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Title: O'Neill speaks
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 23, 2010, 12:31:22 AM
www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Wally-meets-former-Aston-Villa-and-Celtic-boss-Martin-O-Neill-article610969.html
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: adrenachrome on October 23, 2010, 12:37:59 AM
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He confirmed his departure from Villa was the result of a falling-out with owner Randy Lerner: “I think we decided we weren’t going in the same direction, I’m not sure what direction that was. Probably the less said, the better.

Most illuminating.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: KevinGage on October 23, 2010, 12:43:13 AM
Re-hashing old conversations with Clough.

Terrific, just terrific.

Thing was Clough was an innovator, a pioneer who blazed his own trail.

He didn't need to constantly refer to an older manager to bask in some kind of reflected  glory.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2010, 12:49:48 AM
We get one sentence. They do however manage to reveal that he used to be managed by Brian Clough. Really, never knew that! Thanks Mirror. What a worthwhile excercise that was.

Can't wait for this upcoming weeks' Mirror interviews, what new exclusives will they reveal?...

Monday: Alex Ferguson is actually Scottish!
Tuesday: Arsene Wenger quite likes Arsenal!!
Wednesday: Harry Redknapp is a complete and utter...

you get the idea.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: villan1975 on October 23, 2010, 12:51:39 AM
I have said it before as have many others on this sight but he will never be forgiven for leaving our club 5 days before the start of the season and he and the bin dippers deserve each other
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: The Situation on October 23, 2010, 01:22:52 AM
"The less is said the better" more like everyone knows I threw a tantrum after I was told I wasn't going to get money to spend.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Pete3206 on October 23, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
Why didn't they just go with "O'Neill begins the process of whoring himself to Liverpool (again)"

Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 23, 2010, 04:22:58 AM
We all knew that it was going to end up like this with MON.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 23, 2010, 04:46:11 AM
it's a space filler of an article. There's literally nothing there that hasn't been written about or discussed to death a thousand times over. He gets compared to Clough, asked about Clough, and answers questions about Clough. Something that will happen forever. Even his quote about us is meaningles because Randy said the same. We didn't learn anything new here.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: alanclare on October 23, 2010, 07:39:31 AM
There used to be an expression in popular use to describe journalism of this standard. It was called "Penny-a-line writing". In other words, pack out what little story you may or may not have with as much irrelevant garbage as you can think of until you've attained the requisite number of words that your editor wants. Tripe.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2010, 07:55:16 AM
Well that was worth waiting for, only the Mirror could take a long waited for opportunity like this and turn it into, well, nothing.

Tripe.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: TopDeck113 on October 23, 2010, 08:39:20 AM
"Probably the less said, the better." = "Of course I would like to tell you a version of events that paint me in the best possible light, but Mr Lerner has stitched me up with a water-tight gagging order."
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: eastie on October 23, 2010, 08:58:37 AM
Agreed topdeck, I think it's unlikely we will ever get the exact story as I'm sure o neill will have had to sign a confidentiality agreement on his departure- but whatever the reasons there is no excuse for leaving the club in the shit 5 days before the season started.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: The Man With A Stick on October 23, 2010, 09:01:17 AM
Wherever the little shit turns up, I can't wait to see him fail.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Lizz on October 23, 2010, 09:02:48 AM
"The less is said the better" more like everyone knows I threw a tantrum after I was told I wasn't going to get money to spend.

Replace spend with waste.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Shrek on October 23, 2010, 09:10:19 AM
As much of a knob I now think he is(I think we all loved him when he was here), fair play to him for not gobbing off about Villa.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 23, 2010, 09:11:29 AM
Fair point, gibbo. However, he is a petulant man, well, I think he is anyway.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on October 23, 2010, 09:14:05 AM
Fair play my arse. He will have been handsomely paid to sign a compromise agreement that effectively shuts both sides up.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2010, 09:33:47 AM
At least we dont have to listen to him moaning on so let's praise randy for his confidentiality agreement.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Holtemeister on October 23, 2010, 09:44:41 AM
Another case of shit journalism.....

