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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 10, 2010, 08:02:48 AM
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Available Wednesday night.
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Well done gang.
Good game, deserved three points.
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Phew! 3 points. We are on our way now!
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Well we are upto 10th. Bolton are 5th!?!
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Well we deserved to win but very lucky at the same time, we need to be so much more clinical. Also we need to stop making horrific fuck ups late in the game. Carlos should be back in the centre of defence.
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All this last minute/late in the game crap is no good for me.
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Made hard work of that.
It's all very well sitting tight and playing on the break - and we do look very good coming forward - but if we're going to dplay that way we've got to more solid defensively. This was Blackpool reserves and they still managed to create a number of very good chances.
The defence is the one area where we haven't got injury problems and it's the one area where we looked very shakey tonight.
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Struggled to win that against Blackpool Reserves, grateful 3 points but pathetic!
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Well that was cack, again. Blackpool reserves and we scraped a win, and yet another late goal conceded.
Warnock is a liability and Dunne should be dropped.
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A much needed win and deserved to. Not sure why Fonz's goal was disallowed, he just seemed stronger than the defender.
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Should have scored 4-5 today. There-in lies the problem. If we give away silly goals because of slack defending, then we gotta take our own chances. Collins redeemed himself, but Dunney needs dropping.
Barry B did well again. Downing was excellent. Ash was excellent 2nd half. Fonzie played okay and took his goal excellently. Gabby aint quite there yet, that's obvious.
Ireland looks a shell of a player right now. I don't think he appreciates Houlliers approach to man management. But he needs to man the fuck up and concentrate on his game. You feel he needs a goal to kick on.
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fair play to Blackpool they played some great football. We deserved to win but only barely which is very worrying. Collins got the winner but was horrific for both their goals I thought. Phillips roasted Warnock all night - Warnock has to be dropped and bring in Beye. Thought our midfield two in particular Clark struggled tonight. We were dangerous down the flanks though and Young was very good in the second half. I know Gabby needs match practice but I felt the Fonz should have been left on longer as he was dangerous. Ireland's powder puff tackle in the build up to their second was embarrassing.
Friedel 6
Young 6
Collins 5
Dunne 6
Warnock 3
Albrighton 7
Bannan 6
Clark 5
Downing 8
Young 8
Fonz 7
Gabby 5
Ireland 5
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We created a lot of chances, but we have to score a much higher percentage. Also as an aside we would have had 4 had the referee not been diabolical.
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Also as an aside we would have had 4 had the referee not been diabolical.
Make that 5!
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Great game but nervous stuff.
Good stuff from Ash and Downing tonight. Nice for Fonz to get a goal.
I don't know what Dunne needs to do to get dropped but I'd like him to do it. Never mind Cuellar, Dunne has been so abject at times I'd take Davies back! Warnock has been awful for a year as well. Whatever happened to Shane Lowry?
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Talk about making things difficult. There are a few who need a major kick up the arse.
Well done the young lads and Downing is starting to look like a player.
Nerves shot to bits.
Not looking forward to Saturday.
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I think we'll be in serious trouble after the next 4 games, Man Utd, Blackburn, Arsenal and Liverpool, we'll be lucky to get a point the way we're playing and how shambolic our defence is.
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I thought. Phillips roasted Warnock all night - Warnock has to be dropped and bring in Beye.
Erm no, not after the last two times. The kids seem to have done well when coming in. Don't we have a Left back in the reserves to play that position?
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Also as an aside we would have had 4 had the referee not been diabolical.
Make that 5!
I wouldn't count the penalty. We have no one who can score from one.
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Still waiting for 3-3.
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Couldn't get a stream, was just waiting for ye lot to start a torrent of ''FFS Villa you useless fuckwits'' when we were 2-1 up and in the dying minutes. And lo and behold. For once we got a late winner, it rarely happens. But there is an awful lot to sort out by the sounds of things.
Amazingly we are joint 7th, all of the other results have gone our way tonight, could have done with Everton and Bolton staying scoreless but that aside...we either learn and improve or we don't which will mean we plummet again.
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We need to massively improve in defence and centre midfield to stand a chance in next few games.
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I wouldn't count the penalty. We have no one who can score from one.
Good point, well made.
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We need to massively improve in defence and centre midfield to stand a chance in next few games.
And, er, up front. So that leaves the goalkeeping position sorted then. (granted we scored 3 tonight, but you know what i mean)
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Everton equalised :)
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Our kids just called me on his way back to his car railing about how fucking useless we are, before I had to stop him and tell him that we'd won 3-2.
It made me laugh, a lot.
Well done lads. 3 points is 3 points. Get Cuellar in for Dunne and we're fine.
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Had to miss the match tonight due to a late work do up north. Listened to the radio driving back and nearly pulled the off/on knob out at the frustration of what I thought was another 3 points thrown away. I dare to think what you lot said on the match thread at that point.
Only found out the final score by logging on here ...so delighted!
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Amazingly we are joint 7th, all of the other results have gone our way tonight, could have done with Everton and Bolton staying scoreless but that aside...we either learn and improve or we don't which will mean we plummet again.
Everton have equalised. Jermaine beckford (hark you can here coopers injury cumming)
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Our kids just called me on his way back to his car railing about how fucking useless we are, before I had to stop him and tell him that we'd won 3-2.
It made me laugh, a lot.
Well done lads. 3 points is 3 points. Get Cuellar in for Dunne and we're fine.
That'll teach him to leave early.
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Nice to see Gabby back too. And Fonzie scoring!
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Our kids just called me on his way back to his car railing about how fucking useless we are, before I had to stop him and tell him that we'd won 3-2.
It made me laugh, a lot.
Well done lads. 3 points is 3 points. Get Cuellar in for Dunne and we're fine.
That'll teach him to leave early.
To be fair, he's got to go to work now for 10 hours.
He said I was lucky to be speaking to him because his phone nearly went down the Trinity staircase.
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Warnock in another shit game shocker. I can see him going out the door as well.
