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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TimTheVillain on September 18, 2010, 07:45:48 PM
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Dreadful.
The traffic heading away from VP towards the M6 is appalling this season.
There used to be a policeman at the end of the road not allowing on-coming traffic ( heading towards the ground) until the crowd had dispersed, but not this season.
Must be sorted, it's awful getting away from VP at the moment.
Anyone at the club deal with this ??
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Agreed - I was wondering where the Police were again.
Surely the roads should be made 'one way' around the ground.
I can also never understand why the road past the Trinity Road is still open so close to kick off times.
Some cars absolutely fly down there - with seemingly no concern for the pedestrians.
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Said the same myself, here:
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=40283.0
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Heading into town and through the queensway was perfectly fine.
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Had no problems today to be honest, turned left at Aston Station, up past the King Edward and on to the Motorway.
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Never had a problem getting away from VP
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Not closing the road was ridiculous again yesterday - made worse by a bloke having a heart-attack in the car park opposite Aston Tavern, and the Keystone Cops operation that tried to get help to him. Anyone know what happened to him?
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The road that the #7 bus goes up is dreadful.
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Probably due to financial cutbacks meaning less bodies being made available to police the traffic.
One chap was trying to drive his Range Rover up Witton Lane immediately after the match. I'd have given it 10 minutes for the crowd to clear.
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Probably due to financial cutbacks meaning less bodies being made available to police the traffic.
I think the Albion Blues game probably had more to do with it. That and closing of a large section of South Birmingham for the Pope.
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Probably due to financial cutbacks meaning less bodies being made available to police the traffic.
I think the Albion Blues game probably had more to do with it. That and closing of a large section of South Birmingham for the Pope.
Don't think so, it was the same for the West Ham game.
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Probably due to financial cutbacks meaning less bodies being made available to police the traffic.
I think the Albion Blues game probably had more to do with it. That and closing of a large section of South Birmingham for the Pope.
Don't think so, it was the same for the West Ham game.
Indeed, and it was like that for lots of seemingly randomly selected matches in the latter half of last season as well.
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Agree, I'm going to email the club as it is ridiculous.
Imagine after the Chelsea defeat in a few weeks time, it will be something like 8pm on a Saturday night trying to get away from the car park, and I for one will desperately want to get home for 9 pm not 10 !
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Today I emailed Tom Fantini, Head of Facilities at AVFC advising him of the traffic problem and asking that he passes the email on to whoever deals with this if not him.
A silver Merc ; C63 AMG was by me in the traffic on Saturday, number plate H33 KSY, and he was there, at a standstill like myself and all the others were.
Maybe Ivanhoe can put a complaint in to the club as well :-\
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Today I emailed Tom Fantini, Head of Facilities at AVFC advising him of the traffic problem and asking that he passes the email on to whoever deals with this if not him.
A silver Merc ; C63 AMG was by me in the traffic on Saturday, number plate H33 KSY, and he was there, at a standstill like myself and all the others were.
Maybe Ivanhoe can put a complaint in to the club as well :-\
I raced that Merc down to wembley for the Cup Semi last season, was definatly not Heskey.
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Today I emailed Tom Fantini, Head of Facilities at AVFC advising him of the traffic problem and asking that he passes the email on to whoever deals with this if not him.
A silver Merc ; C63 AMG was by me in the traffic on Saturday, number plate H33 KSY, and he was there, at a standstill like myself and all the others were.
Maybe Ivanhoe can put a complaint in to the club as well :-\
I raced that Merc down to wembley for the Cup Semi last season, was definatly not Heskey.
Strange no plate then !
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Today I emailed Tom Fantini, Head of Facilities at AVFC advising him of the traffic problem and asking that he passes the email on to whoever deals with this if not him.
A silver Merc ; C63 AMG was by me in the traffic on Saturday, number plate H33 KSY, and he was there, at a standstill like myself and all the others were.
