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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: DaveD on September 13, 2010, 10:21:09 PM
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...than Stylian Petrov ?
Well have we ? 'Cos even considering our darkest days - and let's be honest, we're nowhere near that - I'm really struggling here to think of a more ineffective leader.
Thoughts ?
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He really is a dire captain. Hopefully that changes and he's brought down to earth.
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Gareth Barry.
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I just hope Gerrard knows how to use subs and is not scared of dropping players.
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He's shite. Fuck him off back to Scotland the lump of crap.
Warnock can go with him too. And Dunne if he doesn't lose a stone.
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Gareth Barry.
Seriously ?
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I can't think of one.
He's slow, unfit, ineffective going forward and defensively.
He doesn't lead by example, or put a rocket up the players arseholes when things are going badly.
I'm not only struggling to understand why he's captain, i don't get why he's in the team. At least a youngster with a bit of energy would other us SOMETHING. Petrov doesn't
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Don't worry, players that captain Villa in a League Cup final very rarely last much more than a season or two after Wembley.
Petrov was MON's signing. He'll be moved on soon enough.
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He's anonymous as captain and increasingly anonymous as a player. A more dynamic captain would surely try and counter our tendancy to go to sleep after half-time, or certain players' ability to "go missing".
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Gareth Barry.
Seriously ?
Yes. He was a decent player and set a reasonable example but he was about as inspiring as tapioca pudding. Hell, most of us on here wanted Petrov to get the captaincy as he at least showed passion.
I can't think who we could get in as captain instead of Petrov. Dunne makes me look fit and skinny, Collins and Cuellar aren't guaranteed a place. Who does that leave Luke Young or Reo Coker? If Reo could play like tonight more often he could have Stan's shirt and armband but he can't.
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I can't think of one.
He's slow, unfit, ineffective going forward and defensively.
He doesn't lead by example, or put a rocket up the players arseholes when things are going badly.
I'm not only struggling to understand why he's captain, i don't get why he's in the team. At least a youngster with a bit of energy would other us SOMETHING. Petrov doesn't
U've summed everything up, with what i was thinking
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Have we ever had another player like him who is drenched in sweat after 20 minutes?
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Gareth Barry.
Seriously ?
Yes. He was a decent player and set a reasonable example but he was about as inspiring as tapioca pudding. Hell, most of us on here wanted Petrov to get the captaincy as he at least showed passion.
I can't think who we could get in as captain instead of Petrov. Dunne makes me look fit and skinny, Collins and Cuellar aren't guaranteed a place. Who does that leave Luke Young or Reo Coker? If Reo could play like tonight more often he could have Stan's shirt and armband but he can't.
At least Barry got stuck in and took games by the scruff of the neck.
I've never seen Stan have more than two touches in any ten minute period. The game passes him by. Barry might be as slow, but at least he can read the game - one decent tackle and one half-decent pass per game, and Stan's a holding midfielder ? My ass...
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Petrov would struggle to get into Wigan/Bolton/ Blackburn sides and has been the biggest confidence trickster at VP for a very long time.
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I remember having doubts about Alan Deakin, although I was but a callow youth.
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I thought James Collins looked captain material tonight. Very vocal etc.
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What about Ashley Young? At least he gets pissed off on the pitch. Ireland could be the "dark horse". Maybe Michael Owen in January?
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He has been mostly shit since he came to the Villa. But he seems to have his fan club. Fuck knows why. He would be one for the get rid list asap.
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I thought James Collins looked captain material tonight. Very vocal etc.
He was shite as well.
Good player and not morbidly obese so I can forgive him.
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Can't wait to read Petrov's usual bollocks after we are defeated by an atrocious team. "We must bound back". Aye, fuck off.
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Oh well here goes........i like Petrov, he's the modern day equivalent of Des Bremner.......never going to be the most skillful or liked, but work rate, making it difficult for the opposing midfield in harrassing and chasing etc, cannot be faulted. Smashing bloke to have around the club and a nice guy off the pitch also. The guy that made him captain doesnt work for us now so you can hardly blame Petrov he is still in that position. If GH brings in new blood or has different plans for midfield i would not be adverse to them but get off Petrov's back for what he is putting in
Takes cover (whispering this is a bloody forum and i'm entitled to my opinion)
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Never thought i'd hear the words Petrov and Des Bremner in the same sentence. Unless it included the words, not fit to lace the boots of.
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Good player.
He was unlucky tonight that the ref bought that dive from Pennant.