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
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Pat Murphy reckons it was the best game he's seen at VP in ages. Mind you, I wouldn't agree with Pat Murphy about the colour of shit
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Thank god for Collins. If we'd have drawn that game through another bloody late goal I would have collapsed into a sobbing heap, tempered with a mixture of rage and despair.
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
He is every bit as crap as Warnock.
Besides, I don't think he will take a pay cut to come out of semi-retirement.
I'd have a look at Izaguierre at Celtic who we were linked with the other day but hope we'd look further afield than the surfeit of average options available in the UK.
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We're joint sixth after a dodgy start to the season. If we can get things together at the back we could have a decent season.
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We needed a win. We got a win. And for the most part this week the other results were very favourable. All in all good.
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Three unbeaten game in a row and we are in good position in the table, with Spurs and Pool; if we had kept the three points that we deserved at Fulham we'd be fifth, and having played the last games without Gabby and Emile. The manager is doing a good job.
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
I'd go for someone at least semi-competent.
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Lets see if he's doing a good job when we don't win any of our next 4 league games and we're hovering around the relegation zone. I'll be surprised if we draw one let alone win any.
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As Italian TV didn't transmit the game for the coincidence with the Serie A, just wondering with which formation did we play today:
4-4-1 with 4 midfielders, Young in the hole and the Fonz upfront?
Or 4-2-3-1 with Bannan and Clark behind Albrighton, Young and Downing and The Fonz lonely forward?
That may be important to understand how we'll play the next games. . .
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If we'd have drawn that game through another bloody late goal I would have collapsed into a sobbing heap, tempered with a mixture of rage and despair.
I love H&V
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Just got back in. A good game and three valuable points.
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Pat Murphy reckons it was the best game he's seen at VP in ages. Mind you, I wouldn't agree with Pat Murphy about the colour of shit
It is quite variable!
But seriously the bloke's never had a kind word to say about us.
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
I'd go for someone at least semi-competent.
Agrred. I want GH to find us the new Evra, not the new Warnock. Bridge isn't an upgrade.
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Lets see if he's doing a good job when we don't win any of our next 4 league games and we're hovering around the relegation zone. I'll be surprised if we draw one let alone win any.
"Happineth, Hapineth, the greatesth gith that I posseth"
Cheer up lad, you never know, and we have just won.
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
I'd go for someone at least semi-competent.
Agrred. I want GH to find us the new Evra, not the new Warnock. Bridge isn't an upgrade.
Whenever my smallest boy takes one of his Lego men and turns his hair sideways, I think of Wayne Bridge. The one-footed little asymmetric-haired cuckold
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
I'd go for someone at least semi-competent.
So it's Lichaj at RB and Luke Young at LB.
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
I'd go for someone at least semi-competent.
So it's Lichaj at RB and Luke Young at LB.
I'd go that against Man Yoo with Cuellar in the middle. The only problem being right footers right across the back four... Unless we put Clark in at CB and Collins in midfield.
Whatever happened to Lowry? Or what about that left back in the babbies... Can't remember his name but he reminded me of Freddie.
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Agree with most that Dunne was poor but Collins was worse. Completely to blame for their first goal, pathetic defending. The second where he again gets pulled out of position, charges in to Dunne so that neither of them win the ball, leaving it very easy for Blackpool to shoot and score. Carlos has to come back into the centre of defence, I don't care whether it's to replace Dunne or Collins, as long as he does.
Warnock doesn't look half the player we signed last season, he really needs to step up a level. Not sure how many yellow cards he has now but a ban can't be far off. I thought Luke Young had a great game and really should have done better with his shot. Still compared to the other 3 in defence, he can hold his head up high on tonights performance.
Great to see Gabby back and the Fonz get off the mark. There's plenty of room for improvement all over the pitch but tonight left me feeling how much me miss a Barry or Milner type to drive the game for us. Still, 3 points is 3 points and we can only improve.
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As Italian TV didn't transmit the game for the coincidence with the Serie A, just wondering with which formation did we play today:
4-4-1 with 4 midfielders, Young in the hole and the Fonz upfront?
Or 4-2-3-1 with Bannan and Clark behind Albrighton, Young and Downing and The Fonz lonely forward?
That may be important to understand how we'll play the next games. . .
A bit of both - but mainly the second one.
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
I'd go for someone at least semi-competent.
Agrred. I want GH to find us the new Evra, not the new Warnock. Bridge isn't an upgrade.
Whenever my smallest boy takes one of his Lego men and turns his hair sideways, I think of Wayne Bridge. The one-footed little asymmetric-haired cuckold
I reckon they made him watch.
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
Yes, me too. With my fist...absolutely useless, quite possibly worse than Warnock
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After yet another ***** *' * **** ** **** **''
I have 2 things to say - James Collins - you have redeemed yourself
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Who needs barry when we got barry bannan!!
Whooooo barry bannan
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Entertaining game and a good win which we deserved.
We need a holding player, and quick. Clark wasn't holding his position well enough (although he did well) but they were getting through time and time again.
Warnock was poor. I thought Albrighton, Downing and Ashley played pretty well (the first two especially).
Gabby looked full of beans when he came on, which is a plus. Fonz was decent enough and his goal (and one wrongly disallowed, I think?) should give him confidence should he start on Saturday.
Bannan was quiet but thought he kept things ticking over.
All in all a good day at the office and good to get the 3 points we needed before entering a very tough run of fixtures.
Stay around midtable by January and we'll have a decent chance of a top 7 finish... Hopefully we'll still be in both cups!
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The positives are there people. In Albrighton we've found someone who offers the work rate Milner offered, and has quality to beat a man. In Bannan we've got someone who can actually look for a pass and keep us ticking over.
We need a pair of midfielders, a holding player and a Milner replacement and obviously a forward.
We're in 7th and look at the team we've had to put out. It's ridiculous. I'm very happy with what I've seen of Ged's reign so far.
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There's a decent RB at West Brom - Nicky Sh...oh, hang on...
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I'd go for Wayne Bridge.
I'd go for someone at least semi-competent.
Aye, it's full back. It's a position we need someone solid there. Someone strong in the tackle, who knows the position and is decent in possession should be enough.
