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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Gaztonniller on September 23, 2010, 08:26:33 AM
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Well what else could you say after his terrific match saving contribution to the Villa cause last night which hauled the team into the LC quarter finals.
He came on like a man possessed, a man re-invigorated having been re-united with his former liverpool Sensai Houllier. A man who remembered that first season under the sensai he scored 23 goals in one season!!. The signs are all coming together, and the omens looking good, that under Sensai Houllier, Emile (first touch, one goal) will be great again. And all those Villa critics who scorned and doubted him, and looking forward to him leaving, will be come a running and a pleading in January "Oh Emile, Oh Emile" please, please do stay.
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Steady on, he just likes scoring against Blackburn.
But I hope it continues against everybody else. He's a likeable chap, just a bit... well "shit" usually.
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Spot on Maz, However he did change the game and its probably the first (and last time I will say that) I hope I don't he was like a different person when he came on as should they all be!
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Emile must really get on with GH. I guess he spent a lot of money on him at Liverpool so clearly believed in the player.
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Since joining us, he's consistently not done it for us.
He did extremely well last night, nobody could deny him that, it was an excellent cameo performance, and good on him.
One swallow does not make a spring, though, so let's keep it in perspective.
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Last 16, not quarter finals though
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I f we had a player that was normally brilliant for us and then had a stinker we wouldn't be writing him off as shit, so by the same token we have to view last night as a rare good game from a poor player.
If he keeps it up I may change my mind!
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I'd really like him to go on and produce form like that more often, but I can't see it. I think he'll come on v Wolves on sunday for 20 minutes and hardly touch the ball.
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Villa critics who scorned and doubted him, and looking forward to him leaving, will be come a running and a pleading in January "Oh Emile, Oh Emile" please, please do stay.
I trust you're taking the piss.
He's got a long way to go, one good game against Blackburn can't make up for his inate shitness in countless others.
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There are many more in the Villa squad as well as Heskey that have to put in a more consistant game.
And, dare I say it, some in the squad who need to put in more effort too.
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I just hope he can repeat his blackburn form in orther games.
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I'd really like him to go on and produce form like that more often, but I can't see it. I think he'll come on v Wolves on sunday for 20 minutes and hardly touch the ball.
He'll start on Sunday and so he should.
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I read a really article about Emile a couple of months back, just after he'd announced his retirement from international football. Can't remember the source, but it was online, so it was probably the Guardian.
Anyway, the jist of it was how Heskey had lost his way after buying in to all the 'unselfish, hard working, hold up play, doesn't score but doesn't matter, teammates rate him' mantra going round. How, in his Leicester days and a good part of his Liverpool career he was a lot more direct, more aggressive, played to scare defenders, running at them, causing problems. I thought the article was dead right. Over the years he just stopped doing those things. I remember thinking at the time - wouldn't it be great if he could rediscover that fire in his belly for the final chapter of his career?
We can dream, at least.
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If you could "bottle" that motivation and get that kind of performance of our Emile every game you would have an excellent player - problem is he cannot seem to give that sort of performance often enough , but heres hoping that GH can get that out of him more often
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I'd really like him to go on and produce form like that more often, but I can't see it. I think he'll come on v Wolves on sunday for 20 minutes and hardly touch the ball.
He'll start on Sunday and so he should.
After that display last night I agree.
Any news on Gabby?
Is he a doubt now?
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If you could "bottle" that motivation and get that kind of performance of our Emile every game you would have an excellent player - problem is he cannot seem to give that sort of performance often enough , but heres hoping that GH can get that out of him more often
If Emile produced like that every game he'd be up there with Drogba.
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Apparently there were two guys last night who were doubting this is an omen of Emie's revival. Since last night, one of them has been sliced in half by a lift cable and the other one has been beheaded by a sheet of glass so it's looking promising.
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I read a really article about Emile a couple of months back, just after he'd announced his retirement from international football. Can't remember the source, but it was online, so it was probably the Guardian.
Anyway, the jist of it was how Heskey had lost his way after buying in to all the 'unselfish, hard working, hold up play, doesn't score but doesn't matter, teammates rate him' mantra going round. How, in his Leicester days and a good part of his Liverpool career he was a lot more direct, more aggressive, played to scare defenders, running at them, causing problems. I thought the article was dead right. Over the years he just stopped doing those things. I remember thinking at the time - wouldn't it be great if he could rediscover that fire in his belly for the final chapter of his career?
We can dream, at least.
Quite interesting.
I don't think he is, or ever has been, a 'natural' goal scorer, but if I were marking him I'd be happy with him dropping deep and trying to link things as opposed to playing on the shoulder where his power and (now fading) pace would be a handful.
More to come from him? Yes, although who knows if we'll ever see it. Regular goal scorer? No. I think the 23 in one season was the fluke/one off and if he breaks double figures this season I'd be delighted!
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What's a sensai?
According to Google, it's a Japanese skincare product.
There's no doubt that when Emile is up for it he is a real handful. Unfortunately, his confidence is so fragile that he all too rarely does seem up for it. Let's hope GH can motivate him a little better.