I am worried that his impact in the middle of the park is starting to diminish though.
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Oh well here goes........i like Petrov, he's the modern day equivalent of Des Bremner.......never going to be the most skillful or liked, but work rate, making it difficult for the opposing midfield in harrassing and chasing etc, cannot be faulted. Smashing bloke to have around the club and a nice guy off the pitch also. The guy that made him captain doesnt work for us now so you can hardly blame Petrov he is still in that position. If GH brings in new blood or has different plans for midfield i would not be adverse to them but get off Petrov's back for what he is putting in
Takes cover (whispering this is a bloody forum and i'm entitled to my opinion)
I think he does work as hard as he can Daz, that's not my problem with him, he's just so bleedin' slow he never gets there. It's not a lack of workrate I object to, it's a lack of success...very unlike Des Bremner in that regard.
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I think the criticism of Petrov is over the top...he showed as much desire as anyone out there.
Besides we dont know for sure what kind of character he is in the dressing room.
The importance of who wears an armband is overstated. If youre a leader, youre a leader...doesnt matter if you have an armband on.
There are many many more problems which need addressing...firstly that Stoke City have a bench that I am green with envy of!
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The manager situation is unsettling, after voicing their opinions on Gerard, how can Friedal and Warnock focus on playing. Our problems at the moment run deeper than that of who is captain.
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Friedal as captain? keepers as captain was a big thing some years back
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The captain is supposed to show more desire than the rest of the time. He is supposed to show those players around him that he is hungry for it. Petrov looks neither of these. He is not a charismatic figure. He isn't a captain you'd fight to the death for.
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Besides we dont know for sure what kind of character he is in the dressing room.
The importance of who wears an armband is overstated. If youre a leader, youre a leader...doesnt matter if you have an armband on.
Character and leadership skills are important, but sadly irrelevant if you're not up to the standard of the team.
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Any chance of Petrov RETIRING from the premiership.......he'd be better off employed handing out communion for the POPE on sunday.
What a hopeless performance at leadership on a football pitch...no desire,no heart,no fight for the cause...bet he has no problem collecting the dosh..i say he's first up for the chicken's neck every week.
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I thought James Collins looked captain material tonight. Very vocal etc.
He was shite as well.
James Collins was superb tonight. The rest of the defence going missing on two occasions doesn't change that.
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I thought James Collins looked captain material tonight. Very vocal etc.
He was shite as well.
James Collins was superb tonight. The rest of the defence going missing on two occasions doesn't change that.
I was going to say the same - we may have had a few things to sort out tonight but Collins was not one of them he threw his body on the line to block everything that came near him again and again , like he has done since he joined
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I thought James Collins was one of the best premier league buys last year and I reckon he would make a great captain.
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Been saying for seasons he's the weak link. Everybody slated him for his first couple of seasons, then he had half a good season and he's been living off that ever since.
He's shit, though, as someone on here once told me, I obviously know nothing about football if I can't see what Petrov does. Well, it seems there's a lot of people on here who seems to know nothing about football.
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S.Petrov is not up to the job of Captain of Aston Villa. He brings something to the squad but I feel that a centre-back of Dunne, Cuellar or Collins would be a better choice.
as for uninspiring I would look no further than Stuart Gray circa:1989-1992
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he shouldnt be in the team, let alone captain...
i have said it for years, that he lacks the mobility, pace and tenacity to be a holding player, and he always slows down the play causing us to lose momentum...
its not like he protects the back four, and he doesnt offer anything in an attacking sense, so for me, he is a liability and a waste of a shirt...
he would be a decent enough player in spain or italy where the overall game is slower, but his abilities are not suited to english football...
another expensive martin o'neill scottish football love in failure...
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Been saying for seasons he's the weak link. Everybody slated him for his first couple of seasons, then he had half a good season and he's been living off that ever since.
He's shit, though, as someone on here once told me, I obviously know nothing about football if I can't see what Petrov does. Well, it seems there's a lot of people on here who seems to know nothing about football.
You don't know nothing about football, far from it, but I do think you're wrong about Petrov.
Look at the players who get slated by fans across the country yet the best managers keep picking them: Lucas, Barry at City, Mikel, Song and Denilson at Arsenal - even Fletcher before he became the most sung unsung hero of the year, and now Carrick gets the treatment (especially now Berbatov has decided to be good). What do these players have in common when they're being criticised? "I don't know what they bring to the team", fans say. Well, managers know what they do, so I'll have a stab at it.