We should be looking at getting the next Ilunga/Figueroa/Enrique/Givet for a couple of million than spending 6 or 7million on an average, ageing Englishman on about 60k a week.
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Quality game to watch for the neutral, but not for us Villa fans. Collins redeemed himself with the winner because he was at fault for both our goals tonight. Midfield too lightweight, and Delfounso couldn't hold the ball up, which put our defense under severe pressure at times.
On the plus side I thought we played some really good stuff, and both Albrighton and A Young were excellent.
Thank god for the 3 points!
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Three very welcome points and (by all accounts) a cracking game, I'm happy with that.
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Thought it would be a good game, bearing in mind Blackpool's attacking style, and it was.
Nail biting at times, but good entertainment.
My concerns regarding Ireland are still there. Still, there's time for improvement.
I'm waiting for the game to come on MoTD2 but could somebody enlighten me as to why that goal was disallowed?
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I thought that was our worst performance under GH, truly crap.
We got out of jail with the Collins goal (which i heard go in as i emerged onto Trinity Road, having left after their second). I fucking knew it ... when he came on, I said to my friend "That wanker Campbell will score". So predictable.
Warnock looks fucking awful
Dunne looks like an accident waiting to happen of late
Goal apart, Collins was poor.
Ireland looked woeful in his brief cameo
Gabby at least made them work a bit harder at the back
Barry did well, as did Albrighton
I know we've terrible injury problems, and any manager would struggle with an injury list like that, but Christ on a bike, we don't half make things hard for ourselves sometimes. You just knew with less than ten minutes left, when all we had to do was keep the ball and stifle the game, that we would just keep giving it back to them, which is exactly what we did, and look what happened.
Still, fuck it, three points were absolutely vital this evening, and we got them. It was almost much, much worse.
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A good battling win all said and done, even if we conceded late goals again.
At least this time we scored even later on and saved the 3 points.
GH looks as though he hasn't slept for weeks in his post match interview, he looks worse than Grant does with black bags under his eyes. But then if we make it so hard to beat Blackpool's reserves what will he look like after the next 4 games.
Still 3 points is 3 points, a win is a win, and do we need both
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Ireland's poor tackle gave the ball away which led to the 2nd equaliser. He owes Collins big time.
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I thought that was our worst performance under GH, truly crap.
I thought the game against the Blose was our worst. That was absolutely dire.
I thought tonight there was some entertaining football at times. Blackpool made us work hard for the points, but, hey, we got them.
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I thought that was our worst performance under GH, truly crap.
I thought the game against the Blose was our worst. That was absolutely dire.
Fair comment. I wasn't at that match, and avoided the "highlights"
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I thought that was our worst performance under GH, truly crap.
I thought the game against the Blose was our worst. That was absolutely dire.
Fair comment. I wasn't at that match, and avoided the "highlights"
You rightly put "highlights". There weren't any.
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I think some of the criticism has been a bit harsh given the amount of young players in the side. I think they equipped themselves very well and moved the ball around excellently at times.
League games at home are not a formality. Teams make you work for everything as Blackpool did tonight. I'm delighted with the points.
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I think some of the criticism has been a bit harsh given the amount of young players in the side. I think they equipped themselves very well and moved the ball around excellently at times.
League games at home are not a formality. Teams make you work for everything as Blackpool did tonight. I'm delighted with the points.
Personally, I think the youngsters have done themselves proud. Some of our senior defenders need to stand up and be counted.
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I thought that was our worst performance under GH, truly crap.
I thought the game against the Blose was our worst. That was absolutely dire.
Fair comment. I wasn't at that match, and avoided the "highlights"
She's a woman but she's right.
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I know that 3 points is 3 points but for me the manner of that victory was pathetic. We have injuries, but looking at the team sheet we played no more than three players who wouldn't normally get into the side. Compare to Blackpool who made ten changes. So a mostly first team Villa struggled to a 3-2 win against Blackpool reserves.
To be pegged back in such circumstances, not once but twice, the comical defending, the whole hysteria around our winner, the whistling for full time by our fans. It was pathetic.
We are Aston Villa. We should be better than that.
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That was defiantly our worst game under Houllier, we kept giving the ball away, making the wrong desicion when in their box. There were sonmany occasions when we could of shot instead we tried to pass through 5 players.
But I'm happy, things are looking good, we cannot expect great things every game off our youngsters. But they are playing well and it's only a matter of time before we start putting our chances away.
On Delfouneso he looked like he had no confidence to me and was abit slow to react in certain situations, but he took his goal well (how many times did Gabby not score in that situation last season) I do have high hopes for him.
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God knows what Collins tried to do. If he had tried to get in front of Harewood rather then trying to play him offside he would have stopped the goal.
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I know we've terrible injury problems, and any manager would struggle with an injury list like that, but Christ on a bike, we don't half make things hard for ourselves sometimes.
Christ on a bike? :-)
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Good interview with Holloway after the match. Hope Blackpool stay up.
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It must be great fun to be a Blackpool fan this season. How many goals have been scored in their games this season?
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I know we've terrible injury problems, and any manager would struggle with an injury list like that, but Christ on a bike, we don't half make things hard for ourselves sometimes.
Christ on a bike? :-)
Ma, porca puttana!
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Delfouneso should have had two, he did nothing wrong in the disallowed goal, just got the run on the defender.
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Watching the highlights there is one thing I'm glad Houlier has done. He has stopped us doing only in swinging corners. Our two best corners were Downing from the left which, until today, was where Ash used to do Keeper catching practice from.
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Delfouneso should have had two, he did nothing wrong in the disallowed goal, just got the run on the defender.
I could not see why the goal was disallowed at the time and after watching it on MotD I am still none the wiser.
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A bit sloppy and a fair bit of Keystone cops defending but a bonus is the kids had more experience and could form the nucleus of a very good team in the coming years, This period of injuries may be looked upon as a blessing in disguise in the future as we've had to blood the youngsters and they are taking to the task well.
When Dunne signed I thought we were getting a bit of a liability, he proved me wrong big time, now he's looking like his old self again.