Maybe Ivanhoe can put a complaint in to the club as well :-\
I raced that Merc down to wembley for the Cup Semi last season, was definatly not Heskey.
Strange no plate then !
That's what we thought, nice merc though.
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Yep, not bad......
I don't expect a reply from the club, but if I do, I'll post it.
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This is my reply:
Dear TimTheVillain,
Thank you for your email regarding the post match traffic in the area of the ground. I offer our apologies that you have had cause to complain to the Club. Your complaint reference is 10 / Jul-Sept 078. As we received your complaint on 21st September 2010, and in accordance with our customer charter commitment, the deadline for our reply is 5th October 2010.
At Aston Villa, we ask that the department to which your complaint relates be responsible for our reply. I will look to ensure that we contact you with our reply at our earliest opportunity and in line with our complaints procedures.
The quality of our Customer Service is very important to us. I would be happy to hear from you by email at lee.preece@avfc.co.uk (or tel 0121 326 1502) if you have any comments or feedback on how you feel your complaint was handled. In addition, please contact me if you have not received your reply prior to our stated deadline.
Yours sincerely
Lee Preece
Football Operations / Projects Manager
Pam Bridgewater
FO/PM Office
Aston Villa Football Club
0121-326-1535
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I blame all the people who leave early to 'beat the traffic'.
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I blame all the people that go to the game and wonder why it takes a little bit longer to get home than if they were the only person on the road.
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Dare I say it but park a bit further away?
Exercise is good for you plus imo it's a traditional part of going to the match that you have a decent walk to the ground.
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I blame all the people that go to the game and wonder why it takes a little bit longer to get home than if they were the only person on the road.
What ?
Read the thread - I suggest you may understand the problem then.
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The one bonus of a low crowd, I got straight home, no traffic anywhere!
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The one bonus of a low crowd, I got straight home, no traffic anywhere!
Quite slow when we left.
Thought it was weird approaching the ground at 7.30, there was seemingly hardly anyone there.
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Dare I say it but park a bit further away?
Exercise is good for you plus imo it's a traditional part of going to the match that you have a decent walk to the ground.
Yep, swear by this method and have never struggled to escape traffic.
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No problems tonight, even the 7 got into town in time for two beers before eleven.
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For anyone who's bothered, Villa are in constant liason with the police about this as they are very aware of the problem.
The police can 'manage the traffic' but not entirely on the club's say so - and the police have been re-organised recently and set priorities due to lower resources.
Thus, Aston Hall Road after a Villa game is not a priority.
In summary , the problem is that the police are under resourced and the flow of traffic away from the ground after matches is not a high priority for them.
Lee was frusrated but had his hands tied and the club's hands are tied.
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For anyone who's bothered, Villa are in constant liason with the police about this as they are very aware of the problem.
The police can 'manage the traffic' but not entirely on the club's say so - and the police have been re-organised recently and set priorities due to lower resources.
Thus, Aston Hall Road after a Villa game is not a priority.
In summary , the problem is that the police are under resourced and the flow of traffic away from the ground after matches is not a high priority for them.
Lee was frusrated but had his hands tied and the club's hands are tied.
all it takes is a line of cones outside the pub, and a steward from the club standing there. hardly a squadron of thousands...
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For anyone who's bothered, Villa are in constant liason with the police about this as they are very aware of the problem.
The police can 'manage the traffic' but not entirely on the club's say so - and the police have been re-organised recently and set priorities due to lower resources.
Thus, Aston Hall Road after a Villa game is not a priority.
In summary , the problem is that the police are under resourced and the flow of traffic away from the ground after matches is not a high priority for them.
Lee was frusrated but had his hands tied and the club's hands are tied.
all it takes is a line of cones outside the pub, and a steward from the club standing there. hardly a squadron of thousands...
I would imagine Aston Hall Road is a bit too far away from the ground for stewards to be used.
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For anyone who's bothered, Villa are in constant liason with the police about this as they are very aware of the problem.
The police can 'manage the traffic' but not entirely on the club's say so - and the police have been re-organised recently and set priorities due to lower resources.