These players are all very similar. They're deep-lying, steady sort of passers for the most part but with a good range, good at winning free-kicks. They're not smothery-ball-winners like an NRC or even a Makelele. They're not lung-busting box-to-box players like Vieira or Ian Taylor. What they do is act like a kind of libero sweeper, but in the midfield. So they read the game and make interceptions, play the first pass and then, with the ball, they make sure they stay in space in the centre of the midfield and keep things ticking over. This is not an easy job, and it never looks spectacular, especially as they need movement ahead of them to have people to pass to there and, when there isn't (as is often the case with Villa), they end up having to pass it sideways again. But the point is they keep possession, keep the ball on the move, keep the opposition away and try to open up new angles.
It's a bit specialised, but it's very important in modern football. The problem is when they're treated as bona fide holding players and get asked to do too much. This happened to Stan against Newcastle a lot, and obviously for the whole time during MON's tenure. However, when they're played alongside one or two players with a bit more energy and stamina their role becomes a bit more clear and therefore more useful to the team. It's no coincidence that since Nige has been playing better Stan's looked a bit more back to his old self.
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I think the criticism of Petrov is over the top...he showed as much desire as anyone out there.
Besides we dont know for sure what kind of character he is in the dressing room.
The importance of who wears an armband is overstated. If youre a leader, youre a leader...doesnt matter if you have an armband on.
There are many many more problems which need addressing...firstly that Stoke City have a bench that I am green with envy of!
Being captain is an honour and you have to really be loud authorative and its the player the "kids" look upto, if he's the role model then god help us, rarely knocks the ball foreward, he's sluggish and doesnt fire the team up. Negative comments in the press and over the web. I agree with Irish villain in getting Friedel as captain - or Reo-Coker.
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I said last night he would come out with some absolute tosh about us having to do this and that, and yet we never do it at all.
Today our inspiring, charismatic captain says "we need to be clinical", well no fucking shit Einstein.
Houllier needs to dump this chump.
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Whenever I watch Petrov, the bloke's always really putting himself about, always at the centre of everything, always looks fired up. Yes, we need to address a replacement for him long term (over the course of the next season or two) but we've had lots more uninspiring captains than Petrov. I can't think of many names - which just about says it all. I've forgotten them.
You don't have to be a John Terry sort (all stupid hair, two footed tackles, fist-pumping gestures) to make a good captain.
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He hardly inspires the people around him though. That is crucial. He simply isn't worthy of the armband.
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Been saying for seasons he's the weak link. Everybody slated him for his first couple of seasons, then he had half a good season and he's been living off that ever since.
He's shit, though, as someone on here once told me, I obviously know nothing about football if I can't see what Petrov does. Well, it seems there's a lot of people on here who seems to know nothing about football.
You don't know nothing about football, far from it, but I do think you're wrong about Petrov.
Look at the players who get slated by fans across the country yet the best managers keep picking them: Lucas, Barry at City, Mikel, Song and Denilson at Arsenal - even Fletcher before he became the most sung unsung hero of the year, and now Carrick gets the treatment (especially now Berbatov has decided to be good). What do these players have in common when they're being criticised? "I don't know what they bring to the team", fans say. Well, managers know what they do, so I'll have a stab at it.
These players are all very similar. They're deep-lying, steady sort of passers for the most part but with a good range, good at winning free-kicks. They're not smothery-ball-winners like an NRC or even a Makelele. They're not lung-busting box-to-box players like Vieira or Ian Taylor. What they do is act like a kind of libero sweeper, but in the midfield. So they read the game and make interceptions, play the first pass and then, with the ball, they make sure they stay in space in the centre of the midfield and keep things ticking over. This is not an easy job, and it never looks spectacular, especially as they need movement ahead of them to have people to pass to there and, when there isn't (as is often the case with Villa), they end up having to pass it sideways again. But the point is they keep possession, keep the ball on the move, keep the opposition away and try to open up new angles.
It's a bit specialised, but it's very important in modern football. The problem is when they're treated as bona fide holding players and get asked to do too much. This happened to Stan against Newcastle a lot, and obviously for the whole time during MON's tenure. However, when they're played alongside one or two players with a bit more energy and stamina their role becomes a bit more clear and therefore more useful to the team. It's no coincidence that since Nige has been playing better Stan's looked a bit more back to his old self.
