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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 17, 2010, 01:36:51 AM
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When MON rarely gave the fonz a run out and Heskey was at an all time low. Everyone was wondering and screaming out to give the Fonz a chance. Now Mcdonald has been in charge, why has he not been playing him ????
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I'd guess it's not in K-Mac interest to develop players as he is only temporary manager.
As an aside, I have a friend who scouted for MON (don't laugh) and as part of this role he had to go to the training ground every few months with other (peripheral) scouts.
Anyhoo, on the walls are shed loads of training statistic for all the players at all levels - presumably to name/shame/measure/motivate etc.
Anyway he said that the Fonz was always down near the bottom (regardless who his peers were), whereas Big Bum Barry was always top of the class (yes it was a while ago).
So, I suppose that's a long-winded way of saying he might be a bad trainer.
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Word was (from Kevin Mac himself) that the Fonz hasn't been up to standard in training since pre season and looks low on confidence.
The obvious answer to that is he might have a bit more confidence if he was closer to the first team.
As always though, it should be on merit. Kevin Mac has been better placed than most to see the progress (or lack of) from the Fonz over the years. Maybe he's seen something he's not happy with. Or maybe he just doesn't rate him. Happens.
According to Mysterious Ways it was MON who rated the Fonz more than the coaching staff did anyroad. They seem to have more faith in Andreas Weimann, think he's the better long-term bet.
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What are scoring records for the Fonz and Weimann over the past few years?
[I could check myself but my battery is about to go flat...]
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Mac obviously fancies Bannan. And after his superb hat trick against Man utd last night. (even though one was a penalty given against the fonz) He looks much more likely to succeed Delfonso. Or as Kevincage says:"maybe he just don`t rate him" ...........
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This has actually annoyed me, Delboy should be kicking on this season, not knocked and put back in the reserves.
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What's also worrying is Km has said he has had a chat with GH about the players and where they are all at, nothing worse than having a bad impression of someone before you meet them.
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It is an intriguing one. I was expectng the Fonz to be a real contender this season. But I saw him play a few times over the summer and I was pretty disappointed. He's missed some amazingly easy chances, his touch hasn't looked as good as I thought it was, and yes, definitely low on confidence. I remember a K-Mac quote where he talked about how well Clark, Albrighton and Bannan had done, and Fonz 'up to a point'.
So I suspect he may not rate him, or perhaps that in Luke Moore style he's been the constantly feted one, whereas team mates have had consistently better attitudes? Or maybe he's just a typical jock racist?
(irony very much intended)
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KMac has reverted to one up front so that automatically makes it harder for Fonz to feature, it's a hard role for a young player.
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Wasn't the MON/NRC bust up as a result of Nigel giving the Fonz a bollocking for lack of effort in training? Maybe his attitude is not right?
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Wasn't the MON/NRC bust up as a result of Nigel giving the Fonz a bollocking for lack of effort in training? Maybe his attitude is not right?
And yet I read an article from one of the England under 21 trainers this year praising the Fonz's attitude.
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he's not good enough thats why
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Wasn't the MON/NRC bust up as a result of Nigel giving the Fonz a bollocking for lack of effort in training? Maybe his attitude is not right?
That was certainly one of the stories doing the rounds at the time. Might also be that the coaching staff resented MON having his favourites, one of them apparently being Fonz. Perhaps there's a little bit of "your sugar daddy isn't here any more and you're going to have to earn it now".
Shame because he looks a very good prospect nd hopefully he won't go the way of the Moores.
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he's not good enough thats why
We don't really know for sure though do we?
He might not be good enough at the moment but he still has a chance to improve and even at the level he's at now is a better player to be getting 5 minutes at the end of the game than Heskey is.
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I thought it was strange with Carew injured only Heskey was the only forward on the bench on monday. The cameo's he played in the past have always been pretty good,he's still only 19 so theres plenty of time. If he is a lazy sod in training,maybe a new manager will force him to pull his finger out.
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I have to say the from what little I've seen of him, I'm not that convinced by Delfouneso. I'd still have him in the squad ahead of Heskey though.
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I don't think we've seen anything like enough of him to say he'll make it or he won't make it, but I do think that, from what we have seen, he has shown more than enough to suggest that he deserves a chance.
He just hasn't had that chance yet.