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A long way to go before he'll get the majority on side, but if he continues last night's performance over a more extended period he may just get there. I remain unconvinced that he can, but it's a perfect start for him under GH
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You could see how the change affected Ashley Young almost immediately, and it wasn't just a case of getting a few more nod-downs. Young was visibly pumped up after the equaliser, much more vocal and much scarier to the Blackburn defence. In the last couple of games, playing with Gabby and Carew just hasn't done it for him but whatever Heskey represented (strength? power? fear?) to him made a hell of a lot of difference. The Ashley Young of the first half would have never connected with that ball for his header.
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A very good display after replacing the inept John Carew.
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And I heard
As it were
A voice of thunder
One of the Holte End saying `Look and see'
And I saw
And behold
Emile scored
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A plus point if Heskey discovers some form is that Carew might be motivated to play more as well as he wouldn't be a preferred option with the management / fans.
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The liver was clear and 3 Eagles chased a solitary Hawk from the sky. And then came a rumbling through woods. A Bear fell over.
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Bit of a strange one considering he was full of praise for now 2 time ex boss MON when he first signed. Saying how he was looking to rediscovering his best form like the Leicester days.
I think Him and Gabby will be the settled starters in the mould of Heskey/Owen circa the scousers 2001.
Long may it continue, but I wont hold my breath.
If anything, it was nice just to see someone acknowledge things weren't working and change it around.
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And I heard
As it were
A voice of thunder
One of the Holte End saying `Look and see'
And I saw
And behold
Emile scored
And the virgins were all trimming their wicks.
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GH obviously rates him, in Liverpool's treble winning season he started and finished most games. It was Owen and Fowler who got rotated/subbed. Let's hope for a double whammy - the rebirth of Heskey and a knock on effect of a motivated John Carew.
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Didn't Emule say that O'Neill always used to call him 'boy' ?
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Didn't Emule say that O'Neill always used to call him 'boy' ?
And he used to call him "boss" too.
Hmmm.
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Didn't Emule say that O'Neill always used to call him 'boy' ?
And he used to call him "boss" too.
Hmmm.
I am right aren't I?
I'm sure he said it at the press conference when he signed for us.
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I do recall something like that, but I’m not 100% sure to be honest.
I’m still reeling at the fact that we had Colonel Sanders in charge.
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I'm happy to give all players a fresh start under a new manager. Obviously some will flourish under certain bosses, but not under others. Only natural. Houllier has previously seen the best of Heskey (saying that, O Neill did too at Leicester).
If even given Sidwell a clean slate. So fingers crossed we start seeing some of the under performing group, beginning to perform.
Cracking start from Big Emile, and long may it continue. He seriously needs to start using his strength and pace to full affect.
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Cracking start from Big Emile, and long may it continue. He seriously needs to start using his strength and pace to full affect.
I've got a wall that needs plastering.
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Cracking start from Big Emile, and long may it continue. He seriously needs to start using his strength and pace to full affect.
I've got a wall that needs plastering.
Ask Phil Brown :)
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Cracking start from Big Emile, and long may it continue. He seriously needs to start using his strength and pace to full affect.
I've got a wall that needs plastering.
Ask Phil Brown :)
He's painting the shed.
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It's all in his head
If he believes the new manager believes in him (if you follow me) he may have a renaissance
Watch him in the post match interviews-he does this thing of trying to stoop/crouch so as not to be/appear his full size,as if he is not comfortable with his might.
read Cascarino's autobiog-Graham Taylor spotted that Tony would benefit from seeing a sports pyschologist but left before anything was done about it.
big Cas would have a voice in his head telling him he was crap(plus a lot of fans shouting it!)
when he went to France he thought "fuck it-i'm going to be selfish and shoot every time i see the goal" -the fans got behind him and he went on to fill his boots
Contrast that with " he used to be shite but now he's allright"
damning with faint praise
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Cracking start from Big Emile, and long may it continue. He seriously needs to start using his strength and pace to full affect.
I've got a wall that needs plastering.
Ask Phil Brown :)
He's painting the shed.
Make sure he doesn't use your creosote on himself again.
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Cracking start from Big Emile, and long may it continue. He seriously needs to start using his strength and pace to full affect.
I've got a wall that needs plastering.
Ask Phil Brown :)
He's painting the shed.
Make sure he doesn't use your creosote on himself again.
He was painting it with Bruce Foxton but they had a falling out over the creosote so i've got Foxton helping one of the blokes from East 17 to clear the yard whilst Brown does the painting. If Foxton does a good job then he will be the one doing the creosoting. Phill is booked in at Tantastic at half 3 anyway.
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The Reynolds Girls are buffing my bell end at about 5 today.
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I'd rather Jack.
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I'd rather Jack.
In true Inbetweeners style, brilliant.
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He was painting it with Bruce Foxton but they had a falling out over the creosote so i've got Foxton helping one of the blokes from East 17 to clear the yard whilst Brown does the painting. If Foxton does a good job then he will be the one doing the creosoting. Phill is booked in at Tantastic at half 3 anyway.
Stop it, I'm trying to write a sad story about a person who died
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Heskey scores in debut for MON against Pompey.
Heskey scores in first match for GH against Blackburn.
See the connection?
The omen is that hes made his cameo and will go shit again, but just as I did after Pompey, I will pray that we will see a new Heskey...however I wont be surprised if we're resorting to calling him Emule again in a few weeks.
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Heskey scores in debut for MON against Pompey.
Heskey scores in first match for GH against Blackburn.
See the connection?
The omen is that hes made his cameo and will go shit again, but just as I did after Pompey, I will pray that we will see a new Heskey...however I wont be surprised if we're resorting to calling him Emule again in a few weeks.