Thus, Aston Hall Road after a Villa game is not a priority.
In summary , the problem is that the police are under resourced and the flow of traffic away from the ground after matches is not a high priority for them.
Lee was frusrated but had his hands tied and the club's hands are tied.
all it takes is a line of cones outside the pub, and a steward from the club standing there. hardly a squadron of thousands...
I would imagine Aston Hall Road is a bit too far away from the ground for stewards to be used.
Plus, Villa don't have the legal authority to block a road off, so rely on the police to decide whether it's of enough importance in the scheme of things.
Lee is concerned that not enough Villa fans had been 'vocal' about this and would be voting with their feet as opposed to contacting the club.
This is on the basis that the club's largest carpark is reliant on the traffic flow system that we're discussing here.
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I could tell you where to park and how to get back to the M6 in five minutes flat no matter what the crowd, but cant cause its a secret 8)
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I could tell you where to park and how to get back to the M6 in five minutes flat no matter what the crowd, but cant cause its a secret 8)
It involves parking on the Expressway, leaving your hazard lights on, putting out the warning triangle and then................... abseiling !!
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Dont get me bloody started on this. After every game now Im left sitting in a car in utter bloody chaos because theres no traffic policing whatsoever. Why isnt there any policing ? Because of the bloody cut backs ! Why are there cut backs ? Because of a bunch of irresponsible greedy scumbags who decided to operate banks and the City of bloody London like bloody casinos ! And what did politicians of any persuasion do to stop them ? Sweet FA !
So stuff the chinless wonder in charge right now who says hes a Villa fan but never comes near the place. Stuff the fat ugly Raith Rovers fan who was in charge before him. And stuff the smarmy smiling twat before him who lied about watching Newcastle and told even bigger lies to take us into a bloody war in Iraq !
And why do they all let the bankers get away with it ? Because of that cowbag back in the 80s who changed Britain forever and for the worse, her only good point being she didnt lie about being interested in football like the three jokers mentioned above.
Wasting an extra half hour of your life after the game because of the policing cuts is just one small example of all the serious crap we are going to be hit with because of the cut backs. I have a good mind to go and watch my football at Walsall while we plan the revolution, complete and utter garbage that will probabaly lead to their relegation this season but no real traffic jams after. Power to the People !!
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Tremendous rant!
The Revolution starts at Bescot.
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On a slightly related note, and sorry if this has been mentioned before, does anyone know if anything can be done about the residents around VP who block the street in front of their houses with crates, wood, etc.? Clearly illegal, but nothing ever seems to happen about it. I'd be annoyed as well if I lived near a football ground, but it's a public road and anyone has a right to park there. It seems especially common in the streets of Trinity Road.
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To be fair John, I would do the same if I was a resident. Legal or not.
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Well, bearing in mind how long the stadiums been there I could question if they didn't spot the 40,000+ all seater when they bought the house?
I just find it odd that with all the police around on match day, this flagrant breaking of the law is allowed to continue.
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I'm not sure it's really illegal to put a crate outside your house is it? As long as it's not actually blocking the road so cars can't drive down it.
There's also probably nothing to stop you moving said crate and parking there if you like, I wouldn't bet on you still having four fully inflated tyres when you get back or even the correct amount of unbroken windows, which is illegal of course but you try to prove who did it!
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That's the thing - trying to move these objects would result in a crime being committed against my property. Basically it's a thinly disguised threat of criminality.
And I'm sure there must be some law against blocking public parking spaces?
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Because I was bored I've done some research, and have found that the streets around VP are covered by a matchday resident parking scheme, so you can't park there anyway!
See Official Site (http://www.avfc.co.uk/staticFiles/ba/53/0,,10265~152506,00.pdf)
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Wow!!! So pretty much anyone who parks in the streets around VP could be liable to receive a £60 fine?!
