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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chris Harte on October 13, 2010, 10:16:38 AM
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What are your feelings on the England football team at present. Four months on from a shambolic World Cup showing and the morning after a draw against a nation rated marginally better than Burkina Faso, are you as enthusiastic about England? Or have you lost interest in a team that hasn't put in a decent showing at a major competition since the Euro Championships in Portugal in 2004?
(This perhaps belongs in the International section but hope the mods will leave it here for now just to get exposure.)
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i think they're tossers... from the fa men at the top, to the players at the bottom...
its not so much the fact we havent won anything since 1966, or done that well since 1996, as i have been convinced we simply arent good enough for many a year now, despite the media hyperbole about their favourite players, it just irritates me how players like gerrard, lampard, rooney, terry, etc, can all be so shit, for so long, yet still command a place in the team, simply down to their media love in gained "reputation" (christ, they even have cringeworthy nicknames for them, i mean, 'stevie g'?... *shudder*), and the commercial value to the fa...
and these players believe it themselves... they believe they are the worlds best players, they believe the world owes them, and they believe they are above any normal rules and laws that apply to everyone else... (and in "stevie g's" case, maybe that is true...) footballers live on another planet... the english "untouchables", live in another galaxy... personally, i would love it if they all lived on io... bunch of c***s...
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Apathy.
I couldn't care less about the current squad and some of the players - just like they themselves apparently couldn't care less. I care more about the name 'England' and the football, so seeing us humiliated does sting, but overall, I'm quite distant from International Football.
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I chose the tossers' option.
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In my limited memory of England matches, let's say 20-25 years, I think there have been maybe only three performances that I could say I was proud with. Too often, it is routine 2-0 wins against average Euro opposition, poor draws against the same, or stereotypical penalties heartache.
I was glad Germany thumped us in the world cup.
Didn't watch last night but the team sheet shows how poor the squad is right now.
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Not interested at all, although slightly if Ash is playing.
I'm not sure most of the players are that interested, probably because they don't get paid, greedy bastards.
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I'll watch all the games on the TV, sadly because its very rare that I've got something better to do of an evening.
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If its on ITV I'll watch if its a qualifier or a cup game, If its on Sky I don't bother. England are not as good as they/some others think and I always think we'll do shite in tournaments even though everyone else thinks we'll win it again!!
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Will watch it when I can but have lost a lot of love for the national team over the last 5 years or so. Generally I can 'take it or leave it' when it comes to qualifiers and will avoid international friendlies as best I can.
An indication of my interest could be summed up by the fact I only watched the first 10 and final 10 minutes last night - I slept through the rest of the game.
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Firstly, I'm Irish so am the one person to click the first option above.
Yet I live in the country and follow English football, so I do like to see England do well. The problem is that everytime they lose, or as per last night draw, a game we hear all this stuff about grass roots and coaching etc. And everytime they win it's "We'll be strong contenders at the tournament". So fucking annoying.
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I am the same as most people on here i will watch it if it is on itv and if it's on sky i am not really bothered.
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I watch them whenever I'm able, but I also think they're all a bunch of tossers.
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I only watched the highlights last night and to be perfectly honest I don’t really care if they lose or not which is quite sad really and I put this down to them mainly being a bunch of tossbanks and the hype that they receive in the media.
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I wouldn't bracket them all as tossers, but I find it impossible to support a team that contains the likes of Rooney, Terry, Cole and so on. It's not my fault I was born on the same island as them. Put me down as another who lapped up the Germany-England game, I thought it was brilliant entertainment.
The arrogance of the supporters and the media really doesn't matters help either. It's no wonder the Scots, Irish, Welsh and just about every other country love to see us fail.
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I wouldn't bracket them all as tossers, but I find it impossible to support a team that contains the likes of Rooney, Terry, Cole and so on.
Exactly the same here. I find it hard to support England with these players in the team. I half wanted to watch because of A.Young, but in the end let my wife watch Holby (Ah shit I enjoy it too)
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Was going to sit down and write a comment......but this, for me hits all nails on said head...full stop !!!
i think they're tossers... from the fa men at the top, to the players at the bottom...
its not so much the fact we havent won anything since 1966, or done that well since 1996, as i have been convinced we simply arent good enough for many a year now, despite the media hyperbole about their favourite players, it just irritates me how players like gerrard, lampard, rooney, terry, etc, can all be so shit, for so long, yet still command a place in the team, simply down to their media love in gained "reputation" (christ, they even have cringeworthy nicknames for them, i mean, 'stevie g'?... *shudder*), and the commercial value to the fa...
and these players believe it themselves... they believe they are the worlds best players, they believe the world owes them, and they believe they are above any normal rules and laws that apply to everyone else... (and in "stevie g's" case, maybe that is true...) footballers live on another planet... the english "untouchables", live in another galaxy... personally, i would love it if they all lived on io... bunch of c***s...
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Over hyped and over rated.
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I do support England and will make an effort to watch every game that I possibly can. I also agree with the sentiment that it is increasingly difficult to watch our team of Terry's, Cole's, etcShame though because they are actually very good footballers.
But what is the thing that we dislike? Their money? Is it jealousy? Their lives outside of the game? Has it really been any diffeent over players and their sexual peccadilloes? If not is it becaus ethey are now elevated to the status of pop-star like celebrity?
Anyway, I still care because I'm English and I support England. I always want to see us win and even more so, see a Villa player do well when playing.
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I'm not English.
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Can you imagine it if we'd won the world cup? Arise Sir John Terry. Arise Sir Steven Gerrard. Arise Sir Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard Wayne Rooney etc. Doesn't bear thinking about. I laughed when we lost to Germany, especially when Barry got outpaced by Ozil for one of the goals. And yet, despite the evidence to the contrary Lampard still came out afterwards and said it wasn't a 4-1 game. He was right, but only in the sense that 5-1 or 6-1 would have been a better reflection of Germany's superiority. Arrogant twat.
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I care about England every bit as much as I do about Villa.
They annoy and frustrate me equally as well.
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I care about England every bit as much as I do about Villa.
They annoy and frustrate me equally as well.
How do you reconcile shouting abuse at Rooney/Gerrard one week and them cheering them on the next?
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the same way I would reconcile it if Rooney signed for villa tomorrow ?
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In years gone by, i've been disapointed when England have gone out of tournaments. At the last World Cup, i really did'nt care.
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I certainly don't have the interest I used to. I will still watch a major tournament and dip into the occasional game outside of this but that is about it.
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England are rubbish, they were even worse back in the 70's,
but i support Villa through thick and thin, same with England, my support for the team doesnt depend on how good or bad they are,
or i'd just go and support Man u, Chelsea or Spain
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i think they're tossers... from the fa men at the top, to the players at the bottom...
its not so much the fact we havent won anything since 1966, or done that well since 1996, as i have been convinced we simply arent good enough for many a year now, despite the media hyperbole about their favourite players, it just irritates me how players like gerrard, lampard, rooney, terry, etc, can all be so shit, for so long, yet still command a place in the team, simply down to their media love in gained "reputation" (christ, they even have cringeworthy nicknames for them, i mean, 'stevie g'?... *shudder*), and the commercial value to the fa...
and these players believe it themselves... they believe they are the worlds best players, they believe the world owes them, and they believe they are above any normal rules and laws that apply to everyone else... (and in "stevie g's" case, maybe that is true...) footballers live on another planet... the english "untouchables", live in another galaxy... personally, i would love it if they all lived on io... bunch of c***s...
This is an excellent wording of what i feel like
I would also add that in recent times (since Euro 96 actually) i hate all the false patriotism associated with the England team by plastic supporters
Flags on houses
England shirts in the pub
Screaming women in the pubs - when they really do no know what is going on or who is playing
Stupid flags on cars
IF you are that patriotic then do it all year round not just when there is a game on
Also the way like the quote states players for England become legends in their own time. ONce an established 15-18 cap regular then its almost like the players themselves will say when they will leave the squad - it does not matter who the manager is its always the same player living on reputations and the clubs they play for. PLayers that are well past their sell by date yet still trot out for the team
Everything is about corperate endorsements and nothing else
Rooney was total shit last night and any other player would have been hauled off - then the media this morning wanking over why Dean Richards is not starting or jack Wilshire - err you mean the players that dont play regulary for their clubs - surely its not because they play for London clubs that have so few English players in them ...mmmmmm
Fucking rotten all the way through it
Will watch only if there is a villa interest - but after last night and Ashley "I go down cheaper than one of Rooneys ho's" Young they can all piss off.
If he becomes a regular then i will bet my left nut he will become another billiy big bollocks and feel we are beneath him
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Don't really care how England do, though if Villa players are involved I like to see them do well.
Just a point on Montenegro - they are only the weakest seed because they only won independence five years ago. Yugoslavia were a traditionally pretty strong team, Bosnia and Serbia are decent these days, so to lump Montenegro in with Europe's minnows is a red herring imo.