A bit of positivety in the meantime may help.The fans singing " he used to be shite but now he's alright " must make him feel great !
I was cringeing when that was sung last night
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Honesty. Self-deprecating humour. Long tradition.
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Theres quite a few cringe worthy songs being sung at the moment.
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Theres quite a few cringe worthy songs being sung at the moment.
That's what I'd call shit support..... ma lord.
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GH said that Heskey is a confidence player, i don't suppose he will have much confidence every time he puts on a Villa shirt his own teams supporters get on his back.
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If he could play Blackburn and Portsmouth every week he'd be set.
Lets see how he gets on v the Tatters (if he even plays) before we get too carried away.
Even Cantscorino bagged a few here and there and had the occasional good performance.
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Reports tell me Heskey was excellent tonight... but lots not get too hasty, we've seen the rare 'excellent' performances whilst he has been at Villa followed up by a continuous run of poor performances. I do think playing under Houllier as manager again will do lots for his confidence and self-esteem, hopefully we can see more performances like this in the future.
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Ive got no time for giving it out to our own. from now on i will be singing "he played for the shite, but now he's alright."
theres enough people on here to get it changed surely-anyone else in?
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Apparently there were two guys last night who were doubting this is an omen of Emie's revival. Since last night, one of them has been sliced in half by a lift cable and the other one has been beheaded by a sheet of glass so it's looking promising.
The punishment of the Emile mockers, non believers, the cynics, and critics.
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What's a sensai?
According to Google, it's a Japanese skincare product.
There's no doubt that when Emile is up for it he is a real handful. Unfortunately, his confidence is so fragile that he all too rarely does seem up for it. Let's hope GH can motivate him a little better.
For Sensai see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensei or http://www.ki-society.org.uk/articles/sensei.shtml
And what was Houllier's former profession before going into professional football management? I let you look that up for yourselves. Its an Omen and a sign. Believe it.
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30 mins against blackburn b and its a rebirth...... sigh
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Most of his performances in a Villa shirt to date have resembled an afterbirth, or a back street abortion.
Just trotting through games disinterested, occasionally falling over. Looking like he'd smoked every weed in the Blue Peter garden. Too much sensi, if you will.
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30 mins against blackburn b and its a rebirth...... sigh
Curse of the modern game stevenjos.
The Times are saying 'It's a new lease of life for him'
The media these days seem to have the memories of goldfish.
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30 mins against blackburn b and its a rebirth...... sigh
I know, how dare Villa fans think he played well and ask if he'll keep it up! I for one didn't even celebrate when he scored and it's unfair for such a shit player to have a positive effect on a game - it's virtually cheating! I say we apologise to Blackburn and they take our place in the 4th round draw instead.
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And what was Houllier's former profession before going into professional football management? I let you look that up for yourselves. Its an Omen and a sign. Believe it.
I'm an English teacher too, but I don't see an omen in it.
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i hope he does ram my words down my throat, but i cant really see it...
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30 mins against blackburn b and its a rebirth...... sigh
I know, how dare Villa fans think he played well and ask if he'll keep it up! I for one didn't even celebrate when he scored and it's unfair for such a shit player to have a positive effect on a game - it's virtually cheating! I say we apologise to Blackburn and they take our place in the 4th round draw instead.
I think stevenjos is merely stating that the description of a 'rebirth' is an exaggeration, and he'd be right.
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30 mins against blackburn b and its a rebirth...... sigh
I know, how dare Villa fans think he played well and ask if he'll keep it up! I for one didn't even celebrate when he scored and it's unfair for such a shit player to have a positive effect on a game - it's virtually cheating! I say we apologise to Blackburn and they take our place in the 4th round draw instead.
I think stevenjos is merely stating that the description of a 'rebirth' is an exaggeration, and he'd be right.
Can't help wondering how p*ssed off he was when Heskey scored though.
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He scored in his first Villa game under MON as well so don't get too excited. However I don't think he's as bad as some people make out, and that he often makes a positive contribution when he plays. The big problem is he's a striker and as such he's always going to be measured almost exclusively by the number of goals he scores - and he doesn't score anywhere near enough. Yet.
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He came on..I tutted, shook my head and then buried my head in my hands, muttering "for fuXX sake, nothings changed"
He receives the ball, I expect him to fall over or mis- kick the ball .... he scores and I burst out laughing.
For the remainder of the game I kept checking my programme to see if it really was Heskey.
Well done Emile you played well for 30 minutes - will you repeat that again this season?
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This is what happens when you use him as an attacking center forward as opposed to a defensive center forward....
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Its about 30 minutes more than Carew at the moment. The bloke has been awful. With Gabby and his injuries, its no wonder we've not scored enough goals so far.
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30 mins against blackburn b and its a rebirth...... sigh
I know, how dare Villa fans think he played well and ask if he'll keep it up! I for one didn't even celebrate when he scored and it's unfair for such a shit player to have a positive effect on a game - it's virtually cheating! I say we apologise to Blackburn and they take our place in the 4th round draw instead.
I think stevenjos is merely stating that the description of a 'rebirth' is an exaggeration, and he'd be right.
But he also refuses to celebrate any goal that involves Heskey. So we're now out of the cup according to this clown.
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he scores and I burst out laughing.
That was exactly my reaction as well!