Someone (maybe a reporter) at the event hears O'Neils after dinner speach and copies it verbatum.

Not an interview, just someone ripping his speech off.

The content of the article actually reads like a speech so he said what he had pre prepared and wasnt questioned in anyway.

Great journalism, any of us could have done that, Im really pleased that as a tax payer we will have contributed to this journalists education.  Great investment in the public purse.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 23, 2010, 09:53:26 AM
He didn't say a fookin lot did he? I've read all that before!!
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 23, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
In the same way as we have heard little from DOL about his departure, you will hear little from MON.
If you wish to interpret this as either or both of them showing a little respect and not slagging off the club or us the fans so be it.
At best its them not wishing to appear belligerant to ex- employers as they seek yet another highly paid post within football.
However, for me what they do and dont say these days is wholly controlled by lawyers. Its a question of confidentiality clauses which will have been put in place with whatever severance pay they will have received.

Your likely to get more information on American war atrocities in Iraq via Wikileaks than anything from this lot, they all have their noses in the football trough protecting their personal wealth and obscene earning power.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Concrete John on October 23, 2010, 10:14:25 AM
Sounds like he's put it all behind him and wants to move on.

We should do the same.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Villa'Zawg on October 23, 2010, 10:46:13 AM
Does anyone know what direction we're going in?

Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2010, 10:51:14 AM
North.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: richard moore on October 23, 2010, 11:12:32 AM
"The less is said the better" more like everyone knows I threw a tantrum after I was told I wasn't going to get money to spend.

Replace spend with waste.

Replace waste with waste on Carlton Cole, Mark Noble and Kevin Nolan. Or any other over-hyped, over-priced English talent...
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: TimTheVillain on October 23, 2010, 11:34:05 AM
Does anyone know what direction we're going in?



Good question.

Maybe Randy asked MON and MON didn't know, and MON asked Randy and Randy didn't know.

As neither knew, there was nothing to agree on, and MON left.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 23, 2010, 11:34:41 AM
Oh how I wish he was still here and we had signed Aiden McGready.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Chris Smith on October 23, 2010, 11:51:49 AM
Does anyone know what direction we're going in?



Sideways.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 23, 2010, 12:00:29 PM
The direction O'Neill wanted to move in was one towards Keane and McGready for £18m.

So glad he's not at our club anymore, sorry MON lovers.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Chris Smith on October 23, 2010, 12:01:43 PM
The direction O'Neill wanted to move in was one towards Keane and McGready for £18m.

So glad he's not at our club anymore, sorry MON lovers.

No need to apologise, Greg. ;¬)

Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 23, 2010, 12:03:59 PM
The direction O'Neill wanted to move in was one towards Keane and McGready for £18m.

So glad he's not at our club anymore, sorry MON lovers.

No need to apologise, Greg. ;¬)



Oh PLEASE. Meh. Various emoticons.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: manic-road on October 23, 2010, 12:05:28 PM
The direction O'Neill wanted to move in was one towards Keane and McGready for £18m.

So glad he's not at our club anymore, sorry MON lovers.


Yeh, those rumours must have been true because it was in the red top papers, like Rooney off to Man City.

Don't recall any quotes from MON about those players..
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 23, 2010, 12:09:45 PM
The direction O'Neill wanted to move in was one towards Keane and McGready for £18m.

So glad he's not at our club anymore, sorry MON lovers.


Yeh, those rumours must have been true because it was in the red top papers, like Rooney off to Man City.

Don't recall any quotes from MON about those players..
I'm just going by what a journalist told me who was very close to the situation.
It was no secret that he was an admirer of Keane, McGready and Jenas.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: manic-road on October 23, 2010, 12:17:12 PM
The direction O'Neill wanted to move in was one towards Keane and McGready for £18m.

