Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on November 06, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
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Houllier just said on sky that nige has ligament damage and will be out for a few weeks , 3 at least.
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We'll be playing the youth team against Blues in the cup at this rate.
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Bloody hell.
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Has MoN had the voodoo dolls out?
Shit.
I'm off to buy some football boots...
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fuck me. delph, nrc, carew, heskey, petrov, gabby. we are going to have a decent side in the new year :)
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Well. Urm. Balls. Clark and Bannan it is then.
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Let's hope he's back for Dec 1st.
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it's getting beyond a laughable joke with all these injuries we're getting. hopefully coker will be back to knock the blose out the cup.
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I just cant believe it injury after injury we need some luck that we dont get no more injuries.
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Clark did well to be fair to him so hopefully he carries it on.
Tis not good right now though. We're woefully short of quality.
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I thought Clark made sure that Nige wasn't really missed that much.
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Its a lot to ask the young lads but the opportunities are there... we shall see if they are any good!
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We were either lucky under MON or it is down to our new fitness regime?
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We were either lucky under MON or it is down to our new fitness regime?
Bit of both for me. Our style of play under MON didn't need the type of fitness we're needing to show now with our new pass and move style IMO.
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The new training probably doesn't help, although today's injury was clearly one of those impact injuries that can happen at any time. I think that this spate (speight?) of strain injuries, like many other things, is something we're going to have to put up with in the short term for the sake of benefits in the long term.
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Isn't possession football supposed to demand less fitness? If so why the need to increase fitness levels from MON kick and rush football (442), which people previously claimed put unreasonable demands on certain players (petrov for example)?
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Whoever was responsible for pre season has a lot to answer for.
Reo Coker wasnt missed today. He was fine when on but I thought Clark was excellent when he replaced him.
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Yesterdays injury has nothing to do with fitness or training regimes though?
I'm pleased we've got Clark but I can't remember an injury run like this for a long time!
We now have 6 injuries to key players
Heskey, Carew, Agbonlahor, Re-coker, Delph, Petrov, You could even include Weimann, I only didn't as I don't class him as a first team regular atm
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Ligaments can go at any time. Its the pulls and strains that suggest an underlying problem from pre-season training
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Yes I agree but in this case I think its nothing to do with pre- season
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Not sure we can complain too much, we have been incredibly lucky with short to medium term injuries over the last few seasons. Though obviously one might temper that with the Laursen and Freddies scenarios which hit us badly, particularly the former...
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bloody injuries...
oh well, on the bright side, some of the youngsters will get ore game time, and while we will drop more points, its good for their long term development to get game time...
i do hope that people wont write them off after a bad performance though...
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To be honest we have been lucky with injuries over the last couple of seasons. All teams get a bad run like this and it provides the opportunities to other players and some actually turn out be good and that will make us a stronger squad in a few weeks time when we are through this spell.
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Certainly proves those who said the squad was still too small 100% right
Not that the turncoat bothers, he wasted the money and is off enjoying himself having again quit before being found out
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Certainly proves those who said the squad was still too small 100% right found out
And pray tell us oh wise one which squad would be coping fine with it's first three choices at central midfield and first three choices at striker out injured?
Real Madrid would probably be able to muddle through okay. That's about it though.
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http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
Expected return dates of our players - most are after December 1st unfortunately.
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The only positives about our injury list are that a) youngsters get a chance and b) we're unlikely to burn out in the way we normally do. In fact, I would expect us to do a John Gregory style finish to the season (hang around in mid table most season, then put a run of games together at the end of the season when it doesn't really matter and end up finishing top 8). Edit: that's supposed to read top 8, not some orange dude with sunglasses!
Everton did it last season, and we did it in MON's first season. A fit and raring to go Petrov, Delph, NRC, plus Gabby and Heskey, all coming back after xmas, should give us a strong impetus. Just need to make sure we keep things ticking over in the meantime.
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Isn't possession football supposed to demand less fitness? If so why the need to increase fitness levels from MON kick and rush football (442), which people previously claimed put unreasonable demands on certain players (petrov for example)?
Actually it demands more - a lot more. When you play possession football, you're always trying to find team-mates in space, and to get space you have to be constantly moving off the ball. This was a huge part of the Total Football innovation and of its success - Ajax were by far the fittest team in Europe when they were dominant in the early '70s (some said a little too fit, in fact, and allegations about doping were never far away), and the main influence the Dutch had on the Brazilians they dominated in the 2-0 win in '74 was the fitness levels. To keep the ball and be penetrative you have to be constantly on the move, and our players aren't used to those levels of fitness.
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Yes, I think under MON our players ran a lot, but they weren't always bright and fresh. Houllier's style will demand this.
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It'll be Salifou & Osbourne in the middle on Wednesday night then.
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The only positives about our injury list are that a) youngsters get a chance and b) we're unlikely to burn out in the way we normally do. In fact, I would expect us to do a John Gregory style finish to the season (hang around in mid table most season, then put a run of games together at the end of the season when it doesn't really matter and end up finishing top 8). Edit: that's supposed to read top 8, not some orange dude with sunglasses!
Everton did it last season, and we did it in MON's first season. A fit and raring to go Petrov, Delph, NRC, plus Gabby and Heskey, all coming back after xmas, should give us a strong impetus. Just need to make sure we keep things ticking over in the meantime.
Agree with this. Bannan, Clark and the Fonz could do well with that hunger of youth. Maybe Gary G will get a look in too. I'd love us to not have that Jan - march stutter we've had over the last few seasons.
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I agree with the sentiments regarding the youth, all except Delfouneso, I really think he is way out of his depth. Some pointed out it was his 1st Prem start but it was Bannans too. Delfouneso has played a lot more than Bannan in the 1st team and there was no comparison. Clark, Delph, Albrighton and Bannan look like great players to have around, hopefully we can add to their undoubted talents in January.
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I don't agree with you on Delfouneso at all, he got into some great positions, was composed on the ball, the only thing he did wrong was not hit the target.
If he would have scored I don't think you'd be saying the same thing.
I think Delfouneso and Bannan are going to get better and better with a good run in the team.
Look at Bannan, after Burnley I thought he was too lightweight and not ready, but yesturday he was superb, hopefully Delboy gets a hatrick against Blackpool.
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Isn't possession football supposed to demand less fitness? If so why the need to increase fitness levels from MON kick and rush football (442), which people previously claimed put unreasonable demands on certain players (petrov for example)?
Actually it demands more - a lot more. When you play possession football, you're always trying to find team-mates in space, and to get space you have to be constantly moving off the ball. This was a huge part of the Total Football innovation and of its success - Ajax were by far the fittest team in Europe when they were dominant in the early '70s (some said a little too fit, in fact, and allegations about doping were never far away), and the main influence the Dutch had on the Brazilians they dominated in the 2-0 win in '74 was the fitness levels. To keep the ball and be penetrative you have to be constantly on the move, and our players aren't used to those levels of fitness.
Yes pass and move teams are fitter. Last season when Barca put Arsenal away by making them look complete numpty's in the CL match stats showed that Barca midfielders all averaged over 10K whilst Arsenal were under 10.