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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Villafirst on October 10, 2010, 08:50:42 AM
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Perhaps I haven't read enough threads on this board, but things seem quiet on his return. I thought when the injury was diagnosed/treated last April that the prognosis was a six month lay-off? Well, six months on, what's happened? I can't wait for his return when he can begin the task of ousting Petrov!
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It was a 9 months lay off, so he won't be back till the new year.
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2011.
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Hope his recovery is going well. Would be great if he was fit enough to challenge for a place coming towards the end of the season. Would be like a new signing at a critical time of the season.
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It was a 9 months lay off, so he won't be back till the new year.
Are you sure? I seem to recall October or November as the return date. The club haven't updated us much recently (no surprise there). Any quotes from Fabian himself?
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It was definitely 9 months. I had the same operation about the same time but I'd imagine that his rehabilitation has probably over taken me now as work is taking its toll on my recovery as well as time to do the necessary exercises, which won't be a problem for him.
I had a hamstring graft not sure what Delph had but as well as growing and strengthening this, you also lose all strength in your Quadracep, but its going to be the actual graft which keeps him out the full length as it is one of those things you can't rush. Having said that going by my recover Delph should doing a lot if gym work and some running etc so his fitness should be coming back to him. He's not going to be doing anything that requires a quick change of direction just yet.
Obviously I'm just guessing but he should be well on his way but it won't be till the new year.
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Think the last thing that came out was that he was back in light training around the start of september. If that's going well he should be getting close to full training now and maybe ready for a run out with the reserves by early november.
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I'm looking forward to him being back, I think he'll be a cracking player.
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I can't wait untill he comes back big player for us in the coming years.
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Can't wait. He is an option we need in midfield.
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Anyone know how he got on with Gary Mac at Leeds? Him joining the Villa may have boosted his spirits.
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I don't see him as coming in and providing any kind of competition for Petrov (initially anyroad), not until he's got up to speed as to the demands of the Premiership and is tactically switched on.
You can afford to make the odd mistake in the third division and not get punished. Give the ball away in the centre of the park in the Prem and it can be game changing.
I'd see him coming back and providing competition for Downing initially.
This can only be a good thing as playing with two out and out wingers often leaves us unbalanced. Playing Delph wide left gives us the chance to utilise what he does best, namely taking players on and creating chances. He has a bit of bite to his game as well and that's something we could do with seeing more of in general. As a team we're still too nice.
Longterm I can see Delph being a big player for us in the centre of the park but there should be no rush. Gareth Barry only started cementing himself a regular place in that position when he was in his mid 20's. Delph is still only 20, lets not forget. When he's ready, he's ready.
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I'm looking forward to him being back, I think he'll be a cracking player.
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Absolutely 101% agreement, have been very impressed with this lad, thought he was awesome against Brighton,--the sooner he ia available the better---reminds me of a certain past hero Alex Cropley,
should provide the bite and fight needed in midfield----wishing you a speedy recovery now Fabian lad.
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I don't see him as coming in and providing any kind of competition for Petrov (initially anyroad), not until he's got up to speed as to the demands of the Premiership and is tactically switched on.
You can afford to make the odd mistake in the third division and not get punished. Give the ball away in the centre of the park in the Prem and it can be game changing.
I'd see him coming back and providing competition for Downing initially.
This can only be a good thing as playing with two out and out wingers often leaves us unbalanced. Playing Delph wide left gives us the chance to utilise what he does best, namely taking players on and creating chances. He has a bit of bite to his game as well and that's something we could do with seeing more of in general. As a team we're still too nice.
Longterm I can see Delph being a big player for us in the centre of the park but there should be no rush. Gareth Barry only started cementing himself a regular place in that position when he was in his mid 20's. Delph is still only 20, lets not forget. When he's ready, he's ready.
I'm hoping Petrov is no where near the starting line up when Delph is fit.
Ow and we are one of the teams who has broken someones leg this year, so maybe not that nice.
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Sidwell mistiming a tackle is not indicative of the mindset of the team as a whole.
I'd be quite happy to see a central three with Delph, Petrov and NRC - with Delph operating on the left and Albrighton as our only out and out winger.
Gives us a bit of everything.
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Sidwell mistiming a tackle is not indicative of the mindset of the team as a whole.
I'd be quite happy to see a central three with Delph, Petrov and NRC - with Delph operating on the left and Albrighton as our only out and out winger.
Gives us a bit of everything.
I'm not sure, Enland for example have looked fat better an more balanced since they moved Gerrard inside and played 2 wingers.
I just fear Delph would do tge same as Gerrard and drift inside alot, leaving us very open on the left.
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I can't see us being any more vulnerable defensively on the left than we are with Downing there at present, who effectively provides nuisance value and little else if he doesn't have the ball.
Probably part of the reason why Warnock has been more exposed over the past few months.
IIRC most of Warnock's best form was pre Downing's return from injury last Nov/ Dec.
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Good point about the exposure of Warnock. A big part of his game is getting forward and putting in crosses. With Downing such a light weight he is constantly being threatend .......
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delph isnt anywhere near as effective when put out on the left wing...
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I'm not sure, Enland for example have looked fat better an more balanced since they moved Gerrard inside and played 2 wingers.
I'm not sure that the England team is the benchmark by which we should be basing our formation, unless we can guarantee ourselves fixtures against second rate teams.
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It was a 9 months lay off, so he won't be back till the new year.
Are you sure? I seem to recall October or November as the return date. The club haven't updated us much recently (no surprise there). Any quotes from Fabian himself?