So glad he's not at our club anymore, sorry MON lovers.


Yeh, those rumours must have been true because it was in the red top papers, like Rooney off to Man City.

Don't recall any quotes from MON about those players..
I'm just going by what a journalist told me who was very close to the situation.
It was no secret that he was an admirer of Keane, McGready and Jenas.

Exactly, no secret if you believe everything hyped up by the press.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: TimTheVillain on October 23, 2010, 12:18:56 PM
The direction O'Neill wanted to move in was one towards Keane and McGready for £18m.

So glad he's not at our club anymore, sorry MON lovers.

Me too.

Keane should have joined when JG was in charge and McGeady if we were in the Championship.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: not3bad on October 23, 2010, 12:32:39 PM
Does anyone know what direction we're going in?



Sideways.

Having the manager walk out 5 days before the start of a season does that to you.  So it's better than it could have been.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: eastie on October 23, 2010, 01:38:31 PM
Heard houllier on 5 live just saying he hopes to bring in one or two in January but most of his deals will be in the summer- as regards o neill I really think he will pitch up at newcastle very soon indeed, can't see him getting a top 6 job again!

Incidentally  where is our friend gregnash? Not seen him on here since the week o neill walked out!
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: The Man With A Stick on October 23, 2010, 01:58:24 PM
Heard houllier on 5 live just saying he hopes to bring in one or two in January but most of his deals will be in the summer- as regards o neill I really think he will pitch up at newcastle very soon indeed, can't see him getting a top 6 job again!

You think so?  I reckon they'd be daft to get rid of Hughton, who's doing a decent job there.  They need a bit of stability after their managerial merry-go-round of the last five years.

I agree with you about O'Neill not walking into another big job.  The best he can hope for is another big-club-fallen-on-hard-times, putting him in the same position as he was in four years back.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: eastie on October 23, 2010, 02:31:15 PM
There were strong rumours that if newcastle had lost to Wigan last week , hughton would have been sacked, seems he's very much on borrowed time up there and o neill would be treated as the messiah if he went there.

Still can't see him doing much if he goes there though as he won't have the cash he had here to spend- I really see o neill at newcastle in the next month or so though.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 23, 2010, 07:53:35 PM
Well the Bar Codes have just won again, so nothing going there for now. I just hope where ever he goes, he takes his ex-Villa Five with him. The thought of Walford anmd Robertson in the Anfield boot room would have poor Shanks spinning in his grave.

My guess is MON will have to drop a division or two. I think he's been found out.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: barrysleftfoot on October 23, 2010, 08:03:58 PM


  Love him or hate him he gets results.

  Last year we were poor against Sland, and won, this year played better and lost.

  He will go to Lplop or Noocastle, or a team of that ilk.

 
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: cdward on October 23, 2010, 08:55:42 PM
Love him or hate him, we were moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 23, 2010, 08:57:55 PM
No chance. He may get results but can you imagine him and his backroom staff without the millions to spend. Saying that, I really hope he ends up at Newcastle. It's about time they had a new Messiah.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: DrGonzo on October 23, 2010, 09:51:16 PM
" Probably the less said the better..."
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Chris Harte on October 23, 2010, 10:25:22 PM
Shouldn't the title of this thread be "O'Neill says fuck all"?
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: sfx412 on October 23, 2010, 10:34:46 PM
as one of those who never bought the myth, who thought his departue typical of the man I see this part of the expected and inevitable rewrite of history he will need to have any hope of further work.
As Dave made clear in other threads those in the know know exactly what a shit O'Neill is.
So sad that even now so many still live the myth.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 23, 2010, 11:14:12 PM


  Love him or hate him he gets results.

That's what they say about Fat Sam.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 23, 2010, 11:21:01 PM
Love him or hate him, we were moving in the right direction.


No we weren't.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Archie on October 23, 2010, 11:32:20 PM
Love him or hate him, we were moving in the right direction.


No we weren't.

