Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: supertom on November 02, 2010, 10:16:14 AM
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Looking at the squad, who's doing the business so far, and who needs a rocket?
Pass:
Friedel- gold star
Downing- gold star
Reo-Coker- gold star
Heskey
Clark
Cueller (when he's played that is)
Collins
Albrighton
Must try harder:
Dunney monster- dunces hat
Warnock- dunces hat
Carew- dunces hat with a picture of table dancer stuck on it.
Ireland
Petrov
Ash Young
The rest are in middle ground, aside from Sidwell, who would be "try harder" if not for the fact I just think there's no more he can offer us. He's just shit.
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Agree with most of that
I think i'd give Clark a gold star plus i think Lijah looked fairly composed against Burnley.
Downing would get a Silver from me, vast improvement compared to last season but i'd just like to see a bit more consistency, having said that Id like to see more consistency all round
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Simple/simplistic analysis: Goalkeeper, defenders (minus Dunne) and Reo-Coker have done well. Attacking players (possibly excluding Downing) have been poor*. Result: We don't concede goals, but we don't score any either.
*Ignoring Heskey's mini-revival.
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Clearly I'm not as impressed by NRC as the majority are.
Yes, he runs around a lot and can be destructive but his passing is very poor on a lot of occasions and as for his play near the opposition goal......................................
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Clearly I'm not as impressed by NRC as the majority are.
Yes, he runs around a lot and can be destructive but his passing is very poor on a lot of occasions and as for his play near the opposition goal......................................
So he gives it simple and sits back. When he does that we have a very effective player on our hands.
Adding to the above, I'd also say Ash has done pretty well so far, although his form has been 'patchy'.
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I would agree with you aswell Supertom the must try harder must up there game because they are just not doing it.
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Similar to the OP but I don't think Ash has been that bad and I don't think Downing has been that good.
Stats don't tell the whole story but the massively disappointing Ashley Young has two assists and one goal to date in the league whilst Gold star Downing has the sum total of zero assists and three goals.
Ash (and Heskey) also played a crucial role in our win v Blackburn in the cup and he was the best player on the pitch v Everton at home.
We need more from him, yes. I wouldn't argue with anyone on that. But to hear the way some go on about him you'd think he was Nigel Callaghan mkII.
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I'd add Bannan to that as well. He's done well whenever he's been called upon and I hope we see a lot more of him this season.
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I thought Petrov did absolutely fine and played at least as well as Reo Coker when he had Nige alongside him for company. Under K Mac when Petrov had Ireland, Young, Albrighton and Downing all bombing on I think he found it very hard work, but then I think most defensive mids inc. NRC would have done with such little help.
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Clearly I'm not as impressed by NRC as the majority are.
Yes, he runs around a lot and can be destructive but his passing is very poor on a lot of occasions and as for his play near the opposition goal......................................
So he gives it simple and sits back. When he does that we have a very effective player on our hands.
Adding to the above, I'd also say Ash has done pretty well so far, although his form has been 'patchy'.
....... often to the opposition (eg frequently against Burnley)
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Clearly I'm not as impressed by NRC as the majority are.
Yes, he runs around a lot and can be destructive but his passing is very poor on a lot of occasions and as for his play near the opposition goal......................................
Totally agree he has done ok but if we are going to really progress he is not the soloution .........
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Clearly I'm not as impressed by NRC as the majority are.
Yes, he runs around a lot and can be destructive but his passing is very poor on a lot of occasions and as for his play near the opposition goal......................................
Totally agree he has done ok but if we are going to really progress he is not the soloution .........
NRC will never be the solution but he's the sort of player that every team need to be able to call upon. His passing is crap and if the ball had broken to anybody else apart from him against Chelsea we would have had the 3 points, but I'm a real fan because he adds a bit of steel at times when we need it. Messrs Young and Downing aren't the greatest of tacklers and that leaves Petrov to do an awful lot of work on his own. Should MON have used NRC more intelligently last season we would have finished closer to 4th.
