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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: john e on September 25, 2010, 07:21:48 PM
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wish we'd broken the bank to land him 4 weeks ago......NOT
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I think he's run his course at Everton tbh.
Still would like him as the next manager after GH, whenever that is.
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There's a malaise surrounding Everton at the moment, but I'll reserve my piss-taking for when our own season has definitely started improving. A bad result tomorrow and our own garden won't look so rosy.
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Always thought Moyes is just a younger version of MON.
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If they lose to small heath next week I think he might be fired. A lot of Everton fans are pissed off with Moyes at the moment.
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Bit harsh i reckon,
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Bit harsh i reckon,
Me too. As much as I'm uninterested in other clubs' managers, David Moyes strikes me as one of the better/more honourable ones. Unfortunately those characteristics appear to be somewhat redundant. That's the times we live in.
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Everton would be crazy to get rid of him and I'm sure they won't.
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My mate who supports Everton has wanted him out for the last couple of seasons. A lot of it is to do with the rubbish players he has bought like Saha and how dreadful the football is that they play. Moyes was part of the reason why he gave up his season ticket he has had for over 20 years. It's funny how people see a club from the outside to the supporters of a club.
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I said the other day that I think it's all becoming a bit too much for him up there. His finances are now completely dried up, and while he has one or two very good players that would fetch a price, nothing of the calibre of a Rooney or Lescott to help fund reinforcements. That coupled with a grow propensity to just lose his head at officials/media/other players/other fans to me shows a man who has taken the club as far as it can go. Loyalty is one thing, but it needs to be reciprocated by the owners. They haven't found a buyer to push the club on, and he's now stuck with all the jobs at major clubs locked up. He's stuck there.
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Everton are the sort of side that will probably go on a winning run of 7 or 8 games and everybody would be going on about what a great manager he is. I'm not convinced by him at all and don't like their style of play, plus he's got a track record of signing crocks.
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Everton would be crazy to get rid of him and I'm sure they won't.
Why not? Played 6, won 0, bottom of the league, no injury excuses (only team in PL not to have won) things might get even worse for them looking at their next 3 fixtures. small heath away, Liverpool at home and Spuds away... if they still haven't won after those 3 games I'll find it hard to see how he WON'T be fired.
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i think he's a good manager. just didnt want him at Villa as he is very similar to MON without the personality
at least with Houllier we have the unpredictable in the sense that we dont know what sort of players he'l buy, what style of football we will get,
with Moyes it would have been more of the same
i wouldnt swap, even though Moyes was one of the favourites on here for the job
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I think Moyes has done a great job with limited resourses at Everton.
I'd much rather he'd been recruitd as opposed to MON in hindsight - but hindsight is a wonderful thing !
An Arteta at VP would make all the difference.
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A very good manager if you consisder where he has kept his team on the resources available.it will be interesting to see what he can do if Everton ever get someone to invest better than average money in his squad.
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I like Moyes, I still think Everton will turn the corner very soon and be up there yet again. They always start slow though don't they? Who knows why.
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You take out the money from Rooney and Lescott, you have to say that he has'nt had a great deal of money to spend.
You look at his buys, he has'nt done too bad, Cahill, Jagelka, Pienaar, Saha, have all been excellant signings, and then you have Arteta.Some buys have been questionable, granted, but i think if he would have had the money MON, or Bruce have had, then i think you would have to say you would probably be closer to the top 4.
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He's a good manager, but that doesn't mean that he is without limitations. From what I understand, Everton have played better than their current league position suggests. That sometimes happen in football.
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To be fair Everton get off to a crap start virtually every season.
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I have a theory. And that is, his head was turned when Villa declared their interest. But he was obviously loyal to Everton. That may have had an effect on their current form. I may of course be completely wrong.
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Overrated in my opinion. And some of the most boring football I've ever seen has been played by Everton under Moyes.
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All he needs is for Beckford to start scoring all the goals that some on here predicted he was capable of at Premier League level...
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The style of football argument I don't see.
That probably had some merit a few years ago when they were notorious for going 1-0 up home or away and sitting on it, just completely killing the game as a spectacle. Also, I don't think I've ever seen an uglier game than our 3-2 win up there in 98 - with them just content to launch the ball into our box at every available opportunity. But they have developed since then and have more than one way to play.
The 3-3 at our place in the same season they played some cracking football, and some of the passing and movement at VP this season from them was top class. Had we lost that game 3 or even 4-1 we couldn't realistically have had too many complaints.