100% Agree, unless one thinks that playing long balls tactics, snobbing the Europa League,  and throwing money for average players with high wages is moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 23, 2010, 11:40:37 PM
Love him or hate him, we were moving in the right direction.


No we weren't.

100% Agree, unless one thinks that playing long balls tactics, snobbing the Europa League,  and throwing money for average players with high wages is moving in the right direction.


I was a frequent critic of the way we played under MON, especially the last two years, but I  don't think we played the long ball, that's a bit unfair on him.

What we did do - at home particularly - was play balls in from the wings almost exclusively, which in itself is like the long ball game because it too is a percentages game - just hit as many in as you can, and percentages say that you'll get someone on the end of enough, or enough of them will take a nick off someone to get results. If we weren't getting results from doing that, we'd just carry on regardless.

That was the problem for me, we were just so crushingly predictable. I appreciate our away results were excellent, where hitting on the break with speed worked well, but at home, for two whole years, it was horrible, uninspired, archaic football to watch.

I couldn't for the life of me see how a team who played that style was going to do any better than we did under him, there comes a point where you need tactical flexibility and nous to move to the next level, and I never really thought he had that. It says a lot that, four or five league games into the Houllier era, it still surprises me when I see us do things like make substitutions at times in the game other than 75 minutes, and the feeling of seeing a changed line up still seems odd.

I know a lot of the less-than-devoted-to-MON brigade actually disliked his personality too, but until he vindictively shat on us, I genuinely liked the bloke, i found it hard not to when he'd be there bouncing up and down on the touchline, I found him witty, erudite and very hard not to like.

The problem is that that is not enough, and whilst I think the long ball thing is unfair, I don't think the accusation that we played outmoded, predictable football from a different era is.

I certainly don't see how we were moving in the right direction - we finished sixth three years running, adding just two points total per year. That's not moving anywhere, it's staying where you are.

A few of us pointed out that whilst for supporters we might be seen as moving in the right direction, players see it differently and are staking a chunk of their careers on it.

I wonder if - topically - Ashley Young is thinking "well, I've been here for four years, for the last three we've stood still, this one has been written off due to managerial turmoil, do i really want to sign up for an extended stay"?
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: WA Villan on October 24, 2010, 12:26:53 AM
His obviously making the first tentative steps to protect and increase his mythical status. Look out Liverpool
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 24, 2010, 12:37:24 AM
His obviously making the first tentative steps to protect and increase his mythical status. Look out Liverpool

I don't think he's even doing that.

That article looks like a few snatched words on a golf course, none of which was about Villa beyond "we had a disagreement".
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Brigada1874 on October 24, 2010, 12:41:04 AM
Fuck him he's in the past!

The futures bright..........................
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2010, 09:17:31 AM
His obviously making the first tentative steps to protect and increase his mythical status. Look out Liverpool
The likes of Patrick Barclay at The Times will do that for him, the likes of him are regularly chowing down on his cock.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 24, 2010, 11:33:36 AM
As much of a knob I now think he is(I think we all loved him when he was here), fair play to him for not gobbing off about Villa.

I didnt  ;-)    Maybe the Golds will give him a call.....   thats his level
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: robbo1874 on October 24, 2010, 12:05:52 PM
Loved o'Neill when he was at Villa. was very disappointed when he droped us in the shit and really thought we would struggle to replace him. I don't mind admitting that I might have been wrong about him although the results haven't been fantastic so far with Houllier on board, the football is a lot easier to watch and I don't think we've been doing to much wrong - Sunderland a case in point - decent football, plenty of chances, none of them taken, but all said and done a pretty good performance.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: villa for life on October 24, 2010, 01:14:09 PM
didn't like him, glad he's gone, but unfortunately his myth is just going to be perpetuated now that we have fallen back to being a mid-table team rather than being a top six one. That's how outsiders will see it whereas of course if he'd done the decent thing and resigned a couple of months before, we would have been prepared for this season.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on October 24, 2010, 01:59:48 PM
didn't like him, glad he's gone, but unfortunately his myth is just going to be perpetuated now that we have fallen back to being a mid-table team rather than being a top six one. That's how outsiders will see it whereas of course if he'd done the decent thing and resigned a couple of months before, we would have been prepared for this season.
but then he ran the risk of someone else actually taking us forward and his media gained reputation would have taken a dent... as it is, he left us in the shit, so if we now drop below 6th, his wanker media mates will claim how brilliant o'neill was to get us "over achieving" and we were wrong not to spunk more money on crap like mcgeady (and in a seperate article, criticise other clubs for not balancing the books)...