There's not a Villa fan on here that doesn't hope that Heskey can suddenly transform himself into van Basten under Hotlips and bang in twenty goals to propel us into the top four, but you know...it's Emile...err...not going to happen is it?
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he scores and I burst out laughing.
That was exactly my reaction as well!
There's not a Villa fan on here that doesn't hope that Heskey can suddenly transform himself into van Basten under Hotlips and bang in twenty goals to propel us into the top four, but you know...it's Emile...err...not going to happen is it?
GH has just said on SSN that we don't need another striker so it better start happening !
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I'm hoping that is Hotlips just doing his best to make Heskey feel good, anyway, we need another striker even if Heskey comes good, Carew on Wednesday looked like he'd been doing the poledancing himself all night rather than just watching it.
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Like most other posters, I thought he played very well and was pleased to hear the applause when he got Man of the Match. He did a lot more than the goal and the two assists, and when he did make the odd mistake the crowd applauded him for trying rather than groaning or jeering. I hope GH gives him a chance to impress on Sunday and includes him from the start.
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I'm hoping that is Hotlips just doing his best to make Heskey feel good, anyway, we need another striker even if Heskey comes good, Carew on Wednesday looked like he'd been doing the poledancing himself all night rather than just watching it.
True.it would hardly instill confidence in our current 3 if GH said he was on the look out for another striker. It gives them the chance to prove themselves under him
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Can't help wondering how p*ssed off he was when Heskey scored though.
Not as pissed off as I was when I saw the state of my shed after Brown and Foxton had finished. Never thought i'd say this but thank goodness for Belouis Some and one of Hue or Cry (not sure which is which, bit like an older Ant & Dec) for some emergency shed repai at such short notice.
Not sure i'm going to ask Emile if he can plaster our bedroom wall, might see how he gets on with stripping the wallpaper and locating the barn door first.
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he scores and I burst out laughing.
That was exactly my reaction as well!
There's not a Villa fan on here that doesn't hope that Heskey can suddenly transform himself into van Basten under Hotlips and bang in twenty goals to propel us into the top four, but you know...it's Emile...err...not going to happen is it?
GH has just said on SSN that we don't need another striker so it better start happening !
If that's the case he's barmy, we've needed a striker for years.
What's all this hotlips stuff?
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Aye, I'd be a wee bit concerned at that.
Hopefully he's doing it to fire up the existing lot, reasoning that if they have his backing they'll deliver. Personally I think having to play for their place and the imminent threat of a new (and long overdue) forward would help even more in that regard.
But we'll see.
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he scores and I burst out laughing.
That was exactly my reaction as well!
There's not a Villa fan on here that doesn't hope that Heskey can suddenly transform himself into van Basten under Hotlips and bang in twenty goals to propel us into the top four, but you know...it's Emile...err...not going to happen is it?
GH has just said on SSN that we don't need another striker so it better start happening !
If that's the case he's barmy, we've needed a striker for years.
What's all this hotlips stuff?
I'm guessing it's hotlips houllihan M*A*S*H :D
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he scores and I burst out laughing.
That was exactly my reaction as well!
There's not a Villa fan on here that doesn't hope that Heskey can suddenly transform himself into van Basten under Hotlips and bang in twenty goals to propel us into the top four, but you know...it's Emile...err...not going to happen is it?
GH has just said on SSN that we don't need another striker so it better start happening !
If that's the case he's barmy, we've needed a striker for years.
What's all this hotlips stuff?
I'm guessing it's hotlips houllihan M*A*S*H :D
I see, Im a bit too young to remember it ;)
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Its about 30 minutes more than Carew at the moment. The bloke has been awful. With Gabby and his injuries, its no wonder we've not scored enough goals so far.
I completely agree - Carew is taking the piss. I hope that Emile starts on Sunday , plays well , scores and then keeps his place. The sight of Carew jogging round, more bothered about clapping the fans singing his song rather than busting a gut to get in the penalty area , drives me mad.
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GH has too much brains to say we do need a striker now we can't do anything about it for a couple of months.
Get the ones we've got high on confidence as thats the only choice we've got.
I'm sure it'll be different in January.
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I hope he goes on and scores a hat full this season. It really could happen. Then again it might not.................
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It'll be interesting to see how Carew reacts now. You'd have to assume that Houllier isn't a huge fan. After all, he wasn't a regular at Lyon, and Houllier traded him for Baros. Granted Houllier signed Big John, I believe, so probably rates him, but maybe his enthusiasm on JC dwindled.
I'd guess Houllier may rate Heskey as a more important player, but I base that on past associations.
Carew's often been accused of lacking motivation, and if his relationship with GH soured towards the end of their time at Lyon, that may have a baring on how they get on now.
Saying that, I would like to see a lot more from Carew and Heskey this season. JC's started very poorly, after finishing last so well. But then again, he generally seems to start seasons slow, before hitting a purple patch a 3rd of the way through. Hopefully. Right now he doesn't look like he could hit a barn door.
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I hope he goes on and scores a hat full this season. It really could happen. Then again it might not.................
A hat full? Do you mean 3? I would like to think he'll score more than that.
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Well, he's certainly doing his best to try and turn his Villa career around. Thought he was excellent today, involved in the build up for our first goal, and superb header for his goal. Thought he worked his bollocks off today, and was involved in a lot of our play. Long may it continue.
