Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Gaztonniller on October 12, 2010, 09:53:54 PM
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Seems like Youngs inclusion in the starting line up against Montenegro is (could be argued) evidence that when it comes to England, you dont have to play for a london, merseyside, or the red side of Manchester to eventually get a call-up to the seniors. Barry, Milner, Heskey, Young, and with Agbon on the fringes of things, seems like VP is becoming the new de rigueur for England. And MON should be credited by fans for his astute signing of international quality players.
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Barry, Milner, Heskey, Young, and with Agbon on the fringes of things, seems like VP is becoming the new de rigueur for England.
Heskey has retired from International football, two of the other five don't play for us and the other hasn't played for England in nearly a year.
Man City the new backbone for England? Quite probably.
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the backbone of England is like a fishbone.... fookin useless
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I would say Man City
Hence why, despite Adam Johnson hardly touching the ball all second half he took off Young rather than the ineffective Johnson for SWP another (basic) Man City player
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I would say Man City
Hence why, despite Adam Johnson hardly touching the ball all second half he took off Young rather than the ineffective Johnson for SWP another (basic) Man City player
I think this has more too do with the fact that Johnson plays for England tge same way he does for City.
Ash just doesn't seem to play with the same
Temprament for England as he does with Villa.
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No as we only had one player on the pitch and he was only playing due to injuries/suspensions to Lennon, Lampard, Walcott and Milner
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I think when Gerard get going we will have a english team of Villa + Man City + Rooney in long term.
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Barry, Milner, Heskey, Young, and with Agbon on the fringes of things, seems like VP is becoming the new de rigueur for England.
Heskey has retired from International football, two of the other five don't play for us and the other hasn't played for England in nearly a year.
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Ahh, your just knit-picking.
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I think when Gerard get going we will have a english team of Villa + Man City + Rooney in long term.
And Wilshere. And probably a whole load of people we haven't heard of.
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Does anyone know when Rooney will be back from injury
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I would say Man City
Hence why, despite Adam Johnson hardly touching the ball all second half he took off Young rather than the ineffective Johnson for SWP another (basic) Man City player
I find the sight of SWP trundling on from the bench depressing. Its a reminder how poor we are that such a limited player can get so many caps.
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I think when Gerard get going we will have a english team of Villa + Man City + Rooney in long term.
I think when Gezza 'gets going' we'll see less English players playing for us, so not sure you're right.
It is true that some players have left us and Heskey is now retired, but the amount of players that we've recently had in the England reckoning does show we've been doing something right.
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Barry, Milner, Heskey, Young, and with Agbon on the fringes of things, seems like VP is becoming the new de rigueur for England.
Heskey has retired from International football, two of the other five don't play for us and the other hasn't played for England in nearly a year.
Man City the new backbone for England? Quite probably.
I think the point he's trying to get at is that all of the above players have started their England careers while playing for Villa. With the exception of Heskey ... but can you call that a career?
What was the marketing campaign with last season's away kit? Hasn't Villa had the most amount of England representing players? Around 66 isn't it?
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I think the point he's trying to get at is that all of the above players have started their England careers while playing for Villa. With the exception of Heskey ... but can you call that a career?
The only player at present imo that you could say has strong enough Villa links would be Barry as he won the majority of his caps whilst playing for us. To use your criteria, West Ham would be the team as Ferdinand, Lampard, Defoe and Johnson came through there ranks yet they all won most of there caps playing for other clubs.
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Those are very claret and blue specs you are wearing Gazton. Gabby has hardly featured for England despite the lack of quality strikers, Ash seems to be about 5th or 6th choice for the wide berths, one has retired, and two don't play for us. As for O'Neill well he didn't sign Barry or Gabby and Heskey was already well established in the England set up under Capello. As others have mentioned, Citeh and West Ham have better claims to being an influence on the current England squad. Also arguably, by your criteria, Spurs (Defoe, Crouch, Lennon, Bent, Huddlestone) and perhaps even Everton (Lescott, Jagielka, Rooney, Baines) although we could take some credit for Crouch I suppose if we want to be all Doug Ellis about it.
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Those are very claret and blue specs you are wearing Gazton. Gabby has hardly featured for England despite the lack of quality strikers, Ash seems to be about 5th or 6th choice for the wide berths, one has retired, and two don't play for us. As for O'Neill well he didn't sign Barry or Gabby and Heskey was already well established in the England set up under Capello. As others have mentioned, Citeh and West Ham have better claims to being an influence on the current England squad. Also arguably, by your criteria, Spurs (Defoe, Crouch, Lennon, Bent, Huddlestone) and perhaps even Everton (Lescott, Jagielka, Rooney, Baines) although we could take some credit for Crouch I suppose if we want to be all Doug Ellis about it.