I generally always try to park in a car park but sometimes it just isnt possible. Imagine how much income the council would generate if this was actually enforced at a number of games?! I can imagine this being quite a deterrent for a lot of ppl planning to attend and I dont think there is sufficient parking available if the streets were not utilised.
Is there a map with actual match day car parks available?
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Parking information:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ParkingInformation
Match Day Car Parks: 10
Spaces: 2755
Permit Only Car Parks: 8
Spaces: 436 (+2 car parks at VP)
...not exactly sufficient to cater for demand is it?!
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I could tell you where to park and how to get back to the M6 in five minutes flat no matter what the crowd, but cant cause its a secret 8)
Shhhhh!! ;)
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Because I was bored I've done some research, and have found that the streets around VP are covered by a matchday resident parking scheme, so you can't park there anyway!
See Official Site (http://www.avfc.co.uk/staticFiles/ba/53/0,,10265~152506,00.pdf)
Some streets do and have signs up to that effect - mainly the ones directly off Witton Lane. Where I park doesn't have such restrictions.
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Well, bearing in mind how long the stadiums been there I could question if they didn't spot the 40,000+ all seater when they bought the house?
I just find it odd that with all the police around on match day, this flagrant breaking of the law is allowed to continue.
Lots of laws are broken every matchday, mostly by supporters. At the risk of starting up an old argument a lot of inconvenience is caused to residents so the odd bit of parking spot reserving isn't all that surprising.
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I could do with doing a deal with someone who's drive is near to VP.
An ST at £4 a game for use of the drive would be fantastic.
Re. another VP tradition - they never do 'mind your car' do they !!
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I could do with doing a deal with someone who's drive is near to VP.
An ST at £4 a game for use of the drive would be fantastic.
Re. another VP tradition - they never do 'mind your car' do they !!
You'd be stuck on there for at least half an hour after the match.
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Re. another VP tradition - they never do 'mind your car' do they !!
I used to tell them kids they could mind my car but see me after the game, we always drove off fast without paying them. I justified this on the basis that the kid would finish up as another internationally famous mutli millionaire heavy rock musician who would blow most of his brain cells apart on alcohol and drugs.
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For anyone who's bothered, Villa are in constant liason with the police about this as they are very aware of the problem.
The police can 'manage the traffic' but not entirely on the club's say so - and the police have been re-organised recently and set priorities due to lower resources.
Thus, Aston Hall Road after a Villa game is not a priority.
In summary , the problem is that the police are under resourced and the flow of traffic away from the ground after matches is not a high priority for them.
Lee was frusrated but had his hands tied and the club's hands are tied.
This is more or less what the General said about this when I have quizzed him previously on this matter.
What I don't understand is that the club pay the police for matchday policing, and the police can't be arsed.
If it's all about (mis-)allocation of resources, then I personally blame the Pope and his visit to Birmingham...(wink)
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Where my old man parks we're straight out of the ground and back into birmingham in 5 minutes.
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Well, bearing in mind how long the stadiums been there I could question if they didn't spot the 40,000+ all seater when they bought the house?
I just find it odd that with all the police around on match day, this flagrant breaking of the law is allowed to continue.
Lots of laws are broken every matchday, mostly by supporters. At the risk of starting up an old argument a lot of inconvenience is caused to residents so the odd bit of parking spot reserving isn't all that surprising.
Maybe, but it's just a bit of a pet peev of mine.
The other side to it is that when you but/rent a house around the ground, I'm sure the price reflects being next to a football stadium and the inconvenience that will cause. So they're getting cheaper rent/mortgage because of it, yet still refuse to let people park outside their houses, which they have a right to do.
I very much doubt that anything will ever happen about it, but it's nice to have a moan!
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Why don't West Midlands Police use some of their hundreds of
Community Support Officers on match days to direct traffic ?
Oh yes- they don't have the power to stop a moving vehicle
Surely Villa have as many if not more 'official carparks' as other
clubs which should make it easier for supporters and local residents
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ive not read all of this thread because all people do on this site is moan
what do u realistically expect if 30,000 to 42,000 people all attend the same event and all leave at the same time? do u not think that u might get caught in a little bit of traffic?