Cuellar simply has to play.
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Defenders knew he was outjumped and acted like he had been pushed. Ref bought the fake. As an aside, there was nothing about the penalty decision on the BBC highlights. Was it a very good shout?
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Ma, porca puttana!
Your Italian is much better than my English, Pauliewalnuts!
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He lived in Milano for a couple of years, it should be.
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Watching the highlights there is one thing I'm glad Houlier has done. He has stopped us doing only in swinging corners. Our two best corners were Downing from the left which, until today, was where Ash used to do Keeper catching practice from.
I don't think Houllier can take credit for that one, Dunne and Collins made Downing take the outswinging corners instead of young in the 2nd half, they wanted him to hang it up cos they fancied their chances against their markers, and it certainly paid off
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We should be better than that.
I bet Wigan, Newcastle and Liverpool said the same thing. They ended up with nothing.
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Your English is far better than my Italian, Archie.
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Time for Dunne to sit a few out.
Or GH to beach him.
One of the two.
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He lived in Milano for a couple of years, it should be.
It's not.
Archie's English is better than my English. Innit.
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Defenders knew he was outjumped and acted like he had been pushed. Ref bought the fake. As an aside, there was nothing about the penalty decision on the BBC highlights. Was it a very good shout?
trevor francis though it was during the commentary. Was on the line of the box so a freekick at the minimum. Albrighton missed an absolute sitter aswell later on. He went pretty ballistic that the Fonz goal was disallowed. That was super play from Young.
Their full backs were absolutely rank to be fair.
Cant believe people on about Dunne. Collins was way worse tonight. Dunne was ok I thought. Dunne was also superb against Fulham. Maybe it was just an off night tonight with them as a partnership but I thought we struggled mainly because Phillips absolutely destroyed Warnock and our two in midfield struggled against them. Clark in particular was hardly in the game in the second half. Bannan was decent from handy ball but didnt demand it when we were under the cosh either.
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A bit sloppy and a fair bit of Keystone cops defending but a bonus is the kids had more experience and could form the nucleus of a very good team in the coming years, This period of injuries may be looked upon as a blessing in disguise in the future as we've had to blood the youngsters and they are taking to the task well.
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When Dunne signed I thought we were getting a bit of a liability, he proved me wrong big time, now he's looking like his old self again.
Cuellar simply has to play.
Agree with all that. An overdue win in an entertaining game, with some terrible defending. Dunne has been distinctly below par for a lot of this season.
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My Engerlish is better than your's.
Sorry. Gone off-topic.
I enjoyed the match today, especially the second half.
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Defenders knew he was outjumped and acted like he had been pushed. Ref bought the fake. As an aside, there was nothing about the penalty decision on the BBC highlights. Was it a very good shout?
trevor francis though it was during the commentary. Was on the line of the box so a freekick at the minimum. Albrighton missed an absolute sitter aswell later on. He went pretty ballistic that the Fonz goal was disallowed. That was super play from Young.
Their full backs were absolutely rank to be fair.
Cant believe people on about Dunne. Collins was way worse tonight. Dunne was ok I thought. Dunne was also superb against Fulham. Maybe it was just an off night tonight with them as a partnership but I thought we struggled mainly because Phillips absolutely destroyed Warnock and our two in midfield struggled against them. Clark in particular was hardly in the game in the second half. Bannan was decent from handy ball but didnt demand it when we were under the cosh either.
I have been disappointed with Dunne almost the whole season, but I agree, Collins was worse tonight (goal apart).
You're right, though, Warnock had a torrid time, and looks a shadow of the player he was when he first joined.
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Defenders knew he was outjumped and acted like he had been pushed. Ref bought the fake. As an aside, there was nothing about the penalty decision on the BBC highlights. Was it a very good shout?
trevor francis though it was during the commentary. Was on the line of the box so a freekick at the minimum. Albrighton missed an absolute sitter aswell later on. He went pretty ballistic that the Fonz goal was disallowed. That was super play from Young.
Their full backs were absolutely rank to be fair.
Cant believe people on about Dunne. Collins was way worse tonight. Dunne was ok I thought. Dunne was also superb against Fulham. Maybe it was just an off night tonight with them as a partnership but I thought we struggled mainly because Phillips absolutely destroyed Warnock and our two in midfield struggled against them. Clark in particular was hardly in the game in the second half. Bannan was decent from handy ball but didnt demand it when we were under the cosh either.
He very well should have done well against Fulham as they are powderpuff up front. With the exception of against Chelsea he has been rotten all season. Collins deserves more lee way as he has been very good all season APART from tonight.
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Watching the highlights there is one thing I'm glad Houlier has done. He has stopped us doing only in swinging corners. Our two best corners were Downing from the left which, until today, was where Ash used to do Keeper catching practice from.
Watching the highlights there is one thing I'm glad Houlier has done. He has stopped us doing only in swinging corners. Our two best corners were Downing from the left which, until today, was where Ash used to do Keeper catching practice from.
I don't think Houllier can take credit for that one, Dunne and Collins made Downing take the outswinging corners instead of young in the 2nd half, they wanted him to hang it up cos they fancied their chances against their markers, and it certainly paid off
You can hardly blame them, Blackpool failed to get numbers back to defend corners. They'd obviously been watching videos of how ineffective we've been on corners for the last 12 months.
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Just watching MOTD, no idea what Collins was doing with that first goal. Very unlike him.
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Lets see if he's doing a good job when we don't win any of our next 4 league games and we're hovering around the relegation zone. I'll be surprised if we draw one let alone win any.
Sergeant, take this man to the back of the lines. We want men who will fight and not let each other down.
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Lets see if he's doing a good job when we don't win any of our next 4 league games and we're hovering around the relegation zone. I'll be surprised if we draw one let alone win any.
Sergeant, take this man to the back of the lines. We want men who will fight and not let each other down.
He's wrong in the "surprised if we draw any" bit.
I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if we get a point against Man U. In fact, I shall be wagering a small amount to that effect with my local, friendly turf accountant.
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On the plus side, order is restored in Midlands mini league...