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My interest has rapidly declined over the last 5-6 years as it has became more and more obvious that players are not picked by the England but a comitee of The Sun, Mirror, Daily Mail etc. When current form and ability is overlooked in the selection of players in favour of reputation and hype it becomes a joke. There is no pride, no passion from the players and they are not playing to keep or to win the shirt, hence a performance that is consistently average with early exits from tournaments. Would Kevin Davies be in the next England squad if he'd scored a couple of goals yesterday? I doubt it because Zamora, Defoe, Bent, Agbonlahor would be fit.
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Although I will always watch an England match and hope they win, I'm finding it difficult to be as passionate as I used to be when most the players don't seem to give a toss.
The likes of Cole, Terry and Rooney just seem to be arrogant toss pots to me, who think they are doing us a favour by playing for their Country.
When you look back at the passion shown by the players in days gone by (Germany in 1990, 1996 and the 5-1 in Munich), these lot aren't fit to wear the shirt.
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I also watched the U-21's yesterday. For the last 30 mins they were under constant pressure only because of their inability to make three consecutive passes.
There are dark days for the England team ahead...............
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I voted 'tossers'. I wasn't always like this though but as the years go by and I've been watching England for 25yrs or so now I cannot help but feel these guys do not care.
I want England to do well but I think we should just only pick players under the age of 30 years old. I think there are great players but unfortunately some of them cannot get games for their clubs because of foreign imports, if they did play more often then we may have a better future.
Ultimately this has alot to do with PL, SKY and the sickening amount of money players are on because after a few years these guys are made for life and do not have the same desire to win as they did early on in their careers.
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I'll watch allthe games but frankly I dont care for the team and whether they win, lose or draw.
I enjoyed the Euro's when McClaren failed to get us there, none of the over the top BS that we usually get subjected to.
International weeks deprive us of proper football.
Postman Pat gets 6m a year to do a part time job and after 2.5 years his grasp of English is still pathetic, he should have been binned after SA.
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I'll watch on TV if im able, but also haven't forgiven them for the World Cup.
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I'm not English but can I vote for the tossers option?
If England had players who weren't such gigantic overrated cocks I might actually want to see them do well.
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My dream scenario last night would have been a 4-3 Montenegro win with an Ashley Young hattrick
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Couldn't be bothered to watch and really haven't been that interested since the World Cup! My eldest son texted me to remind me it was on TV last night but I only checked the half time and full time scores so I could enter into a
conversation with him. The conversation went like this btw. "Crap isn't it" reply "Yeah".
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I think your all being really pathetic.
I can't believe what I'm reading, I'm English I'm very proud to be English.
I love watching England who are representing my country. No we are not the best at the moment, But I don't support a team depending on success.
People need to get over the fact that footballers are paid alot and have abit of pride. I don't agree with people who say they don't give a toss, because it's quite obvious they do, just look at the passion Gerrard showed in the friendly last month.
I can't believe there are that many narrow minded people who support the same club as me.
We all had a choice to support Villa, but we never got a choice on which country we're from.
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I think your all being really pathetic.
I can't believe what I'm reading, I'm English I'm very proud to be English.
I love watching England who are representing my country. No we are not the best at the moment, But I don't support a team depending on success.
People need to get over the fact that footballers are paid alot and have abit of pride. I don't agree with people who say they don't give a toss, because it's quite obvious they do, just look at the passion Gerrard showed in the friendly last month.
I can't believe there are that many narrow minded people who support the same club as me.
We all had a choice to support Villa, but we never got a choice on which country we're from.
You don't get a choice about what county you are born in, you do get a choice about whether you care about the football team. They've let us down too many times to be worth worrying about.
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I think your all being really pathetic.
They've let us down too many times to be worth worrying about.
All? Are you sure? That's not what the poll says.
Anyway, I find myself in agreement with Chris Smith.
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To ''not give a shit and happily call the English team tossers etc...'' despite being English is quite sad really, i'm sure those will still happily get their silly little car flags out and go crazy if England manage to get past the Q-Finals in Euro 2012. It's a blatant case of being fickle, I can assure you those people who say they don't give a shit will give a shit and take an intrest if England do well in Euro 2012.
I don't have a 100% English background but that doesn't stop me from wanting to see England do well (although I'm realistic in what England can achieve; I told everyone who thought England would win the World Cup that they're barking mad). Sure, I'm not a patriotic English fan and I'll happily admit that, but it's a hell of a lot better than being as fickle as fcuk when it comes to supporting England. How on earth can you be 'anti English' when you're English? lolwut.
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Crickey, don't some people get over excited over what other people think of those lazy, overpaid, immature, classless arsewipes that make up the majority of our national team.
I couldn't give a shit about the national team.
Fuck me - who's the fickle ones? those who spend the season giving Rooney, Rio, Stevie Gee, Ashley Cole and JT stick when they play for their clubs but fall over themselves in hero worship as soon as they play for England? Or those of us who hate them with a consistency
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I don't remember anyone saying they were anti-English while being English.
It looks like plenty haven't forgiven the national team (i.e, the players) for the last World Cup. I'm in that particular boat, and to be honest, after years and years of the media hype, the players acting like Billy-Big-Bollocks but not producing anything of note, the same tired old things been tried time-after-time I think that I've had enough of the false dawns, the disappointments.
As for England doing well in Euro 2012, it won't happen.
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Oh dear Chico... you 'hate' England despite being English? Like I said 'lolwut'.
Can you imagine the Germans, Dutch or Spanish hating their own national team? Half of the World Cup winning Spain team was filled with Barcelona players but that didn't stop the parties in Madrid.
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People need to get over the fact that footballers are paid alot and have abit of pride.
Have some pride, what like the players consistenly show? On the whole they do a pretty good job of giving the opposite impression.
There's no doubt that everyone on this site would love England to do well, but with all the fawning in the media over one off results and a number of false dawns is it any suprise that a lot of supporters look towards the 'worlds best players' who play for England with such apathy.
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I'll watch allthe games but frankly I dont care for the team and whether they win, lose or draw.
International weeks deprive us of proper football.
Yep.
Fuck me - who's the fickle ones? those who spend the season giving Rooney, Rio, Stevie Gee, Ashley Cole and JT stick when they play for their clubs but fall over themselves in hero worship as soon as they play for England? Or those of us who hate them with a consistency
Darn straight.
I never get too worked up about international football, it's only a distraction from the real business of AVFC and I find the international week as dull as dishwater. If I had to back anyone I'd find it easier to support Ireland. Largely for family reasons and the fact that I spend quite a bit of time there for work. I'm not particularly fussed whether they win or lose TBH, they're just not as disagreeable as a side containing the likes of Ashley Cole, JT Stevie G and all the other abbreviated cock-ends. I can't turn my contempt on and off like some seem to be able to do.
I support England in that most English of sports cricket though. Go figure.
I used to like to see Villa players breaking through to the international side and gaining recognition but now it just seems to be a prelude to a big money move. You sit and wait and wonder who will be the next player to have his head turned by Club England muppets discussing pay packets and coming back to VP with a head the size of Kate Winslett's arse.
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Oh dear Chico... you 'hate' England despite being English? Like I said 'lolwut'
sorry, kid, but you're going to have to translate that last phrase.
I don't hate England, by the way. I hate that bunch of no-marks who represent England
and, I give even less of a shit about what Germans, Dutch etc think of their teams.
I'm a Villa fan, that's why I post messages on a Villa fans' messageboard
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I think Kate Winslett's alright. But I agree with Kev Gage on just about everything else. I really can take or leave England these days; I lost my passion for them during Euro 2004, when the tournament was there for the taking and we blew it. Since then it's been pretty depressing watching the same old big names paff about and deliver very little. And nothing really changes. We'll qualify - because we're always in a group where England are the top side - and do very little in the tournament. I was hoping there would be a brave new era after the World Cup but instead we've seen the introduction of Bobby Zamora and, now Zamora's injured, Kevin Davies. I'm all for chances for those outside the top four but I'd rather see some long-term planning - sacrifice the Euros and build for the next WC.
To be honest, I find international weeks a nuisance. Deprives me of PL football and, when the squad is announced, I find myself hoping no Villa players are in it, in case they get injured. The second half was on at home last night but I just caught glimpses of the game and didn't watch it properly. An England game on TV being optional viewing? Saws it all for me.
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So you hate the England team... because afterall it's the 'bunch of no-marks' who play and represent the English national team.
You can not give a shit about what the Germans, Dutch and Spanish think - that's fine, but I did point out you wouldn't be getting this ridiculous anarchy from the people of those countries towards their national team; that's probably why all 3 of those teams would beat England convincingly (tbf, we've already witnessed what Germany did to England).
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but I did point out you wouldn't be getting this ridiculous anarchy from the people of those countries towards their national team; that's probably why all 3 of those teams would beat England convincingly
So you think that the reason Germany, Spain, Holland are much better technically than us, much more succesful in international football, play a much more attractive game and would beat England 9 times out of 10 is because their supporters like them more than English supporters like England?
Anyway, this thread should be off topic
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Errr, I never said that... but it's the type of "I'm English and can't stop myself from hating John Terry, Gerrard etc... when they play against Montenegro in a qualifyer, but if England won the World Cup I'd be kissing their arses like it's 1999" attitude which really leaves me bewildered.
Like I said, half the Spanish team who won the World Cup play for Barca but that didn't stop Madrid and the rest of Spain celebrating and not caring which players played for which clubs.