Whenever I watch Petrov, the bloke's always really putting himself about, always at the centre of everything, always looks fired up. Yes, we need to address a replacement for him long term (over the course of the next season or two) but we've had lots more uninspiring captains than Petrov. I can't think of many names - which just about says it all. I've forgotten them.
You don't have to be a John Terry sort (all stupid hair, two footed tackles, fist-pumping gestures) to make a good captain.
Agree wholeheatedly with both of these posts.
If we played a 3 in midfield with Reo doing the tackling, Ireland doing the attacking and Stan playing his natural game as a deep lying midfielder. That midfield would have a superb balance for me and Stan would be less knackered and would be able to play a more clearly defined role.
As for stripping him off the captaincy as I've said before we have no outstanding replacement. We have two centre halves who aren't guaranteed a place and a third who is a good leader and seems to be guaranteed a place but really shouldn't be on form. Outside of that we have to look at the solid pros like Stan, Luke Young and Coker.
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The role of captain's overrated in football. Yeah, sure, you get the odd player who steps up to the plate and galvanises the team (Beckenbauer, Platini etc) but you know who Petrov's opposing captain was last night? Ryan Shawcross. I'm sorry, but I don't think Stoke came back in the second half because Shawcross was such an inspiration to the team (I'm aware of the Pulis factor, but the point remains). Increasingly the captaincy is given to players who are making noises about moving, or who have been at the club for a number of years rather than because of their rallying cries. Quite frankly it's redundant these days.
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Agree with the above as well.
What kind of example has Lee Cattermole set his Sunderland team mates getting sent of twice this season already?
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3 times in 5 games that oik has seen a red card.
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And just to add something else to support my point, what happens when the first-choice captain is missing? Fabregas was away for huge chunks of last season but I don't recall Arsenal forgetting how to play their natural game.
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He hardly inspires the people around him though. That is crucial. He simply isn't worthy of the armband.
Okay, but how do you quantify that? How do you judge whether he inspires people around him? Our better players last night were the ones alongside Petrov in midfield... Reo Coker's playing well, alongside Petrov. Petrov was the one chasing down Pennant in the final minute (yeah, okay, he gave the foul away, though that was harsh), so you've got your captain leading by example in the final seconds...
I don't know... as I said, we need someone to replace him, possibly even for next season, but judging whether he inspires team-mates... I don't know where the evidence is to say he doesn't. It certainly can't be stated as fact.
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I don't think Petrov is a bad captain at all. The problem being that by making him captain last season MON made him undroppable and as a staement of intent it was that our midfield was Petrov +1 in the middle. Milner to a degree hid a lot of the problems, but this season they are glaring, and that is Petrov isn't good enough consistently for 90 minutes to be in the team, never mind captain.
In saying that though, the problem of making him captain and not buying anyone to push him for his place, is that there is no-one to drop him for. You could not envisage a side withouit Ash and Petrov at the moment. One for the wrong reasons.
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Collins for me, I didn't realise Petrov was playing till he got tripped.
he's not good enough & I think we really need to invest in the midfield come Jan
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I think we should only have Vikings as Captain. ie Laursen, Mellberg
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Football is a funny ol' game isn't it.
Petrov for me is a consistent 7 out of ten player. Disciplined, always puts in a good shift and appears to do a fair amount of organising during the game. So in my humble opinion, a pretty ideal captain, particularly when there are few other candidates who are dead certs to play every week.
It's hard for him to stand out as 90% of his work is in the area of the pitch that never appears on the highlights on TV and rarely draws attention, however it is the base from which our team is built. The opposite of a "highlights player" I suppose.
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Football is a funny ol' game isn't it.
Petrov for me is a consistent 7 out of ten player. Disciplined, always puts in a good shift and appears to do a fair amount of organising during the game. So in my humble opinion, a pretty ideal captain, particularly when there are few other candidates who are dead certs to play every week.
It's hard for him to stand out as 90% of his work is in the area of the pitch that never appears on the highlights on TV and rarely draws attention, however it is the base from which our team is built. The opposite of a "highlights player" I suppose.
This is pretty much exactly how I feel about it.
Also, the issue of captaincy is really all about the dynamic of the particular group, and I'm not sure how it is possible for a supporter in the stands to judge how vocal, or inspiring to his team mates he is.
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Collins for me, I didn't realise Petrov was playing till he got tripped.
You must be joking? Collins shouldn't even be in the team right now let alone Captain, along with Warmcock he had a shocker at Stoke. If Cuellar doesn't start on Saturday there's no justice.