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Lets see if he's doing a good job when we don't win any of our next 4 league games and we're hovering around the relegation zone. I'll be surprised if we draw one let alone win any.
Sergeant, take this man to the back of the lines. We want men who will fight and not let each other down.
He's wrong in the "surprised if we draw any" bit.
I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if we get a point against Man U. In fact, I shall be wagering a small amount to that effect with my local, friendly turf accountant.
I may do the same. I don't get the we will be lucky to get draws in the next four. We seem almost destined to draw games (even tonight we were damned close!). I will be unsurprised if we draw all four to be honest.
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Just got back under 1 hour ago after getting something to eat on the way back so I've had plenty of time to reflect on tonight. First of all, whoever was the referee tonight should be ashamed - I was there and amongst many Villa fans witnessed how awful he was... if you think Clattenburg was bad watch this fella in the future. Plz tell me why Fonz's goal was disallowed (I had a perfect view in the North Stand Upper) and plz tell me why we didn't get a blatant peno and also plz explain why you didn't have the balls to give a yellow card for dickhead Blackpool player acting very pathetic.
Bannan, Albrighton, Young, Delfouneso, Downing and L.Young all played great tonight. Marc should of scored two goals period. But Albrighton was buzzing down the right-wing as usual and his performance was Grade A tonight, a goal would of got him an A+. Typical that Harewood scored and fucking disgraceful how we concede with minutes to play yet again - when will this crazy shit stop? Luckily Big Collins got us the winner from a corner... we could of easily scored another two from corners but I don't care; I just care we got those much needed 3 points and fighting back to get victory after I thought it was all over at 2-2.
We need to work on our finishing and stop conceding stupid goals in the last minute(s) but I'm a happy Villan tonight and also extra happy to see some nice results for us over the last two days.
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never been convinced about the Dunne Collins axis, but at least they are up for a battle, warnock is a worry so we are allways likely to concede, the team needs radical surgery we look forward to a season of scraping enough results to be mid table but a great chance to encourage the youngsters
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Apparently that referee is one of the chaps who has been reffing for four or five years and got "fast tracked" to the Premier League.
This is according to the (nice) chap who sits next to me, and is a ref himself, so tends to know said things, but may have been incorrect in saying this.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Taylor_(referee)
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Just watched the interviews on avtc. Christ, Gerard really looks tired, and a lot older than usual. Big bags under his eyes. I can't imagine the game was any good for his ticker either.
Fonzy was also interviewed and came across aswell, he said he's got to work hard to make it hard for Houllier to drop him even if his body-language, to a lot of people, suggests otherwise. I cringed when Woodward asked him if he believed in God (apparently Fonz points to the heavens when he scores. In a cooler way than Franky Lamps obviously). Anyway, Nathan, a little sheepishly, confirmed he did and that he was thankful that he's been given the opportunity to play for Villa.
So, there's one player that deej won't let his kids have on the back of their Villa shirt. ;D
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Apparently that referee is one of the chaps who has been reffing for four or five years and got "fast tracked" to the Premier League.
This is according to the (nice) chap who sits next to me, and is a ref himself, so tends to know said things, but may have been incorrect in saying this.
Under the "Pulis Act 2010" can we have him relegated?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Taylor_(referee)
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Lets see if he's doing a good job when we don't win any of our next 4 league games and we're hovering around the relegation zone. I'll be surprised if we draw one let alone win any.
I'll be surprised if you ever stop moaning.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Taylor_(referee)
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Woodward never ceases to amaze me. "Do you believe in God?" :o
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For what seems like the 3rd/4th game on the trot, the kids are doing superb, and the experienced Pro's like Dunne, Ash Young and Warnock are dreadful.
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I cringed when Woodward asked him if he believed in God (apparently Fonz points to the heavens when he scores. In a cooler way than Franky Lamps obviously). Anyway, Nathan, a little sheepishly, confirmed he did and that he was thankful that he's been given the opportunity to play for Villa.
Of course he does... all the best athlete's in the world do ;)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Taylor_(referee)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Taylor_(referee)
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He very well should have done well against Fulham as they are powderpuff up front. With the exception of against Chelsea he has been rotten all season. Collins deserves more lee way as he has been very good all season APART from tonight.
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Dunne came off after ten minutes against Chelsea ;)
Thought he was excellent in Sunderland too leaving aside the moment of madness. Collins has been very solid generally though thought he was a little iffy against Fulham and downright poor tonight.
Just think bashing Dunne is a little unfair at present. Especially considering Warnock's form. If Beye is fit, he should definitely be dropped against Man Utd and Young switched over. Buying Nicky Shorey for 5m and selling for 1m while buying Warnock for 8m was disastrous left back business by MON.
Hard to know who will be fit for the weekend, Gabby will start Id be thinking but will hardly last the 90 mins. With Petrov, Reo Coker and even Sidwell out the option to go with three in the middle is hardly there. Carrick and Fletcher could run our two young lads ragged, cant see Albrighton getting any change out of Evra either. I'd happily take a 0-0.
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We should be better than that.
I bet Wigan, Newcastle and Liverpool said the same thing. They ended up with nothing.
I bet their manager didn't drop ten of their players before those games.
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The biggest worry for me after last night is the form of Dunne. At least twice last night, whilst on the ball in defence, he rejected the option of an easy clearance and turned back into the Blackpool attacker.
On the first occasion, after rejecting a clearance up the line, he cleared across the face of the goal straight to a Blackpool player. On the second occasion he turned straight into the Blackpool player but luckily is was Marlon and the ball bounced out for a goal kick.
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Good interview with Holloway after the match. Hope Blackpool stay up.
Olly's post-match interview with Pat Murphy was a classic. I really like Olly and his attitude most of the time (although there's probably some West Country bias) but yesterday he came across as totally paranoid.
