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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: stevenjos on November 10, 2010, 09:40:38 PM
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So where was he tonight? Has he told Houllier what were all thinking?
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He needs to be playing.
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So where was he tonight? Has he told Houllier what were all thinking?
I'm pretty sure that very few people are thinking what you're thinking.
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So where was he tonight? Has he told Houllier what were all thinking?
I'm pretty sure that very few people are thinking what you're thinking.
Beat me to it!
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Reminds me of Dracula Howard's Conservative Election poster 'Are You Thinking What We're Thinking'.
Or have I made that poster up?
The overweight out of form sod wants dropping... I was about to start a thread entitled Richard Dunne but here will do. If GHou wants a useless overweight defender I'm willing to do it for a lot less than £50K a week.
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How Dunne is getting picked in front of Carlos at the moment is beyond me.
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So where was he tonight? Has he told Houllier what were all thinking?
I'm pretty sure that very few people are thinking what you're thinking.
im sure most are: He should be playing.
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Dunne has to be dropped, and we need to sign another left back because Warnock is a liability.
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Houllier needs to seriously sort this out. If he isn't out for a genuine reason then that is immediately one flaw of his already. The same with our previous manager - has his favourites.
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So where was he tonight? Has he told Houllier what were all thinking?
I'm pretty sure that very few people are thinking what you're thinking.
I would believe on this point most of us are thinking the same thing. As I mentioned in the match thread. He seems to be Houliers Luke Young (which is pretty ironic). He has done nothing wrong and yet appears to be out the side as the manager seems not to fancy him even though the player ahead of him is not worthy of a start.
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So where was he tonight? Has he told Houllier what were all thinking?
I'm pretty sure that very few people are thinking what you're thinking.
im sure most are: He should be playing.
No, fair point. Most people are probably on board with that.
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So where was he tonight? Has he told Houllier what were all thinking?
I'm pretty sure that very few people are thinking what you're thinking.
im sure most are: He should be playing.
I'm going to take this once in a lifetime opportunity to agree with you.
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How Dunne is getting picked in front of Carlos at the moment is beyond me.
Same here.
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Houllier needs to seriously sort this out. If he isn't out for a genuine reason then that is immediately one flaw of his already. The same with our previous manager - has his favourites.
I think the difference here is that there was an argument for Carlos at RB as we were quite sound defensively when he was. I don't see that argument at all with Cuellar v Dunne at the moment.
I'm not writing Dunne off, but form should dictate the change.
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Houllier needs to seriously sort this out. If he isn't out for a genuine reason then that is immediately one flaw of his already. The same with our previous manager - has his favourites.
I think the difference here is that there was an argument for Carlos at RB as we were quite sound defensively when he was. I don't see that argument at all with Cuellar v Dunne at the moment.
I'm not writing Dunne off, but form should dictate the change.
Absolutely. He has been carrying a bit of weight and is clearly out of form. Why keep him in the team?
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Houllier needs to seriously sort this out. If he isn't out for a genuine reason then that is immediately one flaw of his already. The same with our previous manager - has his favourites.
I think the difference here is that there was an argument for Carlos at RB as we were quite sound defensively when he was. I don't see that argument at all with Cuellar v Dunne at the moment.
I'm not writing Dunne off, but form should dictate the change.
I agree with that. There was a slim justification for Cuellar playing there and the costs and benefits were clear. This is less justified as there are only costs to the continued selection of Dunne.
Sadly, I just think short of Dunne getting injured, nothing will get Carlos into the team.
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Sadly, I just think short of Dunne getting injured, nothing will get Carlos into the team.
And even when Dunne has been injured he picked Ciaran ahead of him.
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Carlos is our best central-defender easily - how is not getting into the team?
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He's doing a good job in midfield playing in front of the back four.
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Carlos is our best central-defender easily - how is not getting into the team?
It might have something to do with the fact that he's injured with a calf strain and will not be fit for the Man Utd game either. To make matters worse, Beye twisted his ankle in the warm up tonight.
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Carlos is our best central-defender easily - how is not getting into the team?
It might have something to do with the fact that he's injured with a calf strain and will not be fit for the Man Utd game either. To make matters worse, Beye twisted his ankle in the warm up tonight.