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So you hate the England team... because afterall it's the 'bunch of no-marks' who play and represent the English national team.
You can not give a shit about what the Germans, Dutch and Spanish think - that's fine, but I did point out you wouldn't be getting this ridiculous anarchy from the people of those countries towards their national team; that's probably why all 3 of those teams would beat England convincingly (tbf, we've already witnessed what Germany did to England).
Absolute balls.
The bulk of that Spanish team is from Catalonia and traditionally Basque players formed a big part of the side too.
Players are players and they'll play to the highest standard possible - against the best opposition possible. But ask people in Catalonia and the Basque region what they think of Spain. You won't find widespread support, put it that way.
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I have a total ambivalence towards the England football team despite being (as far as I've gone back in the family tree) very, very English. And I can absolutely gurantee you that should England win the next five World Cups I will not be putting a flag on my car.
Yet I love to see our cricket team win, love to see our athletes win medals in The Olympics, cheer on our cyclists etc. etc.
I think that says something about how I see our footballers.
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The thing is Villa have left me pissed off plenty of times. We are never near winning things. Our players would appear arrogant and we would hate them if they didnt play for villa.
In short everything that people hate England for could equally apply to villa.
I wont stop supporting Villa and I wont stop supporting England.
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@Kevin... er yeah, I kinda made that point about most of the players in the Spanish team play for Barcelona like 40 minutes ago. If you're saying the Catalan's weren't celebrating Spain's world cup win (which they were btw, except for probably a few 75 year old men) then like you said, why are so many Catalan's playing for Spain? Madridstas were celebrating Spain winning the world cup and so were the Catalan's and Northerners.
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Spain has had probably the most fractured support of any of the bigger nations in recent years.
When Spain played Bulgaria in Euro 96 a fair few Catalans supported Stoichkov's side. So 75 year old men? No. The popular support for the Spanish national side in those areas ranges from indifference to outright hostility - I know because I've lived there.
And no amount of LOL/ LOOL or any other semi illiterate text speak will give your piss poor argument any credence.
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Tossers. Will generally only watch if there's a Villa player in the side.
As for the Spanish, they put aside all their politics and rivalry, behaved like men and got on with the job. If the tossers that play for England put their egos to one side, they might make a half decent team. Whilst the team still has twats like Terry and especially Gerrard in the side, England will continue to be no hopers.
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One thing I don't understand is that when you don't get paid for international football, why some players play for countries that are not their own.
I mean Phil Bardsley probably only decided to play for Scotland as he couldn't get a game for England.
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Apathy.
Had it on in the background last night. Wasn't really bothered.
Big group of us used to make a point of meeting up for a few jars for every England game but we just don't bother any more.
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Oh dear Chico... you 'hate' England despite being English? Like I said 'lolwut'
We don't hate the England team, we just don't care enough. Sorry if you can't get your head around that.
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Oh dear Chico... you 'hate' England despite being English? Like I said 'lolwut'
We don't hate the England team, we just don't care enough. Sorry if you can't get your head around that.
its all about the prem now and SKY tv,
international football will go the way of the League Cup and EUFA cup, probably already has,
'Super Sunday' is where its at now, not some England qualifier which cost us our weekend fix of the super prem
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Yeah, but all the people who say they don't 'care' for the English team are just being fickle... are you honestly telling me you wouldn't care or watch the World Cup final if England were playing in it? This is what i'm talking about, poor attitude.
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Yeah, but all the people who say they don't 'care' for the English team are just being fickle... are you honestly telling me you wouldn't care or watch the World Cup final if England were playing in it? This is what i'm talking about, poor attitude.
"All" the people? I wouldn't care, for a start.
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Yeah, but all the people who say they don't 'care' for the English team are just being fickle... are you honestly telling me you wouldn't care or watch the World Cup final if England were playing in it? This is what i'm talking about, poor attitude.
Of course i'd watch it and of course i'd want them to win, but i would'nt lose too much sleep over it if they did'nt.
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Yeah, but all the people who say they don't 'care' for the English team are just being fickle... are you honestly telling me you wouldn't care or watch the World Cup final if England were playing in it? This is what i'm talking about, poor attitude.
to be honest, i dont think we need worry to much about this happening just yet
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Yeah, but all the people who say they don't 'care' for the English team are just being fickle... are you honestly telling me you wouldn't care or watch the World Cup final if England were playing in it? This is what i'm talking about, poor attitude.
Of course i'd watch it and of course i'd want them to win, but i would'nt lose too much sleep over it if they did'nt.
Nor would I lose too much sleep if England lost in the World Cup final... I'd initially be a bit gutted, but a couple of beers and I'd be fine again.
It's good to now establish that England fans don't really care about the England national team unless they're doing really well. Imagine standing in a pub full of England fans just as England lift the World Cup and you see one person looking disinterested, go over to them and ask why, upon hearing an English accent you hear "I'm English BUT, I don't care for the national team", everyone would think you're an oddball lol. I know a few Hoorah Henry's who are more into their cricket and rugby union, but I know they'd be really happy if England won the World Cup.
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Yeah, but all the people who say they don't 'care' for the English team are just being fickle... are you honestly telling me you wouldn't care or watch the World Cup final if England were playing in it? This is what i'm talking about, poor attitude.
Spot on fickle and hypocritical. People are using one rule for Villa an then a totally different one for England.
It's people like those on here, with bad attitudes and single-minded views, which has contributed to the negative media frenzy surrounding England.
I bet you were all great England fans in 1990 or 96 against Scotland.
Absolutly pathetic views off supposed 'football fans'.
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Yeah, but all the people who say they don't 'care' for the English team are just being fickle... are you honestly telling me you wouldn't care or watch the World Cup final if England were playing in it? This is what i'm talking about, poor attitude.
Spot on fickle and hypocritical. People are using one rule for Villa an then a totally different one for England.
It's people like those on here, with bad attitudes and single-minded views, which has contributed to the negative media frenzy surrounding England.
I bet you were all great England fans in 1990 or 96 against Scotland.
Absolutly pathetic views off supposed 'football fans'.
You're not quite getting the point here.
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england national team?? no passion ,just overated over paid and not as good as they think they are,if it wasnt for the invasion of foreign players the premier league would be just average anyway.
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If it had anything to do with a lack of success I don't think these 'fickle' England fans would be talking about it on a Villa forum.
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england national team?? no passion ,just overated over paid and not as good as they think they are,if it wasnt for the invasion of foreign players the premier league would be just average anyway.
But against hungry there was passion!
Where was the passion with Villa at Newcastle?
Or at Chelsea last season.
But villa had plenty against west ham and Everton.
So hypocritical!
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being honest doesnt make you fickle, just shows your living in the real world not the world of hype and make beleive
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Yeah, but all the people who say they don't 'care' for the English team are just being fickle... are you honestly telling me you wouldn't care or watch the World Cup final if England were playing in it? This is what i'm talking about, poor attitude.
Spot on fickle and hypocritical. People are using one rule for Villa an then a totally different one for England.
That's me in a nut shell. I'm a one man team, my club.
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I can only echo Chico's comments regarding the sudden about turn in supporting players like Rooney et al. One minute they score against my team, run to my supporters and take the piss and a week later I'm supposed to cheer them on? I don't fuckin' think so.
I take a passing interest in the national side because I'm a football fan, but if our players acted in the way those that represent England do on a regular basis, and without censure, I would be embarrassed and ashamed.
And Fat Franks comment after the Germany game tells you all you need to know in the endless quest to explain away Englands dire record since 1966.
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england national team?? no passion ,just overated over paid and not as good as they think they are,if it wasnt for the invasion of foreign players the premier league would be just average anyway.
But against hungry there was passion!
Where was the passion with Villa at Newcastle?
Or at Chelsea last season.
But villa had plenty against west ham and Everton.
So hypocritical!
It sounds like you're trying to suggest that we should feel the same about England as we do about Villa.
If you enjoy watching England, then fine, but don't assume that everyone else should share the same passion as you. Losing 6-0 up at Newcastle bothered me more than England losing 4-1 to Germany.
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england national team?? no passion ,just overated over paid and not as good as they think they are,if it wasnt for the invasion of foreign players the premier league would be just average anyway.
But against hungry there was passion!
Where was the passion with Villa at Newcastle?
Or at Chelsea last season.
But villa had plenty against west ham and Everton.
So hypocritical!
It sounds like you're trying to suggest that we should feel the same about England as we do about Villa.
If you enjoy watching England, then fine, but don't assume that everyone else should share the same passion as you. Losing 6-0 up at Newcastle bothered me more than England losing 4-1 to Germany.
Not getting a winner against Bolton bothered me more than England losing to Germany.
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Certain things make me proud to be English - (although with age that has started to diminish) however being a fan of the England team is not one of them.
To state the obvious - they lack passion, are overpaid (for their clubs) and seem obsessed with image and how they can profit from it.
The hype from the media is overbearing as is the over reaction to drawing /losing etc.
Finally the hysteria generated at World Cup/ Euros time borders on the extreme - i.e. all the cars bedecked with all things St George - ask the drivers to name the date of the patron saint day and you are normally met with a blank expression. Nothing wrong with patriotism if it is genuine and positively focused however I find this England football lark a tad false and jingoistic.