However, he was sensible in straight away defending his team selection (in amongst the rant, what he said actually made a lot of sense). The reason that McCarthy got in trouble last year was that he admitted that he was fielding a weakened team.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Taylor_(referee)
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When Wiki links have brackets, H&V tends to throw a wobbly. The best solution is to use "Tinyurl" or something similar and then post that link on here
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Only saw the highlights. I think ppl need to recognise thathaving 3 complete newbies in midfield, one of them a centre back, and another as our one fwd, would be considered green even by arsenal's standards. It's the form of the defence we should be most keen to rectify. Cuellar wasn't on the bench, is he injured? Would definitely bring him in. I still like warnock, but he has been erratic
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For what seems like the 3rd/4th game on the trot, the kids are doing superb, and the experienced Pro's like Dunne, Ash Young and Warnock are dreadful.
Ashley Young was our most threatening player throughout the game. Laid on the passes for the first two goals and linked the play up really well, especially in the second half.
Our gerneral problem was a lack of composure - Blackpool closed down well all over the pitch but we seemed to be outnumbered in the middle for much of the game so Bannan and Clark didn't get on the ball as much as in previous games.
The team lacks a bit of confidence which is why things got jittery towards the end - and the senior pros at the back were the ones that seemed the worst afflicted.
We were on a hiding to nothing tonight given the side Blackpool put out - and give them credit for the way they moved the ball around.
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Good result in the context of the side we're putting out, the kids played well but Dunne and Warnock were off colour and Ireland's 10 minute cameo was embarrasing.
Still, nice to get 3 points off the hook-a-duck bastards.
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Your English is far better than my Italian, Archie.
Que voce fala? eu nao entende nada....mas ver depois (amanha)
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Good result in the context of the side we're putting out, the kids played well but Dunne and Warnock were off colour and Ireland's 10 minute cameo was embarrasing.
Still, nice to get 3 points off the hook-a-duck bastards.
What? The side we put out??? What about Blackpool, it was their resrves. From where I was sitting, it wasn't very good. Long balls not finding their men, powder-puff tackling, giving the ball away - I can only remember 1 decent move we put together. We need to improve for the next set of games.
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Lets see if he's doing a good job when we don't win any of our next 4 league games and we're hovering around the relegation zone. I'll be surprised if we draw one let alone win any.
I'll be surprised if you ever stop moaning.
Yeah ! Whatabout when Houlier has lost 38 games in a row in a season. Do you think we will be relegated?.. Or 80 games in a row. He really is a bad manager, when he can't win 80 games in a row.
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I'd wager that was exactly the type of game we would have drawn under the previous administration, so the 3 points are nice. A LOT of work needs to be done to improve pretty much every area of the field though. Also, I think it's fair to say that downing is now proving his worth.
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Good result in the context of the side we're putting out, the kids played well but Dunne and Warnock were off colour and Ireland's 10 minute cameo was embarrasing.
Still, nice to get 3 points off the hook-a-duck bastards.
What? The side we put out??? What about Blackpool, it was their resrves. From where I was sitting, it wasn't very good. Long balls not finding their men, powder-puff tackling, giving the ball away - I can only remember 1 decent move we put together. We need to improve for the next set of games.
I was on my way from the Aeroport, and only got the end of 1st half. But - what I saw in 2nd half was play of a champion worthy..(untill 80 mins)
Who needs barry when we got Barry Bannan! We should have had a perfect goal and penalty as well.
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I like Holloway, even more after last night when he turned to the fourth official and asked "what was wrong with that?" after the Fonz's goal!
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I am happy that we have got three point's at last maybe we make thing's hard for ourselves but a win is a win.
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My dream of a 4-2 win should have come true! What was wrong with the Fonz's header?
From the highlights we look good going forward but defensively all at 6's and 7's!
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I thought the Fonz was woeful until his disallowed goal, looked slow, shot of confidence, didn't hold it up or win any headers, movement and awareness was dreadful, but then he finished his two chances tremendously and the ref robbed him of bagging a brace. He was then subbed very quickly which surprised me as that goal (those goals) I thought would have meant a confident and productive last half hour or so from him.
Considering we had a dozen or so players unavailable it was a good result and we should have had a pen and another goal which was wrongly chalked off. Dunne hitting the bar was one of a number of other chances we had so I'm not too depressed. But it was a really weak Blackpool team and they cut through us at will throughout, can't see us taking anything from Man U playing like that and with the players we have available.
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Did anyone hear Holloway on 5Live going off on one when the reporter just touched on the fact that Mick McCarthy got fined for fielding a weakened team last season? Bizarre.
I quite like Blackpool (the team, not the town) and what they've achieved but he comes across as a right prick at times.
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Fair go to Ash he ran his balls off second half, remember how many injuries we have, if we get through the next four weeks we will be right.
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Who had money on the Hare scoring then? Admit it some of you must have!
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Some good stuff going forward but we were all over the shop when they attacked. That was partly down to their movement which seemed to really unsettle Dunne and Collins and caused us to be consistently outnumbered in midfield and partly down to inexperience. It could have been 6-5.
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it was their reserves against half of our youth team..
we had several key players missing too, and our central midfield was made up of a rookie player making his second start, a rookie central defender, and a winger... up top we had a 19 year old support striker playing the lone role...
so its not like we werent missing players too, and ours arent through choice... not ideal..
but, while we didnt perform anywhere near like we can, even with 4 youngsters in the side, and 8 in the squad in total, and while blackpool played well, worked hard and caused us problems, it was only down to piss poor officiating that the result was not more weighed heavily in our favour...
delfouneso's header was disallowed for having the audacity to jump higher than his opponent, and marc albrighton was fouled as clear as day on the penalty box line and nothing given at all... two big decisions given the wrong way that could have cost us...
thats not to say we were totally blameless... the defending for their goals was absolutely comical... the second in particular... richard dunne really needs to pull his socks up and lay off the pies... as for warnock, how he can continue to get in the side despite being absolute dross for months now, is beyond me.. no, wait, we have no one else, so thats the reason... awful defending at times that will get punished by better sides...
onto a positive note, the young lads did well again, and delfouneso's goals were very well taken... thought again, that while not being amazing, he showed glimpses of his ability in the unfamiliar lone role.. he still tended to lean towards his natural game of dropping deep and drifting wide when he didnt have the ball, and with a partner up front, that movement will be invaluable, but at the moment, in his current lone role, he needs to stay up top a little more and hold it... on a few occasions he pulled players away with a run, but when the ball was put into the box, or an opportunity arose to put one in, there was no one there... with a partner, he would have created the space for someone else to have a shot, or been given the ball to run with himself, however, without, his intelligent movement just looks like he is running away from the danger area... its all about learning to adapt his game, and at 19 years old, playing a very difficult unfamiliar role, i thought he did well without really looking too comfortable... but there was some good chasing down, he got into some good positions, and he looked more comfortable in the lone role than he did against fulham... without piss poor refereeing, he would have scored two goals as well, so all in all, a good night for the lad...