I would give Ash a Pass for effort alone and I think he's done well trying to fit into a new role. Petrov has his critics because they expect him to be the marauding midfielder he was supposed to have been at Celtic, but I think that Saturday's game showed how much we miss his calming influence in midfield - for the unspectacular work which he gets through in a game I'd give him a Pass too.
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Sidwell gets a pass
...but then gives it straight to the opposition.
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Clearly I'm not as impressed by NRC as the majority are.
Yes, he runs around a lot and can be destructive but his passing is very poor on a lot of occasions and as for his play near the opposition goal......................................
So he gives it simple and sits back. When he does that we have a very effective player on our hands.
Adding to the above, I'd also say Ash has done pretty well so far, although his form has been 'patchy'.
....... often to the opposition (eg frequently against Burnley)
His pass completion stats are actually quite good, which is normally because he doesn't try to do too much with it. His job should be to win it, give it to the nearest Villa player and then wait to win it again.
I agree he's crap getting forward.
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He's good at getting forward, just when he's there he doesn't know what to do.
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I think that rather than just Pass or Must Try Harder we have another problem of regardless of how hard they try they ain't gonna cut it.
Step forward Coker (if you could have Cokers engine, tackling and doggedness mixed with Petrov's ability when it comes to passing and making runs into the box we would have one hell of a player... who most likely wouldn't be playing for us), Sidwell (you can't fault his effort, but it's not happening for him) and Heskey (yes I know he has done well recently but really on his own up front we aren't going to get more than 8-10 goals out of him).
To say we have a problem in midfield is a massive understatement!
Must try harders to Ash Young (he needs to be put back on the wing, not effective playing with the striker), Carew (this guy is shot physically and mentally I think), Dunny, Warnock (what is it about the 1st 10 mins of the 2nd half he is often on another planet).
Passes to Downing, Freidel, L Young, Collins (although whoever told him he could pass the ball should be shot!!), Albrighton.
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Stephen Warnock has been close to awful for nearly a year now. He'll be one of the first out the door if he doesn't improve. I wouldn't give a fiddlers if he was sold.
John Carew has been laughably woeful. I said in the summer he should go. He starts every season like this, but this year is the worst. He has the absolute touch of a rapist, never looks interested and obviously doesn't care any more. Pretty sad when some deluded fans still sing his name. He obviously doesn't care about those fans.
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Clearly I'm not as impressed by NRC as the majority are.
Yes, he runs around a lot and can be destructive but his passing is very poor on a lot of occasions and as for his play near the opposition goal......................................
Totally agree he has done ok but if we are going to really progress he is not the soloution .........
I'd second these view points.
We need better. Far better than Nigel Reo Coker in that position.
Last year he should have played more than he did but he's not good enough to be a defensive midfielder in a team who want to be where we want to be.
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Sidwell gets a pass
...but then gives it straight to the opposition.
Didn't see that coming
said Sidwell
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fine
friedel, beye, L young, Collins, Clark, downing
improving
reo coker, heskey, a young, albrighton, bannan, cuellar
unacceptable
dunne, carew, delfouneso, sidwell, ireland, warnock, petrov
to be honest I think Dunne is improving but his condition for the first number of games was unacceptable. Sidwell is a limited player and a holding midfielder only. Decent against Sunderland. Maybe its a bit too easy to blame him. Delfouneso must be utter scutter in training not to get a chance at home to Burnley. Petrov was ok against Chelsea but utter shit in a number of other games including Wolves. Reo Coker has been steady more than spectacular Id argue. Excellent against Sunderland but an awful captains performance against Birmingham. Have ranked this as to what the player is capable of - Ashley Young is capable of more but until we have a centre forward that can run and threatens the opposition goal and a centre midfielder capable of passing him decent ball he will be up against it.
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Harsh on Petrov. He can only be as good as the bloke standing next to him. I think he's been his usual standard so far.
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Stephen Warnock has been close to awful for nearly a year now. He'll be one of the first out the door if he doesn't improve. I wouldn't give a fiddlers if he was sold.
I wish we had signed that mexican that Fulham did.. he was awesome in the WC and how much was he £1.5 million..