the sort of person we want our children pinning poster on their wall of?
What makes him any different to the likes of Terry, Rooney or even Gerrard for that matter
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I'm well past the point of wanting Villa players in the England squad, they only get a taste for the £100k a week wages and all the other bollocks.
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Tery messed around behind her back but has never hit her as far as I'm aware??
Splitting hairs I think
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Very surprised that capello hasn't picked downing having been at the game yesterday- downing is playing some great stuff this season and should have been picked.
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Downing was in the last squad wasn't he? So he's not only been left out, he's been dropped. Very strange. And Albrighton is better than Wilshere
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Carroll and Jay Bothroyd is a good Division 2 strike paring, nothing more
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Nobody seems to have mentioned it, but is there any reason Kieron Gibbs is in the squad? I don't recall him even playing for Arsenal, and he seems to be included for the sole purpose of Capello saying 'I'm turning to the youngsters, this isn't the team that started the world cup' before proceeding to bring in the same 11 clowns who let the country down when a competitive game comes around.
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I think Capello has lost the plot.
Smalling has barely played a game for Man United, yet gets called up.
He picks Kevin Davies, then immediately drops him next time, having learned nothing.
He picks Gabby who, with all the will in the world, is clearly a long way from his best having just this week returned from injury.
Bothroyd? A jobbing striker at the very best.
Gibbs? He's young and plays for Arsenal, so get him in.
Also, Ashley is in the squad, but Downing, who has had an infinitely better season than him, is not.
I thought Capello got a lot of unfair stick over the WC debacle, but he seems to have totally lost the plot now, and given up even pretending to try to do the best we can.
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Capello needs to go. Get Hiddink in.
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Is Agbonlahor injured? heard something earlier about Cole (c) On standby as Agbonlahor & Carrol are doubts?
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I heard that on Talksport as I was driving. Think it was on the 7pm news bulletin.
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Hopefully is just a precaution he did look hurt though on Saturday
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Gary Cahill & Stephen Warnock are called up to the England squad after John Terry and Ashley Cole were withdrawn.
www.thefa.com
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Warnock? He's been poor for a while now.
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Gabriel Agbonlahor has also returned to Villa after being assessed by England medical team. All other players have reported to the team hotel.
www.thefa.com
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Ya, Im pretty sure Capello is just sticking pins in his list of eligable players and seeing what happens.
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Thought Jarvis from Wolves might have got a call as his form has been good lately.
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Warnock? He's been poor for a while now.
I thought he played very well Saturday rescued Dunne a couple of times
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Numerous times Gabby was playing well last season and didn't get called up, now he plays 1 and a half games and does!
On the strikers point Dave, well Davies is arguably playing better in the last few games than when he actually got called up so by that logic he should be called up.
Bothroyd in but no Jarvis or Downing, I think Capello should be pensioned off now.
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Time for el postino pat to pick up his P45. Look likely to lose to 'crisis France' with this squad.
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Ya, Im pretty sure Capello is just sticking pins in his list of eligable players and seeing what happens.
Yep.
Demob happy and lodged firmly in shits and giggles mode.
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Gabby's had to pull out with an injury.
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Gabby's had to pull out with an injury.
Hopefully its just one of those "Ryan Giggs friendly international injuries"
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Gabby's had to pull out with an injury.
Hopefully its just one of those "Ryan Giggs friendly international injuries"
Yep, we really do need a fit Gabby, so I see it as a good thing for Villa.......
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I would imagine that pretty much all of these injuries causing players to withdraw are convenience ones, to avoid a pointless friendly
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Warnock? He's been poor for a while now.
I thought he played very well Saturday rescued Dunne a couple of times
I'm not a big Warnock fan, but i thought Saturday was one of his better games.
As for the England game, what Paulie said. Players are pulling out of their squads for a reason. It's a poinltes game we could all do without.
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Warnock's not international standard but he did play well on Saturday.
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Gabby giving it a miss can only be a plus for us, considering his lay-off it seemed a bit odd to pick him in the first place.
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Warnock's not international standard but he did play well on Saturday.
What exactly does 'international standard' mean? Mustapha Salifou and Stern John are international standard.
Even if you limit the criteria to 'England standard' then the likes of Michael Carrick, Chris Smalling, Frank Fielding, Glen Johnson and Jay Bothroyd are England standard.
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Warnock's not international standard but he did play well on Saturday.
I think at his best - like the first part of last season- he's plenty good enough.
Perhaps not to start but certainly as deputy to Cashly Cole.
Problem is we haven't seen that form anywhere near enough this year - Man U apart. We'll see if he can maintain it - I hope it's not just getting himself up for the big games and then phoning it in v Blackburn and the like.