It was a cruciate injury so a lot more serious than Downing's injury for example. So don't expect a quick return from him, early 2011 is realistic.
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Delph as a left winger?! Why the hell when we've got Downing and Young?
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Delph is not a winger; he'll take some time to be PL ready but hopefully he can get some substitute appearances for Petrov in the New Year and then who knows.
Time is key though with Delph, got to be patient. But he does look a great prospect in the Gerrard-style.
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delph isnt anywhere near as effective when put out on the left wing...
Come on, don't leave me hanging. The... tells me there is more to this story. Is there?
He played LM for Leeds.
Some of his best form was in that position.
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Delph as a left winger?! Why the hell when we've got Downing and Young?
Who said anything about left wing?
I specifically said playing him would be a better option than always going with two wingers, as not many sides can get away with that for an extended period of time and it often leaves us overrun in the latter stages of a match.
Delph has all the attributes to play as an orthodox LM, similar to the function that GB fulfilled for a number of years - though both bring different things to the table. Delph being more agile and more willing to take players on et.c
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Delph is not a winger; he'll take some time to be PL ready but hopefully he can get some substitute appearances for Petrov in the New Year and then who knows.
Time is key though with Delph, got to be patient. But he does look a great prospect in the Gerrard-style.
This will be the Steve Gerrard who has often played on the left hand side for Liverpool and England? Or is there another one knocking about?
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Delph should be in the middle...
This is what I think of Steve Sidwell
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg838/scaled.php?tn=0&server=838&filename=cnow.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
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delph isnt anywhere near as effective when put out on the left wing...
He played LM for Leeds.
Some of his best form was in that position.
but the majority of of his best form was in the centre...
whenever i watched him, he always drifted out of the game on the left wing, and i spoke to a lot of leeds fans after we signed him, and they pretty much backed up what i had seen, that we wouldnt get the best out of him on the left hand side, as he is better influencing the game in the centre....
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I've always seen Delph as an upgrade on NRC (e.g he can pass.)
So if NRC goes, I'd expect Delph to be his replacement and I expect GH to buy a replacement for Petrov aswell.
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MON should have been bringing him on more in games. 20 minutes here and there at the end of games. Building it up as he got more confident.
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delph isnt anywhere near as effective when put out on the left wing...
He played LM for Leeds.
Some of his best form was in that position.
but the majority of of his best form was in the centre...
whenever i watched him, he always drifted out of the game on the left wing, and i spoke to a lot of leeds fans after we signed him, and they pretty much backed up what i had seen, that we wouldnt get the best out of him on the left hand side, as he is better influencing the game in the centre....
Eventually I do see him making the best impact directly in CM, but playing him wide left or left of a central three gives him cover to play his natural game more whilst he adapts to the top flight.
At LM he'll have Warnock in behind him, on the left side of a central three he'd have Petrov, NRC or AN Other covering him. If he plays in an orthodox two man CM, bombs forward and leaves huge gaps that result in goals scored there will be a deluge of threads saying 'Third division player/ Delph not good enough for where we want to go' and so on.
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i understand what you are saying, and to a degree, i agree with it, however, i think a left of a central three is the best position for him...
that way, he can get used to the pace of the prem with protection around him, closer to his correct position...
i dont think we should use him wide left, mainly because 1, he isnt as effective out there and his game / confidence could suffer, and 2, the wing areas are completely different style of game to the central areas, so he wouldnt be adapting to his position...
and its not like he needs to learn the what he would want from the movement of a striker from a wide area perspective, to help improve his game, like gabby did...
dont get me wrong, hes an option out wide, shoud it needed, and versatility is always good, but i want to see the best out of him, for the last reason you mention... a couple of average games out wide where he is less effective as he is in the centre, and the knives will be out...
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Reactivating this old thread which refers to his original injury, but unless I have missed something the question is worth asking again as although I see passing references to his most recent absence and return, there seems to be an eery silence from the club about the extent of his injury and his most recent ley-off.
Anyone have any news on this?
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I have been trying to find out about the recent injury. But as you said the official site is very quiet and that is slightly worrying ............
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A question for the General on tonight's webchat.
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Delph seemed in good spirits when the team visited Acorns the other day.
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I think that Delph is a box to box midfielder, that sort of role that at Arsenal has Diaby. So, if we play 4-3-3 he can play advanced CM, with tho other CM covering him, that could be Makoun and Petrov or NRC.
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Even if we don't get Adam in this transfer window, a midfield of Coker/Petrov - Makoun - Delph does look a lot better.
Options, versatility, speed, creativity, toughness - what more could you ask for!
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According to Villatalk they're saying on there that he's back in training but won't be rushed this time - Houllier was an idiot to play him in the first team so soon. They are also trying to arrange a practice game for him.
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If it hasn't been tweeted, then it isn't true.
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i agree with that course of action... ease him back in now...
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Delph is in a couple of the pictures from the training session on Friday. He looks fine - he could feature against Blackburn on Saturday - at least on the bench, but hopefully he's fit enough to start. Encouraging!
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Don't rush him, but it'll be good to have him back.
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GH admitted he rushed him back didn't he? I'd say he's just proceeding with caution this time.
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Available for selection against Blackburn seemingly
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MON should have been bringing him on more in games. 20 minutes here and there at the end of games. Building it up as he got more confident.
I don't think MON was aware that you could actually use substitutes.
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MON should have been bringing him on more in games. 20 minutes here and there at the end of games. Building it up as he got more confident.
I don't think MON was aware that you could actually use substitutes.
He wasn't he thought the people on the bench were his fan club