thats why he left when he did... he is a vindictive self absorbed c*** of the highest order...
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Hammer on October 24, 2010, 02:12:41 PM
Love him or hate him, we were moving in the right direction.


No we weren't.

100% Agree, unless one thinks that playing long balls tactics, snobbing the Europa League,  and throwing money for average players with high wages is moving in the right direction.


We were going in the right direction under O'Neill up to the 93rd minute of the Stoke home game in 08/09.  Then we plateaued. As long as the results were improving, then I could look past his faults. But his tactics and strategy got ruthlessly exposed.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 24, 2010, 02:57:10 PM
Heard houllier on 5 live just saying he hopes to bring in one or two in January but most of his deals will be in the summer- as regards o neill I really think he will pitch up at newcastle very soon indeed, can't see him getting a top 6 job again!

Incidentally  where is our friend gregnash? Not seen him on here since the week o neill walked out!

Maybe Greg Nash was MON..  like a kind of Norman Bates ... Jekyl and Hyde ;-)
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: barrysleftfoot on October 24, 2010, 03:36:06 PM


  I think some of you are under the delusion that i am a MON fan.........i'm not partic but i think he is an effective manager.

  I'm in the paulie camp, thought he was reasonably successful, not the best football, and a bit petulant, but you can't argue that he does get results, and he will get a big job.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2010, 03:48:02 PM


  I think some of you are under the delusion that i am a MON fan.........i'm not partic but i think he is an effective manager.

 


In some people's eyes, thinking he's a good manager means you worship him. I think Houllier is a good manager too. Hope that doesn't confuse them, although it's not difficult.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 24, 2010, 04:01:03 PM
Percy, he's behind you! (winky)
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 24, 2010, 04:03:27 PM


  I think some of you are under the delusion that i am a MON fan.........i'm not partic but i think he is an effective manager.

 


In some people's eyes, thinking he's a good manager means you worship him. I think Houllier is a good manager too. Hope that doesn't confuse them, although it's not difficult.

Ironically, the person who most mentions the words "worship" and "MON" in the same sentence these days is you, Perc, when you keep bringing the above point up.

Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2010, 04:12:26 PM


  I think some of you are under the delusion that i am a MON fan.........i'm not partic but i think he is an effective manager.

 


In some people's eyes, thinking he's a good manager means you worship him. I think Houllier is a good manager too. Hope that doesn't confuse them, although it's not difficult.

Ironically, the person who most mentions the words "worship" and "MON" in the same sentence these days is you, Perc, when you keep bringing the above point up.



No. It's Fletch and Mrs. Overall, easy. I'm hoping that one day it will sink in.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
Far too easy to wind you up, there's no sport in it.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2010, 04:16:48 PM
Far too easy to wind you up, there's no sport in it.

It wasn't me who lost my temper and got the Liverpool thread deleted.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2010, 04:20:02 PM
Far too easy to wind you up, there's no sport in it.

It wasn't me who lost my temper and got the Liverpool thread deleted.
I didn't lose my temper, I was just stting facts and then whoosh it disappeared.
I won't get into an unseemly row with you though, otherwise Woodhall will be PM'ing me again saying
'Stop picking on him.'
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2010, 04:33:25 PM
Far too easy to wind you up, there's no sport in it.