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I was surprised with the intensity Blackpool played in the first half, they were well worth their goal. We had the measure of them in the 2nd half but should have been well ahead by the time they equalised. A very sloppy goal from our point of view.
Glad to see we have discovered our ability to score from corners again. We should have had more goals on the night from these as it was the one area Blackpool were poor at defending.
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Strange game in that we deserved to win it on the balance of play and chances created, yet could count ourselves lucky we did as we were sloppy and unprofessional in holding the lead. Given the inexperience of some of the players that's somewhat understandable, but still needs Gezza to hand out a few rollickings and put it right.
Despite scoring, I thought Delfouneso was poorish in his all round contribution. Asking a young striker to play on his own upfront can cause this, but I can't escape the feeling he'd be better in a 4-4-2.
The win was needed and the game showed both our strengths and areas for improvement.
MY biggest gripe was that when Gabby game on he looked hungry and was chasing things down, which was in starl contrast to Ireland.
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Who had money on the Hare scoring then? Admit it some of you must have!
I had Harewood first scorer and 2-1 to us at 22/1, which obviously didn't come in, but I did fancy Harewood to score.
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I've never been so furious at a football match as I was last night when Villa casually observed Blackpool set up their second goal - I completely lost it and to those around me I'd like to apologise for my language.
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Did anyone hear Holloway on 5Live going off on one when the reporter just touched on the fact that Mick McCarthy got fined for fielding a weakened team last season? Bizarre.
I quite like Blackpool (the team, not the town) and what they've achieved but he comes across as a right prick at times.
A 'right prick' in your eyes, an 'extroverted, say it as it is, football needs these types of guys' in many others' eyes.
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FWIW.....my views.
Could'nt believe how bad our passing from defence was last night.LYoung and Collins in th 1st half were dreadful.
Somebody has to tell Collins in partic that hes not Beckenbauer, and hes not partic good at pinpoint 50yd passes.Keepit short and accurate.
Why, when playing a young sleight 19 yr old up front on his own, do we insist on hoofingit up, just to give the ball away.
Too pedestrian in the 1st half, too much imho for Bannan and Clark to do.We give the ball away too cheapley, and did'nt retain possession well enough.
On thepositive side,Barry Bannan, although not a good game, sometimes produced moments of realtop quality.Like to see him play with Gabby, his sharp eye for a pass, and Gabbys pace could cause even the best defences trouble.
Fonz i thought played well, for me probably MOM, long way to go, but his movement and touch is very good.
Albrighton/AYoung/Downing, all played ok to me, no more no less.Need to finish better, Albrighton another open goal missed, Ashley sometimes takesthe wrong option, and Downingneeds to show a bit more desire.
We gave 2 goals away last night who did'nt lookasif they would score.Slack marking for the 1st, pure panic for the 2nd.I fear for sat tbh.
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Not the best performance, but I'm glad we got the 3 points.
Thought Bannan was very good. Clark was Ok, not as good as he was v Birmingham or Fulham IMO.
Still very undecided about Delfouneso. He took his goals well (one ruled out too) but other than that I wasn't overly impressed. Maybe he'll work better in a 4-4-2 when he can be more of the poacher and not the target man. Maybe I should reserve judgement until then.
Really starting to worry that Ireland isn't going to work out.
I really hope sooner or later it'll work for him as we all know he can be a class act.
Warnock is starting to worry me.
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I've never been so furious at a football match as I was last night when Villa casually observed Blackpool set up their second goal - I completely lost it and to those around me I'd like to apologise for my language.
Apology accepted old boy
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As others have said, three points is welcome but.....
We were a minute from getting booed off and the Mail's first 'Villa in Crisis' headline under Houllier.
We are joint sixth.
We've got eight first teamers out injured.
Warnock is awful, just what is wrong with him ?
Ditto Dunne.
Delfonousou's goal was AOK.
LYoung, Albrighton, Bannan (in parts) , Clark, AYoung and Fonz did very well.
You could have drove a truck through our defence at times.
Fonz taken off too early, we lost impetus straight after.
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A really entertaining game.
I'm surprised at some of the stick that Fonz is getting here. It was his second start last night, he was the target man for our useless long ball game and I think he did OK. I've always thought that once he gets a couple of goals and finds his confidence he'll do very well. He's still only 19!
Bannan looked pretty good but there were a few instances where he was muscled off the ball and that will be his major challenge playing at this level.
Great to see Gabby back and I think he'll flourish with the sort of service that Bannan and Ireland can provide. Ireland needs to understand his role in the team which he clearly doesn't at the moment but he will come good once things click for him.
Considering that Blackpool played their reserves last night I was very impressed with their movement. Holloway is clearly an excellent coach to be able to make changes on that scale but still produce a team performance like that. I thought in the first half that they would not be able to sustain that level of effort for the whole game and so it proved to be. A number of our players could have learned a couple of things from them last night i.e. make a simple pass and then move into space to get it back. They are too gung ho though and will get punished for that as teams work out how to handle them.
Nice to see Bannan applauded off by the Blackpool fans too - he obviously mad a good impression there last season.
The ref was shit.
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Glad of the 3 points against a team that caused us far more problems than Chelsea - they were relentlessly attacking & fair play to them.
We weren't great, but 3 of our front 6 were reserve/youth teamers (not counting Abrighton), one of which is a central defender - so I'm prepared to give a bit of slack.