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Seeing how our options are pretty limited,i thought he'd have a run out by now. I suppose he didnt play much pre season with the team due to the U19s? Maybe he's a little behind.
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I would rather Houllier give him a shot in the team for the rest of the season than sign Owen on some sort of loan deal.
Looks like this season is going to be a bit of write off...might as well see which of our youngsters can cut the mustard.
I would be extremely disappointed if Fonz didnt make the grade at Villa though.
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Based on the England U19/U21 games I've seen over the summer, the Fonz seems to be lacking a bit of confidence and his form has been poor. We have to remember he's still very young and shouldn't be loading him with such high expectations so soon.
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I can't believe he's never had a spell out on loan. I really think we miss a trick with not sending some of our promising youngsters out on short loan stints.
I know there is an argument that training day in day out with premiership players does bring them on, but there is no substitute for games and I think even more so for strikers. They need to be playing and getting their sharpness and confidence in front of goal. Look at James Vaughan of Everton. Just gone to Palace scored a hat trick and will no doubt continue to score goals and return to Everton a more confident player. He will also be more hungry for game time having got used to playing 90 minutes on a regular basis.
With our current formation of one main striker and Young behind, we can get by until January with Carew, Gabby and Heskey.
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Maybe he's just not good enough.
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Let's just hope the Fonz doesn't develop an attitude problem, a la Luke and Stefan Moore.
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For 'The Fonz', see 'The Moore Brothers'
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he's not good enough thats why
I think he will be, I rate him
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For 'The Fonz', see 'The Moore Brothers'
Maybe they could have a dance off in a 50s diner?
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For 'The Fonz', see 'The Moore Brothers'
Totally different players for me. Fonz works his arse off when he gets a game unlike the Moores. The Fonz was impressive last year and scored some decent goals. Ridiculous to write him off like this when he has hardly started any games.
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macdonald said it was a confidence thing with delfouneso...
weimann has scored in pre season and delfouneso hadnt...
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I would rather Houllier give him a shot in the team for the rest of the season than sign Owen on some sort of loan deal.
Looks like this season is going to be a bit of write off...might as well see which of our youngsters can cut the mustard.
I would be extremely disappointed if Fonz didnt make the grade at Villa though.
I agree mate,i dont mind us finishing mid table if we can blood players like Fonz,Clarke,Bannan,Lichaj,Wiemann,Delph(when fit) give them 15-20 games to help them towards next season and beyond.
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Sorry, I have a disturbing vision of a ginger-haired leather-clad Italian-American.
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I can't believe he's never had a spell out on loan. I really think we miss a trick with not sending some of our promising youngsters out on short loan stints.
Agreed.
Look at Barry Bannan, spent some time out on loan at Blackpool last season, and he is looking hungry, confident and judging by last night perfectly capable as well.
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i thought it was strange Delfouneso never got a loan, too.
Maybe MON thought were were never sufficiently strong up front to let him go out on loan.
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For 'The Fonz', see 'The Moore Brothers'
I tend to agree - they all showed so much promise and with a swagger - unfortunately the swagger got in the way of their development. Such a shame.
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Sorry, I have a disturbing vision of a ginger-haired leather-clad Italian-American.
Very strange indeed Dave
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Sorry, I have a disturbing vision of a ginger-haired leather-clad Italian-American.
... in a Bus Shelter
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he's not good enough thats why
I think he will be, I rate him
i wish i could say the same,
but you know when you see someone for a short time and jump to an instant conclusion about them, well thats what i've done,
based on nothing more than from what i've seen so far he's not going to be good enough,
but like i say plenty of people who have seen him more than me do rate him, so hope i'm wrong
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To be honest, Id love to see some decent money splashed on a decent striker! Its the area wev'e been lacking in for years
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I wonder why he hasn't given Osborne and Salifou a game. He seems to have considered all Mons other caste offs still at the club.
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Sorry, I have a disturbing vision of a ginger-haired leather-clad Italian-American.
Exactly what i was thinking when i first saw the thread title. Why not join in with the 70's American sitcom theme though Dave, and get dressed up in a skin tight red jump-suit with a silver flash on the front.
Nanooo Nanooo
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Sorry, I have a disturbing vision of a ginger-haired leather-clad Italian-American.
Strange. When i started this thread did not see the alternative "meaning" to the title. Maybe its a more interersting thread ha .........
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i thought it was strange Delfouneso never got a loan, too.