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Collins was our best player by an absolute mile last night.
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Collins was our best player by an absolute mile last night.
According to Rory Delap maybe. Hooof
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The opposite of a "highlights player" I suppose.
Maybe that's why his hair looked blonder than normal, help him stand out a bit. On a similarly coiffured theme, during the commentary of the United-Rangers game tonight Mark Lawrenson said: ''Oh, has Ji Sung Park got new highlights? Looks like he's had his roots done''. An awkward pause followed before the commentator resumed with describing the action.
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Petrov sums up our team. A grafter who puts himself about, tidy enough passing but no real penetration, zero goal scoring threat, ulltimately without the vision and calmness in possession to be a proper continuity player.
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Petrov sums up our team. A grafter who puts himself about, tidy enough passing but no real penetration, zero goal scoring threat, ulltimately without the vision and calmness in possession to be a proper continuity player.
That's the point though. His position does not - generally - permit him to get into goal scoring positions. if he was popping up in the box every other attack we'd be left horrifically exposed in the midfield. For the same reason, his passes lack penetration because they're not played in the final third of the pitch. For every Xavi and Iniesta there needs to be a Busquetes. A Song for every Fabregas...
Whilst it doesn't grab headlines, the role demands discipline. Certainly its been said enough times that Gerrard is incapable of playing the role as he cannot hold his position.
Having defended the guy, I would be looking to buy another player of his ilk as he needs support and is not getting any younger. Toulalan or Flamini would be my suggestions.
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Don't get me wrong I'm not anti Petrov. I just feel that in buying 2 box to box midefielders and trying to turn them into play spoilers MON did half a job. As you say he's wasted where he is as he's too deep to play like he has for most of his career, but then he hasn't got the legs to do the enforcer role properly.
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I don't think Petrov is a spoiler at all, that's NRC's job. Petrov is our most important player in possession, because he's the only player we have with a real brain, knows where to stand and what to do when in quite subtle ways and, like Dante says, that's hardly highlights reel stuff.
On Collins, quickly, I think it's ridiculous to say he hoofs. He's actually one of the most accurate long-passers of a ball playing at centre back in the league. A hoof isn't aimed anywhere but 'generally towards the goal' - Collins sprays 70 yarders into feet.
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I think we should only have Vikings as Captain. ie Laursen, Mellberg
Liked Mellberg as a player, but he was a pretty poor captain.
Very little communication and organisation.
He voluntarily gave it up in 2006 so that tells you all you need to know.
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What, NRC who hasn't had a sniff of a regular game in the last year? In his absence petrov has been the closest thing we've had to a defensive mf, and his role has certainly been too restrictive to give him any meaningful role in attack. He's become mainly an irritant for opposition teams. Can tackle a bit, hold players off and has tidy enough feet to get the ball out of a scrum. Not sure I agree he's that nuanced or positionally switched on though.
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I think not having a manager has been a bigger problem than who wears an armband.
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houllier isnt stupid, petrov wont last with houllier
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Collins was totally up for the stoke game as he is in every game. He never switchs off and leads by example. Petrov seems to have a "fatherly" connection with the younger players. But Collins is the out and out "leader" and captain ...........
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A hoof isn't aimed anywhere but 'generally towards the goal' - Collins sprays 70 yarders into feet.
I agree - the problem is who's feet?
Don't feel we have a stand out Captain and I hope GH agrees, this DF Midfeilder he likes to play with will be his first buy and made Captain (should be anyway).
There is more focus on Petrov as we have had no manager, that will change next week and it will kind of become irrelevant again.
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I don't think Petrov is a spoiler at all, that's NRC's job. Petrov is our most important player in possession, because he's the only player we have with a real brain, knows where to stand and what to do when in quite subtle ways and, like Dante says, that's hardly highlights reel stuff.
On Collins, quickly, I think it's ridiculous to say he hoofs. He's actually one of the most accurate long-passers of a ball playing at centre back in the league. A hoof isn't aimed anywhere but 'generally towards the goal' - Collins sprays 70 yarders into feet.
I completely agree about Collins, he can pass a brilliant ball , so why he goes to hoofing sometimes ...
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He's the welsh David Beckham.
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Collins was totally up for the stoke game as he is in every game. He never switchs off and leads by example. Petrov seems to have a "fatherly" connection with the younger players. But Collins is the out and out "leader" and captain ...........
I strongly disagree
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Collins was totally up for the stoke game as he is in every game. He never switchs off and leads by example. Petrov seems to have a "fatherly" connection with the younger players. But Collins is the out and out "leader" and captain ...........