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An absolutely outstanding header from the much maligned bear. Kudos!
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Houllier must of had a "heart to heart" with Heskey. Houllier went against conventional wisdom by starting Heskey - and the gamble paid off. I'd personally like top see Heskey become the captain and bench Petrov.
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I've always liked honest players who work hard for the team. So I'm glad to see Heskey playing with some confidence, and looking fit. Too much time hobbling, falling over and looking like a rabbit in headlights last season. O Neill probably did little to inspire his confidence though.
But Heskey has always been a trier. Frustrating as it is when he's bobbins, when he does play well, it's pleasing to see because he seems a decent fella. You have to love a trier I suppose.
If he can get to the point of delivering a 7 out of 10 every week, and hit double figures himself, then he's worth having around, because he works his nuts off and brings others in to play. As long as Ash, Downing, Gabby, Ireland net goals from his work, we can afford to have a striker who isn't prolific. Cracking goal it was too.
I just hope this isn't a momentary buzz for Emile, that wears off. I'm also delighted to see the fans giving him some positive attention.
Keep it up Emile!
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I was heading for six points in the H&V Prediction League, and then bloody Emile Heskey pops up with a wonder header.
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I was heading for six points in the H&V Prediction League, and then bloody Emile Heskey pops up with a wonder header.
You just couldn't write it.
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Houllier must of had a "heart to heart" with Heskey. Houllier went against conventional wisdom by starting Heskey - and the gamble paid off. I'd personally like top see Heskey become the captain and bench Petrov.
You've mentioned that in two threads.
On what basis would you like to see a player who has struggled to get into the side fullstop actually made captain - with the inference being that he'd obviously be much harder to drop?
Genuine question, what do you see in him that makes him captain material?
If we're going for leftfield picks I'd go Ashley Young.
Our best player and a winner. People slate him for the moaning and gesturing at referees. But he's pretty much the only player in our side that does it.
Man U have turned it into an art form and Chelsea have plenty of it too with the likes of Terry, Cole, Drogba and co.
It's not pretty to look at and I hate it when the above do it. But they do it because they hate losing, and will turn any situation they can to their advantage. As a team we're too nice. A few more players like Ash who berate referees for crap decisions would probably benefit us more than getting Ash to reign it in.
Take the Vienna game at home as an example. First penalty decision gets turned down, Ash gets on refs case and you pretty much knew any 50/50 decision in similar circumstances next time would go our way. It has an effect, that type of pressure. Maybe it shouldn't but it does.
The best teams maximise it. Teams on the end of it or not capable of doing it themselves console themselves with being sporting losers. But that's what they tend to be more often than not - losers. Funny that.
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I do feel sorry for SteveJos. Two Villa wins in a week and he couldn't celebrate either of them.
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I was heading for six points in the H&V Prediction League, and then bloody Emile Heskey pops up with a wonder header.
You just couldn't write it.
I made exactly the same prediction.
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I do feel sorry for SteveJos. Two Villa wins in a week and he couldn't celebrate either of them.
Let's hope he has nothing to cheer about for a long time to come
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I do feel sorry for SteveJos. Two Villa wins in a week and he couldn't celebrate either of them.
I celebrated, I went fucking mental.
I aint been the biggest heskey fan i'll be the first to admit but 2 in 2 is not to be sniffed at
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I do feel sorry for SteveJos. Two Villa wins in a week and he couldn't celebrate either of them.
I celebrated, I went fucking mental.
I aint been the biggest heskey fan i'll be the first to admit but 2 in 2 is not to be sniffed at
3 in 4 as well.
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I do feel sorry for SteveJos. Two Villa wins in a week and he couldn't celebrate either of them.
I celebrated, I went fucking mental.
I aint been the biggest heskey fan i'll be the first to admit but 2 in 2 is not to be sniffed at
3 in 4 as well.
Well quite :)
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credit where it's due. We've all had a go at Emile over the time he's been with us and his last two performances won't overshadow that. Howver, he's done brilliantly for Houllier and that header today is as good as you'll see this season from anyone.
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Superb header - and credit for his part in our opener too.
I seriously don't think Carew would have done the same. Heskey should be one of the first names on the team sheet nexy week.
Players in form should keep their places .
Great win today.
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Superb header - and credit for his part in our opener too.
I seriously don't think Carew would have done the same. Heskey should be one of the first names on the team sheet nexy week.
Players in form should keep their places .
Great win today.
Let's hope that also means petrov on the bench.
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I'm one of Emules biggest critics...but fairplay to him.
Hes pretty much changed and won us the last 2 games under GH with his contributions. Still looked like he lacked confidence in post game interview but its almost like watching a different player on the pitch.
Is this down to him being provided some service in decent areas, being used as an attacking centre forward rather than a "defensive forward"...or GH bit of je ne sais quoi. Whatever it is, long may it continue.
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Superb header - and credit for his part in our opener too.
I seriously don't think Carew would have done the same. Heskey should be one of the first names on the team sheet nexy week.
Players in form should keep their places .
Great win today.
Let's hope that also means petrov on the bench.
Petrovs relegation to the bench is long overdue.
Cant believe Heskey has finally decided to start his Villa carear. Keep it going Emile.
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His first Premier League start in six months.
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If he continues to play like he has in the last two games, he is a very valuable asset to the squad.
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If he continues to play like he has in the last two games, he is a very valuable asset to the squad.