They've missed a trick this year though. Despite his regular griping, every summer in recent seasons they've made at least one top class signing. They haven't spent as much as other clubs, but they'be built a good squad gradually in that manner. DM's error ratio in the transfer market must be one of the best too, that helps of course. But not signing a forward this summer could have major repercussions for them. I'm sure he did try, so you have to wonder if the finance has gone completely up there.
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He came in to the coffee house/ restaraunty type place I used to manage in Preston, he'd been back to watch his old side (about 2 yrs into his Everton career) playing an evening match (Chimichanga and a sparkling water). What a thoroughly nice bloke he was too, nowhere near as scary as he comes over on tv, his eyes didn't appear to bulge in that slightly reptilian way, it must be to do with the lighting.
Anywho; Everton will finish in the top 8 again this year more than likely, and with the finances available to him that is a fantastic achievement. Let's face it we were more than a little lucky to get 3 points off them at our place, and I've checked the goat entrails, the red shite and the knuckledraggers are both destined to lose.
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I like Moyes. At least he doesn't throw his toys out of the pram and leave his club in the shit when told he doesn't have money to spend.
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Those 5th places he got were real over-achievements. I think he's a decent gaffer. Everton have generally started slowly over the last few season. Not quite this slowly mind, and this season, though they're suffering some injuries, not to the extent of the previous two years.
They'll turn it round though, I'm sure. But really, should be no threat to ourselves. They should be 8th place. They won't push on without investment. To be fair to Moyes, he's got blood from a stone.
He might have run his course though, fresh ideas may be required. But I sense a change would only result at mid table mediocrity at best.
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Moyes needs to start Everton's season with a Christmas party for the players. They'd will the league for sure.
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Well they'd need to find another manager for a start and as we proved they're not that east to find. There is of course a certain MON available. I think he would do a good job at Everton as they have some great players.
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Can't believe how quickly people on here are writing Everton off! It was only a couple of seasons ago that they clawed back a massive amount of points to finish above us. It's not even October and they are only three wins of a top four place....
They are not as strong as in previous years, but they will give us a good run for our money.
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My mate who supports Everton has wanted him out for the last couple of seasons. A lot of it is to do with the rubbish players he has bought like Saha and how dreadful the football is that they play. Moyes was part of the reason why he gave up his season ticket he has had for over 20 years. It's funny how people see a club from the outside to the supporters of a club.
Madness. Saha is an excellent striker.
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If I recall correctly, Everton battered us the other week. Sometimes things just dont go for you. I'm sure they will improve. Starting with a win over the Heathens next week.
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i like david moyes but hes rather mon like
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If we had their midfield we'd finish in the top four.
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If we had one or two of their midfield maybe. If their midfield as a whole was that good they wouldn't be in the shit. Or have horrendous runs every season.
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If we had one or two of their midfield maybe. If their midfield as a whole was that good they wouldn't be in the shit. Or have horrendous runs every season.
There's nothing wrong with their midfield, far from it.
His problem is his inability to spot a striker, and his attachment to Phil Neville at right back.
Really is strange, though, they're a more than decent side, they played us off the park the other week, but they're struggling for points in the early part of the season again.
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Rodwell and Arteta (and I think Ireland is as good as he is) and that's all I'd bother with.
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Rodwell and Arteta (and I think Ireland is as good as he is) and that's all I'd bother with.
Cahill?
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Fallaini ?
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Rodwell and Arteta (and I think Ireland is as good as he is) and that's all I'd bother with.
Cahill?
Instead of who? Ashley Young? Stephen Ireland? I think he's a (aerial) goal threat but provides little else.
To add squad depth, sure. But he wouldn't improve our starting XI.
Also, I think he's an odeous twat.
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Fallaini ?
No. A big dirty elbowing bastard and a joke at £15m. Dont rate him at all.
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Hetinga is a player I'd take from Everton.
Tough player, can play right back, centre back and holding midfield.
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Rodwell and Arteta (and I think Ireland is as good as he is) and that's all I'd bother with.
Re. Ireland, I think you ( and me) are the only Villa fans to be excited at seing him in a Villa shirt.
Most seem more obsessed with his cars and house.
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Fallaini ?
No. A big dirty elbowing bastard and a joke at £15m. Dont rate him at all.
Personally, I think he'd be exactly what we need in our midfield right now!