To all those that poured out of the ground after 87 minutes:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
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I've never been so furious at a football match as I was last night when Villa casually observed Blackpool set up their second goal - I completely lost it and to those around me I'd like to apologise for my language.
Good job we won then.
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I've mentioned this on another thread, but am I right in my belief that the horrid Paul McGrath chant was absent from the repertoire last night?
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I've mentioned this on another thread, but am I right in my belief that the horrid Paul McGrath chant was absent from the repertoire last night?
As was almost everything else!!
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I've mentioned this on another thread, but am I right in my belief that the horrid Paul McGrath chant was absent from the repertoire last night?
As was almost everything else!!
True. The only chanting of any note was from the boys in orange at the end of the Witton Lane stand.
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I've mentioned this on another thread, but am I right in my belief that the horrid Paul McGrath chant was absent from the repertoire last night?
As was almost everything else!!
It was sung once, half-heartedly, then it petered out before it got going.
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My pint previous was that, we played a reserve side last nigh and we have to seriously up our game as we have a slightly better team to play...
OK, we have a few players out, but I still expect the basics right and better than what I saw. But glad we have 3 point in the bag.
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Horrid Paul McGrath song? Far less offensive than most of our other songs/chants.
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Dare I bring up the MOTD coverage last night? I know we were on third but are the BBC contractually obliges to put manure and chelski on before anyone else despite the matches being a load of crap?
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What a strange game that was. Felt like a early round league cup tie against (with all respect to Blackpool) a lower league side. On the balance of play, despite the equaliser, I thought we deserved to win.
Credit to the players for rallying to not let the heads drop in the wake of the timing of the two equalisers, but of course we have to play much better than that against better opposition. Credit also to Blackpool for the way they approached the game and I have to say, they're good to watch.
Impressed with Bannan and Downing while Ash was at the heart of everything good we had going forward. During the game I was getting very frustrated with the Fonz especially in terms of lack of movement, but in retrospect, its easy to forget he's only 19 and is only just starting in terms of PL experience. He took his goal(s) very well.
Three much needed and very welcome points. Onwards and upwards.
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Most interesting/exciting match for Villa I've watched this season. Warnock and Collins were atrocious, but at least Collins made up for that second goal with a goal of his own. I'm at a loss for the backs. Besides Young (and I would throw in our new mid Clark), I don't trust any of them to hold the line right now.
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Agree with most that Dunne was poor but Collins was worse. Completely to blame for their first goal, pathetic defending. The second where he again gets pulled out of position, charges in to Dunne so that neither of them win the ball, leaving it very easy for Blackpool to shoot and score. Carlos has to come back into the centre of defence, I don't care whether it's to replace Dunne or Collins, as long as he does.
Agree to a certain extent. Carlos has to come back, for the life of me I can't understand why he's not playing. Personally I think Dunne's been much better the last couple of games, and certainly a good deal more impressive than Collins. Dunne had the situation under control in the build up to the second goal until Collins got sucked in.
Carlos is much better positionally and I think Dunne plays better with him in the side.
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Horrid Paul McGrath song? Far less offensive than most of our other songs/chants.
Singing about a Villa legend's chronic alcoholism is highly offensive. You wouldn't start chants about cancer.
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I'm glad that song wasn't sung, it's shit.
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Back to the game itself, I thought we had some very good spells in the second half where we knocked it about and tore into them creating several chances then we seemed to ease off and they equalised.
I know it was only Blackpool (and all credit to them for having a go) but you have to beat what's put in front of you. 3 points is 3 points at the end of the day.
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And calling my dad a c*nt, or mate a b*stard, or singing about murderers and the Munich disaster, or let him die, f*ck him up at someone, sotc etc. are not more offensive?
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Warnock would be better suited in midfield where he was outstanding for Blackburn at times, bring in beye and put luke or beye on the left- cuellar deserves a chance in place of dunne- good to see gabby back , hopefully he will start on Saturday- we are 2 points off 5th place so it's all to play for.
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Weird game last night what with Blackpool making 10 changes ?
but still causing us problems throughout and nearly snatching a point
Apart from defence our team was young and relatively inexperienced
but is was the back 4 that looked vulnerable and likely to concede soft
goals (it's hapening consistently this season and needs sorting)
I had to bite my tongue several times when hearing several around me
in L6 moaning and groaning whenever a pass went astray - yes they
are professional players but the likes of Albrighton Clark Bannan & Fonz
are learning their trade and we should encourage not complain
He didn't play to his full potential but Nathan scored two decent goals
and why the referee should disallow the first only he will know
Dunne really needs to be dropped for Cuellar, but bearing in mind he
wore the captain's armband I doubt Houllier will take such a decision
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On a side note, I find it appauling that the FA are investigating Holloways 10 changes to his team. They didn't field a team of 16yr old kids for christs sake and they didn't get stuffed 20-0. I'm sure their fans enjoyed the performance.
The FA should investigate the standard of referees instead or who took the biggest bung when building Wemberleeee.
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And calling my dad a c*nt, or mate a b*stard, or singing about murderers and the Munich disaster, or let him die, f*ck him up at someone, sotc etc. are not more offensive?
Singing about murderers (the andrews chant i presume?), munich disaster et al are certainly up there with the McGrath chant (in fact are probably worse), are idiotic. The rest aren't in the same league.
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It was a game we were expected to win and the pressure showed a little, especially in the first half. It was one of those games where the points were more important than the perfomance, so i'm pleased we got them, even if we did make hard work of it.
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Similar story to Fulham, Sunderland and Chelsea- in that we created enough chances to win the game comfortably, te only difference being this one had a happier ending! We need Gabby back, fit and scoring goals.
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I thought we should have committed more midfielders to attack when we had chance and that we gave the ball away cheaply. Good win with all the injuries though. Holloway can play who he wants, Prem managers are allowed a squad of 25 plus youngsters - they can't then be told who to play and when from the 25. If they are citing the always play your strongest side rule then firstly that's a matter of opinion and secondly they would have to fine Liverpool/United/Arsenal/Chelsea every time they leave Torres/Rooney/Fabregas/Drogba on the bench