Its about bloody time isn't it.
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I'm one of Emules biggest critics...but fairplay to him.
Hes pretty much changed and won us the last 2 games under GH with his contributions. Still looked like he lacked confidence in post game interview but its almost like watching a different player on the pitch.
Is this down to him being provided some service in decent areas, being used as an attacking centre forward rather than a "defensive forward"...or GH bit of je ne sais quoi. Whatever it is, long may it continue.
And then maybe will stop calling him emule.
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He looks a lot fitter this season too, which might be part of his upturn in form. Doesn't look as if he's carrying niggles. Early last season he looked heavier than usual too. Now he's got some pace back, and is brimming with confidence on the pitch.
I hope he keeps this up, I really do.
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I thought that too when he came on v Blackburn, at least half a stone down on last year.
Knock on effect being that his movement seems to be sharper and he was able to last the distance today.
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I'm one of Emules biggest critics...but fairplay to him.
Hes pretty much changed and won us the last 2 games under GH with his contributions. Still looked like he lacked confidence in post game interview but its almost like watching a different player on the pitch.
Is this down to him being provided some service in decent areas, being used as an attacking centre forward rather than a "defensive forward"...or GH bit of je ne sais quoi. Whatever it is, long may it continue.
And then maybe will stop calling him emule.
He earned the name "Emule"...I hope he continues his form and he'll deservedly lose the tag.
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Emile for England!
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He looks a lot fitter this season too, which might be part of his upturn in form. Doesn't look as if he's carrying niggles. Early last season he looked heavier than usual too. Now he's got some pace back, and is brimming with confidence on the pitch.
I hope he keeps this up, I really do.
Just had a pint with a mate whos a wolves fan who said exactly the same thing - he thought Ivanhoe had slimmed down.
Well done Emile - long may it continue
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I think we all need to get behind him and encourage him.
One thing I keep hearing is we should play players in form, so this should also be the same when it comes to supporting Heskey.
Alot of people are saying 'yeah but before..' forget before, he is in form, is a confidence player and so should have all our support.
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He's playing well and good on him but its not as though any of the previous criticism has been unfair, he's been paid over £60k a week and he's done very little to justify it up to now.
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Houllier must of had a "heart to heart" with Heskey. Houllier went against conventional wisdom by starting Heskey - and the gamble paid off. I'd personally like top see Heskey become the captain and bench Petrov.
You've mentioned that in two threads.
On what basis would you like to see a player who has struggled to get into the side fullstop actually made captain - with the inference being that he'd obviously be much harder to drop?
Genuine question, what do you see in him that makes him captain material?
If we're going for leftfield picks I'd go Ashley Young.
Our best player and a winner. People slate him for the moaning and gesturing at referees. But he's pretty much the only player in our side that does it.
Man U have turned it into an art form and Chelsea have plenty of it too with the likes of Terry, Cole, Drogba and co.
It's not pretty to look at and I hate it when the above do it. But they do it because they hate losing, and will turn any situation they can to their advantage. As a team we're too nice. A few more players like Ash who berate referees for crap decisions would probably benefit us more than getting Ash to reign it in.
Take the Vienna game at home as an example. First penalty decision gets turned down, Ash gets on refs case and you pretty much knew any 50/50 decision in similar circumstances next time would go our way. It has an effect, that type of pressure. Maybe it shouldn't but it does.
The best teams maximise it. Teams on the end of it or not capable of doing it themselves console themselves with being sporting losers. But that's what they tend to be more often than not - losers. Funny that.
Heskey seems to be respect and be inspired by Houllier. I don't think that he would of scored the way he did today with MON or KO. What a statement it would be from Houllier to name Heskey captain. It would clearly indicate that "a new sherrif is in town" and I think that it would be good psychologically for the team in particular with respect to the players who felt "shut-out" over the last year or so. Houllier is a pioneer in the field of sports psychology.
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Watching MOTD 2 it was Heskey's run that set up Albrighton to cross for the first goal.
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Watching MOTD 2 it was Heskey's run that set up Albrighton to cross for the first goal.
Yep he was excellent today.
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Well, he's already got his usul annual total for us, acheieved in the last four games, so the pressure's off and he can relax and strut his stuff now!
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Worth a cheeky tenner on Ivanhoe bagging 20 this season?
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Watching MOTD 2 it was Heskey's run that set up Albrighton to cross for the first goal.
Yep he was excellent today.
If I'm honest, I've seen him have games like that for us before. Difference here is that he also scored.
He's having a purple patch and that's only good for the team. Due to age and past experience I think we can be confident he's not 'the answer', but he is looking like a short term solution for us!
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I'm in the 'past is the past and lets all get behind him' camp.
Well done Emile.
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I hope opposition supporters continue to give him dog's abuse, and he continues to ram it down their throats.
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Nice to see Emiles goal featured on SSN 6 of the best 8)
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Nice to see Emiles goal featured on SSN 6 of the best 8)
I bet the one off of his arse against Vienna wasn't!!
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Hee hee. (http://newsarse.com/2010/09/27/new-emile-heskey-cyborg-a-complete-success-claims-houllier/).
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Nice to see Emiles goal featured on SSN 6 of the best 8)
We wont see many better a header than that!
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Grauniad: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/27/james-collins-emile-heskey-aston-villa)
James Collins heaps praise on Aston Villa team-mate Emile Heskey
James Collins has hailed the Aston Villa striker Emile Heskey as "a players' player" who has not received the credit he deserves during his career.