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Giving fouls away constantly and putting us under pressure?
We need a physical midfielder, just not that clown.
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He ran the game against us.
He has height and power, which we lack in midfield - when was the last time one of our midfielders won a header? He's also good on the ball and can spot a simple pass to set up an attack.
Yes, he's all elbows and gives away fouls, but what was Gezza saying last week about us being too nice?
I rate him and think he'd greatly improve us!
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He ran the game against us.
He did? I must have missed that John.
I remember him making a bollocks of his clearance which allowed us to score.
Sorry, dont rate him.
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Fellatio is a very good player, and still young and improving. I think he's the right mix of aggression and skill that we need in our midfield.
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He in particular is not what we need. I'd be gutted if we decided he was the player we desperately need in our midfield. Neither do I expect for one minute that Houllier would think so.
We need a player with tenacity and power but also the class and ability to boss a game which I do not think Fellaini does or ever will possess.
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He ran the game against us.
He did? I must have missed that John.
I remember him making a bollocks of his clearance which allowed us to score.
Sorry, dont rate him.
Fair enough - we seem to agree on most players, but I guess he's the exception.
Yes, he did mess up in that particular point, but what player doesn't make an error in most games? After that everything Everton did went through him and he marked carew well for our set pieces.
As I said, he's the blueprint of what I think our midfield is lacking.
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I'd say Rodwell was. He's much, much better than Fellaini with far more potential. He would be very expensive and hard to get though, I know. But that's the sort of player I'd be after.
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Fellaini is OK but his form seems to be very hit and miss and I think he lacks the mobility you need from a modern midfield player. He's also a dirty fucker who, if refs weren't all stupid twats, would spend the majority of the season suspended.
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I'm with Mazrim on this one. Fellaini does have its bright sparks but his flashpoints would cause more damage than good. I wouldnt like to see some of his antics in a Villa shirt. Should be banned for some of the things he gets away with.
Everton supporting friend of mine said yesterday that he'd have been happy for Moyes to accept the Villa job with MON replacing him. Apparently the consensus is that hes took them as far as they can and they need someone new to bring in fresh ideas. Sound familiar?
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Everton supporting friend of mine said yesterday that he'd have been happy for Moyes to accept the Villa job with MON replacing him. Apparently the consensus is that hes took them as far as they can and they need someone new to bring in fresh ideas. Sound familiar?
When Moyes was touted as a better option than MON on here my answer was always that there is pretty much nothing between them and with similar resources I'd expect similar results and a similar league position. MON would be a good choice for them if Moyes left, but we wouldn't improve them any.
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He in particular is not what we need. I'd be gutted if we decided he was the player we desperately need in our midfield. Neither do I expect for one minute that Houllier would think so.
We need a player with tenacity and power but also the class and ability to boss a game which I do not think Fellaini does or ever will possess.
I hear Olivier DaCourt is available.
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Everton supporting friend of mine said yesterday that he'd have been happy for Moyes to accept the Villa job with MON replacing him. Apparently the consensus is that hes took them as far as they can and they need someone new to bring in fresh ideas. Sound familiar?
When Moyes was touted as a better option than MON on here my answer was always that there is pretty much nothing between them and with similar resources I'd expect similar results and a similar league position. MON would be a good choice for them if Moyes left, but we wouldn't improve them any.
I agree entirely. Moyes is very MON-esque.
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He in particular is not what we need. I'd be gutted if we decided he was the player we desperately need in our midfield. Neither do I expect for one minute that Houllier would think so.
We need a player with tenacity and power but also the class and ability to boss a game which I do not think Fellaini does or ever will possess.
I hear Olivier DaCourt is available.
Probably because he's 35.
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Didn't Coopers injury always bang on about how signing Jermaine Beckford would save O'Neill's Villa career? Weirdly then, it appears to have ruined that of David Moyes!
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Didn't Coopers injury always bang on about how signing Jermaine Beckford would save O'Neill's Villa career? Weirdly then, it appears to have ruined that of David Moyes!
It's not all that weird when you factor in the fact that he was completely and utterly wrong about Jermaine Beckford.
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Is he actually playing for them at the moment?
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Didn't Coopers injury always bang on about how signing Jermaine Beckford would save O'Neill's Villa career? Weirdly then, it appears to have ruined that of David Moyes!
It's not all that weird when you factor in the fact that he was completely and utterly wrong about Jermaine Beckford.