Fawk... I had no idea King Carlos was injured. And Beye injured too?! This is just mental with all our injuries - it's beyond freak of nature. Get well soon ASAP...
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Carlos is our best central-defender easily - how is not getting into the team?
It might have something to do with the fact that he's injured with a calf strain and will not be fit for the Man Utd game either. To make matters worse, Beye twisted his ankle in the warm up tonight.
Bloody hell. Do I need to book a flight? I've got a slight hammy, but I'll struggle through.
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I don't know if its true or not but I heard he stormed out last night after finding out he was on the bench & I heard it from a good source
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I don't know if its true or not but I heard he stormed out last night after finding out he was on the bench & I heard it from a good source
he is injured
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I wonder if Carlos's lack of composure and comfort on the ball goes against him. I accept that neither Dunne nor Collins are Beckenbaueresque at the back but both are happy to take the ball from the keeper and build the play.
He is obviously a big fan of Clarke for that reason.
I think most would pick him at centre half at the moment but throughout his time here both O'Neill and Houllier have not seen him as a first choice for that spot.
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I don't know if its true or not but I heard he stormed out last night after finding out he was on the bench & I heard it from a good source
he is injured
I just presumed that when he wasn't even on the bench. Good to know and hopefully back soon, he should play.
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I don't know if its true or not but I heard he stormed out last night after finding out he was on the bench & I heard it from a good source
Think I mentioned it before but I'd heard from a good source that Carlos wanted out not long after Houllier had joined us. He was in Spain at the time and he supposedly didn't even want to come back from there.
Will be interesting to see what happens in the January transfer window.
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When he get's over is injury i would drop Dunne and put Cuellar in instead.
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We have a new manager with new ideas, as soon as GH joined us we started to play more balls along the ground, Carlos as good a defender as he is has not got a clue about distribution thats why he's not in the side.
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I don't know if its true or not but I heard he stormed out last night after finding out he was on the bench & I heard it from a good source
A good source??
I love all these good sources from VP that tell things to fans.
These security guards and waiters etc. that hear things on the grapevine... love it!
So our injury list now reads; Delph, Carew, Heskey, Beye, Cuellar, Sidwell, Reo Coker, Petrov!!! inc. Ireland who might aswell be injured as he's tat & doesn't want to be here...
So really, with a senior central midfielder being a 5ft nothing Barry Bannan - there's not much cause for complaint at present. Considering we're on the same points as Spuds with their amazing squad??
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I feel a bit sorry for Carlos as i think he's our best Cb,in his only league game under GH he played really well and looked solid,and the way Dunne is playing at the minute,Carlos should be in the team.
So it's not just M'ON who couldn't see the bleeding obvious loss of form of some players.
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HP is a good sauce.
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HP is a good sauce.
I prefer Daddys!!
My vote (like others) is that despite his solid defending, Ged is trying to play more of passing game from back to front.
Cuellar is our best defender but worst passer! This is the reason that Dunne is playing, however I would be playing him and telling him to give it straight to Collins wherever possible.
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Carlos was on the bench at Fulham and should have been brought on at least for the final minutes as Fulham threw everything at us. I think he is the best at dealing with high balls into the box so we may not have lost that goal at the death. I think that was such a blindingly obvious need for a substitution and bad management that it didn't happen.
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I don't know if its true or not but I heard he stormed out last night after finding out he was on the bench & I heard it from a good source
A good source??
I love all these good sources from VP that tell things to fans.
These security guards and waiters etc. that hear things on the grapevine... love it!
So our injury list now reads; Delph, Carew, Heskey, Beye, Cuellar, Sidwell, Reo Coker, Petrov!!! inc. Ireland who might aswell be injured as he's tat & doesn't want to be here...
So really, with a senior central midfielder being a 5ft nothing Barry Bannan - there's not much cause for complaint at present. Considering we're on the same points as Spuds with their amazing squad??
Im actually friendlyl with one of the stewards and it was him that told me, he's told me a few things in the past that have turned out to be spot on. Im not saying its correct im just passing on what I heard and he wasn't the only person I heard it from.