PS things that me proud to be British are things like our (usual) tolerance to foreigners, the Red Arrows, decent beer, the NHS (principles) and of course the Villa
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After spending £60 to get in, £7.50 for crap food, an hour trying to get to the tube and not getting home til 1am, my stance is I aint gonna bother again - tho it was good to see Ash be the best player on the pitch despite what the pundits say!
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I love England as much as I do Villa, a rarity I know but my thinking is you're born to your country and have no choice, you can choose your club. I love going to England games, but having kids has meant my footballing support is my season ticket at Villa.
My problem with England is that over the years as the players have got richer and had the joys of playing in the chumpions league is more appealing than stepping out with an England shirt on. They just don't give a shit.
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Voted for the tossers option, could have easily voted for the no interest option. What generally happens is I start out not interested, then there's a sudden, infectious glimmer of hope that moves me into mild interest territory, then it goes pear shaped, and I think 'whatever'.
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It's funny how not so long ago 5 or 6 of these 'tossers' were Villa players. With everyone crying on here because Ash weren't given a chance.
Funny how I stood with 40,000 people Down Villa chanting 'Barry for England'
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There you go again with your "everybody."
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It's funny how not so long ago 5 or 6 of these 'tossers' were Villa players. With everyone crying on here because Ash weren't given a chance.
Funny how I stood with 40,000 people Down Villa chanting 'Barry for England'
That's supporting Villa and their players. Doesn't have anything to do with England as a team.
If I thought that chanting "Downing for England" would help his confidence and spur him on to do better for Villa then sign me up.
Do I care if he ends up playing for England for the sake of England? Not even a little bit.
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Not forgiven them for all tournaments post Italia 90.
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Gibbo, it's like this. Villa come first and if England do well and win tournaments, then that's a bonus. If they don't, i'm not going to ring Talksport and get irate.
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How do i stand on England? Unfortunately i now usually sit. Used to get up for the games but now, apart from the tournaments i don't really bother much. Just something about supporting people like Terry, Cole, Lescott etc, all i see when watching them is big pound signs not footballers. Shame.
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Imagine standing in a pub full of England fans just as England lift the World Cup
The very last place I'd rather be when any England match is on is a pub full of England fans.
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It's funny how not so long ago 5 or 6 of these 'tossers' were Villa players. With everyone crying on here because Ash weren't given a chance.
Funny how I stood with 40,000 people Down Villa chanting 'Barry for England'
You didn't see me crying on here about Ash not getting a chance for England. I never want another Villa player to represent England ever again, it ruins them.
I do support England but they are a distant second to Villa who are my passion and pride and joy. Just because I happened to be born in England doesn't obligate me to support them and niether does it make me fickle if I call them a load of arseholes for letting us down for the umpteenth time. That's the thing of it I suppose, all these great players we're constantly told about who play for Man U, Citeh, Liverpool and Spuds and they've served up fuck all of note for years and years.
And I'd like to add that the treatment the Champions of '81 side got by the then England manager was a fucking disgrace. The FA and 'Team England' can fuck right off, leave my club alone, leave football fans alone and carry on throwing concerts at that giant shithole in north London you spunked nearly a billion quid on to help pay the money back.
The English FA and the team are not fit to do the job, the whole system needs changing from the top down.
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It's funny how not so long ago 5 or 6 of these 'tossers' were Villa players. With everyone crying on here because Ash weren't given a chance.
Funny how I stood with 40,000 people Down Villa chanting 'Barry for England'
Yes, and how did that turn out? He established himself for England then promptly fucked off.
See also Milner, James.
I don't know if mixing with England tossers was one of the main reasons for them shitting off when they did, but the fact is they did, and if there's any chance it had anything to do with it, I would gladly have none of our players play for England ever again.
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i used to be passionate about England, i still want to be but i cant anymore, The FA and the national team tell you everything that is bad about the game in this country over hyped over paid no style no substance no class,
They are a joke
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Could there be an option for England to win the next world cup and then a sniper to take out the players one by one so they wouldn't have a chance to celebrate?
The vast majority of them are utter utter wankers. They only care about whats in their pockets (apart from Cheating on their wives and beating up DJs).
I want the England team to do well for the die hard england fans sake, but the scum on the pitch deserve absolutely no glory.
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WC 2002 I think was the last time I was genuinely interested in England, mainly because they had a decent side and I was travelling in aus at the time and watched all the games with fellow countrymen and had a brilliant time, watching pretty much every game of the tournament.
Have to say though, my interest has declined sharply over the last few tournaments since then to the point where I only watched one game during the Sth Africa world cup. The time difference between aus and SA probably didn't help matters. However, I would gladly (and did) stay up all night watching the last Ashes series and be fucked going to work knackered the next day.
The fact that the england football team couldn't seem to really give a toss about playing for England lately, probably reflects in me not being arsed to stay up late and watch their games. I sometimes think I will stay up and watch, but then as it starts getting later, I just think - really can't be arsed, and go to bed.
Its funny, the couple of people on here saying what if England won the WC or Euro 2012? I really don't think I'd be that excited by it. Pleased yes, but I wouldn't be tieing a St George's flag round my shoulders and dancing in the fountains in Brisbane city centre. If we manage to scrape a win at the gabba next month though, things might be different...
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...if England do well and win tournaments, then that's a bonus.
File under "Off Topic - Jokes".
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Funny how I stood with 40,000 people Down Villa chanting 'Barry for England'
39,999.
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I always hope for England to crash and burn at football. I'm ambivalent about the rugby team but support the cricket team.
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I don't think I actually believe you all.
I think you all being so anti-England because it makes you feel better.
I bet all of you watch every game and want England to win.
But I'm sure you'll all come on here and tell me I'm talking rubbish and the England are crap etc.
Maybe O'leary was right about Villa fans, I mean we seem to have an awful lot of fair weather fans.
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Yeah, you've got us all sussed.
Now, let's all join in together with the band then boo any other countries national anthem as we cheer on those bastions of our community.... Wayne, Rio, Cole, Lampsy and Sir John as they try not to bore the living shit out of us.
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I don't think I actually believe you all.
I think you all being so anti-England because it makes you feel better.
I bet all of you watch every game and want England to win.
But I'm sure you'll all come on here and tell me I'm talking rubbish and the England are crap etc.
Maybe O'leary was right about Villa fans, I mean we seem to have an awful lot of fair weather fans.
Gibbo, you're acting like a 10-year old kid who gets in a state because not everybody agrees with them.
And accusing some of the posters on here of being fair weather Villa fans makes you look just a bit childish .
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I don't think I actually believe you all.
I think you all being so anti-England because it makes you feel better.
I bet all of you watch every game and want England to win.
But I'm sure you'll all come on here and tell me I'm talking rubbish and the England are crap etc.
Maybe O'leary was right about Villa fans, I mean we seem to have an awful lot of fair weather fans.
i dont think your correct gibbo,
i think most fans who have said they have no interest in England playing genuinely dont,
they have swallowed the 'modern day football fan' pill the post SKY tv and prem is where its all at pill,
its more a badge of honour not to support England now, so you not goint to change it,
it makes people feel a bit better and more of a 'proper' football fan than the family who put a few flags up at WC time,
because you know they are just part timers, and dont know anything about the game, which might well be true, but people still want to distance themselves from it.
its funny, because in the 70's when there was more hostility between rival fans, there was always big support from the 'big' clubs in England,
now England will draw its support from the lower leagues, as you can see with all the flag names,
and as i have said before, i'l rather be standing with them than the Man u's and Chelsea fans of this world whether old or new,
i havent liked the way football has been going in the last 10/15 years, and Arsenal/Man u fans singing anti England songs just about sums how shit it all is now for me.
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Apathy.
I couldn't care less about the current squad and some of the players - just like they themselves apparently couldn't care less. I care more about the name 'England' and the football, so seeing us humiliated does sting, but overall, I'm quite distant from International Football.
Exactly how i feel, too many ego's and Capello just seems like a tea boy to the FA. Im not ready to forgive them after the world cup
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I don't think I actually believe you all.
I think you all being so anti-England because it makes you feel better.
I bet all of you watch every game and want England to win.
But I'm sure you'll all come on here and tell me I'm talking rubbish and the England are crap etc.
Maybe O'leary was right about Villa fans, I mean we seem to have an awful lot of fair weather fans.
There's absolutely no way you can win when trying to answer a post like this is there? You've covered all bases with "but I'm sure you'll all come on here telling me I'm talking rubbish"!
You are but then you expected it anyway.
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I don't think I actually believe you all.
I think you all being so anti-England because it makes you feel better.
I bet all of you watch every game and want England to win.
But I'm sure you'll all come on here and tell me I'm talking rubbish and the England are crap etc.
Maybe O'leary was right about Villa fans, I mean we seem to have an awful lot of fair weather fans.
At what point will you say "I know I'll get banned for saying this"?
For the final time:
I don't care whether England win, lose, draw or never play another match whether it be one of those pointless friendlies that are always buggering up the proper football programme or the World Cup final. How that makes me less of a Villa supporter I struggle to understand, in the same way that me watching non-league games attended by single figure crowds doesn't diminish your club support.