I strongly disagree
Based on what ????
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From givemefootball.com (http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/villa-starlet-hails-petrov-influence)
Marc Albrighton has lauded the impact of Stiliyan Petrov during Aston Villa's end of season revival.
Villa managed to transform themselves from relegation candidates to top 10 finishers with a run of 14 points in seven games, which Albrighton has attributed - in part - to his inspirational senior colleague.
"Stiliyan's return was massive," the 21-year-old winger told avfc.co.uk. "He brings a leadership to things and he brings a lot to the team in terms of performance and attitude too.
"The defensive side of the game is brilliant. He breaks up play and then plays it simple. He won't overcomplicate it.
"He will give it to the players like Ashley [Young] and Stewart [Downing] who will create things.
"He is a voice on the pitch too - he leads by example and makes himself heard on the field too.
"The lads respect that. He encourages you on the pitch and let's his feelings be known.
"But he leads by the way he plays too, always giving 100 per cent to the side in every game."
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From givemefootball.com (http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/villa-starlet-hails-petrov-influence)
Marc Albrighton has lauded the impact of Stiliyan Petrov during Aston Villa's end of season revival.
Villa managed to transform themselves from relegation candidates to top 10 finishers with a run of 14 points in seven games, which Albrighton has attributed - in part - to his inspirational senior colleague.
"Stiliyan's return was massive," the 21-year-old winger told avfc.co.uk. "He brings a leadership to things and he brings a lot to the team in terms of performance and attitude too.
"The defensive side of the game is brilliant. He breaks up play and then plays it simple. He won't overcomplicate it.
"He will give it to the players like Ashley [Young] and Stewart [Downing] who will create things.
"He is a voice on the pitch too - he leads by example and makes himself heard on the field too.
"The lads respect that. He encourages you on the pitch and let's his feelings be known.
"But he leads by the way he plays too, always giving 100 per cent to the side in every game."
You've been waiting 9 months to post that? Er, congratulations!
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We will never know what being a captain brings. Petrov may not "look" inspiring - but captains behave in different ways.
Put it this way - our last two captains who won trophies
Andy Townsend - when he joined under BFR he was a huge disappointment. He was then appointed captain and it made him. You could see him mentally and physically lift him and other players.
Kevin Richardson - was captain for quite possibly the best side Villa have had, including the title winning side. And yet was very quiet on and off the pitch. But if you hear people like BFR and Dwight Yorke speak (as well as Everton players of that era) they say he was the best captain they have ever had.
Petrov may not charge into referees like Gerard - and I think we have needed to replace him with better for 18 months now, but it is a co-incidence how we performed better when he returned from injury. I think he is a calming head that was needed when others were losing theirs.
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I wonder what the other 9 players think :)
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You've been waiting 9 months to post that? Er, congratulations!
More likely I didn't think it was worth starting a new thread for this relatively small news item - but I'm happy to accept your congratulations!
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You've been waiting 9 months to post that? Er, congratulations!
More likely I didn't think it was worth starting a new thread for this relatively small news item - but I'm happy to accept your congratulations!
I was astonished that you were able to remember a pretty minor thread from last september.
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I was astonished that you were able to remember a pretty minor thread from last september.
Sorry to shatter your sense of reality, but all of these threads are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.
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I think he is pretty good captain. Maybe if he loses his starting place next season, which is most likely to happen, Dunne can be our new captain on the pitch.
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I think he is pretty good captain. Maybe if he loses his starting place next season, which is most likely to happen, Dunne can be our new captain on the pitch.
Jesus, I hope not. Why replace one player on their way down with another one.
If we play three in midfield I would not be against Petrov keeping his place in the team. Where is lacking in mobility he makes up for in tactical awareness and decent passing.
I think he could effectively protect the back four allowing Delph and Makoun to buzz around higher up the pitch.
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I was astonished that you were able to remember a pretty minor thread from last september.
Sorry to shatter your sense of reality, but all of these threads are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.
To be fair, you're the one that brought it up again.
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To be fair, you're the one that brought it up again.
Sorry, I don't understand. Did you want me to start a new thread for this 'news item' or not?
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To be fair, you're the one that brought it up again.
Sorry, I don't understand. Did you want me to start a new thread for this 'news item' or not?
Ah, do what you like. I was ribbing you a bit for having a Rainman-like memory for threads and its all gone hideously wrong.