So what criteris are we using? If it's where their youth football was played then West Ham stand out and Spurs hardly have anyone, same as us. If it's a case of where they won their first cap, then we can view ourselves more favourably.
But with the current state of the England side, is it not more a claim to shame than fame?
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I never like to see any of our players in an England shirt. Once they get established, they all start to think the grass is greener elsewhere. This may make me sound like a bit of a traitor, but i couldn't give a toss about England.
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If I was a young english player I would see a move to villa as a particularly good move from an international perspective. You're likely to play a large number of games and the club is sufficiently on the England Management's radar to guarantee you'll be watched.
I do agree though that the number of new english signings is likely to wain with GH in charge. Hopefully he'll keep things pretty balanced...
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Those are very claret and blue specs you are wearing Gazton. Gabby has hardly featured for England despite the lack of quality strikers, Ash seems to be about 5th or 6th choice for the wide berths, one has retired, and two don't play for us. As for O'Neill well he didn't sign Barry or Gabby and Heskey was already well established in the England set up under Capello. As others have mentioned, Citeh and West Ham have better claims to being an influence on the current England squad. Also arguably, by your criteria, Spurs (Defoe, Crouch, Lennon, Bent, Huddlestone) and perhaps even Everton (Lescott, Jagielka, Rooney, Baines) although we could take some credit for Crouch I suppose if we want to be all Doug Ellis about it.
So what criteris are we using? If it's where their youth football was played then West Ham stand out and Spurs hardly have anyone, same as us. If it's a case of where they won their first cap, then we can view ourselves more favourably.
But with the current state of the England side, is it not more a claim to shame than fame?
What the devil is a criteris?
An Oriental female body part?
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Those are very claret and blue specs you are wearing Gazton. Gabby has hardly featured for England despite the lack of quality strikers, Ash seems to be about 5th or 6th choice for the wide berths, one has retired, and two don't play for us. As for O'Neill well he didn't sign Barry or Gabby and Heskey was already well established in the England set up under Capello. As others have mentioned, Citeh and West Ham have better claims to being an influence on the current England squad. Also arguably, by your criteria, Spurs (Defoe, Crouch, Lennon, Bent, Huddlestone) and perhaps even Everton (Lescott, Jagielka, Rooney, Baines) although we could take some credit for Crouch I suppose if we want to be all Doug Ellis about it.
You probably could add Downing to that list too? Point is how long were fans saying Barry never got an england cap because he played for Villa where as if he played for the a top london club or MU/Merseyside he would have been called up much much earlier. With the recent track of villa players now being called up for the seniors, If another Barry was to now come along, does anyone still think it would take him as long to get a call up because villa, and other teams (outside of london, manchester, Merseyside) are considered footballing Pariahs to england and the international set-up?
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Those are very claret and blue specs you are wearing Gazton. Gabby has hardly featured for England despite the lack of quality strikers, Ash seems to be about 5th or 6th choice for the wide berths, one has retired, and two don't play for us. As for O'Neill well he didn't sign Barry or Gabby and Heskey was already well established in the England set up under Capello. As others have mentioned, Citeh and West Ham have better claims to being an influence on the current England squad. Also arguably, by your criteria, Spurs (Defoe, Crouch, Lennon, Bent, Huddlestone) and perhaps even Everton (Lescott, Jagielka, Rooney, Baines) although we could take some credit for Crouch I suppose if we want to be all Doug Ellis about it.
You probably could add Downing to that list too? Point is how long were fans saying Barry never got an england cap because he played for Villa where as if he played for the a top london club or MU/Merseyside he would have been called up much much earlier. With the recent track of villa players now being called up for the seniors, If another Barry was to now come along, does anyone still think it would take him as long to get a call up because villa, and other teams (outside of london, manchester, Merseyside) are considered footballing Pariahs to england and the international set-up?
All that may be true, but I don't see how that suggests we're becoming the backbone of the England team.
We're actually considerably less that than we were a couple of years ago if you look at number of players called up.
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We might be forming the backbone of the Under 21's mightn't we? Delph, The Fonz, Albrighton, Gary Gardner...
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so are villa now becoming the back bone for man city? :'(
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What the devil is a criteris?
An Oriental female body part?
Applause emoticon thing.
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We might be forming the backbone of the Under 21's mightn't we? Delph, The Fonz, Albrighton, Gary Gardner...
Again, others probably have more of a claim.
Sturridge, Mancienne, Bertrand, Cork, MacEachrane all from Chelsea.
Even Blackburn have as many players in the most recent squad as we do.