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ive not read all of this thread because all people do on this site is moan
what do u realistically expect if 30,000 to 42,000 people all attend the same event and all leave at the same time? do u not think that u might get caught in a little bit of traffic?
How do you know that people don't think that if you haven't read the thread?
I'll fill you in. Nobody is suggesting that there won't be a bit of traffic after a match with 30 odd thousand people present, far from it.
They are suggesting that one thing has been changed recently which has made the situation considerably worse.
It makes sense for a club which regularly has 7,000 empty seats to be made aware of any factor which may or may not be contributing to that problem.
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ive not read all of this thread because all people do on this site is moan
what do u realistically expect if 30,000 to 42,000 people all attend the same event and all leave at the same time? do u not think that u might get caught in a little bit of traffic?
You don't read it but you know everything that's on here. Well done.
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gav-avfc, please refrain from moaning about people moaning. Your doing my head right in
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why would i need to read every post when the majority of them are all moaning that theres too much traffic
poor u having to sit in a bit of traffic after a game
i dont come on here a lot because all i see on every discussion is moaning
i also think its pretty sad that you have to sit in traffic for 30 mins or whatever after a game and soon as u come home
o yes i must go on the net and mention the state of the traffic outside a premier league ground today and how long it took me to get home
some of u probabily need to get out more often
ill be deleting my account cause bored of u all moaning and nit picking at tin little things
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ill be deleting my account cause bored of u all moaning and nit picking at tin little things
Oh, we'll really miss you.
Are you aware that on first glance your (should that be 'ur'?) user name looks like 'gay-avfc'?
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hehe dave thats really funny mate
+10 points to u
have a good time telling ur internet friends that u called somebody gay hehe well done
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hehe dave thats really funny mate
+10 points to u
have a good time telling ur internet friends that u called somebody gay hehe well done
You still here?
Text speak is very gay by the way.
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some of u probabily need to get out more often
What, and make the traffic worse?
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hehe dave thats really funny mate
+10 points to u
have a good time telling ur internet friends that u called somebody gay hehe well done
You still here?
Text speak is very gay by the way.
Well bloody done Dave.
At last we have a forum member admitting he's gay and you go and scare him away!
Tsk.
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I cum on this sight to read about Villa and not tha gaze.
Get a life and wake up and smell the coffee and man up.
Simple as . End of.
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why would i need to read every post when the majority of them are all moaning that theres too much traffic
poor u having to sit in a bit of traffic after a game
i dont come on here a lot because all i see on every discussion is moaning
i also think its pretty sad that you have to sit in traffic for 30 mins or whatever after a game and soon as u come home
o yes i must go on the net and mention the state of the traffic outside a premier league ground today and how long it took me to get home
some of u probabily need to get out more often
ill be deleting my account cause bored of u all moaning and nit picking at tin little things
How dare you. I am at an age now where I am entitled to moan. More than that....I bloody enjoy it !
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Living on the south coast, I usually travel to VP by train, but on one of the rare occasions I went by car was an evening cup game against QPR in 2004. A work mate who supported QPR fancied going and preferred to drive, so we parked in the leisure centre. It took over two hours to get out of the car park, and the reason given was that the usual policing of traffic had been reduced because it was a low category game.
Also on that night, and this may be part of the cause or a related symptom of the reduced policing, a steward was killed when fights broke out: Death of a Steward ... what 'really' happened (http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/mercury/tm_headline=death-of-a-steward-what-really-happened&method=full&objectid=14994517&siteid=50002-name_page.html).
One thing is for sure: if the traffic close to VP is not policed and the temporary one way systems enforced, there will be chaos after the game.
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Yes this needs sorting whats the point in allowing other cars even seen lorries into towards the ground when hundreds are trying to get away. Everyone loses. The police are doing nothing in fact I don't see em now. This ain't rocket science.