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I just can't understand that's all.
I am really passionate about England and villa and I just am really shocked at how every one feels about England.
I love watching football. So when there is no Villa to watch I love watching England, I love going the pub with all my blues mates all supporting the same team.
I'm not childish at all, alot of people on here are being really negative an over the top about our national side.
The players who play with England are no different to the players that play for villa, they are all over paid with big ego's.
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I just can't understand that's all.
I am really passionate about England and villa and I just am really shocked at how every one feels about England.
I love watching football. So when there is no Villa to watch I love watching England,
Good, that's you, not everyone is the same!
I also love football, I'll watch just about anything from a Sunday League game on the local rec to the World Cup Final, so I do watch England but I don't get emotionally involved in any way at all (except sometimes to laugh when they concede to yet another goalkeeeping howler!), unlike when I'm watching Villa or Tamworth or even Inverness Clachnacuddin.
Yes, England rank lower in my personal list of supported teams than Inverness Clachnacuddin.
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I care a lot about the England performances. Maybe becasuse I am an Ex pat with plenty of Germans around. The team represents ME.
I see no passion, pride or committment when these overhyped young millionaires put the shirt on. For forty years I have heard the mantra of a new investment ensuring our players have good technical skills from when they lace their first boots. Nothing has changed.
For the same amount of time I have seen poor management, shocking leadership from the FA and outdated tactics. And England Games, for some reason played at half the Permiership pace, are usually predictable and so BORING.
It is tough when you do actually care.
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Given the choice of Villa winning the league or England winning the world cup how many of us would actually choose England?
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Given the choice of Villa winning the league or England winning the world cup how many of us would actually choose England?
I think most would choose Villa winning the league... Villa fans attend home matches most weeks if they can, they've grown up more attached to Villa unlike England, where everyone who is English and lives in England supports England whether you're Man United fan or a Mansfield Town fan. Even people who prefer rugby or cricket to football still want England to do well and are happy if they're doing well in a major comp. I know for a fact all this nonsense about "I can't stand the English national team, they're all w*nkers (cue whatever Villa player plays for England)... but but I'm English and I'll still watch them play whenever they play a meaningful match" isn't true because 1) I've never ever come across someone like this and most likely never will 2) people on the internet say things which aren't entirely true 3) if someone came across a person acting anti-English despite being English everyone would just think you're a nob and a bit of a weirdo.
I'm not even 100% English and I find the concept of not wanting your country to do well in their national sport, quite simply mental.
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But our national sport is Cricket
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On my right leg, until my knee starts to hurt. Then I swap to my left and try to find a railing to hold on to.
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Given the choice of Villa winning the league or England winning the world cup how many of us would actually choose England?
I think most would choose Villa winning the league... Villa fans attend home matches most weeks if they can, they've grown up more attached to Villa unlike England, where everyone who is English and lives in England supports England whether you're Man United fan or a Mansfield Town fan. Even people who prefer rugby or cricket to football still want England to do well and are happy if they're doing well in a major comp. I know for a fact all this nonsense about "I can't stand the English national team, they're all w*nkers (cue whatever Villa player plays for England)... but but I'm English and I'll still watch them play whenever they play a meaningful match" isn't true because 1) I've never ever come across someone like this and most likely never will 2) people on the internet say things which aren't entirely true 3) if someone came across a person acting anti-English despite being English everyone would just think you're a nob and a bit of a weirdo.
I'm not even 100% English and I find the concept of not wanting your country to do well in their national sport, quite simply mental.
Oops that makes me mental then.
I went out to South Africa for the World Cup and even then I didnt bother watching England. I met fans from all 32 countries (even North Koreans) and the only ones I found irritating and obnoxious were the England fans. When they realised we were English they'd come over and ask inane questions like "have you heard Gerrard has been sleeping with his sister in law and is going to quit the team?"
Yes I had heard, no I dont give a flying fuck, and please will you now go away.
For me the day my love affair with the England football team ended was when 'Red' Gary Nevile said the players were considering going on strike over Rio Ferdinand's drugs ban. That was when I realised they believe they are doing us a favour by pulling on that white shirt. They dont give a fuck so why should I.
I drive a 260 mile round trip for every Villa home game. But I wouldnt get off my sofa to switch TV channels if England were on the other side.
But then I am mental.
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Given the choice of Villa winning the league or England winning the world cup how many of us would actually choose England?
I think most would choose Villa winning the league... Villa fans attend home matches most weeks if they can, they've grown up more attached to Villa unlike England, where everyone who is English and lives in England supports England whether you're Man United fan or a Mansfield Town fan. Even people who prefer rugby or cricket to football still want England to do well and are happy if they're doing well in a major comp. I know for a fact all this nonsense about "I can't stand the English national team, they're all w*nkers (cue whatever Villa player plays for England)... but but I'm English and I'll still watch them play whenever they play a meaningful match" isn't true because 1) I've never ever come across someone like this and most likely never will 2) people on the internet say things which aren't entirely true 3) if someone came across a person acting anti-English despite being English everyone would just think you're a nob and a bit of a weirdo.
I'm not even 100% English and I find the concept of not wanting your country to do well in their national sport, quite simply mental.
Spot on post. Somes up my train of thought perfectly.
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Given the choice of Villa winning the league or England winning the world cup how many of us would actually choose England?
I think most would choose Villa winning the league... Villa fans attend home matches most weeks if they can, they've grown up more attached to Villa unlike England, where everyone who is English and lives in England supports England whether you're Man United fan or a Mansfield Town fan. Even people who prefer rugby or cricket to football still want England to do well and are happy if they're doing well in a major comp. I know for a fact all this nonsense about "I can't stand the English national team, they're all w*nkers (cue whatever Villa player plays for England)... but but I'm English and I'll still watch them play whenever they play a meaningful match" isn't true because 1) I've never ever come across someone like this and most likely never will 2) people on the internet say things which aren't entirely true 3) if someone came across a person acting anti-English despite being English everyone would just think you're a nob and a bit of a weirdo.
I'm not even 100% English and I find the concept of not wanting your country to do well in their national sport, quite simply mental.
Oops that makes me mental then.
I went out to South Africa for the World Cup and even then I didnt bother watching England. I met fans from all 32 countries (even North Koreans) and the only ones I found irritating and obnoxious were the England fans. When they realised we were English they'd come over and ask inane questions like "have you heard Gerrard has been sleeping with his sister in law and is going to quit the team?"
Yes I had heard, no I dont give a flying fuck, and please will you now go away.
For me the day my love affair with the England football team ended was when 'Red' Gary Nevile said the players were considering going on strike over Rio Ferdinand's drugs ban. That was when I realised they believe they are doing us a favour by pulling on that white shirt. They dont give a fuck so why should I.
I drive a 260 mile round trip for every Villa home game. But I wouldnt get off my sofa to switch TV channels if England were on the other side.
But then I am mental.
Let's all go fucking mental.
I would rather pay to go to Hamburg and watch St Pauli than go to Wemley to watch Engurland.
Here is the Sankt Pauli FC song:
And that's the way I like it.
We have a better flag as well.
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I think most would choose Villa winning the league... Villa fans attend home matches most weeks if they can, they've grown up more attached to Villa unlike England,
You started off so well.
where everyone who is English and lives in England supports England
No they don't, I don't for a start, so that's not everyone is it?
Even people who prefer rugby or cricket to football still want England to do well and are happy if they're doing well in a major comp.
Wrong again. I know a few rugby and cricket fans, and of those who give a shit about football at all, a few were delighted when England fucked up in South Africa. Not all, some were upset of course.
I know for a fact all this nonsense about "I can't stand the English national team, they're all w*nkers (cue whatever Villa player plays for England)... but but I'm English and I'll still watch them play whenever they play a meaningful match" isn't true because 1) I've never ever come across someone like this and most likely never will
So you've never met one (or more likely they think you're a knob and avaid you but that's another thread) so therefore it's a fact? Uh-huh.
2) people on the internet say things which aren't entirely true
Sometimes they say 'yawnz' and 'lolwhut' too but I won't hold it against them.
3) if someone came across a person acting anti-English despite being English everyone would just think you're a nob and a bit of a weirdo.
It's not anti-English to not care about the England football team, it's anti-England football team! I can imagine the type of people who would think it strange, I tend to avoid them if I can.
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I don't think I actually believe you all.
Maybe O'leary was right about Villa fans, I mean we seem to have an awful lot of fair weather fans.
Yeah maybe O'Leary was right.
Or maybe we have supporters who don't even know what the F word means and just throw it -or terms relating to it- around as a general insult now.
We used to have a word filter around these parts with a dictionary definition. Perhaps we need it again to avoid the confusion.
If someone thinks Ashley Cole, Stevie G, JT and co are twats regardless of whether they're playing for their club or country that shows a level of consistency. If one was to ridicule them when they're playing for their club side but then crack out the party hat and poppers when they're playing for England that could be viewed as changeable. Or even fi....
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And I'd like to add that the treatment the Champions of '81 side got by the then England manager was a fucking disgrace. The FA and 'Team England' can fuck right off, leave my club alone, leave football fans alone and carry on throwing concerts at that giant shithole in north London you spunked nearly a billion quid on to help pay the money back.
