Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: garyshawsknee on September 11, 2010, 11:23:03 AM
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Not so much an exclusive as not too many people care what he says. He touches on Villa a bit,and says what alot of us believed to be true.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/11/marlon-harewood-blackpool-interview
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Another player not even given a chance by Martin.
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Crap as Marlon was he always tried. And 1 prem start in 3 seasons was not a fair crack by any stretch. Lets be honest there were times when he could have offered something to the team ahead of Heskey certainly, and at some points even Carew.
Again though, it was down to Martins selection policy. But it could be argued that playing our best players all the time got us as far as we did.
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Great story about signing for Blackpool but the best line has to be about his new business; "And it's gone a bit better than we expected because we've had to get VAT registered." What is it in the UK, 20k before you have to register?
Good luck to him.
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Another piece of evidence to support the theory many of us have been developing. Must have been a terrible place to work if you were not in the manager's plans.
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At least he a decent idea for his future business. Can't blame him if he is not enjoying football.
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Seems like a reasonably intelligent sort of guy as well, so to Have MON's total disregard towards him must have been infuriating in the extreme.
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Yep just adds to the ludicrous approach to squad harmony, M'ON took.
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Wow, his business has had to register for VAT! Ie it's made about two weeks of his Aston villa wages!
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Great story about signing for Blackpool but the best line has to be about his new business; "And it's gone a bit better than we expected because we've had to get VAT registered." What is it in the UK, 20k before you have to register?
Good luck to him.
70k.
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There were a few fringe players that I wished that MON had given more time on the pitch to. Marlon wasn't one of them.
I hope things turn out better for him up there.
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Well, he certainly played like a cricketer when he was here, but i always liked the guy for his effort and down to earth manner.
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Another piece of evidence to support the theory many of us have been developing. Must have been a terrible place to work if you were not in the manager's plans.
Oh dear what a fuckin' shame. I have no sympathy whatsoever if sidelined players were unhappy, it's tough. Yes, MON played favourites, but overall it worked given the year on year progress. Harewood, for all his effort was only ever a squad player and while the argument is valid that MON didn't utilise his squad to it's full extent I'm fed up of hearing about how unfair his treatment was to various players. A manager stands or falls on his team selection, it is his call and his call only and if the team prosper then marginalised players can hardly claim to deserve a place in the side.
The discontent within the squad under MON appears to revolve around those who failed to secure a first team place and although the atmosphere under Houllier will certainly be lighter and less intense, I'm sure those who aren't picked will once again be pissed off.
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But it could be argued that playing our best players all the time got us as far as we did.
And no further, which I think is the point.
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Another piece of evidence to support the theory many of us have been developing. Must have been a terrible place to work if you were not in the manager's plans.
It sounds like MON wasn't much for "team chemistry". Having guys on the bench who never play and perceive that they are "not getting a fair shake" can be poisonous for a so called "team".
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Oh dear what a fuckin' shame. I have no sympathy whatsoever if sidelined players were unhappy, it's tough. Yes, MON played favourites, but overall it worked given the year on year progress. Harewood, for all his effort was only ever a squad player and while the argument is valid that MON didn't utilise his squad to it's full extent I'm fed up of hearing about how unfair his treatment was to various players. A manager stands or falls on his team selection, it is his call and his call only and if the team prosper then marginalised players can hardly claim to deserve a place in the side.
We will never know whether using the squad more would have improved us, been much the same or made us less effective.
If things were really as bad as made out about the fringe players then it was no wonder MON didn't bring on many substitutes as they probably wouldn't have been in the right frame of mind.
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You could have named the team for the next four weeks, irrespective of results.
Says it all, really.
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I always liked the bloke.
I wish him all the best for the season.
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I only found out last week that he has a famous brother who is an actor - a Brummie who went to the same school as Ian Taylor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Harewood
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Couldn't fault his attitude and effort when he did play, especially in that one match at Anfield. He'll get a good reception from me when he returns with Blackpool.
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Wow, his business has had to register for VAT! Ie it's made about two weeks of his Aston villa wages!
No need to be such an accuntant about it ;)
Good on him for using his spare time, of which there was a lot, to get a little business going.
As for on the pitch, I think MON completely lost any faith he had in him (and he must have had some to spunk £4m on him) when he gave away the penalty at Spurs in the 4-4, which got their Lazarus-like comeback going. Less than 3 months after signing him sadly.