It wasn't me who lost my temper and got the Liverpool thread deleted.
I didn't lose my temper, I was just stting facts and then whoosh it disappeared.
I won't get into an unseemly row with you though, otherwise Woodhall will be PM'ing me again saying
'Stop picking on him.'


You said I'm thick, had small man syndrome, and am a liar. No facts there, and sounds like someone losing their temper to me. Does fantasising about being able to pick on me make you feel better? You big, bad bully you. Ha! Poor me!
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2010, 04:46:02 PM
Far too easy to wind you up, there's no sport in it.

It wasn't me who lost my temper and got the Liverpool thread deleted.
I didn't lose my temper, I was just stting facts and then whoosh it disappeared.
I won't get into an unseemly row with you though, otherwise Woodhall will be PM'ing me again saying
'Stop picking on him.'


You said I'm thick, had small man syndrome, and am a liar. No facts there. And please stop fantasising about being able to pick on me.
Well there you go, stating facts.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2010, 04:48:26 PM
Shall we wrap this one up now chaps?
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2010, 04:50:21 PM
Shall we wrap this one up now chaps?
Gladly Dave, but for some unfathomable reason, he had to bring my name into his post about not being obsessed with O'Neill.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2010, 04:54:44 PM
Shall we wrap this one up now chaps?
Gladly Dave, but for some unfathomable reason, he had to bring my name into his post about not being obsessed with O'Neill.

It's not unfathomable if you read what paulie said. And please note I haven't insulted you.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2010, 04:56:25 PM
At Dave's request, I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 24, 2010, 05:19:44 PM
As Dave made clear in other threads those in the know know exactly what a shit O'Neill is.

I must have missed this.  What is the meant to have happened?  And where has this knowledge come from?
Please tell what you can (without risking a law-suit).
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2010, 06:57:43 PM
At Dave's request, I'll leave it there.

Fair enough. Let's give peace a chance.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2010, 07:32:18 PM
Apologies from me for the stupid offensive remarks.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2010, 10:13:47 PM
Apologies from me for the stupid offensive remarks.

Accepted, apologies from me too.

I wasn't offended. The hardest thing is trying to respond how one would really like to without getting banned haha! Sometimes I wish they'd let us have an 'anything goes' argument. Then again, it's probably for the best they don't. No hard feelings.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: joe_c on October 25, 2010, 12:18:27 AM
Make of this what you will but I was told last week that he was told the size of the transfer budget and of the need to move players on in May and was set to walk then (and apparently in retrospect wishes he had) but thought he could persuade the chairman over the summer that he should make more funds available to him and when this didn't happen he went. The source is a relatively normal nose who met a friend of O'Neill's at a wedding reception so take it with as much salt as you see fit.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 25, 2010, 08:02:31 AM
Regardless of what we think of O'Neill, he's going to be hard pushed to find a new club with much to spend in this financial climate.
I can't see Newcastle shelling out much under Ashley and I don't think Liverpool are inclined to go mad either.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: brontebilly on October 25, 2010, 11:05:06 AM
Regardless of what we think of O'Neill, he's going to be hard pushed to find a new club with much to spend in this financial climate.
I can't see Newcastle shelling out much under Ashley and I don't think Liverpool are inclined to go mad either.

As Dave W has said Liverpool is a non runner for him.

Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal - absolutely no chance

City if Mancini goes - he will be a long way down the list I reckon.

Everton if Moyes goes perhaps but then again no real money there

Newcastle not unless Ashley sells to a sheik - arabs arent that stupid

west ham - no money

sunderland perhaps - think they will struggle this season despite their victory at the weekend. Really thought apart from Onouha in particular and Henderson that they were a poor side.