Hard to disagree with any of that.
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I'll always watch england games but I'm genuinely not bothered when we fail, whereas with Villa (or with the national cricket and rugby teams) I'm in a bad mood for days afterwards. The only thing I can put this down to is the fact that I'm fed up of being told that rooney, gerrard, lampard are world class when they're clearly nowhere near that standard.
The problem comes from the fact that passion and work ethic is good enough to make you a good player in the prem but as soon as first touch and vision become important we fail because this just isn't taught to young english players. I think if english football (fa, media, fans in general) was willing to take a look and say 'we know we're behind the other top sides and this is what we're doing about it' and develop a team for the future I'd be more interested. As a nation we've shown the ability to do this with swimming, cycling and to an extent rugby (it hasn't translated to the main side yet but the potential is there and the clubs are producing more top young players than ever before) but with football there is a national delusion that winning a group against people like croatia shows that everything is going well and we've finally got a chance of winning something. Whilst this exists (and is perpetuated by the media) we're never going to see the fundamental changes that are required.
Once english football is honest with itself a lot of the apathy from the fans will disappear, but so long as it's in the best interests of the FA and the prem for rooney, gerrard, etc to be tagged as world beaters nothing will change. Wilshere will be the next one, the press have made him their next big thing and will just push and push for him to get into the squad/team regardless of whether he's the most deserving player or not. The FA then go along with it because they can make a fortune off his back in advertising.
This has happened for years, ask any villa fan from the 80s how robson and hoddle were automatic picks ahead of cowans if you need an example, it's just getting worse now because english football gets so much exposure.
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How difficult is it to acccept that some English-born people who like football and would describe themselves as patriotic don't care for the England football team?
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I think most would choose Villa winning the league... Villa fans attend home matches most weeks if they can, they've grown up more attached to Villa unlike England,
You started off so well.
where everyone who is English and lives in England supports England
No they don't, I don't for a start, so that's not everyone is it?
Even people who prefer rugby or cricket to football still want England to do well and are happy if they're doing well in a major comp.
Wrong again. I know a few rugby and cricket fans, and of those who give a shit about football at all, a few were delighted when England fucked up in South Africa. Not all, some were upset of course.
I know for a fact all this nonsense about "I can't stand the English national team, they're all w*nkers (cue whatever Villa player plays for England)... but but I'm English and I'll still watch them play whenever they play a meaningful match" isn't true because 1) I've never ever come across someone like this and most likely never will
So you've never met one (or more likely they think you're a knob and avaid you but that's another thread) so therefore it's a fact? Uh-huh.
2) people on the internet say things which aren't entirely true
Sometimes they say 'yawnz' and 'lolwhut' too but I won't hold it against them.
3) if someone came across a person acting anti-English despite being English everyone would just think you're a nob and a bit of a weirdo.
It's not anti-English to not care about the England football team, it's anti-England football team! I can imagine the type of people who would think it strange, I tend to avoid them if I can.
You're living on another planet buddy.
1. Yes, if you're English, you support England, why would you not support England when you're English. I litterally cannot get my head around that. Imagine England winning the World Cup, someone see's your miserable face and asks "why do you look suicidal?" and then you reply with an English accent "I don't like or support England"... I can assure you, I know quite a diverse crowd from all different backgrounds and they would all think you're a fcuking idiot and would actually pity you that you have that sort of mentality. You don't even have to like football to support England as long as you're English it doesn't matter! I was surrounded by girls in their early 20's who don't really know much about football, but like David Beckham and his looks, but still, they cheered when England played USA going wild when Gerrard scored.
2. It's internet speak, all the cool kids use it. I'm not back in school in English class.
3. Anyone being anti-English (despite being English lolwut?) when it comes to sport is an idiot and hypocrite as far I'm concerned. In all honesty, I don't believe a word your saying about being anti-England national team, I think you're just being a wind up merchant wanting attention.
@Paul_e good post, I agree with what you're saying.
@DaveWoodhall being patriotic but not caring for the England football team... lol, nice oxymoron.
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I think there's only one wind-up merchant on here. Or someone who's incredibly stupid.
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I really don't like the word lolwut.
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It's internet speak, all the cool kids use it. I'm not back in school in English class.
Never ceases to amaze me that people who need ostentatious displays of patriotism such as yourself don't extend this love of country to learning the English language. LOL YMCA SWALK.
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You're living on another planet buddy.
1. Yes, if you're English, you support England, why would you not support England when you're English. I litterally cannot get my head around that. Imagine England winning the World Cup, someone see's your miserable face and asks "why do you look suicidal?" and then you reply with an English accent "I don't like or support England"... I can assure you, I know quite a diverse crowd from all different backgrounds and they would all think you're a fcuking idiot and would actually pity you that you have that sort of mentality. You don't even have to like football to support England as long as you're English it doesn't matter! I was surrounded by girls in their early 20's who don't really know much about football, but like David Beckham and his looks, but still, they cheered when England played USA going wild when Gerrard scored.
2. It's internet speak, all the cool kids use it. I'm not back in school in English class.
3. Anyone being anti-English (despite being English lolwut?) when it comes to sport is an idiot and hypocrite as far I'm concerned. In all honesty, I don't believe a word your saying about being anti-England national team, I think you're just being a wind up merchant wanting attention.
@Paul_e good post, I agree with what you're saying.
@DaveWoodhall being patriotic but not caring for the England football team... lol, nice oxymoron.
@The Situation WTF, am I on Twitter (yes I know teh internetz spk, but as I've got a keyboard I don't feel the need to use it).
1. If England won the World Cup I wouldn't be miserable, I just wouldn't really care that much. Some fucking idiot might ask me why I wasn't pissed as a fart on Wife Beater and smashing up a pub while draped in a flag of St. George but as I'll be at home and nowhere near a pub when it happens I doubt it.
2. twt
3. I'm not anti-English when it comes to sport, I love England winning The Ashes, I cheer on our athletes, rowers and cyclists, I even raised a little cheer when our hockey team won the Olympics that time, I just don't give a flying fuck about the England football team.
I am a wind-up merchant though.
And you don't understand the meaning of oxymoron.
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The Situation, how long have you been going to England games for?
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I really don't like the word lolwut.
I haven't got a clue what the last three letters mean, rofl!
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I don't quite get how you can like my post and still not understand why people say they don't care, that's the situation in a nutshell and I know a lot of people who feel exactly the, we'll watch england games but it's not a big thing to us and if we have something else come up it's not the end of the world, whereas other teams (villa being the obvious on this forum) or sports (cricket, athletics, rugby) it's a bigger issue.
I don't know how old you are but I'd have a guess you're early 20s at most, a lot of the people you're talking to here are a lot older and have had to put up with the same shit regarding the england national team for longer than you've been alive, eventually it drains on you and you just don't have the interest any more. It's not performances so much as the whole package, being told we're going to win easily, failing miserably and then seeing the same team playing the next game as if there's nothing gone wrong, and the underlying issues being swept under the carpet after every half decent performance.
It's not so much anti-england as just pure apathy.
**Sorry for calling you all old.. :D**
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Oops, sorry, meant to edit the other post not reply to myself...
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I'm thinking of resigning from being English after reading Gibbo and The Situation. I clearly don't deserve such a mantle.
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Dave Cooper; you're English and you wouldn't care one bit if England won the World Cup? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Would you watch England play in the World Cup final? What about if a Villa player scored in the last minute to win the World Cup? Of course you'd be happy if England won the World Cup, of course you would watch England if they were playing in the World Cup final and of course you'd be happy to see a Villa player score the winning goal. Like I said, I know toffs who are more into their cricket and rugby but would still be happy if England won the World Cup and would watch England play in the World Cup final sitting on the edges of their seat... because, despite being more into cricket and rugby... THEY'RE ENGLISH.
Chico; I have not been to an England match.
paul_e; wait a minute... you'll still all watch the England games? I thought the England team were all w*nkers etc...? This is what I don't quite understand.
Lee; I'm only 1/4 English but you don't see me acting anti-English towards the England football team, so how can 100% English people on here be anti-English towards the England football team?
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No one dislikes them because they're English.
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If -for the sake of argument- we had four Dutch players in the Villa side and they played Ing ur lund it would be the Villa players who would get my backing.
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Chico; I have not been to an England match
If we'd had a Man United fan on here, telling us how much he loved Man United, how he would cheer them on if they win a trophy, how he can't understand why everybody dosent share his love for Man United but he'd never actually seen them play except for in the pub, on the big screen, he'd be able to hear people on here laughing at him from miles away.
After all that patriotic nonsense you've been spouting, you've never seen an England game???
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Question to The Situation
How did you feel when England lost to New Zealand in the hockey earlier today?
Personally I felt a tinge of sadness. But I am not crying into my laptop because Hockey isnt my thing. Does that make me unpatriotic? I presume you are nearly suicidal, am I right? Have you lowered your England flag to half mast outside your house? I'm sure you and your mates will be asking people in the pub later why they are having fun and smiling after England's terrible defeat. It is England who lost after all. Everyone who was born in England and is English supports England. Why would they not?