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Comes across as a nice enough bloke, but was never, ever going to be good enough for us. If only the manager had spotted that, we'd have saved ourselves 4 million pounds plus, what, 5m in wages over three years.
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Comes across as a nice enough bloke, but was never, ever going to be good enough for us. If only the manager had spotted that, we'd have saved ourselves 4 million pounds plus, what, 5m in wages over three years.
Correct. Let's really think about that for a minute, 9 million quid for one premiership start. Ivo Stas, eat yer heart out.
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i would rather harewood play than heskey...
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You could have named the team for the next four weeks, irrespective of results.
Says it all, really.
It does .. he knew it, the players knew it, the Supporters knew it and so did the bloody opposition.
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"But it wasn't like that at Villa. You could have named the team for the next four weeks, irrespective of results.""
thank the lord and his mrs that oniell has now gone if this is what it was like in the dressing room
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Thing is, if all your fringe players fillers feel like this you haven't really got a squad at all. For all MON's supposed tactical nouse and tabloid psychology, it sounds like he hamstrung himself by ending up in a vicious circle where regular players were complacent because they had no competition, but they couldn't be replaced because their backup's confidence was shot.
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Felt sorry for Marlon. MON is a nasty piece of work at times it seems to me. Ask Luke Young, NRC, Curtis and several others. Truth is, Randy gave him a decent squad after all his 'small squad' moans but he hadn't a clue how to rotate it resulting in fatigue at the end. Glad to see the back of MON! His exit timing still angers me now.
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I thought Harewood was a crap signing. Nothing he did in a Villa shirt apart from decent 2nd half performances against Newcastle and Liverpool did anything to change my mind.
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I only found out last week that he has a famous brother who is an actor - a Brummie who went to the same school as Ian Taylor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Harewood
Wow! He played Theseus in Welcome to Thebes.
If only he had played wine-addled Pentheus, then I'd have been mildly impressed.
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I think the only one who had a genuine complaint about not playing was Luke Young.
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He gave 100% but he was still shit!
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After the end of the last home game of last season, the players did their customary walk around the pitch. I don't think I'm mistaken in saying that I saw MON walk up to Harewood, pat him on the back and shake his hand, seemingly wishing him well. I don't think Martin held a grudge in Marlon's case, he just clearly didn't think he was up to it.
He can talk all he likes about how much he just wanted to play football, but talk is cheap when he could have pushed for a move much sooner and no doubt facilitated one by agreeing to the wages he's probably now on. But players like to draw their wages for the length of their contracts and then have their cake and eat it and complain about not being able to play too.
Good Luck to him, but I'd have been more impressed if he'd pushed for a move much sooner.
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Guy - I like the way you turn that back on Marlon. O'Neill bought him, paid over the odds for him, on a hefty salary, realised early on he wasn't up to him, but kept him anyway. There is only one person at fault here.
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I'll never forget this site when it looked as if he was going to The Blues.
'Ha ha what a shit player'
'I've sent a text to my Blues supporting mate to take the piss'
'Awful player'
When he signed for us, it was
'Well he got 14 goals in the Premier for West Ham, O'Neill has spotted a rough diamond here.'
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I'll never forget this site when it looked as if he was going to The Blues.
'Ha ha what a shit player'
'I've sent a text to my Blues supporting mate to take the piss'
'Awful player'
When he signed for us, it was
'Well he got 14 goals in the Premier for West Ham, O'Neill has spotted a rough diamond here.'
he could end up being are the new Peter Withe !
MON's pulled of a Masterstroke,
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I think the only one who had a genuine complaint about not playing was Luke Young.
And NRC
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Guy - I like the way you turn that back on Marlon. O'Neill bought him, paid over the odds for him, on a hefty salary, realised early on he wasn't up to him, but kept him anyway. There is only one person at fault here.
I never said I didn't think MON made a mistake signing him. He clearly did. I'm merely stating that I don't think it was a case of MON holding a grudge as I would agree seemed to be the case when it came to Luke Young (seemingly undeserved), Nicky Shorey (seemingly deserved) and Nigel Reo-Coker (still undecided).
If Marlon only wanted to play first-team football, there was a very simple way of achieving that a long time ago. Presumably for a large financial reason, he chose not to take it.