I cant think where he will go really especially with Uefa's 70% wagecap coming in. To be honest I think in British football circles his name is dirt after his antics this summer and even though his star was on the wane anyway, he really has noone to blame but himself. As a manager its abroad he needs to go anyway like McClaren to pick up new ideas.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: The Man With A Stick on October 25, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
I really can't imagine him working abroad.  He'd probably take a few hundred tins of Heinz beans with him, you wouldn't catch him eating any of that foreign muck.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 25, 2010, 01:50:48 PM
So he didn't say a great deal then.

I am somewhat surprised that none of the folks who left have said anything. If it was an unexpected walk out, and I have no reason to question the board on the fact they were surprised by the timing, then seems it a bit odd to me that they would have nailed the lot of them down to confidentiality clauses.

Oh well.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Reality on October 25, 2010, 03:24:53 PM
Make of this what you will but I was told last week that he was told the size of the transfer budget and of the need to move players on in May and was set to walk then (and apparently in retrospect wishes he had) but thought he could persuade the chairman over the summer that he should make more funds available to him and when this didn't happen he went. The source is a relatively normal nose who met a friend of O'Neill's at a wedding reception so take it with as much salt as you see fit.

Wouldn't be surprised with that Joe whatsoever. He certainly has a habit of walking out on clubs when he doesn't get his own way, but even at that what a spoilt brat. He was given millions to spend and pissed some of it up the wall on absolute trash.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 25, 2010, 03:26:20 PM
I suspect the reason we haven't heard Martin's reasons for leaving is that it wouldn't reflect well on him if we did.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Reality on October 25, 2010, 03:28:27 PM
Regardless of what we think of O'Neill, he's going to be hard pushed to find a new club with much to spend in this financial climate.
I can't see Newcastle shelling out much under Ashley and I don't think Liverpool are inclined to go mad either.

As Dave W has said Liverpool is a non runner for him.

Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal - absolutely no chance

City if Mancini goes - he will be a long way down the list I reckon.

Everton if Moyes goes perhaps but then again no real money there

Newcastle not unless Ashley sells to a sheik - arabs arent that stupid

west ham - no money

sunderland perhaps - think they will struggle this season despite their victory at the weekend. Really thought apart from Onouha in particular and Henderson that they were a poor side.

I cant think where he will go really especially with Uefa's 70% wagecap coming in. To be honest I think in British football circles his name is dirt after his antics this summer and even though his star was on the wane anyway, he really has noone to blame but himself. As a manager its abroad he needs to go anyway like McClaren to pick up new ideas.

The fact that he walked out before the new season or 3 consecutive 6th placed finishes with a side that was nearly relegated a few years before it. Throw in a Carling Cup final and an FA Cup Semi-Final and the signings of like Ashley Young. Someone in the Premier League will take a chance with him. You can be rest assured about that.

Which is why I imagine Mr. O'Neill has been very quiet and secretive over this. He'll be looking to explain his reasons for walking out to the new chairman, owner, whatever and ensure it stays out of the public media.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Pete3206 on October 25, 2010, 11:56:40 PM
Perhaps we already have the full story and everything is now being repeated ad nauseam.

 
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2010, 08:30:13 AM
I'm loving his history of Britain programme though.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1260000/images/_1260807_simon_schama150.jpg
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: brontebilly on October 26, 2010, 09:09:31 AM
Regardless of what we think of O'Neill, he's going to be hard pushed to find a new club with much to spend in this financial climate.
I can't see Newcastle shelling out much under Ashley and I don't think Liverpool are inclined to go mad either.

As Dave W has said Liverpool is a non runner for him.

Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal - absolutely no chance

City if Mancini goes - he will be a long way down the list I reckon.

Everton if Moyes goes perhaps but then again no real money there

Newcastle not unless Ashley sells to a sheik - arabs arent that stupid

west ham - no money

sunderland perhaps - think they will struggle this season despite their victory at the weekend. Really thought apart from Onouha in particular and Henderson that they were a poor side.

I cant think where he will go really especially with Uefa's 70% wagecap coming in. To be honest I think in British football circles his name is dirt after his antics this summer and even though his star was on the wane anyway, he really has noone to blame but himself. As a manager its abroad he needs to go anyway like McClaren to pick up new ideas.