If im wrong then fine but I'm only passing on what I heard
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Cuellar is unlucky not to be in the team. However, I feel that the decision to drop Dunne in favour of Carlos is not as straightforward as some believes. Firstly, Dunne has made some costly error, but overall he has not been as dismal as portrayed on this forum. Secondly, Dunne and Collins have more complimentary skills than Cuellar and Collins, and Houllier tends to apply a more holistic approach to team selection than some managers. Thirdly, neither Cullar nor Collins are too comfortable when in possession, and that is a drawback considering the style GH wants to implement.
Yes, the primary purpose of defenders is to defend. And yes, I agree that Cuellar is right to feel hard done by. However, I disagree with the view that GH's selection of Dunne is completely impossible to understand.
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Houllier tends to apply a more holistic approach to team selection than some managers.
So the manager of the Villa is "Dirk Gently" ?
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Cuellar is our best defender but worst passer!
I like to see a balanced side, but that's not just about left footers on the left etc. - it's also a balance between grafters and flair players, strength and speed. Houllier has favoured NRC in the centre, despite a lack of passing ability, because of the other things he brings to the side. So I'd like to think he could make this decision as well to give us more defensive strength in sacrifice for some passing from the back.
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We wouldn't have conceded either goal last night if Carlos was playing. Dunne had a very poor game and has looked suspect this season compared to last.
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He's another injury victim.
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i have never rated cuellar, so im not bothered hes not in the team when fit....
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He's injured! answers last nights query, but if he is, then surely we need Davies back as backup!
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How Dunne is getting picked in front of Carlos at the moment is beyond me.
.. and me too. Admittedly, I only saw the highlights, but I think that we are letting in a too few silly goals for my liking and we could do with him.
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He's injured! answers last nights query, but if he is, then surely we need Davies back as backup!
Whats wrong with him?
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Calf injury. Will be out for Saturday as well.
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Calf injury. Will be out for Saturday as well.
Cheers, I couldn't find it, Its not on physio room
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He's injured! answers last nights query, but if he is, then surely we need Davies back as backup!
We have just let Leicester have him until Jan so I don't think that will happen unless someone else gets crocked, of which the chances are high.
Dunne won't be dropped at the moment, not now that he's captain because of the injuries.
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It's Collins who should be dropped for Carlos, not Dunne. Collins is constantly chasing the ball and getting out of position, often getting in Dunne's way like for last night's second equaliser. I think Dunne had an awful start to the season but in the last couple of games has started to improve.
And there is no way Collins is better on the ball. How many times does he hand back possession to the opposition by trying some long-range flashy pass that doesn't come off? Pretty damn often. He should play it simple and retain the ball.
I think Dunne and Cuellar are a better pairing. Cuellar's far better positionally than Collins, leaving Dunne to concentrate on his own job without finding his centre-back partner in his way.
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Cuellar is now injured and will miss the Man Utd game and maybe be back for Blackburn.
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Can't agree with that as I think Collins has been far better than Dunne so far this season. But do agree he needs to stop thinking he's the ginger Beckenbauer sometimes and play it more simply.
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Warnock is our weak link at the moment.
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Warnock is our weak link at the moment.
Well we know Carlos can play (somewhat) at full-back.....
/please god no.
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He's injured! answers last nights query, but if he is, then surely we need Davies back as backup!
Maybe the steward, waitress, turnstile operator & Hercules will get selected before
we ask Curtis to return ?
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He's injured! answers last nights query, but if he is, then surely we need Davies back as backup!
Maybe the steward, waitress, turnstile operator & Hercules will get selected before
we ask Curtis to return ?
probably before carlos at this rate!
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HP is a good sauce.
Traitor!
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Warnock crocked Beye in the warm up as well.
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I like Carlos and would be sad to see him go. But his attributes are an irrelevance if he doesn't fit into the managers system.
You can't please all of the people all of the time. We want to keep the ball better - and the likes of Cuellar certainly won't let us do that.
But on top form I'd argue that as a centre half goes, he arguably our best, so hope Houllier still sees a role for him...
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i have never rated cuellar, so im not bothered hes not in the team when fit....
Never rated our best defender? That's a bit odd.
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Carlos has been really hard done by. Great game v Wolves then dropped and seen the 2 centre halves hardly cover themselves in glory. Also played out of position for so much of last season. I'd love to see him given a decent run at centre half.
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So would I, but he is currently injured.
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So would I, but he is currently injured.
I am aware of that. Thanks.