So like I say, I'm not overly bothered about it. But I feel ten times worse about that than I did about the England game the other night. I dont know the names of a single hockey player (although I remember Imran Shiwani and Sean Curly from the victorious GB team in Seoul 88). I didnt watch the game, I just read about it on the BBC website. But I was able to put myself in the players shoes - just for a few seconds - and imagine how they felt after all the training, all the hope, all the expectation. They are not professionals, they are just ordinary working people like me who happen to excel in a particular sport. I can identify with them. I absolutely cannot identify with Wazza, Steevie G and the other arseholes who disrespect my country every time they pull on an England shirt and play like they dont give a fuck.
So I'll make my own decisions about who and what I care about and leave you to cry over our loss in the 2 badminton finals earlier today.
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I'm 1/4 English, why should I have to go to an England game? I'm not a patriotic English fan, I just like to see England do well, that's all. I just think it's all a bit sad and pathetic listening to people on the internet despite being 100% English being anti-English towards the England football team saying silly things like ''I wouldn't really care if England won the World Cup".
Lee; football is the national sport... no-one cares about field hockey.
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Chico; I have not been to an England match
If we'd had a Man United fan on here, telling us how much he loved Man United, how he would cheer them on if they win a trophy, how he can't understand why everybody dosent share his love for Man United but he'd never actually seen them play except for in the pub, on the big screen, he'd be able to hear people on here laughing at him from miles away.
After all that patriotic nonsense you've been spouting, you've never seen an England game???
As the mighty Nick Heyward once sang
Take that, Situation.
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It must be wonderful to live in a world where everything is either black or white...
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Lee; football is the national sport... no-one cares about field hockey.
undone your own argument there fella...
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I'm 1/4 English, why should I have to go to an England game? I'm not a patriotic English fan, I just like to see England do well, that's all. I just think it's all a bit sad and pathetic listening to people on the internet despite being 100% English being anti-English towards the England football team saying silly things like ''I wouldn't really care if England won the World Cup".
Lee; football is the national sport... no-one cares about field hockey.
Now we are getting somewhere. Do you accept that not everyone cares about the same things you do? Do you honestly believe that literally no-one cares about field hockey. Or badminton. Or tennis. Or archery. Or athletics. Or volleyball. Or any other things that are not 'football'. We are independent people. We can choose our own interests and decide for ourselves what we care about. You proclaiming that 'no-one cares' is not going to change that.
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Question to The Situation
How did you feel when England lost to New Zealand in the hockey earlier today?
Personally I felt a tinge of sadness. But I am not crying into my laptop because Hockey isnt my thing. Does that make me unpatriotic? I presume you are nearly suicidal, am I right? Have you lowered your England flag to half mast outside your house? I'm sure you and your mates will be asking people in the pub later why they are having fun and smiling after England's terrible defeat. It is England who lost after all. Everyone who was born in England and is English supports England. Why would they not?
So like I say, I'm not overly bothered about it. But I feel ten times worse about that than I did about the England game the other night. I dont know the names of a single hockey player (although I remember Imran Shiwani and Sean Curly from the victorious GB team in Seoul 88). I didnt watch the game, I just read about it on the BBC website. But I was able to put myself in the players shoes - just for a few seconds - and imagine how they felt after all the training, all the hope, all the expectation. They are not professionals, they are just ordinary working people like me who happen to excel in a particular sport. I can identify with them. I absolutely cannot identify with Wazza, Steevie G and the other arseholes who disrespect my country every time they pull on an England shirt and play like they dont give a fuck.
So I'll make my own decisions about who and what I care about and leave you to cry over our loss in the 2 badminton finals earlier today.
England may have lost in the Hockey, i'm not that bothered either, but here's the difference, i dont really care to much for Hockey, so i'm not on a Hockey thread telling everybody how much i dont like Hockey.
i have next to no time at all for Formula 1, i've never seen the need to post on any of there threads telling them how little i care for the sport, why because i really really dont care.
i accept that this thread is a little different,
as it asked the question 'where do you stand on England' which is fair enough,
but you only have to look at some threads started in 'international football' about a up and coming England match, and without fail there they are every time, posters telling anyone that will listen just how much they dont care about the national side, Why ?
a bit like all the posters who hate talksport and never listen, but somehow know all the presenters and what they were saying
if you truly not interested in England why the need to tell everyone all the time,
i honestly have no problem with DW's position on England, and anyone else who holds the same, everyone can support the team/teams as they see fit.
no one can tell another how to support or who to support
but i have had to many conversations in my pub on England night with Man u/Chelsea etc supporters who seem to think i'm iinterested in how much they detest England, well i dont give a flying toss what the glory hunting twats think.
they can sod of and watch there 1999 treble winning DVD instead, because there wont be any glory watching England thats for sure.
the question about England winning the world cup or Villa winning the league, is a false one, we all know what the answer for most of us would be,
another question would be would you rather England win the world cup or Argentina/Germany, sadly i know what the answer would be for a lot of people
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another question would be would you rather England win the world cup or Argentina/Germany, sadly i know what the answer would be for a lot of people
I draw the line there.
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another question would be would you rather England win the world cup or Argentina/Germany, sadly i know what the answer would be for a lot of people
As I've said, if it led to england taking stock and putting a strategy in place to ensure next time we won and were technically better I'd accept it and certainly wouldn't be upset. A similar thing happened in the rugby a few years ago (To clear things up, rugby I'll happily watch any game that's on, football I'm just not interested in anyone aside from Villa and England, there's too many things I dislike about the people involved in the sport to pay any more attention to it) where england got to the WC final despite being a very poor side. SA won the final and I should've been gutted but we lost to the better side and we were able to hide from the fact that we were shown up at times during the tournament. The fall back from it is that a lot of technically superior players are coming through as the clubs and the national sides work together to improve the quality of our players and tactics.
That the england football team and a lot of the clubs are completely disinterested in improving the quality of youngsters coming through to create a sustainable level of excellence despite a large number of high profile failures shows that the people who can influence things don't care. I personally can't get behind a team fully when I know that most of them would rather be on a beach with their WAG looking for someone to cheat on her with, and that their management know that but pick them anyway. None of the other sports I follow have such a high number of supposed top players who clearly put personal gain ahead of club and country.
Can't be bothered to find the post to quote but the situation asked why I can watch if I don't like the players, that's the patriotism coming through, I'll always be interested in england and of course I'm happy if they win but I'm not bothered enough to care if they don't. I actually hate the fact that stevie me, JT, cashley cole, etc all play for england as everytime I see their names on the team sheet I'm disappointed as not only have they failed on the same stage before, but they've got personal lives that would see them in prison if they weren't above the law. Whatever you may want to say about Villa there's very few Villa players in the last 15-20years (since the media spotlight became so focused) who've done anything to stir the gutter press into action, one of my favourite things about Villa is that there are very few players you can dislike as a neutral (it also means we haven't got the nasty bugger in centre mid we need however).
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Reading this it's as though you are all trying to persuade yourselves that it's ok to be so negative.
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That's because it is. We don't live in North Korea last time I checked.
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Lee; I'm only 1/4 English but you don't see me acting anti-English towards the England football team, so how can 100% English people on here be anti-English towards the England football team?
For fucks sake. it's not anti-English to not like the England football team!
It's anti- the England football team, that's it, nothing else.
You don't have to like the England football team to be a proud Englishman.
Either you can see this or you are as thick as a whale omelette.
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So being negative, not caring and abusing the players who play for England is not being anti-English? Why do you feel the need to act this way when you're ENGLISH! Fair enough if your background was from other nationalities, you may have a point, but you admitted that you're very very English. I just find this completely incredible and bizarre how someone who is 100% English can have this attitude towards his country's football team.
Again, I'll ask, how on God's Great Earth can someone who is English be anti-English towards the English football team? What you're saying sounds completely whacko. You're not from another country, you're English, get over it i'm afraid.
Imagine all the strange looks and mouthful of abuse you'd get off fellow English people if you said "I'm anti-England football team"... infact, I don't think you'd get abuse, I think a lot of people would feel sorry for you and worry what your mental state is at.
Thank the Lord I only have to have this 'discussion' with you on the internet. In real life I cannot imagine how hard you'd get the piss taken out of you by fellow English people.
You can keep on debating me as much as you want, but at the end of the day the fact still stands being anti-English towards England's football team makes no sense and is just quite frankly ridiculous and deep down I think you know this too.
I look foward to your reply and hopefully you can address the questions I've asked in this post.
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He's boring me now.
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You clearly don't get it so I don't see any point in any further replies about it. A lot of people don't like the players chosen or the people running things for the national side and therefore don't feel the need to be 100% behind them.
This is called free will and there's nothing you can do about it.
I think you'd also be very suprised by how many people there are who feel exactly the same. Also stop confusing apathy with being anti-england. It's not anti anything, it's just that we don't care as much as you about the english national football team, oh and stop calling it the national game, there's enough sports played by a large number of people in this country for that to be a very narrow minded thing to say.
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I will watch England but for me, everything stops for Villa and nothing stops for England. That's the difference.
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Given the choice of Villa winning the league or England winning the world cup how many of us would actually choose England?