So you're saying that Beckford isn't actually that good after all and that Coopers Injury was, well, erm, wrong? Blimey.
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Is he actually playing for them at the moment?
He is playing in virtually every game. He started several including against us and his Pen was saved which allowed Brentford to win in the cup match.
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Didn't Coopers injury always bang on about how signing Jermaine Beckford would save O'Neill's Villa career? Weirdly then, it appears to have ruined that of David Moyes!
It's not all that weird when you factor in the fact that he was completely and utterly wrong about Jermaine Beckford.
So you're saying that Beckford isn't actually that good after all and that Coopers Injury was, well, erm, wrong? Blimey.
I'm saying, were I allowed to without getting banned, that the man was a raving loon.
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At some point Moyes is going to have to to a risk at a more ambitious club. Until then the jury is out, clearly he's good at getting a team well organised and difficult to beat but he's been there a long time and they've not really progressed beyond that.
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I'm saying, were I allowed to without getting banned, that the man was a raving loon.
Ok, I'm banning you for that. Look at me. I SAID LOOK AT ME WHEN I'M TALKING TO YOU. You're officially banned now. OK?
There
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Moyes is a good manager, and I think he'd have been many peoples choice over GH on here.
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No doubt but doesnt make it the right choice. I guess we'll never know until Moyes moves to another club.
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Lets focus on Mr H. Great start and the feel good factor is back ...
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I guess we'll never know until Moyes moves to another club.
If he has to walk from Everton I wonder what would be his way back. My guess is Old Firm/Scottish national side
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Bill Kenwright was just on SSN giving his backing to Moyes.
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Bill Kenwright was just on SSN giving his backing to Moyes.
Oh dear.
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I think he's done a good job there but familiarity breeds contempt and after a bad start in league and cup the natives are getting restless. I think they should hold their nerve, he's had bad starts before and finished in a good position.
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People would have said that we were nuts to want MON out but I think the difference here is the backing financially that the two received.
On that basis, I still think it would be daft for Everton to get rid of him.
He could do with trying out pastures new mind.
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Who did/has done better - Moyes with Everton or O'Neill with us?
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He's a good manager who has done well for them. I don't think they should sack him as it is doubtful they will do better. I was actually pretty happy that we didn't give him the job as I don't like his teams' style of play even if I rate him as a manager.
I'm also fairly happy with the man we've got.
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For the budgets available to both it would have to be Gollum.
He has also refined their style of play over time.
MON could have been with us another ten years and I don't think we'd have altered the way we play.
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I don't rate Felliani that highly either, you'd certainly buy plenty of other central midfielders for 20m before him. I'd have Pienaar before him and he'll be on a free at the end of the season.
Cahill is very good at what he does aswell.
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Can anyone seriously tell me why people hype and pverrate Rodwell so much... what does he do that makes him so amazing, am I missing something? Perhaps he scored against Man United...
Same with Chris smalling... what the hell, spend 10 million on a player who has hardly played for Fulham, lol, Fulham have robbed United on that one.
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Their combined age is 40. I can't speak for Smalling, but if Ferguson believes in him enough to spend that much on him I'd say it's worth waiting for. Rodwell is fantastic, though, as good a defensive midfielder as you'd ever need already and he's still got so much time. He's extremely calm on the ball and his positioning is excellent, not to mention drive and energy.
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Off topic, but every time I've watched Stoke this year they've played with a good amount of spirit no matter what the score is. How much could be attributed to Tony Pulis is unknown, but what you guys think of him?
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I think Tony Pulis is a hypocrite.
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Their combined age is 40. I can't speak for Smalling, but if Ferguson believes in him enough to spend that much on him I'd say it's worth waiting for. Rodwell is fantastic, though, as good a defensive midfielder as you'd ever need already and he's still got so much time. He's extremely calm on the ball and his positioning is excellent, not to mention drive and energy.
Obviously Fergie has proved to be a good manager but I do wonder about a combined £17mil on Smalling and Bebe. Neither have really shown anything to deserve that type of money to be spent on them
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Haven't seen too much from either Rodwell or Smalling to support the hype.
Far and away the best young english player around is Wilshere. I also think Jordan Henderson at Sunderland is an excellent young player.
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Smalling is not up to much, Rodwell is.
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Dont think Rodwell and Smalling are any better than Delph and Gary Gardner. So come the summer we will already have players of that calibre on board ........