Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: lovejoy on November 11, 2010, 04:01:34 PM
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I see Holloway is threatening to resign if he's done for fielding an under strength side.
Two points:
- every time a manager is under scrutiny are they going to threaten to leave/not talk to media a la Redknapp? If so I'd be interested to see if any actually carry this out
- if he gets punished for changing the team will this rule also apply to Big 4 teams who do this regularly? If they don't charge him how is that consistent with Wolves being fined last season?
The FA have made a rod for their own back on this one.
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If they are asking for 25 players to be named before the start of the season and you use any of those 25 players in a game , then its OK...
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If they are asking for 25 players to be named before the start of the season and you use any of those 25 players in a game , then its OK...
This. It's quite simply isn't it!
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If they are asking for 25 players to be named before the start of the season and you use any of those 25 players in a game , then its OK...
Spot on. Who the manager puts in his team of 11 is up to him as long as they are from the 25.
The FA should be told to jog on.
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I'm no fan of Wolves, but the fact they did what Fergie has been doing for years was and got done over it was outrageous.
Also, it's too subjective to effectively police. Who's to say that Holloway did not objectively pick that side as the best one for the game when it's all about opinions?
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Totally agree with Holloway. If he had played the youth team then fair enough, but if they are in the squad then there is no argument. Also, if they take any action because a club has to play the "strongest possible team" then where is the line to be drawn? Should clubs have action taken for resting one player, three players or all eleven? Every team (except MON) rest players so if you can rest one player surely you can rest 11 if a manager desires?
It will onlyb end up managers "playing the game" with the FA if any action is taken and say throughout the week that player x,y,z have all taken knocks in training and are unavailable now.
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considering blackpool almost beat us aswell, Holloway does have an argument, and Wolves should be refunded the fine they paid if this is the case.
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If they are in the 25 man squad that has been submitted then they must be considered first team players.
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If they are asking for 25 players to be named before the start of the season and you use any of those 25 players in a game , then its OK...
fully agree, a 25 man squad is required---surely a manager/coach can select his team from this 25----Holloway said he "picked a side he thought could beat Aston Villa" and they very nearly did,!!!can,t see a problem,if it was Chelsea,Man City,Arsenal,Man Utd, then it would be called "squad rotation"--i say let Holloway get on with it,take a train mr. premier league!!!!!!!
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My only problem with saying that they must come from the 25 players named as the squad is that the end of the season, if you have nothing to play for, you might want to try a few youngsters out. This would stop you doing it.
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yeah I totally agree with Holloway, so If Blackpool had beat us would the FA have still threatened to fined Blackpool?
I mean they outplayed us first half and were minutes from getting at least a point.
Did Wolves actually get fined last season i thought it was a suspended fine? But in doing that the FA have made a rod for their own back you sometimes wonder whats happened to common sense these days
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considering blackpool almost beat us aswell, Holloway does have an argument, and Wolves should be refunded the fine they paid if this is the case.
The fine was suspended so they've paid nothing.
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I'm with Holloway and McCarthy on this one - surely the manager picks the team
and not the idiots in the Premier League
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I've just heard Holloway's after match interview (most of it anyway). Quite agree with what he has to say. All players train together and he picked who he thought could do a job bearing in mind travel and play us last night and travel back and then tomorrow have to travel to London for the West Ham game.
Also, like others have said, my thoughts are that all teams had to name a 25 man squad at the beginning of the season so, as long as those who played last night are in that 25, he is just using his squad - rather like other teams do.
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Rather like all champions league teams do on a regular basis before an important midweek match. I can't see the problem doing it either, it is utter madness.
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The problem here is that they set a precedent when they fined Wolves (albeit only £25,000) last season. They now have to do the same to Blackpool, whether it's right or wrong. It's a joke that Wolves were fined in the first place, but that's the Premier League for you.
If I was Blackpool chairman, I'd turn up at PL HQ and pay the fine in person, in coppers.
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I'm sure McCarthy admitted it last season, so was fined for being honest. Holloway can't be fined because he's claimed he sent out his best 11 for that game. If he is fined then the FA should fine Manure every time Rooney is fit but not playing, the same goes for every club in the PL.
Is it just me though or are Holloways rants becoming a bit tiresome. Don't get me wrong I like him, but he's starting to become a parody of himself.
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Is it just me though or are Holloways rants becoming a bit tiresome. Don't get me wrong I like him, but he's starting to become a parody of himself.
yeah his novelty's starting to dissapear now for me
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Is it just me though or are Holloways rants becoming a bit tiresome. Don't get me wrong I like him, but he's starting to become a parody of himself.
He was out of order the way he turned on Pat Murphy on the radio last night. He only asked a straightforward question. This whole West Country yokel schtick of his has always rubbed me up the wrong way anyway.
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Well, well,well...the FA sticking it to the smaller clubs. Hands up all those that are suprised. Anyone? Anyone?
The sooner these fuckwits at the FA retire/change jobs/get hit by a bus, the better football will be.
As has been said, if you've submitted a list of 25 players you intend to use, them let's not act suprised when they get used.
If the governing bodies of football are going to offer such fantastical monetary rewards based on finishing place, then they've no right to be acting all taken-aback when clubs use whatever tools and strategies they have to get at that money.
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He was out of order the way he turned on Pat Murphy on the radio last night. He only asked a straightforward question. This whole West Country yokel schtick of his has always rubbed me up the wrong way anyway.
Oi !!
It great to have a manager that I can understand, rather than all those cock-a-knees, Geordies ans Scousers
Having said that, his reaction to Pat on Wednesday was bordering on paranoia. Ollie must have known that someone would bring up the Wolves question. In fact, Pat said that he was last in line to interview the "Bard of Bristol" and that everyone else might have asked the same.
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My only problem with saying that they must come from the 25 players named as the squad is that the end of the season, if you have nothing to play for, you might want to try a few youngsters out. This would stop you doing it.
The rule does allow for unlimited players under 21 on top of the 25, so you could still do that.
It was mentioned on Talksport last night and they read out the rule, which was 'strongest possible team', so as someone else said resting 1 or all 11 breaks this. That means the top sides should be fined every game.