Heskey has often been maligned by supporters at international and club level and he has taken time to win over the Villa fans. But Collins insisted his contribution is always recognised by his team-mates after making a flying start to Gérard Houllier's term as Villa manager.
Heskey scored once and set up two goals in the Carling Cup win over Blackburn and headed a superb winner in yesterday's Premier League triumph over Wolves at Molineux.
Collins said: "Emile was brilliant at Wolves. Whenever he has been called upon to play, either starting or playing, he has always made an impact. I thought he was superb and that goal topped off a first-class performance.
"He gets a lot of stick off fans but you ask any player who has played with him or trains in the same team as him what they think of him. They have got nothing but good things to say about him. He is a superb professional and a superb footballer and good to have on your team."
Collins added: "Emile is a players' player. I wouldn't fancy playing against Emile week in and week out. He is a real team player, puts his body on the line for the team. It is good to see him getting his rewards."
Collins believes Heskey is benefiting from the emergence of Ashley Young in the "hole" role behind him. He said: "All centre-forwards want to be scoring goals and Ashley playing in the hole behind Emile is giving him chances. Every time you get the ball to Ashley, he is making things happen."
Collins admitted the players have quickly adapted to the ideas and plans brought in by Houllier. He said: "It has been good. He has come in and put his ideas across and the boys have taken them on board. Certainly the second half on Wednesday and the first half today, the way we knocked it around was as good as anyone. We've got to continue that.
"I think the club will settle down. The new manager has come in and settled things down straight away. Two good results always makes everyone feel better."
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You always sense that, that players love Emile. Remember the reaction from the lads after he scared with his arse against Rapid.
Good stuff there from Collins too, and he's not gone overboard to suggest the last two games were totally brilliant. The honesty is good, we did well in two halfs over those games which he's acknowledged.
The way Ginge conducts himself on and off the pitch is Captain material.
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Edit - wrong thread.
Emile - hats of to him.
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Emile arise's to subdue the pack of ravenous wolves.
http://www.football.co.uk/aston_villa/wolves_1_aston_villa_2__emile_heskey_heads_superb_late_winner_for_villa_rss1325339.shtml
26 Sep 2010 - 19:29:38
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Emile Heskey forged his reputationworking under Martin O'Neill at Leicester. But he saves his most prolific formfor Gerard Houllier. And it was as if theFrenchman and the big striker hadnever been parted yesterday as a trademarkheader two minutes from time settled this WestMidlands derby in dramatic fashion. Heads up: Heskey jumps highest to score Villa's winner The revitalised striker plantedthe ball expertly inside MarcusHahnemann's right-hand post tomark a welcome return to the BarclaysPremier League for Villa'snew boss. It was more than a decade agothat then Anfield manager Houllierchose to bring Heskey in ata cost of £11million to partnerMichael Owen. He created a strikingpartnership that has not beenbettered on Merseyside since. Now Heskey has responded morepositively to Houllier in less thantwo matches than in 18 monthsunder former protege O'Neill atVilla. Houllier got off to an uncertain start. Unsure of his bearingsbefore kick-off, he headedtowards the home dug-out. But hefound himself very much at homeby the final blast of Mark Halsey'swhistle.Heskey, 32, had re-introducedhimself to stunning effect duringthe midweek Carling Cup defeat ofBlackburn Rovers. He was rewarded with a start atMolineux and played a key part inStewart Downing's 25th-minuteopening goal before saving his bestfor last when he out-jumped ChristopheBerra to bury the winner. Delight: Heskey celebrates after his crucial late goal Beaming from ear to ear andusing the word 'tough' to describea very thorough examination,Houllier said: 'I told Emile: 'Welldone, son' after the Carling Cupgame. I said to him that there wasno reason why he couldn't repeatthat performance. 'But because he plays up front and sometimes misses sitters, peopleget on his back. Maybe it hashurt him in the past. Bill Shanklyhad a saying, that if a striker missesa sitter at least he was in a positionto miss that sitter. 'Strikers sometimes miss, butother times they score the type ofgoal that Emile scored here today. 'His work-rate was phenomenal.It's difficult to play up front inEngland, eh? He's quick, he canleap. He seems to have forgottenabout his shot. But he has a tremendousshot. Maybe it's a matterof confidence.'I don't know whether he believesin me. But I believe in him.' Perfect start: Stewart Downing scores to give Villa an early lead Wolves boss Mick McCarthysomehow kept an even temper toappear before the media. This wasthe third time in successivematches Fulham and Spursbeing the previous games thatWolves have conceded decisively inthe closing minutes. It has turned a promising startinto an average one.For all that Villa were on the frontfoot during the opening exchanges,Wolves dominated the secondperiod after McCarthy had changedthings at half-time. It was Heskey's turn and subsequentcharge across the area witha Wolves defender trailing in hiswake that set up the first goal.The ball reached Marc Albrightonand his neat stepover and thumpingcross was turned in on the fullby Downing. It's only gone all the way in: Matt Jarvis sees his cross evade Brad Friedel and creep in to give Wolves an equalising goal The £12m signing hasnow collected as many goals beforethe end of September as he managedthroughout the whole of lastseason. But watched by England bossFabio Capello and what must hehave been thinking after Heskey's international retirement causedbarely a ripple just two monthsago? Matt Jarvis earned Wolvesa route back. A fine start: Gerard Houllier watched his Villa side claim victory at Molineux MATCH STATS