The fact that he walked out before the new season or 3 consecutive 6th placed finishes with a side that was nearly relegated a few years before it. Throw in a Carling Cup final and an FA Cup Semi-Final and the signings of like Ashley Young. Someone in the Premier League will take a chance with him. You can be rest assured about that.

Which is why I imagine Mr. O'Neill has been very quiet and secretive over this. He'll be looking to explain his reasons for walking out to the new chairman, owner, whatever and ensure it stays out of the public media.

3 consecutive 6th placed finishes aint all that for the money he spent. Consider 'arry redknapp 2 points from 8 games who took Spurs into the Champs League or Moyes who took Everton ahead of us and also into the Champions League places. Paul Jewell can throw in an unsuccessful carling cup final on his cv, Fa Cup semi final we really are pushing the boat out to be honest. You could also mention our disastrous europe misadventures and other cup woes if you wanted to be balanced about our cup record under MON.

Fact is he took us no higher in the league than Atkinson, Little, Gregory or O'Leary. The first three have better cup records. Little took us to 4th and 5th yet didnt pick up a decent job after. MON was bankrolled to the hilt to take us into the Champions League. Gave it a decent shot but failed. Left behind a wage bill spiralled out of control and an aging unbalanced squad - similar to his time at Glasgow Celtic. Gordon Strachan and Alex McLeish took their respective SPL sides further in the Champions League too. The myth of MON and his delusional sense of self worth has been exposed at Villa Park. Maybe he 'has realised his self worth at this stage' as he said he needed to after the 7-1 defeat at Chelsea.

To be honest after the self interested chancers we have had at the helm - Gregory, DOL, MON its almost a relief to have someone genuine. We all have our doubts about Houllier but he has assembled a good backroom team, given everyone a decent shot trying to play better football and lets see in January what he can bring in. We could surprise this season yet I reckon.

Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: wozwebs on October 26, 2010, 09:12:07 AM
Looks like he's off to..... Saudi Arabia

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Martin-O-Neill-in-talks-with-Saudi-club-Al-Hilal-about-a-return-to-management-on-a-tax-free-two-year-mega-deal-article613709.html
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2010, 09:17:21 AM
I can imagine Carew joining him.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 26, 2010, 09:19:28 AM
I can imagine Carew joining him.
That might be too much effort for Carew.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: paulcomben on October 26, 2010, 09:22:27 AM
Who knew that Martin O'Neill is an anagram of Totally Mercenary.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: richard moore on October 26, 2010, 09:54:02 AM
I can imagine Carew joining him.
That might be too much effort for Carew.

Made me smile, excellent and I agree!
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: TimTheVillain on October 26, 2010, 10:03:12 AM
Can't believe Eriksson turned that down !
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 26, 2010, 10:05:05 AM
Can't believe Eriksson turned that down !
It's because he can't check out all the women over there.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 26, 2010, 11:47:34 AM
Who knew that Martin O'Neill is an anagram of Totally Mercenary.
To be fair, he does have six families to feed.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Leighton on October 26, 2010, 12:09:13 PM
He's set to announce Ian Storey-Moore as his chief overseas scout. Be a perfect role for him as he hasn't got a passport to leave the UK.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 26, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
He's set to announce Ian Storey-Moore as his chief overseas scout. Be a perfect role for him as he hasn't got a passport to leave the UK.

I like it.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: The Man With A Stick on October 26, 2010, 12:15:11 PM
Any chance of them playing O'Dreary's mob?  I could take a big box of rotten eggs along and kill two birds with one stone.
Title: Re: O'Neill speaks
Post by: Leighton on October 26, 2010, 12:21:44 PM
Any chance of them playing O'Dreary's mob?  I could take a big box of rotten eggs along and kill two birds with one stone.

Did you just say Jehova?
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