Given the choice of Villa winning a corner, or England winning the World Cup, i'd go for the Villa.
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Frankly we've enough stagnant, woeful football at the Villa. Do I really want to spend the weekends off from prem footy, watching the national team playing a hideous brand of football too? No.
Hopefully times are changing with the Villa. If they change for England too (new manager required for this and 10 years of new youth structure already implemented needed too) then perhaps I'll regain some enthusiasm. Right now though, I have absolutely none for England, it's not in the blood like the Villa is, so I really don't have to put up with the shit times. The times when most of the squad are a bunch of arrogant, irksome, hideous, assholes like the case is now with England. To endure much more of that oiky cretin Wayne Rooney lumbering through matches, looking forlorn and not putting any effort in, until he inevitably has one of his fits of petulant frustration (See his booking) and being carried by 10 supposedly inferior teammates not in his "world class" calibre, would be too much.
If we put out a squad of 22 plodders for England, I'd actually give them the time of day. Mid road Prem players, high end Championship. They'd play with more pride and have no expectation in tow.
Above all I'd get rid of the 100k club. Too long that lot have not delivered for the nation. No where near.
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So being negative, not caring and abusing the players who play for England is not being anti-English? Why do you feel the need to act this way when you're ENGLISH! Fair enough if your background was from other nationalities, you may have a point, but you admitted that you're very very English. I just find this completely incredible and bizarre how someone who is 100% English can have this attitude towards his country's football team.
Again, I'll ask, how on God's Great Earth can someone who is English be anti-English towards the English football team? What you're saying sounds completely whacko. You're not from another country, you're English, get over it i'm afraid.
Imagine all the strange looks and mouthful of abuse you'd get off fellow English people if you said "I'm anti-England football team"... infact, I don't think you'd get abuse, I think a lot of people would feel sorry for you and worry what your mental state is at.
Thank the Lord I only have to have this 'discussion' with you on the internet. In real life I cannot imagine how hard you'd get the piss taken out of you by fellow English people.
You can keep on debating me as much as you want, but at the end of the day the fact still stands being anti-English towards England's football team makes no sense and is just quite frankly ridiculous and deep down I think you know this too.
I look foward to your reply and hopefully you can address the questions I've asked in this post.
Does this stop at football? Were you cheering on the mighty BP against the US government in the spring? Where do you stand on Eurovision? Personally, I'm quite a fan but I don't really care how well we do. Which I think is fine because it correlates nicely with where I stand on international football.
Surely when Chelsea win the league they are representing England? Am I right in thinking that you are right behind them cheering on EBJT et al when they play in Europe? It would be very unpatriotic if you didn't.
Final question - considering 46% of the 135 people who have voted on the poll on this thread either have no interest or actively dislike the England football team, do you not think that your rather narrow-minded world-view might not be as universal as you first thought?
I look foward to your reply and hopefully you can address the questions I've asked in this post.
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I'm extremely passionate about the England Cricket team, England Rugby team and English/British athletes in the Olympics/World championships. I'm a huge fan of English/British film, music and literature. I'm very proud of a lot of things this country stands for. Such as tolerance, equality and the decency of the majority of our citizens.
I do not however, live and die on the fortunes of our overrated, overhyped, overpaid, arrogant and morally inept national team footballers.
I guess i'm just incredibly unpatriotic. If only hanging was still the punishment for treason.
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So being negative, not caring and abusing the players who play for England is not being anti-English? Why do you feel the need to act this way when you're ENGLISH! Fair enough if your background was from other nationalities, you may have a point, but you admitted that you're very very English. I just find this completely incredible and bizarre how someone who is 100% English can have this attitude towards his country's football team.
Again, I'll ask, how on God's Great Earth can someone who is English be anti-English towards the English football team? What you're saying sounds completely whacko. You're not from another country, you're English, get over it i'm afraid.
Imagine all the strange looks and mouthful of abuse you'd get off fellow English people if you said "I'm anti-England football team"... infact, I don't think you'd get abuse, I think a lot of people would feel sorry for you and worry what your mental state is at.
Thank the Lord I only have to have this 'discussion' with you on the internet. In real life I cannot imagine how hard you'd get the piss taken out of you by fellow English people.
You can keep on debating me as much as you want, but at the end of the day the fact still stands being anti-English towards England's football team makes no sense and is just quite frankly ridiculous and deep down I think you know this too.
I look foward to your reply and hopefully you can address the questions I've asked in this post.
I agree and in the same vain, i'd like to express my support for the ENGLISH doctor Harold Shipman and the BRITISH national party leader Nick Griffin.
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I've never had the piss taken out of me for not giving a shite about the English football team. Not never, not ever. And I doubt if another of our current topics of debate, Evil Cow Thatcher, ever did either.
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I used to be passionate about England, i still want to be but i cant anymore, The FA and the national team tell you everything that is bad about the game in this country over hyped over paid no style no substance no class,
They are a joke
Pretty much what he said!!
I used to be so supportive of the national team and went to many home games in the lates 80's and early 90's. I'm patriotic but can honestly take or leave England now and it's been like that since 2004. I managed about 5 minutes of the game the other night before falling asleep and not knowing the score till the next morning!
I certainly wouldn't spend hard-earned cash on them anymore.
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Unbeleivable, your comparing being a proud English-man to a racist biggot and a cereal killer. And you lot had the cheek to call me childish.
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Terrible things, these cereal killers. No breakfast is safe.
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Unbeleivable, your comparing being a proud English-man to a racist biggot and a cereal killer. And you lot had the cheek to call me childish.
Did someone beat the shit out of a packet of cornflakes?
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Unbeleivable, your comparing being a proud English-man to a racist biggot and a cereal killer. And you lot had the cheek to call me childish.
If you don't want to be cereal killer, don't boil the milk would be my advice.
Cold milk would be your main man and your corn flakes or whatever would not get soggy; everyone's a winner.
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I'm 1/4 English, why should I have to go to an England game? I'm not a patriotic English fan, I just like to see England do well, that's all. I just think it's all a bit sad and pathetic listening to people on the internet despite being 100% English being anti-English towards the England football team saying silly things like ''I wouldn't really care if England won the World Cup".
Lee; football is the national sport... no-one cares about field hockey.
I think you're confusing apathy (i.e. not giving a fuck) with anti-englishness (i.e actively wanting them to lose).
I don't actively want the england team to lose, I said before if they won the WC I'd be pleased, I just don't expect them to and won't get upset if (when) they don't. Added to that, my interest in it has waned to the point where I can't be bothered to watch their matches on TV for the most part.
How that makes me 'anti-english' I don't know.
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Unbeleivable, your comparing being a proud English-man to a racist biggot and a cereal killer. And you lot had the cheek to call me childish.
Dunno what Alan Partridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C4xnIdiXHo) has got to do with any of this.
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I'm 1/4 English, why should I have to go to an England game? I'm not a patriotic English fan...
Which quarter is that just out of interest? Amputation might save you a lot of confusion.
If it's upper torso/ head region you might get away with just a full frontal lobotomy.
You come on here panning people for not backing the English national side and being patriotic whilst you...don't go to England games and don't feel patriotic about England.
There probably is a point in there somewhere, chomping at the bit to get out.
Fcuked if I know what it is though.
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Big bunch of tossers for me.
Dont give a shit for the current English internationals.
(And yea, despite my location, i'm very much English)
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So being negative, not caring and abusing the players who play for England is not being anti-English? Why do you feel the need to act this way when you're ENGLISH! Fair enough if your background was from other nationalities, you may have a point, but you admitted that you're very very English. I just find this completely incredible and bizarre how someone who is 100% English can have this attitude towards his country's football team.
Again, I'll ask, how on God's Great Earth can someone who is English be anti-English towards the English football team? What you're saying sounds completely whacko. You're not from another country, you're English, get over it i'm afraid.
Imagine all the strange looks and mouthful of abuse you'd get off fellow English people if you said "I'm anti-England football team"... infact, I don't think you'd get abuse, I think a lot of people would feel sorry for you and worry what your mental state is at.
Thank the Lord I only have to have this 'discussion' with you on the internet. In real life I cannot imagine how hard you'd get the piss taken out of you by fellow English people.
You can keep on debating me as much as you want, but at the end of the day the fact still stands being anti-English towards England's football team makes no sense and is just quite frankly ridiculous and deep down I think you know this too.
I look foward to your reply and hopefully you can address the questions I've asked in this post.
*Shakes head sadly and walks away*
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There's a millwall mentality growing around the national side; no one likes us we don't care!
For what it's worth I don't know a single England fan who has any time whatsoever for the likes of Cole, Terry and Ferdinand but to think that you'd stop supporting your country just because you don't like some of the personality (or lack of) traits of some of its 'better' players is like saying you wont go down The Villa whilst Ellis is still in charge.
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Unbeleivable, your comparing being a proud English-man to a racist biggot and a cereal killer. And you lot had the cheek to call me childish.
Dunno what Alan Partridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C4xnIdiXHo) has got to do with any of this.
hahaha.Very good.
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I find it hard enough watching the Villa sometimes, I'm hardly enthused enough to watch a group of useless twats I spend the rest of the season abusing one way or another.