Wolves:(4-4-2) Hahnemann 7, Foley 6, (Stearman 73min, 6) Craddock 6, Berra 6,Ward 5; (Elokobi 38, 6) Edwards 6, (Guedioura, 81) Jones 6, Henry 7,Jarvis 8; Fletcher 6, Doyle 6. Subs not used: Hennessey, Bent, Milijas.Goal: Jarvis 61. Booking: Craddock. Aston Villa: (4-4-2) Friedel 7, L Young 7,Cuellar 7, Collins 7, Warnock 6; Albrighton 7 (Agbonlahor 66, 6), Reo-Coker 8, Petrov 6 (Sidwell 85), Downing 7, A Young 7, Heskey 9. Subs not used:Ireland, Davies, Guzan, Bannan, Lichaj.Goals: Downing 25, Heskey 88. Bookings: Warnock, Sidwell.Man of the match: Emile Heskey.Referee: Mark Halsey 8.Attendance: 27,511. The winger's cross was curled infrom the left. Dave Edwardscharged across Brad Friedel's eyelineand the ball ended up in thenet. Wolves fans, sensing their firstvictory over Villa at Molineux since1978, erupted.But Villa stood firm. The gameappeared to be petering out whenDowning broke and fed the ball toAshley Young who had dartedacross the area. He, in turn, fedStephen Warnock. Heskey did therest. McCarthy was unhappy as Warnock,who had been booked in thefirst half, earned a reprieve fromHalsey after a foul on Kevin Doyle.'It's a great header by Heskey,' hesaid. 'Could we have done better?Yes, we could have done. 'But I don't think Warnock shouldhave been on the pitch. If it was afoul on Kevin, it was a booking. Itwas a real attacking opportunityfor us. 'Bearing in mind, we had twobookings at Fulham that resultedin a sending off, it just rankles abit. 'Today Villa were streets betterthan us in the first half. We dominatedthe second half equally asmuch except for the last bit thatmattered most.' Wolves 0 Aston Villa 1 - all the action as it happenedHoullier insists Aston Villa will benefit from Heskey quitting England dutyASTON VILLA FC
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Respect to Heskey. That header was world class and the desire to make it count was inspirational. Really like the Heskey -Ash combination ............
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Have just put a fiver down on Heskey to score a Hattrick at the weekend. It's 100-1 on sky bet. Given Spurs have no centrebacks, and Heskey hitting form, it's actually not a bad bet. A physical forward could have a lot of joy against their makeshift backline.
Yes...seriously, I've just bet money on Emile fucking Heskey to score a hattrick!
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You've only gone and jinxed him, haven't you?
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Has Heskey ever scored a hattrick?
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Against Derby in October 2000 according to Wiki.
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Love the bare bones honesty of Houllier: ''Because he sometimes misses sitters people get on his back.'' Compared to the care over every feckin word O'Neill used to give to questions as if you'd just asked him whether he'd sleep with your missus given the chance.
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Just seen a sidebar on SSN that says Heskey has reversed his decision to retire from Internationals.
Ivanhoe, You might have had a good 2.5 matches but surely your fitness and form should just be concentrated on Villa. You shouldn't get tired or injured playing meaningless matches for a tournament you will be too old for.
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Not good news. I think this is to our detriment. Heskey seems key to the way Houllier wants to play and Heskey simply can't play everygame. He's very injury prone. The added match time of Englands games just expend too much energy and will take it's toll on Emile.
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Not good news. I think this is to our detriment. Heskey seems key to the way Houllier wants to play and Heskey simply can't play everygame. He's very injury prone. The added match time of Englands games just expend too much energy and will take it's toll on Emile.
Not to mention the knock to his confidence if he has a poor game and he gets slated by the tabloids.
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Sorry lads and lasses, I still think he is shit ;)
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Re: The rebirth of Ernie Owen
Spot the similarity?
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Just seen "Emile Heskey decides not to end International retirement" on SSN...hopefully that means he'll remain focused on improving his performances for Villa. Never thought I'd ever be saying this, but with our current lack of decent forward options this has to be good news.
edit:
Heskey rejects England return (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,19692_6423985,00.html)
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Either I misread the SSN ticker earlier or they mis reported it but I'm sure it read as Heskey had done a U turn on England retirement.
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Yeah I think theres been conflicting stories in towards press.
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/emile-heskey.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/emile-heskey.html)
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Anyone know the extent of his injury? I'm hoping he'll be back in time for the Chelsea game? We'll need him. I never, ever, thought I'd say that about Emile, but this season he's been by far and away our best forward.
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Anyone know the extent of his injury? I'm hoping he'll be back in time for the Chelsea game? We'll need him. I never, ever, thought I'd say that about Emile, but this season he's been by far and away our best forward.
Times say it's a'deadleg'
Not sure how long that will keep him out for.
Normally a few minutes when we used to administer them at school.
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I read Emile : Owen as if they would be our forward line come January!
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Times say it's a'deadleg'
Not sure how long that will keep him out for.
Normally a few minutes when we used to administer them at school.
Ta. Let's hope that the second-degree chinese burns and atomic wedgie he suffered from the nasty sixth formers of wolverhampton comprehensive won't keep him out too long either.