Maybe MON thought were were never sufficiently strong up front to let him go out on loan.
I remember a story about Warnock enquiring about loaning him when he was Palace manager, but was told in no uncertain terms that he wasn't available. I think that came from Warnock himself.
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A friend of mine teaches at a remedial school which the Fonz allegedly attended. May not be down to bad attitude, more having the natural ability but unable to develop fully due to constraints mentally?
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Against Brighton he looked as if he could be a really good player.
Since then, he always seems to be played wide, not his position.Personally i think he's going to be a really good player, needs to develop physically though.
I have been told his dad is a pain in the arse, and was constantly moaning at the coaches(including KMac?)
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Maybe Kevin MacDonald is trying to prove something to Nathan. But again with Carew and Heskey as role model for Nathan it is not ideal.
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Imagine your a striker and husky gets played instead of you..... I'd be suicidal
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Maybe he's not good enough but we won't really know till he gets more chance, we know heskey is not good enough and has had way too many chances so I'd far rather see fonz coming on as a sub than heskey!
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Maybe he's a little behind.
Unlike Gareth Barry, then?
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I've honestly never seen anything in Delfounuso to make me think he looks even remotely ready, i'm now wondering if he'll ever be ready.
KMac had no problem giving Albrighton and Clark a chance. With Gabby being injured, Fonz's absence makes me think there's more Luke Moore style wishful thinking going on here than actually having a player ready to contribute.
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For me I think he looks a promising player. Last season it seemed that when ever he got the chance he was good and he frequently scored. To me that was what matters.
I don't know what it is; maybe he is another Luke Moore (Who I swore blind was going to be our 20 goal a season man) or maybe it is actually what Kev says with the lad lacking confidence after a poor pre-season and run of form. I just hope he can re-gain that confidence.
Similarly, I look to Weimann the same way. Both of them have the makings of a good striker with the potential to score loads of goals. How long is Weimann out for?
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I've honestly never seen anything in Delfounuso to make me think he looks even remotely ready, i'm now wondering if he'll ever be ready.
KMac had no problem giving Albrighton and Clark a chance. With Gabby being injured, Fonz's absence makes me think there's more Luke Moore style wishful thinking going on here than actually having a player ready to contribute.
I think you are right, the amount of false dawns we have had about so called world beaters emerging would make you think that some people might actually get a bit more realistic about the chances of converting from great at reserve and accadamy to decent at PL Level.
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I've honestly never seen anything in Delfounuso to make me think he looks even remotely ready, i'm now wondering if he'll ever be ready.
KMac had no problem giving Albrighton and Clark a chance. With Gabby being injured, Fonz's absence makes me think there's more Luke Moore style wishful thinking going on here than actually having a player ready to contribute.
I think you are right, the amount of false dawns we have had about so called world beaters emerging would make you think that some people might actually get a bit more realistic about the chances of converting from great at reserve and accadamy to decent at PL Level.
Goal scoring at the highest levels is the hardest thing to do which is why the ones that do command the largest transfer fees. With all the goals he has scored for the first team he has shown a natural instinct for scoring and his goals to chances ratio must be high. He is still young as well. And his first team appearances have been limited to cup and late substitutions.
Saying all if the above we have seen players not evolve from their youthful promise. Not just ours. And we really need him to go out on loan to try to develop to his possible potential.
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He is not particularly quick, not that strong not great in the air and judgeing by his performances at England under 21 not a clinical finisher, he might develop into a top player but having watched Shaw Little Platt Cowans and many others at a very early age i dont see what all the fuss is about
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macdonald said it was a confidence thing with delfouneso...
weimann has scored in pre season and delfouneso hadnt...
The Fonz wasn't here for much of pre season though was he, he was playing in that under 19 tournament for England I think.
That goal at Pompey hinted at his potential, very disappointed he hasn't been at least on the bench this season.
I expect him to get a fair chance under Houllier.
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yes, he was...
and during the tournament he was completely wasted by typical english clogger hoofball tactics and the amazing abililty of frank nouble to replicate emile heskeys shitness to the yocto..
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In fairness he has scored a couple in the FA cup and also the europa league which is no mean feat for a 19 year old.
Whether he can score consistantly in the prem is open to question but he needs to be given a run of games at some point to sink or swim.
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Because Fonz is his illegitimate son and he is not showing favouritism :D